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According to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports, Ben Sheets underwent successful elbow surgery Tuesday. A source claims that "a return in the second half is realistic barring setbacks." Sheets is shooting for August.
Clubs already are inquiring about signing Sheets for the second half. If healthy, he will be extremely attractive to contenders, who at that point could sign the former Brewers' ace without forfeiting a top draft pick, writes Rosenthal.
It doesn't sound like a team is going to take a chance on him before the season starts.
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What happened between Sheets and the Brewers that they won't discus a possible return?
Posted by: estuartj | February 12, 2009 at 09:39 PM
Dodgers should go after him.
Posted by: LAD_ChachoSGV | February 12, 2009 at 09:39 PM
Talk about needing to prove something in the second half, he will be a man on a mission to get as fat a contract as possible next year.
Posted by: MrMet | February 12, 2009 at 09:41 PM
He was all set to sign with the Rangers when they found this. I expect talks with the Rangers to resume
Posted by: BREWERS FAN 4 EVER | February 12, 2009 at 09:49 PM
"He was all set to sign with the Rangers when they found this. I expect talks with the Rangers to resume"
Likely, but not until June. But my bet is he signs on with a contender, he's more likely to raise his profile in a playoff race.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | February 12, 2009 at 10:00 PM
"Yesterday, it was such an easy game to play, now i need a place to hide away. Oh I belive in yesterday". Says all the fans that wanted Sheets.
Posted by: Tomahawk368 | February 12, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Mets will sign Sheets in July when Freddy Garcia is on the DL.
Posted by: metzfan22 | February 12, 2009 at 10:13 PM
I wonder if Sheets would consider coming back as a reliever in 09, and maybe beyond. JUst with his 94 mph fast ball and curve he could be a dominant closer and it could help maintain his arm just working 1 or 2 innings. Even if it's just for 09, it would be a easy way to transition him back, instead of expecting him to go 6 innings so soon.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | February 12, 2009 at 10:15 PM
A agree with YanksFan; Smoltz has previously and Wood currently proved that a fragile but electric arm can succeed as a closer.
Posted by: Some dude | February 12, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Er, *I* agree. First post jitters...
Posted by: Some dude | February 12, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Its cool,Some dude.
Posted by: LeroyJenkins | February 12, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Yesterday, it was such an easy game to play, now i need a place to hide away. Oh I belive in yesterday". Says all the fans that wanted Sheets.
Posted by: Tomahawk368 | February 12, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Weird way to say it, but i agree?
Posted by: LeroyJenkins | February 12, 2009 at 10:26 PM
the rangers should just sign him now! a few years, incentive laden deal that can really top out if he performs. the worst that could happen is that he eats up money on the DL, but in all likelihood i'd rather have that than millwood or padilla (or jennings last year) eating up those dollars. i'll take an injured sheets over an injured millwood/padilla any day. yeah, they're injured. but at least you have the hope of sheets being absolutely dominant eventually.
Posted by: tmoney352 | February 12, 2009 at 10:27 PM
This 'sheets coming back as a reliever' stuff is stupid. The guy threw five complete games last year. He CAN last 9 innings and frankly hes better as a starter even if he can only throw 150 innings a year.
Posted by: jmag043 | February 12, 2009 at 10:36 PM
Man I could see this guy getting big bucks for a playoff-hunting team in the second half of the season.
Posted by: d32123 | February 12, 2009 at 10:40 PM
No way he signs with the Rangers. Why would he ? He can play for a contending team and showcase his skills somewhere besides the wind tunnel in Arlington. The only reason he was going to before is because the Rangers were the only ones offering him a contract.
A LOT of teams will want him now that they won't have to part with the draft pick.
Posted by: kinsler5 | February 12, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Just wanted to mix things up, Leroy.
Posted by: Tomahawk368 | February 12, 2009 at 10:47 PM
estuarttj: There is a rift between Sheets and the Brewers for two reasons:
1) He was accused by annoymous teamates of having a questionable work ethic - he never charted games, he NEVER warmed up properly (which is why he hurt his hamstring between innings) and so on
2) Sheets was angry that the Brewers did not offer him an extension before and during the 08 season even though everyone knew he'd reject it and test the market - more of an ego thing
3) Sheets was dissapointed with all of the attention CC was given when he had been the ace and basically was ignored
4) Sheets was angry that CC got the big offer and the Brewers weren't interested in him until CC signed with the Yanks
5) A lot of fans were getting impatient because he was hurt a lot and at always at very inopportune times
Yanksfan/somedude: Sheets has said he is not interested in being a closer. I like him - but it is definitely his personality to not want to close. Also Sheets is not like those other guys with fragile arms and electric stuff. He is not closer material. He is a notoriously slow starter and it takes him about 3 innings to get his best stuff going. (curve and full velocity on his fastball). In the very few games he has it in the first you know it will be a special game, but he typically doesn't get going right away with his best stuff - some of it is lack of proper warmup, some of it is that he is a thrower and not a pitcher.
tmoney352: YES the rangers should sign Sheets right now. I wish you were the GM and not Nolan. Then the Brewers could have your second round pick and get a sandwich pick too. Please get it done. No one will touch him until at least June.
Posted by: MilwMatt | February 12, 2009 at 10:50 PM
This 'sheets coming back as a reliever' stuff is stupid. The guy threw five complete games last year. He CAN last 9 innings and frankly hes better as a starter even if he can only throw 150 innings a year.
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Ummmmmm....and didn't he end up w/ an elbow injury and just had surgery that will keep him off the bump for most of the season? No, it's not a stupid idea. If he feels the need to rush back this year, for whatever reason, be it to help his team contend down the stretch or to showcase his health so he can get a big contract, if he's pushing himself to go 6+ innings as a starter he can do even more damage to his arm. He might be super dominant as a starter but if he gets hurt and misses 1/2 at whatever salary he gets would be a huge loss for that team and for his career.
Coming back as a releiver, at least for 09, allows him to showcase at the mlb level, while minimizing the strain on his arm. Pitching 3 innings a week vs 12-18 innings is a big difference.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | February 12, 2009 at 10:54 PM
MilwMatt hit it on the head, with regards to Sheets as a reliever.
He takes forever to get warmed up, and is on occasion shaky the first couple innings. For sheets to be your closer, you'd have to get him up and throwing in the 5th or 6th...
He doesn't have the best work ethic, as you said, doesn't keep himself in the best shape, and seems pretty nonchalant about the whole thing.
He gave us some solid years, and I wish him the best, but with everything that's transpired, I can't say I'm all that sad to see him go.
Posted by: Mykenk | February 12, 2009 at 10:56 PM
BUT Yanksfan - as I just mentioned he is a slow starter. He doesn't get going until he pitches 2-3 innings. He is also stubborn and has already said several times he will not be a relief pitcher or a closer. Trust me, I have seen at least 40 starts from Ben Sheets in person. There is a pattern that almost always occurs and it rules him out of closing. (When it doesn't occur it is usually a complete game shutout or even an 18 strikeout game). His curve has no bite and he doesn;t hit his top velocity until he gets at least 2 full innings in.
Posted by: MilwMatt | February 12, 2009 at 11:05 PM
Anyone hear about that plane crash? JEEEEZ!
Posted by: LeroyJenkins | February 13, 2009 at 12:11 AM
I don't doubt that what Brewers fans say about Sheets being a slow starter is true, but that is exactly what people said about Wood. Sheets could adjust to that role if he needed to. I'm actually suprised that more pitchers with health problems don't explore life as a set-up man or closer (I'm looking at you, Randy Wolf!). After all, Eck made the role famous and he was just prolonging his career after many years as a starter. Look at what's going on with Carp, for example...
That said, I think we'd need to see another set-back with Sheets before that would ever come to pass. And, of course, he has more value to the team as a starter if he can do it.
Posted by: jrfukudome | February 13, 2009 at 12:20 AM
There's a big difference between preparing yourself to go 7 innings and getting all of your pitches together vs facing 3 batters. I just think whoever signs him for 09 expecting him to be the same Sheets prior is going to be disappointed and Sheet might be pushing himself too soon. Come in as a reliever in 09 and prepare to be a starter in 2010. Just my opinion.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | February 13, 2009 at 01:02 AM
Sheets is a bit lax in the offseason conditioning department - folks with the team will tell you that. My impressions in talking with people who know is that he's a "take the offseason off and then work yourself into condition during spring training" kind of guy.
As far as pegging him as lazy in-season, I don't think that's entirely fair. He's a very mellow Southern personality, not a camera hog or ego guy, so he can come off as lacking fire. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think the evidence is there that he's a difficult or lazy guy.
Quite frankly, the guy is arguably the best homegrown pitcher in Brewers history (Higuera?) so it isn't exactly like he's totally disappointed even if he did underachieve in some aspects.
Posted by: Comma8 | February 13, 2009 at 08:25 AM
I expect Sheets to go to the NL where he can show off his expertise with the bat. He actually hits it out of the infield 1-2 times per season!
Posted by: hcf | February 13, 2009 at 09:12 AM
""Yesterday, it was such an easy game to play, now i need a place to hide away. Oh I belive in yesterday". Says all the fans that wanted Sheets."
"Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away, now it looks as if their here to stay" says Ben Sheets after declining to negotiate with the Brewers and going after a big deal.
Posted by: nrmax88 | February 13, 2009 at 10:06 AM
I'd like to see the Pirates jump in right here and try to scoop him up before the season starts.
Posted by: BucSox | February 13, 2009 at 10:51 AM
I don't see anybody touching Sheets until after the draft compensation thing expires in June. Then, we'll see loads of contending teams, who may have lost a couple pitchers to injuries during the first half of the season, wanting his services.
Posted by: Agent | February 13, 2009 at 12:09 PM
In Houston, we wish Ben Sheets the best, and a speedy recovery.
Posted by: RoyOswaltSteroidFree | February 13, 2009 at 04:38 PM