Pedro Martinez Rumors

Peetie is one of the best ever, but he looks done. The Yankees either need to grab an innings eater in a trade for Nady/Swisher...or they should grab Sheets and hope he stays healthy. His upside is superior...and he'd be a #4 with #1 potential.

CC, AJ, Wang, Sheets, Joba....with Hughes, Aceves and Kennedy in AAA ready and waiting.

Man this sucks for Pedro Martinez. His days in Boston were good but Mets are unlikely to sign him sounds bad. I wonder who's going to sign him if he doesn't go with the Mets?

Yankees... stay away from Pedro.

The Nats need pitching and may be one of the few teams able to guarantee him a rotation spot. Might be interesting to see if that plays out.

"Man this sucks for Pedro Martinez. His days in Boston were good but Mets are unlikely to sign him sounds bad. I wonder who's going to sign him if he doesn't go with the Mets?"

An AAA or independant league team until he proves he can pitch with the loss of 10+mph in velocity he now has successfully.

Why Paul Byrd is not being mentioned as a 5th starter and he stays healthy, eats innings and actually wins games, while finished starters like Martinez's name keeps getting bantered about is crazy.

i really would like to see the mets sign sheets where he is incentive based

thanks omar for not signing pedro or derek lowe... finally learned his lesson with these old future hof's in the twilight

Posted by: big jay | January 12, 2009 at 11:35 PM

pedro is a lock, lowe has no chance in of getting in any hall of fame unless they create one in beantown for great bar-hopping

Sheets and Pedro are risky signings. The Red Sox set the market for these types of pitchers when they got Penny and Smoltz on one year deals coming off injury plagued seasons. Cashman should offer the same to these guys.

Another downside to signing Sheets, Pedro, Penny and Smoltz is that their most recent body of work was done against NL teams. You see how different Randy Johnson's stats were in 2005 when he had to face a line with a DH.

I think he should sign with the Giants. This would give them Cy's Lincecum, Zito, Unit and Pedro.

"Sure it's harder pitching to lineups with a DH but the impact is small. Look at Blanton and Haren if you want to see pitchers whose ERAs went up after going to the NL."

Haren's FIP went down though. Dan Haren improved in every peripheral after going to the NL. The increase in ERA could be explained by the fact that Haren does get quite a few groundballs, and the Diamondbacks infield defense is inferior (Stephen Drew + Mark Reynolds) to the A's infield defense.

Blanton's ERA went down. He had an ERA of almost 5 with the A's in '08. I can't find FIP splits though. But, Blanton's tRA was higher in Philly than it was in Oakland though.

"You see how different Randy Johnson's stats were in 2005 when he had to face a line with a DH."

And he wasn't even old old. I feel a little bad for Smoltz now at such an old age, coming off surgery without his best stuff facing better hitters and no pitcher. His career was so good, it will be sad to see him put up lesser stats.

Haren's ERA+ the past 2 years:

137
138

Looks like he pretty much maintained the status quo in terms of being a well above-average SP.

Suprised Ned hasnt made a run at him with the Trash he's been picking up lately.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Cubs take a look at him. If they could get him (relatively) cheap on a 1-year deal, why not? He'd slot in nicely in that #5 spot, and they could use Sean Marshall to give him a rest every 4th start or so to try and keep him healthy.

Since Pedro will likely be one of the bargains of this offseason, is it really any surprise that Cleveland, Arizona, and Florida, 3 of the best run organizations in baseball are all in on him? Me thinks no.

''The guy is done and if he had any self-respect he'd give the Mets a minor league incentive-laden deal to make up for the fact that his last three years in New York were an unmitigated disaster.''

Obviously it would take a few million to get Pedro back to the Mets, but I think this is somewhat sitting in his mind when deciding where to sign. I seriously think he would take less money to come back to the Mets to finish his career off here and finish what he's started.

I still just can't fathom this team giving money to Tim Redding, a well-documented league-average pitcher that was pretty much out of the majors for three years before putting a SOLID 5 ERA up last season, over a future Hall of Famer that could perhaps restructure his pitching style to match his diminished velocity in Pedro Martinez.

If he's healthy next season, I really think he could continue his career. Maybe foolish thinking here, but I still disagree on the idea that he's finished.

"An AAA or independant league team until he proves he can pitch with the loss of 10+mph in velocity he now has successfully."

Right, because Pedro didn't strike out a batter per inning, post a 2.82 era and allow less then a baserunner per inning over 215 innings in 2005, with the same velocity he is throwing with currently. That certainly didn't happen.

Check out this piece on Pedro.

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/is-pedro-martinez-finished/

mets need to sign the following payers

1- ben sheets
2- pudge for one yr and in 2010 pik up victor martinez
3- get an outfielder, manny or abreu, or nady
4- pik up one more starter (sheets,ollie, or both if possible)

rotation

1-santana
2-sheets
3-perez
4-pelfrey
5-maine

or

1- santana
2- sheets/perez
3-pelfrey
4- maine
5- redding/niese(if we signed sheets)

lineup without manny or abreu or pudge

1- reyes ss
2- murphy 2b
3- wright 3b
4- delgado 1b
5- beltran cf
6- church rf
7- tatis lf
8- schnieder

with manny/ manny and pudge

1- reyes ss //// reyes ss
2- murphy 2b //// church rf
3- wright 3b //// wright 3b
4- manny lf //// manny lf
5- delgado 1b //// beltran cf
6- beltran cf //// delgado 1b
7- church rf //// pudge c
8- schnieder //// murphy 2b

with abreu / abreu and pudge

1- reyes ss //// reyes ss
2- abreu rf/lf //// abreu rf
3- wright 3b //// wright 3b
4- delgado 1b ////delgado 1b
5- beltran cf ////beltran cf
6- church lf/rf //// church lf
7- murphy 2b //// pudge c
8- schnieder c //// murphy 2b

bullpen :

CL - Krod/9th inning
SU- Putz/8th inning

MR-sanchez/7th inning
MR-feliciano/lefties
MR- Parnell/ situational
MR- Stoke/ situational

LR- niese/redding
LR-sean green/ carlos muniz

Wow, I'm shocked the Indians were seriously considering Pedro, especially at the $7 million level... Personally, I'd rather not have him at that price. $3 to $4 million, plus incentives seems fair.