Reds Rumors: Swisher, Nady, Baldelli

just keep bronson arroyo out of brian cashman's brain and we can talk.

I say Nady for Homer Bailey straightup, go sign Adam Dunn to a contract around the same terms as Pat Burrell, done deal

i think arroyo has to be in the deal for cashman

"i think arroyo has to be in the deal for cashman"

Then that deal wont get made..

Swisher as of 08 is worth maybe one decent prospect and a bullpen arm.

Nady + what = Harang?

"Nady + what = Harang?"

Hughes

I'd trade Arroyo for Swisher no problem.

Or I'd trade Homer Bailey plus a middling prospect for Swish.

Arroyo for Nady? Pass.

If the Reds could get Swisher for Maloney and Henry I would laugh, and laugh some more. That would be a total steal. I think it would take more than that.

The yankees should trade nady for jonathon sanchez and end this talk

nady hughes kennedy aceves and whoever else they want from the farm for jay bruce haha

"Unless the Yankees are willing to give up some serious young talent (Joba and Jackson along with Swisher) I wouldn't deal Harang."

Are you joking? God I hope so.

I love how people on both sides overvalue their players.

Any Reds trades for Joba are pure fantasy. Just like any Yankees trades for Bruce are pure fantasy. Neither will happen.

The Yankees stole Swisher from the White Sox. I don't think they're going to let anyone steal him from them.

I still think an Arroyo-Swisher deal could be fair.....or Bailey plus a minor leaguer or two for Swisher could work.

PaulyOH I was joking around when I was talking about Bruce. Which is why I said Nady Hughes Kennedy Aceves and whoever else the Reds want. Certain players are untouchable....Bruce and Joba are 2 of them. Not because they are the best players in the game yet, but because they have the potential to become some of the best and because they are homegrown and give the fans something homegrown to get excited about. Who is the better SP...CC or Joba? CC. And who would I want if I had to make a choice between the two? Joba.

Hearing Joba mentioned in a trade proposal usually gets a few blank stares, but what really makes me question the seriousness of that proposal is that Swisher and Jackson were also added.

Age is insignificant for pitchers???

3.50 ERA in the NL becomes 4.50 ERA in the AL. He hasnt proven anything to me.

Wait hang on, I think Sandy Koufax is available.

.219 batting average. Oh. Yes. Batting average is so important...

Even with that .219 batting average in a fluky bad season, Swisher had a higher OBP (.332) than the piece of trash the Reds signed (Taveras) to be their lead-off hitter.

Previous two seasons, Swish hit .254 and .262, and he walks a ton, hits for power, is a switch-hitter, and plays solid outfield defense.

Yankees absolutely stole him.

Swisher had a down year, every year before he was improving. .260, 30hr, 80walks isnt unreasonable- depending on playing time.

Why would the Reds give up guys for Nady/Swisher? Signing Wigginton and moving Edwin to LF would be better option

"Swisher is atrocious with RISP, Nady is a .300 hitter."

dude seriously? .300 for nady? you're dreaming. how was '05 swishers best year? it was his worst year

Yankees dont want Bailey. They dont want prospects or young arms, they want proven MLB talent. specifically a CF who can hit and play defense, got any of those available?

Nady also rarely walks and is coming off a career year, which was also the first time he's been healthy. Also, a switch-hitter is preferable to a right-handed hitter.

You can't call a guy a .300 hitter because he did it ONCE.

That said, I might do Bailey for Nady. I'd much rather have Swisher, but Nady is OK if the price is right.

Noggy....Dickerson is not a good hitter. He just was on a hot streak when he got called up. He strikes out a ton and chases pitches out of the zone which is why he got his first shot at age 26. His minor league numbers are nothing special and just got hot at the right time. The Reds are even confident he can play at any level at which he showed for a month last year for a full season which is why they are trying to find another outfielder.

"or Devin Mesoraco and Drew Stubbs for Nady"

that's a no too. didnt i say proven? we already have a speed cf coming from AAA in Gardner. And although Mesoraco seems like a good prospect, he wouldnt see the Bronx for probably 4 years, and we need a catcher to replace posada before then

Wilson Betemit, Jeff Marquez & Jhonny Nunez for Swisher was nothing. Betemit is what a bench player? Marquez is a low K guy but doesnt have great GB skills, Nunez was acquired for a back up SS.

Ozzie Guillen hated Swisher, thats why they traded him. Yankees have no reason to move Swisher. Matsui, Damon, Nady are all free agents after this year.

"Nady's average with RISP....which is above .300 and usually is every year of his career."

Nady career RISP .265

The Yanks got Swisher for cheaper than they would have if the Sox waited it out. Its understandable since nobody thought there would be a market for Swisher considering there are so many free agents available through free agency. Nobody wants to commit the money for big multi year deals right now though so Swisher is more attractive now. The Sox were desperate to get rid of Swisher though and did not want to risk the market for him weakening so jumped at the first decent offer.

You know how they say teams overplay their hands sometimes? Well this was a case of the Sox UNDERplaying their hand.

yanks 09

Wonder if the yanks can make a deal with:

E. Volquez or J. Cueto

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yanks 09

1. C. Sabathia
2. A. Burnett
3. C. Wang
4. E. Volquez/J. Cueto
5. J. Chamberlain

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"Zach you have no idea what you talking about.The Yankees dont need to trade Nady or Swisher,but there looking to drop salary too add a 5th starter.since Andy is playing hardball"

Drop salary?!?! AHAHAHA, yeah that 400m spending spree really shows they're looking to cut salary.

And I said they dont need to make a deal, the only deal they would take is for a CF

The Yankees do not need to trade Swisher and Nady, and I don't expect them to. In case everyone forget, its a fairly good possibility that Matsui and/or Damon can break down along the year again. What do you do then? Too much depth is never a bad thing and unless someone offers a great package I see both Nady and Swisher in pinstripes next season. Competition is also never a bad thing either. Nady and Swish can compete for the RF job and keep each other on top of their games because if one slips the other is right there to take his spot in the lineup. Even if Nady plays the entire year in right and nobody gets injured I still see Swisher getting 400 AB's. Matsui and Damon have been injured alot the last 2 years and will get plenty of days off. He can play here and there at first base. Swish can also see some time in centerfield...I wouldn't want him there on a daily basis but he is capable of playing the position especially when Wang is pitching and the outfield doesn't see much action.

Point is....Nady and Swisher do not have to go anywhere. There would be plenty of playing time for both of them even if nobody gets hurt, and even more playing time if Damon, Matsui, Tex, and whoever is playing right field goes down with an injury.

"Nady and Swisher do not have to go anywhere"

exactly. Matsui is only going to DH 130 games, Damon will only play 130 games, Nady will take days off. Swisher rotates at LF/RF/1B/DH and he'll get his ABs, he does well we can swing him for a deadline trade or keep him and let him be in LF or RF next year

Swisher is a bum.. he sucks so bad the sox played dewayne wise over him in the playoffs. seems like good clubhouse person but he can't hit s#it

"Yankees absolutely stole him."

Makes me wanna be sick. Very few times have I ever seen a GM move a player in such an awful deal, at a totally unnecessary time.

Honestly, why the hell did KW trade Swish in early November? For that package of nothingness??

I get that the White Sox had simply decided that Swisher didn't fit on their team.

That doesn't mean that you just trade him to the first team that offers you some warm bodies. You just traded the base of your farm system for the guy, and then you deal him a year later for a tiny fraction of what you dealt for him.

"Matt Maloney and Chris Valaika should get it done for Nady"

No it wont"

Uhh. It might.

You do realize that Xavier Nady will be a free agent after the season, and was essentially a league average (maybe a little beter) player before 2008. He's only broke a .340 OBP once, and that was thanks to a .305 BA (that BA is partially thanks to a BABIP over 20 points higher than his career BABIP).

Nady is a fine player, but he's far from a great player.

Frazier is a very good hitting prospect whose value gets dragged down by his lack of a position, but he's still a pretty valuable guy. Throwing in another decent pitching prospect like Maloney should be close to enough.

I don't really see them going after guys like Mesoraco (already have Montero and Romine), Francisco (A-Rod) or Soto (A-Rod).

""Matt Maloney and Chris Valaika should get it done for Nady"
No it wont"
Uhh. It might.
You do realize that Xavier Nady will be a free agent after the season"

when was the last time the yankees traded a starter for prospects??

spend 400m this offseason so we can trade our RF for prospects? How does that make any sense???

The only way Nady is being traded is if its in a package with prospects for an MLB proven CF, other then that he's going nowhere

Nady & veras to reds for phillips!
cano, Kennedy and/or melky to lad for kemp!
sign Manny 3yrs club opt for 4th 80% dh, 20% lf!
matsui(if waive no trade)to giants for sanchez or seatt for Bedard( %of money paid or prospect involved)!
hughes?aceves 5th starter!
joba back to setup mo!

cc,wang,burnett,(bedard or sanchez),hughes!
pen: Mo,joba,marte,brunney,coke, aceves,robertson!

:posada,tex,phillips,jeter, arod,damon, kemp, swish, manny!

bench molina,ransom,gardner, and 1 open slot to fill!

The reason I put that trade out there for Harang was because I wanted it to be obscene, the type that only a fool would turn down, and only a fool would offer.

Joba has done nothing really as a starter, other then prove that he can't stay healthy as one. He's got talent but he projects more as a reliever at this point. Which is fine and good, but a 200 inning ace caliber starter is more valueable.

I wouldn't give up anything of value for Nady. He's pretty average and I see no reason to over pay for such just to help out the Yankees.

I like Swisher consider him something of a Dunn lite, but the Yankees basically got him for free. A utility player they had no use for, and a couple of minor prospects that will be of little impact. The White Sox clearly wanted him gone and it looks like they took the first offer to get him out of there.

As for not trading for prospects what in the heck do you think your going to get for what is basically over paid bench help? Its not like the Yankees are particularly hurting in one area. Perhaps a proven bullpen arm.

Phillips is worth far more then that pathetic package.

1. It is very simple economics: If you paid your people $220 last year and this year you will pay $205, your payroll went down.

2. None of the Yankee OFs have to be traded and everyone will get 110+ starts (provided Melky rots in the minors)

3. Manny is not going to be a Yankee; get over it

4. Cashman wins most high profile trades. The Nady and Swisher deals are his m.o. Therefore: Cinci ... get ready to give up Harang and a prospect (would love Valaika / Bour) for not as much as you would have expected they'd be worth.

5. My only question is: Do MLB teams do sign-and-trade deals? If Nady can be signed for 3 - 4 years @ $8mil per, it might be more palatable for the Reds. I apologize for my ignorance if that kind of stuff is a non-starter.

Phillips is the face of the Reds, is a premier defensive player and has a solid bat for the position. With the recent trades of Dunn and Griffey the Reds need some veteran to build the fan base around. Unless they are getting something major I don't see them moving Phillips.

It would have to be for something closer to a one for one or something that Phillips was just a part of for it to make sense for the Reds.

Nady and a pair of prospects just isn't cutting it.

I wasn't aware that all of MLB had to do everything that Cashman said.

Harang is cheap relatively speaking, there will be far more teams bidding for him then just the Yankees because some owner stupidly gave the player some 20 million dollar deal.

hahahahahaha, Manny is the best clutch hitter in the game by far, Hank and some of ownership want him! nady and swisher can be moved & alot of teams intrested in both, damon and matsui would come off the books next yr anyways so ur dumping age and 26 mill there! just the fact of him tearing up papelboner, beckett or dicek is pricless! a 3,4,5 of manny arod and tex would be deadliest in game! thats why he will be a yankee!!!!

cause i sadi so!!!! lol

Not the most compelling argument. But, you made a couple of points. I guess time will tell. I will praises you in posts for a week if you are correct, Taylor.
My prediction, Manny is a Dodger, Giant, Ranger, or Mariner before the end of next week.

"Harang pitches in the most hitter friendly park in the major leagues and maintains that ERA.

Pitchers can pitch into their mid-40's. How many position players can do that? I can name one...Julio Franco...that's it. Harang is barely 30 years old, if that.

Joba pitched in a pitcher friendly Yankee stadium. Put him in Colorado or Cincy, and you'll see his numbers highly inflate at home.

Get with the program, please."

What does a position players age have to do with anything???

Harang may be all that, but my point was the Yanks are NOT going to give up Joba, Swisher and Austin Jackson for him.
Sure, guys can pitch till they are 40..and Joba is 23 and will more likely than not put up at least numbers comparable to Harang. He is under the Yanks control for 4 more years.
I dont care what Joba's #s would be in Cincy, I know he did just fine in Yankee stadium and in the AL parks, thats all I need.

So YOU get with the program.

Please let's not start this "Cano for Kemp" stuff again. Kemp is better, younger and cheaper than Cano. Not going to happen. And I'll emphasize CHEAPER because of the Dodgers owner.

Patrick,

Cano isn't going to blow the Dodgers away.

First off, it is clear that with the Dodgers Logan White is very protective of his draft picks. He determines which ones will NOT be traded, and which ones will be allowed to be traded by Colletti.

Kemp, Martin, Loney, Bills, Kershaw, Broxton and Ethier are the main group.

You want to really blow the Dodgers away for Kemp? It'd take Joba, Hughes, Jackson and probably someone else.
Is that unreasonable? Yes. But that would blow the Dodgers away. Again, Logan White isn't letting his players go. So just drop it. I'm not going to debate the myth that Cano is a great player.

Cano makes a minimum of $29M over the next 3 years. That's a lot of cash to pay a player you HOPE isn't as bad as he was last year. That kind of cash better land you someone like Utley, not Cano's 86 OPS+.
Not just that, but the Dodgers also have Blake DeWitt at 2B. He's 22 and had a higher OPS+ than Cano last season. And he makes the league minimum for the next 2 seasons, and then he'll be arb. eligible for the following 3. He'll probably make 1/3 of Cano's salary for 2 extra years.

dont wanna deal cano anyways unless we get a 2b say phillips (reds fans) back in some trade! and hudon for 5 for 50 isn't worth it!

"LOL....kemp is a nice young player,buy you can keep kemp and his 153 k's"

You must think Adam Dunn was horrible last year since he had 164 K's, huh? Or Ryan Howard and his 199 K's?

"The only way Nady is being traded is if its in a package with prospects for an MLB proven CF, other then that ehe's going nowhere"

So the plan is to leave either Nady or Swisher on the bench, where their trade value will decline even further..?

"when was the last time the yankees traded a starter for prospects??"

Who cares. They have too many starting outfielders and it makes no sense to leave one on the bench where their trade value will decline. It would be a poor use of resources and money to allocate that much salary to a fourth outfielder, when you could easily shed the salary while also likely landing yourself a prospect or two.

Also, there have been ZERO indications that the Reds/Dodgers would even consider moving Brandon Phillips/Matt Kemp at this point, so why is it even worth bringing up? The Yankees aren't going to totally overwhelm the Reds/Dodgers, and that's what it would take for them to even consider a deal.

Take Cano, and run with it, the guy still has huge offensive potential.

Just because you want a player doesn't mean the other team has any interest at all whatsoever in moving him.

"how many strikeouts did kemp have you fail to include that"

Ha.. ha.. uh..

Was this a serious comment?