Red Sox Sign Takashi Saito

tough to admit what? that signing 3 guys coming off major surgery put you guys over the top?

if he was only else they would, but he is the captain and he gets the praise for handling the pitchers so well. its the same situation with pettite, swallow your pride and take a pay cut or retire. cause no team is signing varitek and giving up a 1st rounder

ok i havent been posting on this site for "months" but okay. how about next time you have an actual example you point it out ok? then we can have a discussion, because saying "you're bias" "you give red sox no credit" without any examples, well sorry. every post here is time stamped, so any time you see me let me know which topic and which post and ill be happy to discuss it with you

If I was Texas i wouldnt trade Salty/Teag straight up for just Buchholz, in that ballpark that teams needs groundball pitchers if they ever want to compete.

Kottaras did show power last year, 22hr in 400ab, hes not going to hit for avg but not catcher does. So why not hand it over to Kottaras and Bard/whoever. It's like the Yankees CF situation, if they arent getting the job done by July make a trade, same with Boston.

Except now that i see Kottaras was 15 for 90 in throwing out runnings last year, pretty bad when you team him up with mr. 23% bard

The Rangers could very well be the Rays of this year if their pitching holds together. That offense is straight up scary.

Lets not over exaggerate saying that its like Coors field.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=HRFactor&season=2008

its not exaggerating, look at the numbers

You said if you were Texas you'd jump over for Buchholz if it was offered. If the Yankees offered Hughes would you accept that? if not why

U make a valid point,I still say Texas would pull the trigger on that deal with the quickness.

Knowing all the bad trades texas has made they probably would, and with nolan ryan there dont really know what hes up to. i just think it'd be a mistake.

1. their staff wasnt good anyways
2. but padilla was 47th in the al in groundout to flyout ratio (GO-AO), and milwood was 52nd
3. you cant have you're #1 & #2 be that bad when you're in the best hitting park in the league

should have signed lowe, trade millwood and padilla for whatever, feldman/harrison just walked too many guys this year, dont know their other prospects but should trade a strikeout guy( higher value) for a GB pitcher(lower value) and have the team throw in another 1 or 2 prospects

salt also showed last year what he could do, he has over 500ab. hughes/buchholz were both given the opportuniy and both failed. you're looking at it from bos/nyy view, you have to look at it from Texas' view. Teag isnt going to hit .300 but the kid has power, giving up him or salty for just hughes/buchh? not going to happen.

It cracks me up that the Texas Rangers, of all teams, don't want to trade a catcher for a starting pitcher. This team's Achilles heal has always been their starting pitching. In contrast, for nearly a decade they had arguably the greatest catcher to ever play the game. Exactly how many postseason games did the Rangers win in 12 years with Pudge Rodriguez behind the plate? Answer - exactly 1 game.

Yanksin4...i just re-read your post...did u call me homosexual? Are you kidding me? WOW dude. Just because i live in New Hampshire and like the red sox im homosexual?? Your logic is stupid man. Just Shut up and get off of this. because ever post you make, makes you even more and more of a disgrace for your fellow fans to call you a Yankees fan.

midtown- how about you never mentio my name again since i never said i single word about new hampshire, get your facts straight

Reading these threads are hilarious. I do enjoy the myths that seem to continue to surround AJ Burnett. Or at least are perpetuated by Yankee fans to justify the contract he just signed. I believe the best one is that "he has proven he can pitch in the AL East". He pitched to the tune of just above league average last year, regardless of how many strikeouts he had. He also walked the 5th most batters in the AL too. Burnett is going to be 32 this season. While his "potential" is still being touted, without steroids, at what age does the end of a power pitcher's prime end? It's definitely not starting at 32. And Burnett hasn't had a dominant season yet in his career.
As for the "Burnett isn't like Penny" talk, that's true. At Burnett's best he's been 20% above league average. At Penny's best, he was 50% better than league average. And I know that the AL is better than the NL, but are you going to tell me that the AL is THAT much better than the NL? Or that the AL East is THAT much better than the NL West? If that's true, how does the NL West EVER win any interleague games?

As for Penny and Saito, I am sad to see either of them leave, especially for such reasonable salaries. But I don't think either would have signed for that amount with the Dodgers, as I don't think anyone would sign for relatively cheap with the team that just cut them loose.
I think the only way the Red Sox could have made these deals better is if they signed these players to minor league contracts with the same guarantee minimums and incentives while also including a release date if the players are healthy and left in minors so that they could have kept a few more 40 man roster spots open until the end of Spring Training.

"put NY/BOS/TB in the nl west and they'd win 100+ games"

put NY/BOS/TB in the NL West and they don't have a DH to use. Therefore, different team would be in the NL West. Again, I know the AL East has more talent than the NL West, but are you really going to tell me that the AL East is so superior to the NL West that someone who plays in the NL West can't be successful in the AL East? I don't think there is that big a disparity between major leaguers.

Again, your first place team won 84 games. Our top 4 teams won 97, 95, 89, 86.

"You're an idiot."

That's a good argument, have anything else? like facts about the discussion
?

"That's a good argument, have anything else? like facts about the discussion"

What argument needs to be made? You just said that anyone who plays in the NL West couldn't be successful in the AL East. I guess Lincecum, Webb, Haren, Peavy and Billingsley should just quit. They'll never be able to play in the AL East.

"What argument needs to be made? You just said that anyone who plays in the NL West couldn't be successful in the AL East. I guess Lincecum, Webb, Haren, Peavy and Billingsley should just quit. They'll never be able to play in the AL East."

sorry i thought we were talking about TEAMS, not individual players., so misread your statement.
Haren, Webb, Lincecum, Billingsly would succeed, Peavy with his 3.80era away from home would not

"Peavy with his 3.80era away from home would not"

Even if we completely discount his home stats and forget that his away stats are still a pretty small sample size, a 3.80 ERA would be the 37th best in baseball. Better than Carlos Zambrano, Josh Beckett and AJ Burnett among others. You can continue to think that a Cy Young winner won't succeed if he pitched in the AL all you want. But that's ridiculous to think that Andy Pettitte is a better pitcher than Jake Peavy.

"Lowe, Billingsley, Lincecum, Cain, Peavy, Young, Haren and Webb?"
Yankees face Beckett, Dicek, Lester, Kazmir, Shields, Burnett, & Halladay. I think they're used to cy young caliber pitchers

"Blue Jays had a DH. How many runs is a DH worth over a pitcher?"
7 other NL teams scored more thens then the Dbacks

"Not with the injuries to the Yankees pitching staff and how horribly Hughes/ Kennedy pitched."

Starters era:
LA - 3.87, AR- 3.95, SF- 4.34, SD- 4.38, COl- 5.14
NYY- 4.58, then you adjust for the fact that they're no longer facing 9 of the best offenses. Um yeah 89games seem reasonable, definately 84

facing 9 of top 15 offenses*

"well there you go, it was our 2nd best team who beat the highest winning team in the AL, just helped my point"

No, it doesn't. Your two points were that the AL East top 3 teams would win 100+ against the NL West and that no NL West players could compete in the AL East. Outside of Mike Mussina, none of the Yankees pitchers last season could even compete with the top 8 pitchers in the NL West.

"your first place team did that, and our 2nd place team beat the al's highest team 3-1."

But as you pointed out, my first place team only won 84 games. That's 13 wins less than the #1 team. The 2nd place team won 95 games. Only 5 games less.

"And look at the rosters as they are right now, the only NL west team to improve are the Giants. Fine you argue about 100, you dont think NY/BOS/TB could walk in there and win 95 games easily?"

We're not looking at the rosters right now. We're looking at last season's rosters. And are we talking about the Dodgers pre-Manny or post-Manny? Because post-Manny the Dodgers win more than 84 games. Hell, the Dodgers win more than 84 games if the starting OF included Kemp and Ethier all season instead of Pierre, Jones and a platoon of Kemp/Ethier.

So no, I don't think BOS/TB/NY walks in and wins "95 easily". The NL first off doesn't have a DH for production, nor does it allow for you to play your guys at the DH for a rest.

"Boston never used teh DH for "Resting a player" and both teams have enough depth offensively to give guys complete days off when needed."

You just take David Ortiz off the team. No big loss there. And the Yankees make Giambi their full time 1B. A lot of AL production from Boston/NYY come from the DH spot. And allows sub-par defensive players to not play the field.

So yes, you put NY/BOS/TB in the NL West and LA/Ari competes with them. And SF/SD wins a few games against them because of their top end pitching. Am I saying that NY/BOS/TB doesn't win the division? No. But without that DH, and against the pitching, it's a discussion.

"everyone knows the NL West is the weakest division in baseball so lets avoid this dicussion that's going to go nowhere"

Except that in 2007 the most wins in the NL came from the NL West. The Wild Card came from the NL West. And the top 4 teams in the NL West all had winning records.

Yeah, the NL West is the weakest division. Because the NL Central and AL West have LOADS of talent... Keep thinking the NL West sucks every year.

Yanksin4, Kulaid and Zack should all be banned. There is no need for their constant personal attacks of New Hampersherites, people who live in the woods and other homosexuals.

Posted by: midtown | January 11, 2009 at 01:51 AM
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Your so stupid dude... i am the one from new hampshire..and yanksin4 was making fun of people who live in the woods saying they were homosexual?...i just stood up for myself. and you think i should be banned? STFU dude.

a lot of things can change over the course of a season

"the red sox are being racist. 4 jap pitchers. they are turning into team japan."
-- glen

very nicely put, very classy.
And no, you're being racist, you called them "japs",...... are you from the 1940s?
Are you saying that you could do better than the Japanese players? BTW team Japan won the WBC, and probably would have beaten the US if they didn't get robbed by an ump who probably thinks like you. Some of us are Japanese on this site.

Its a joke, man. You know, funny???

Ahhh, whatever.

The Red Sox are making some good signings.

Wowwwwwwww,

Saito + Okajima + Masterson + Ramirez + Delcarmen + Papelbon = LIGHTS OUT!

This bullpen is stacked.

Dodgers would finsh dead last in the AL East. I rank both Orioles and Blue Jays higher than any tam from NL West, NL as a league is so much inferior and West is the worst of the NL leagues.

"How about this statistic - Zack has 82 posts on this thread alone - Half of them personal attacks on people."

That's fuckin impressive. I'm just not sure if it reflects on him the way he'd like it to.

As for Saito, it's a great buy low. He could end up being an elite, dominant set up man for Papelbon, giving them an unreal bullpen:

Papelbon, Saito, Okajima, Masterson, Ramirez, Declarmen and Lopez.

I'm guessing most if not every team is envious.

What the hell happened to this thread? I wouldn't think a Saito signing would cause so much fur to fly.

If enough arms stay healthy in Boston and Tampa, NY misses the playoffs...unless they sign the best rbi guy in mlb.

What on earth does race have to do with baseball? So stupid, Boston is a white city so what. The Celtics have only one white guy on the entire roster, that is hardly enough if you want to look at the etnicity of the city.

"It's only because Baltimore and Toronto cant compete with the payroll, maybe mlb should just make the Yanks and Sox a division. I know espn would love it!"

The Mets would have to be in that division, since they also outspend the Sox. Besides, somebody has to miss the playoffs each year.

Why is Zack gone?? Did he do something wrong in here did he do a chat booboo??

How am I harassing posters ?? I said the saito signing was a wise one and that it could have nice benefits where in that post did I harass anyone get a grip will ya jeez it's friggin baseball.

Glavine seemed all upset his buddy left for greener pastures in boston mybe he should follow the braves are going nowhere soon...

"What would Tom Glavines ERA be in the AL East? over/under 10 probably over."

Doubt that... but his control noticeable slipped last year, enough so that his past successes of turning himself into a finesse pitcher will be forgotten. He really should retire or start a job as a pitching coach.

I'd have to argue that Zack is among the worst human beings of this or any other generation.

"If enough arms in NY stay healthy, they have 4 aces. How does Tampa and Boston compete with that? Boston especially with 5 of 6 starters spending significant time on the DL last season."

Welcome back, Zack. That didn't take long.

Sadly, I dont think Zack was banned. His lack of reason may be unparalleled on this website.

The Evil Empire has 4 aces! LOL! The only ace you have is CC as D.L. Burnett and Wang are 2's while Joba could be as big a flop as Buchholz and certainly won't pitch over 150 innings so right now he's a 4 on any respectable team. IMO Tampa's rotation is as good while far more sturdier than the one in the bronx which is one injury away from 4th place still as they have ZERO DEPTH and a failure of a rookie in the 5 hole. The Red Sox rotation is more talented and much deeper than any in baseball as Beckett, Lester, and Dice-K are the best 1,2,3 in baseball and Smoltz, Penny, Wakefield, Buchholz, and Masterson would be almost as good as the current MFY starting 5 if penny and smoltz are healthy especially when you consider the sox may have the best defense in baseball and the Evil Empire has one of the worst. Better manager, better starters, better bullpen, better defense, better bench and slightly better offense means that yankee posters on sox sites are wasting their time. In other words,if a yankee troll falls in the woods does anyone care?

Posted by: RED SOX DYNASTY! | January 13, 2009 at 04:06 PM

Wow a more cocky and stupid remark I have never heard in my life, dice k is a very good pitcher who has infantile control issues, and beckett while dominant when healthy has been a question mark over the years, then you have lester who I believe is the best pitcher of the 3 and he is going into uncharted territory he pitched alot of innings last year his 1st full big league year we'll see how he rebounds, as far as joba he has already shwon to be a better pitcher than buchholz he has shown power and excitement now if he can keep his pitch count down he is a legitimate 2 right now, CC is CC dominant and a workhorse, and Burnett well he can be nasty but see beckett he has the potential let's see if he lives up to it, Wang is in my mind either a 2 or a high 3 he has good command but needs that ground ball to stay on the mound . It will be a very interesting year to see who can stay healthy and happy and pitch the way they are capable of this year, the bosox and yanks both have great pitching great hitting and great bullpens , and tampa is still there too it will truly be a fun year so let's get it on..

"as far as joba he has already shwon to be a better pitcher than buchholz he has shown power and excitement now if he can keep his pitch count down he is a legitimate 2 right now"

A legitimate 2 can get out of the 6th inning on a consistent basis. Wang is a legitimate 2. Joba is not. Come back when he pitches a complete game, even once.

Let me get this straight...Saito is not worth 1.5 guaranteed on a make-good contract but Mota is worth signing? Another example of McCourt and Colletti cutting corners and running a big market baseball team like a candy store. Even if they sign Manny for 20M per they have cut about 25M OFF the payroll and have not replaced Lowe and Penny. Pitching wins which is why the Braves overpaid for Lowe. As it stands the Giants, with no hitting, have a better team.