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THURSDAY: The Cubs' three-year, $30MM deal with Bradley was finalized today.
TUESDAY: Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times says the deal could be announced Thursday. He adds:
His new contract is believed to contain language that protects the team on the back end of the deal if Bradley misses significant playing time on the front end.
MONDAY, 3:10pm: According to ESPN Radio's Bruce Levine, the Cubs signed Milton Bradley to a three-year, $30MM contract "with some options in the deal." Ken Rosenthal has a similar story, noting that the two sides have to "work through language issues."
Bradley, 31 in April, had a monster .321/.436/.563 line this year for the Rangers, but he spent only 165 innings in the field. This is the first multiyear deal of his career. If he stays healthy, the switch-hitter will give the Cubs balance in the middle of their order.
The Rangers will get a supplemental pick for their loss.
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*celebrating
Posted by: cubz23 | January 05, 2009 at 04:38 PM
I am....you know we're not done! We're in a small market....just because everytime we speak to a player you don't read about doesn't mean it's not happening...there are trades coming
Posted by: stlcards16 | January 05, 2009 at 04:39 PM
Toshiro,
Thanks for posting that article. I just threw up in my mouth.
Posted by: JDay | January 05, 2009 at 04:39 PM
""My point exactly--Beltre has been pretty good, not the monster that Seattle paid for."
According to Fangraphs, he has outplayed his contract.
Posted by: Aduncaroo |"
Some people will never ever learn, he has been outstanding in Seattle and worth every penny. He had a fluke '04 where fly balls he hit were leaving the park twice as often as they have throughout the rest of his career and people think because he doesnt hit 45 bombs he is a bust.
Milton Bradley will absolutely not repeat his '08 performance. but 100 games a year and he will earn his contract.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | January 05, 2009 at 04:39 PM
Bernie Brewer- i hope soriano stays at the 1 spot. Strikes out and chokes too much in hte clutch to be a run producer.
Posted by: bobby p | January 05, 2009 at 04:42 PM
"At least you have Derosa to fill in when he gets hurt.....ohhhh wait......"
No, we just took your best middle infielder from last year and made him our backup.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | January 05, 2009 at 04:43 PM
I agree with most everyone here, this is a terrible move by Hendry. No one has mentioned his splits from last year. In the homerdome called Arlington, Bradley hit .358, 16hr & 43rbi (.679 SLG) in 193 AB's. On the road he hit .290, 6 & 34 (.462 SLG) in 221 AB's. So the Cubs are going to maybe get .310, 15 hr's & 80 rbi's for 10 mil. Abreu seemed a far superior option...
Posted by: Cubman12 | January 05, 2009 at 04:43 PM
As a huge Dodger fan, I can honestly say that I enjoyed having Bradley in the lineup. The fans really liked him. He is the last outfielder that we had that ignited the crowd.
Of course, Manny is an exception.
When he controls his anger (also, the incident when he threw a bottle at a fan's feet, or when he pulled off his jersey in disgust are exceptions) he is a great player. Good signing for the Cubs, although 2-years with an option would have been the better choice. Give him a "Furcal-type" contract based on at-bats and games. I'm not sure if the Wrigley grass is going to be good for his knees.
Cubbies, just wait and see. No use saying it is a bad deal until the season starts. He is a lot better than Fuku anyway.
Posted by: TigerJDL | January 05, 2009 at 04:45 PM
"So the Cubs are going to maybe get .310, 15 hr's & 80 rbi's for 10 mil. Abreu seemed a far superior option..."
Isn't that worth 10M? Doesn't Abreu want 50% more $$$ and provide the same stat line?
Posted by: cubz23 | January 05, 2009 at 04:46 PM
"Now give me Jake Peavy, anytime before July 31st, and we might actually advance in the Playoffs."
Can there ever be a mention of anything Cubs without Peavy's name thrown in for good measure? My God.
Posted by: tolo316 | January 05, 2009 at 04:48 PM
The Cards def have some young talent to swing some trades. They have like 26 outfielders on the team. But during the season they will probably do was Larussa did behind the wheel....fall asleep.
Posted by: HenryRowengartner | January 05, 2009 at 04:49 PM
If any fans doubt his skills, check out clips of his swing. He has a long swing, but a lot of pop.
The Cubs fans won't let him forget his mistakes.
His former manager, Ron Washington, was quoted as saying that Bradley cares more about winning than any player out there. By joining a team in dire need for a title and fans that care more about baseball than breathing, that attitude just might work.
Posted by: TigerJDL | January 05, 2009 at 04:51 PM
No, because... Tomorrow there will be the announcement of the Marquis trade and by Friday it will be announced that Jake will be a Cub.
Posted by: Vaporized | January 05, 2009 at 04:53 PM
I hope Bradley reads all the criticism about him and proves most people wrong and has a stellar year. Maybe it will be enough motivation for him. Once again I hope.
Posted by: HenryRowengartner | January 05, 2009 at 04:54 PM
Bobby Abreu should get an award for being so underrated. Even if Bradley can play a capable right field (can he?), he's cracked 100 games all of three times in his career. Abreu would've been much better for them, even if he has less upside in terms of power.
Posted by: NYYanksCaptain23 | January 05, 2009 at 04:55 PM
We got weaker. We don't really have a bench at the moment, outside of Miles. We subtracted Wood and replaced him with Gregg. We sent a guy who could play anywhere and post good numbers to Cleveland for basically nothing. And we just signed a potential Godzilla to go with Zambrano's potential King Kong.
I don't know whether I hope Hendry's not done and will bring in one of the guys everyone's tired of hearing about, or whether I want him to stop before he comes up with another crazy idea.
Posted by: JDay | January 05, 2009 at 04:55 PM
CUBZ23!....ummm Abreu signed for 2 year 16 mil...I'm not that great at math but I don't think that's 50% more! and yes maybe near the same stat line last year but Bradley is no where near Abreu in career averages, health, or being a good clubhouse guy!
Posted by: stlcards16 | January 05, 2009 at 04:56 PM
Isn't that worth 10M? Doesn't Abreu want 50% more $$$ and provide the same stat line?
Not for a guy who played little to nothing in the outfield last year, a contract year. If Burrell took 2/$16, Abreu's price dropped too. Also, Abreu has averaged 156 g, .290, 17, 102 & 26 steals over the last 3 years while Bradley is this: 95 g, .302, 16, 56, & 7 swipes. For some reason Hendry always seems to gamble rather that take steady performance. I just don't get it!
Posted by: Cubman12 | January 05, 2009 at 04:58 PM
"CUBZ23!....ummm Abreu signed for 2 year 16 mil...I'm not that great at math but I don't think that's 50% more! and yes maybe near the same stat line last year but Bradley is no where near Abreu in career averages, health, or being a good clubhouse guy!"
You are not good at math or current events
Posted by: cubz23 | January 05, 2009 at 04:59 PM
"So the Cubs are going to maybe get .310, 15 hr's & 80 rbi's for 10 mil."
Please people, stop quoting RBIs as evidence for anything either way...it makes me mad I took the time to read your post.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | January 05, 2009 at 05:00 PM
"For some reason Hendry always seems to gamble rather that take steady performance. I just don't get it!"
He has had his good moments - DeRosa, Dempster, Lilly
Posted by: cubz23 | January 05, 2009 at 05:02 PM
what is off?
Posted by: stlcards16 | January 05, 2009 at 05:02 PM
cubman had the stats...u read em and figure it out...gotta go
Posted by: stlcards16 | January 05, 2009 at 05:04 PM
Abreu signed 2yr/16 mil. thats weird that he got the same deal as Burrell did. You better let Tim know that Abreu signed..somewhere
Posted by: HenryRowengartner | January 05, 2009 at 05:05 PM
"So the Cubs are going to maybe get .310, 15 hr's & 80 rbi's for 10 mil."
It's a whole lot better than Andruw Jones' contract - 2/yr 36 million. We got only 3 HRS and 23 RBI's out of Jones last semester for 15 million!
Posted by: TigerJDL | January 05, 2009 at 05:10 PM
I dunno. Yes I know they needed that LH bat, but 3/$30 mil? I keep hearing IF Bradley can stay healthy.... but look hes been in the league what 7-8 years already. When you are injury prone, you are injury prone. Cubs fans,above all, know this well. Does anyone expect this guy to not hit the DL? And im hearing from fans, "he can platoon". Guys Bradley is not platooning. You cant have two guys(Bradley,Fukudome) making big money and platooning, one of them is going to have to be a full timer. Bradley will be the full time RF'er....until he gets hurt.
Posted by: forlife61 | January 05, 2009 at 05:15 PM
This deal really does make sense. As many have said Abreu would cost more and put up about the same numbers and if Bradley does get hurt it will give them a chance to let some of the many other outfielders they seem to have on roster right now some playing time. As many have said, Soriano should play most of the season, Johnson deserves a shot to play everyday but obviously does fine in a platoon role, Fukudome will be given the chance to bounce back and now you add in a guy that will put up great numbers but might only play 3/4 of the season. So what! This sounds like a winning combination to me. Oh and about his lack of RBI's; Doesn't anybody realize that having this lineup around him is going to seriously change that stat line? They'll just sub him out in the late innings for defense when he isn't due to get another meaningful AB the rest of the game anyway.
Posted by: jmancubsfan | January 05, 2009 at 05:18 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
3/30HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
165 innings in the field
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA22.5 million for a RF platoon!HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Could've had Manny...Abreu...Dunn
Fukodome took less money to play RF in Wrigley...he sux...this guy is brutal in the field and won't stay healthy and will be a head case HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAH
CUBS FANS ARE GONNA WAIT ANOTHER 100!!!!!!!!!!HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAA
Posted by: rfro | January 05, 2009 at 05:21 PM
Well at least the cubs will be more interesting this year with Milton Bradley. Assuming the cubs are done (and please dont start with the Peavy stuff, it aint happening) Is this Cubs team with Gregg, Miles and Bradley better then the one with DeRosa, Wood and Edmonds? I guess we will wait and see. They should still win the NL Central cause the NL Central sucks and will be even worse this year with the Brewers going back to being the Brewers again.
Posted by: chiefwahoo | January 05, 2009 at 05:21 PM
IF the Reds had a real manager, they could probably really challenge the Cubs in 2009.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 05, 2009 at 05:25 PM
miles
theriot
lee
aram
sori
bradley
soto
fuk
gotta like it
Posted by: matt | January 05, 2009 at 05:27 PM
Derosa/Miles,Ceda/Gregg,Bradley,Wood...Your 2009 Chicago Cubs...Suck!Hendry rules!I think St Louis just got Peavy
Posted by: rfro | January 05, 2009 at 05:29 PM
Bradley is going to make more than Burrell because Bradley is playing the field also. Hes the only RF option left that offers decent defense and the cubs payed for it. Im sure hes only going to play 120 games this season, and i bet Lou gives him a lot of day after night games off. All we really need from him is a big september and october. I dont think the cubs are the best in the NL yet (depending on which SP they add) but the team should be good enough to get to the playoffs. I see this deal a lot like Tex to the angels last year. Its not about getting the the playoffs, its about making a move to get you somewhere in the playoffs. If he plays 150 games and isnt healthy in october its a bad move. If he plays 50 games and bats .350 in the playoffs its a great move.
Posted by: chicubs25 | January 05, 2009 at 05:31 PM
And to whoever said the cardinals are in a small market- 100 million payroll isnt a small market. The Cards have money, and they spend it well for the most part. They would be smart to get Orlando Hudson and maybe Oliver Perez. After that if Ludwick can produce a similar year and they should compete all year.
Posted by: chicubs25 | January 05, 2009 at 05:34 PM
rfro nicely done! I am guessing by the sentence structure - a cardinal fan? Better turn the computer off before mommy catches you.
Why does everybody keep saying Bradley & Fuko will platoon?
Posted by: cubz23 | January 05, 2009 at 05:36 PM
marshall is not an option as fifth starter i would rather bring back jon lieber or sign pedro
Posted by: matt | January 05, 2009 at 05:37 PM
Melonis,
I was at the red/cub game last year where Dusty still had Volquez on the mound with a 9 run lead at 120 pitches. Ouch!
Posted by: cubz23 | January 05, 2009 at 05:39 PM
There's a lot of "if he stays healthy" going on. And I hope he does, but no wagers coming from me ( I had him in roto in 07).
But it's not just the injury thing. It's, well, let Milton 'splain:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/08/05/SP3CRD9EQ2.DTL
Posted by: toshiro | January 05, 2009 at 05:44 PM
And a 1st round pick!...OMG ROFL!!!165 innings a year over three years is over half a mil an inning to play bad defense...the bargain is you get a headcase that wil be there all year...didn't need Edmonds, Nah!
Posted by: rfro | January 05, 2009 at 05:45 PM
Miles is a bench player for us this year. Fontenot will be starting at 2nd unless he is traded.
Posted by: uww1 | January 05, 2009 at 05:47 PM
half a mil a game not inning
Posted by: rfro | January 05, 2009 at 05:48 PM
With Willy Taveras playing CF, Jerry Hairston Jr probably playing LF, Alex Gonzalez playing SS and a different Manager, the Reds MIGHT be a .500 team.
With Willy T playing CF and leading off, JHJ playing NO MATTER WHAT, A Gon at SS and Toothpick Baker as Manager (making numerous double switches because Weathers is old and will be ineffective and Rhodes can only Pitch to Left Handed batters; keeping Volquez and Cueto in Games much longer than he was allowed to do last season thus pushing up their Pitch Counts and Innings Pitched to dangerous levels) the Reds will be lucky to not lose 100 Games and be lucky to not finish in last place in 2009.
Posted by: ctownboy | January 05, 2009 at 05:52 PM
miles should be lo hitter
Posted by: matt | January 05, 2009 at 05:52 PM
Marshall would be a #4 starter on most teams so don't know what your problem is with him.
Bradley has been worth $10M or more in 5 of his past 6 seasons and is simply better than Burrell so not sure what the bad deal comments are about.
He is close to as good a hitter as Burrell and a much better fielder. I doubt his ability to stay healthy playing in the field every day though so by playoff time he probably isn't helping the Cubs much.
Posted by: Ender | January 05, 2009 at 05:54 PM
marshall sucks he is not a proven starter let alone 4th he cant even get past 5th inn better off signin lieber back or pedro
Posted by: matt | January 05, 2009 at 05:57 PM
cubz23,
THAT is a point a LOT of fans don't seem to understand. Throwing a lot of Innings isn't bad if the number of Pitches per Inning isn't too high. However, when a Manager allows a Pitcher to stay in Games where they have high Pitch counts and they do this on a normal basis, the Pitchers get worn out and either injured because of this or they get injured because they are tired and change their mechanics.
I remember looking at the stats pf one of the Pitchers on the Giants when Baker was Manager (I can't remember his name right now).
Anyway, one year Baker allowed that Pitcher to have three straight starts where he went only 4 Innings in each start but his Pitch count was over 90 in each of those Games. So, while most Pitchers throw that many Pitches in 6 (or more) Innings, Baker allowed this poor guy to do it in only 4 Innings and do it in three straight starts.
What I am REALLY worried about is how Baker handles Volquez and Cueto in 2009.
In 2008, Baker had his hands tied. This was because he was TOLD to keep both Volquez and Cueto's Innings under 190 for the season. Now, however, with each of them having one full year in the Majors as starting Pitchers under their respective belts, I am afriad Baker is going to be allowed to have free reign over these two and he is going to misuse and abuse them and wear them out just like he did with Aaron Harang last year.
Posted by: ctownboy | January 05, 2009 at 06:05 PM
Baker has that reputation. Whats Mark Prior doing these days?
Posted by: HenryRowengartner | January 05, 2009 at 06:10 PM
Henry,
I imagine he and Neifi Perez are sitting by the phone, anxiously awaiting Toothpick to call......
Posted by: ctownboy | January 05, 2009 at 06:34 PM
Cubs should unload all the junk they have to get Roberts.
Cedeno
Pie
ect.
Hey is Les Walrond still on the team? Maybe we can get a Granny Smith apple for him.
Posted by: BLEEDINGCUBBIEBLUE | January 05, 2009 at 06:38 PM
The way I look at it is this: If you just switch the RF/2b situation from last year, it all makes sense. Bradley replaces DeRosa's production and Fontenot replaces Fukudome's production. The CF platoon of Fukudome and Johnson should be as productive as last year's CF platoon. So what you get is basically the same type of production from the lineup that you got last year (which led the league in runs) but with much better lefty/righty balance. Then add that you've got good speed off the bench with Gathright and Miles -- someithing we lacked last year (while understanding how much Piniella values speed) -- you start to see how the pieces fit. They're tailoring this team for Piniella. AND we've got Harden and Smardzija for a whole year....well, despite the gripes, I'm thinking that the Cubs will be just fine.
Posted by: crunchy1 | January 05, 2009 at 06:41 PM
I don't like this deal for the Cubs. They should have went with Dunn or Abreu. I think it's going to bite them in the end.
Posted by: Agent | January 05, 2009 at 06:44 PM
"I think St Louis just got Peavy
Posted by: rfro | January 05, 2009 at 05:29 PM "
Yeah.. Rasmus,Chris Perez, and Anderson is a start.. no way they get him.
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | January 05, 2009 at 06:46 PM
Matt you are a moron if you want to bring lieber back or pedro. Neither are better than Marshall at this point. I would gladly Take a rotaion of.
Zambrano,lilly,dempster,harden,marshall over guaranteed injury pedro or going to get shelled lieber.
Posted by: ptk420biatch | January 05, 2009 at 06:53 PM
"I don't like this signing one bit I would of preferred Adam Dunn, plus they should of got Bradley cheaper since Burrell signed for 8 million a year."
Completely agree. Dunn would have been SICK!! Who cares about his defense, his bat would more than make up for any deficiencies in that department.
Also, I don't give a rats ass about Bradley's supposed attitude problems. It's his ability to injure himself early and often that bugs me. I am truly disappointed in Jim on this one. Normally I'm the first one on the Hendry bandwagon, but you let us down this time. It looks like a signing that was made to appease the less knowledgeable fans out there and get some asses in the seats, so to speak.
Anywho, if Milton stays healthy and plays 150 FULL games in each of the next three years, I'll tip my hat to the Cubs. Anything less than 140 games per year is an epic fail, IMO.
Posted by: XCal1bur | January 05, 2009 at 06:56 PM
Marshall behind those 4 guys will do fine. 15-20 wins, doubt it. But hes a 5th starter. no one expects that. And hes maturing more and more each year. He'll be fine.
Posted by: HenryRowengartner | January 05, 2009 at 06:57 PM
i, for one, am delighted that the mouth-breathing web-tards have come out in full force to spew the over-abundant cub-hate. thanx for coming by fellas, you make the internet go round. just try not to get too much drool on your keyboard so it malfunctions. my days go by much quicker when i can read the incoherent ramblings of the simple-minded. laughter is a great time-waster...
Posted by: 100backeduptrucks | January 05, 2009 at 06:58 PM
The pros and cons of Milton Bradley:
PROS
-Pretty decent OBP guy-- lifetime .370 OBP, but he's been over .400 the last two seasons. You'll probably get a .400 OBP out of him.
-Meltdowns will be entertaining.
CONS
-Attitude problems. There's a good reason why the Cubs are his seventh team.
-Injury prone.
-"Most similar hitters list" is populated by guys like Ivan Calderon, Carl Everett, Troy O'Leary and Ellis Valentine.
-Butcher in the outfield.
-.321/.436/.563 line from 2008 is severely distorted because of absurd home/road split.
I'm guessing that Board Game won't be worth the $30M. If he's hurt a lot and Fuku continues to suck, the Cubbie outfield could become a real headache.
Posted by: JK47 | January 05, 2009 at 07:01 PM
Reed Johnson has a career line of .268/.327/.385/.712 vs righties which is pretty terrible. Don't see why the Cubs would want to start him full time.
Posted by: Ender | January 05, 2009 at 07:03 PM
The last 2 years Marshall has put up phenominal numbers, posting an ERA+ of 119 in 2007 and 116 in 2008. If he put up those numbers as a #5, he'd be hands down the best in the league.
Posted by: Bdlugz | January 05, 2009 at 07:08 PM
Ender, the Cubs arent starting him full time, he's going to platoon with Fuku. I don't see why people are having a difficult time understanding this. It's Fukudome/Johnson, not Bradley/Fukudome. Fukudome will just cover games in right for when Bradley needs a rest (read: hurt). We don't need Bradley to play 150 games. Let's get him 120 games in the field, keep him healthy for the playoffs and see what we can do.
Posted by: Bdlugz | January 05, 2009 at 07:10 PM
I would argue with anyone who labels Bradley a "problem." IMO he is the most misunderstood player in the game today. As a Padre fan I had the pleasure of watching him take the field and absolutely bust his ass every single day for about a half-season. Nobody plays harder, and NOBODY wants to win more than this guy, I promise you. Yes, I wish he'd tone it down sometimes, but maybe his makeup is what gives him his edge. Seriously, Milton Bradley is one of my favorite players ever.
Also, I know not everyone wants to read this, but if he were white he'd be labeled a "gamer." Because he's black, it somehow makes him "angry." I don't think there is a better example today of racism still being alive in the world of baseball.
He also consistently gives a team some of the most quality at bats you'll see. A very, very talented hitter. And contrary to what JK47 writes, he is a plus defensive player as well.
Now I'll agree that they probably gave him a year too many, and he would probably be better served on an AL club because of injury concerns. But when he is on the field Cub fans will learn to absolutely love the guy.
Posted by: CptTopOff | January 05, 2009 at 07:20 PM
He is basically a younger Moises Alou, a good hitter but just gets hurt all the time.
Posted by: tinski | January 05, 2009 at 07:25 PM
marshall sucks is not a proven starter can only go 5 inn we need someone who can go longer like samardja or lieber or marshall isnt even good to be 5th starter on royals
Posted by: matt | January 05, 2009 at 07:40 PM
Everyone on here keeps saying if he stays healthy, and I have to agree i think its scary too. But dont you think Hendry hired the best doctors in the world to come in and check him out before investing 30 million into a guy? This could turn into a very exciting lineup.
Posted by: cubz1life2nd | January 05, 2009 at 07:47 PM
"This could turn into a very exciting lineup."
Agreed. It will be exciting, but inconsistent. Fonzie is likely to miss another month with a nagging injury at some point, he has the first two years at Wrigley. Bradley is guaranteed to miss some time eventually. Mainly because he plays in fifth gear all the time. He's liable to kill himself on the bricks going for a deep fly. Love the guy's ability and the fire in his gut, don't love the injuries and lost time.
As for getting the best doctors in the world to check him out, that will only tell you if he's healthy enough to play today. I'm sure he is. I'm healthy enough to play today. However, if I run into the ivy at fifteen miles per hour, I won't be that way for long. . .OUCH!
Posted by: XCal1bur | January 05, 2009 at 08:06 PM
Can we please stop with the completely biased opinions of Marshall? Look up stats before you spew opinions, it makes you look like you are knowledable. I also like, Matt, how you say we need someone who can go longer, like Samardzija, who has not started in the majors yet...
Posted by: Bdlugz | January 05, 2009 at 08:07 PM
if my math and memory is correct, the cubs have spent about 200 million dollars on their outfield the past three offseasons, and all three were overpayed and dont have much to show for it
Posted by: Chris | January 05, 2009 at 08:38 PM
marshall needs to be in the bullpen as a lefty long relief guy. hill, cedeno, pie, these three guys for derosa need to be traded
Posted by: domenic | January 05, 2009 at 08:47 PM
marshall as lefty long reliever and thats the end of it. he belongs in the pen in case one of our starters gets rocked early he can go 4 innings if needed
Posted by: domenic | January 05, 2009 at 08:55 PM
Could their had been of deal that could of sent Jhonny Peralta for DeRosa.
Posted by: BLEEDINGCUBBIEBLUE | January 05, 2009 at 09:20 PM
cubz23 is so ignorant. He sugar coats the cubs like lame duck news stations do politicians.
Posted by: IFiredScottBoras | January 05, 2009 at 09:26 PM
There are some people on here competing for idiot of the year.
Lieber? The guy that gives up 9 runs a game? Thats who you want in the rotation in front of Marshall, who would be most team's #4?
"if my math and memory is correct, the cubs have spent about 200 million dollars on their outfield the past three offseasons, and all three were overpayed and dont have much to show for it"
Man, are you serious?
Worth/Made
Soriano
07- 18/14
08- 12.3/14
Fukudome
08 - 9.0/7.0
Edmonds
08 - 5.6/ League Minimum!
Johnson
08 - 5.6/ League Minimum!
Oh, and yes, thats right people. Fukudome was actually worth 9 mil last year, and he wasn't paid that much. He outplayed his contract! That isn't going to sit well with all the Cubs bashers here though, is it?
Posted by: Aduncaroo | January 05, 2009 at 09:34 PM
Geez...lots of cubbie bashers. Lets start with the Aaron Miles and Derosa signings and trade. The Cubs are always wanting more pitching, so trading Derosa for 3 minor league pitchers isnt surprising. They had to make room for the money, and they had a surplus of infielders, so why not trade a guy who doesnt have a position, isnt comfortable being a utility guy, and doesnt want to be a backup. We signed Miles to be a backup, and that is what he knows he will be doing. Happiness sometimes makes players better. Plus, Derosa doesnt exactly have a history that supports last year's production, so to expect another year of that is ridiculous.
The Bradley signing. Good move considering what is available. If he can give us 120 good games in RF...then Fukudome can give us 40 in RF and possibly another 80+ in CF. Personally, I love Bradley's leadership, emotion (Remember Shawon Dunston?), and OBP.
I see the Cubs having a lineup like this:
Fukudome
Bradley
DLee
ARam
Soriano
Soto
Fontenot
Theriot
That lineup on a daily basis will easily get us into the playoffs....and who knows from there :)
And for the fans talking about money...Who Cares??? Its not our money, so I dont care how much they are getting paid. Just give me the best team possible...and Jim Hendry has done that.
Last note: Marshall is not gonna be our number 5 guy. It will either be Samardja or a trade will happen at some point. Since Pie is out of options and has no position currently...I can easily see him and Cedeno as trade bait before Spring Training. Throw Marshall into the mix, and a trade is likely to net us a 5th starter easily.
Posted by: namesake49 | January 05, 2009 at 09:42 PM
i just wanna know where you get those worth/made stats from?
Posted by: domenic | January 05, 2009 at 09:50 PM
I wouldn't call Bradley's antics leadership but more of the fact that the guy is mentally and emotionally unstable. Thats just me though.
Posted by: ChiSox723 | January 05, 2009 at 09:58 PM
You're right ChiSox...its not leadership in the way of Ryne Sandberg, but its his ability to fire the team up that I want the Cubs to have. Thats an important aspect of a playoff team...and something the Cubs have lacked for several years. One of the reasons why we lose so quickly in the playoffs lately.
I still remember Shawon Dunston knocking a player's helmet off after a hard slide into 2nd base...and then pointing a finger in the guy's face assumably (is that a word?) cussing the guy out. Thats the kind of leadership Bradley will bring to the Cubs ;)
Posted by: namesake49 | January 05, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Yeah, that worth/made thing is complete bs. Fukudome had like a .175 average in the second half. Definitely not worth 4 yrs 45 million...
Posted by: ChiSox723 | January 05, 2009 at 10:13 PM
rich hill instead of marshall.he is out of options and is suckin it up right now.pie,cedeno,hill plus whatever minor leaguers it takes to get peavy.i like the signing of bradley.i would have preferred dunns bat.but bradley has been dhing for most of last year,so im sure his knee is 100% healthy.140 games in right,hands down.hendry is a top 5 GM.I HATE WHEN PEOPLE BASH HIM.he knows what hes doing,and marshall although i like him,will not be the 5th starter.they will acquire a staring pitcher.
Posted by: cubbie75 | January 05, 2009 at 10:13 PM
starting pitcher
Posted by: cubbie75 | January 05, 2009 at 10:15 PM
all i know is that the cubs now have way too much in the way of players and need to get rid of them. cedeno, hill, pie, 3 prospects for derosa, and possibly vizcaino can all be trade bate for better players. i.e. peavy or roberts
Posted by: domenic | January 05, 2009 at 10:28 PM
dont forget angel guzman also
Posted by: matt | January 05, 2009 at 10:49 PM
cubz23 is so ignorant. He sugar coats the cubs like lame duck news stations do politicians.
?? can i get an example Boras. I defy you to dig up a post where i have been overly optomistic about the cubs- i am probably the most pessimistic cubs fan i know.
Posted by: cubz23 | January 05, 2009 at 10:50 PM
also roosevelt colvin u can trade too
Posted by: matt | January 05, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Mark my words, Peavy will be wearing a Chicago Cubs uniform by opening day! They are going to send so pitching prospect out to San Diego... I never thought about Rich Hill, he seemed MLB ready, until his melt down... Poor Richie!
Posted by: Corey Kelch | January 05, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Shoot...I completely forgot about Rich Hill...as I assume most other teams have too lol.
I dont see the Cubs making a trade for Roberts because they just got rid of a big infielder's salary with the Derosa trade. But I do think Hendry has a starting pitcher in mind...Peavy or a young starter from the Orioles...they would be a better fit for Pie and Cedano than the Padres imho. Pie, Cedano, Hill, and Marshall for Garrett Olsen? Or Matt Albers?
Posted by: namesake49 | January 05, 2009 at 10:53 PM
send angel guzman also
Posted by: matt | January 05, 2009 at 10:56 PM
"i just wanna know where you get those worth/made stats from?"
"Yeah, that worth/made thing is complete bs. Fukudome had like a .175 average in the second half. Definitely not worth 4 yrs 45 million..."
Hate to break it to you, but its on Fangraphs.com...a very, very respected site in the stat community. Take a look at the bottom of each player's page...it gives you what they were worth, and what they made.
You really think I just made that up? Come on.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | January 06, 2009 at 01:05 PM
And please keep Angel Guzman. I love that guy.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | January 06, 2009 at 01:05 PM
namesake,
That lineup won't work. The point of getting Bradley was to split up the right handers, not put them all together in the middle. Here is my lineup:
1) Soriano
2) Fontenot
3) Lee
4) Ramirez
5) Bradley
6) Soto
7) Fukudome
8) Theriot
9) Z
Posted by: Aduncaroo | January 06, 2009 at 01:09 PM
That line up looks like something Lou might do. He tweaks his line ups, that's for sure. With all of the Bradley talk, Fukudome is a big key this year.
Posted by: studio179 | January 06, 2009 at 01:35 PM
I think the lineup should be
Soriano
Theriot
Lee
Bradley
Ramirez
Soto
Fontenot
Fukudome
Ramirez has stated in the past he prefers the 5 hole.
Posted by: ptk420biatch | January 06, 2009 at 04:33 PM
I Think this lineup is the best first off because lee doesn't belong in the 3 spot and also to split up righty's
Lineup:
1)Soriano
2)Fontonot
3)A-Ram
4)Bradley
5)Lee
6)Soto
7)Johnson/fuc-U-do-me
8)Theriot
9)Z
....7)Put fukudome in with lefys unless he starts suckin a** then just keep Reed in
Also we need Roberts more than peavy easily and that changes the lineup a lot then!
Posted by: matt | January 06, 2009 at 08:17 PM
How about this:
Soriano
Fukudome
Ramirez
Bradley
Lee
Soto
Fontenot
Theriot
I would love for Fukudome to be worth his $12 mil...I think he could do it and would be great for the #2 hole.
Posted by: uww1 | January 08, 2009 at 02:28 PM
This is a huge gamble from the Cub's side.
Posted by: DominicanYanks | January 08, 2009 at 02:29 PM
Maybe but its also a huge upside too
Posted by: uww1 | January 08, 2009 at 02:30 PM
If they have language protecting themselves against injuries, I don't see how this can be a bad signing. I'm glad we finally have someone on our team to whom losing is not an option. He expresses it in ... odd ways, but he has fire.
Posted by: Bdlugz | January 08, 2009 at 02:44 PM
Has anyone else thought about the possibiliy of Fuku as a leadoff hitter? He has good speed, takes a lot of pitches (which is a huge asset for a leadoff hitter and something you really can't teach) and has a high OBP potential, obviously you would toy with it in spring training to see if it could work but I think it is at least an idea to toss around.
With that said:
Fukudome
Lee
Bradley
Ramirez
Soriano
Soto
Fontenot
Theriot
Lee is slowly but surely proving that he's a 2 hitter, not a 3 (I know he can't bunt but is it really that important for a 2 guy to bunt, if he's a great hitter and can get on base anyway he doesn't need to be able to bunt), Ramirez has proven he should be 4, i think soriano can fit well in 5 (if he whines just tell him that he's basically leading off everytime A-Ram homers).
Posted by: weeha004 | January 08, 2009 at 02:52 PM
weeha
I think a Fukudome/Johnson lead-off platoon has some promise. After watching what this team has done in the playoff the last two years, I am convinced the Cubs will not win until Soriano is moved from the lead-off spot. Runs are at a premium in the playoffs and you can't afford your leadoff guy swinging at 3 pitches every time. In my opinion Soriano should be in the 6 spot.
Fuk/Johnson
Riot
ARam
Bradley
Lee
Soriano
Fontenot
Soto
This makes it a very deep & balanced lineup & will force other maangers to actually manage a bit. Not a easy out 1-8. In the playoff the last 2 years, the other did not have to even consider using a top reliever for one batter, double switching etc.
Posted by: harry_carey_lives | January 08, 2009 at 03:18 PM
Has anyone else realized that it seems like both Chicago teams are seemingly ran by their managers now?
Look at the Cubs' moves: Add Gathright, Miles, Bradley, all guys that Lou liked. They've basically ruined Felix Pie, thanks to Lou.
The White Sox dealt Swish and Vazquez quite quickly, and those are the two guys Ozzie had issues with.
I mean, listen, I love both Lou and Ozzie.
But you shouldnt adjust your perception of the value of players because of the opinion of your manager. You'll end up dealing players for less than they're worth.
Posted by: scribbletone | January 08, 2009 at 03:21 PM
Maybe the managers do run the show but with the Cubs 2 striaght playoff appearances 0 wins & 12 runs. Changes had to be made!! If anyoine thought that if the Cubs brought back the same team the woudl suddenly find "it" you are dreaming. Not saying I exactly like the changes but you had to do something
Posted by: harry_carey_lives | January 08, 2009 at 03:26 PM