Oswalt Would Not Pitch For White Sox

Maybe the Cubs should have some interest in Tejada. They could put Tejada at third until Ramirez gets back, then when Ramirez comes back move Tejada to SS and Theriot to second?

Or would it be the same Aaron Poreda and Clayton Richard???

for the white sox, definitly go for Roy Oswalt!!!!!!!!They could offer the same players that they offered for Peavy!If they cant get peavy, why no get Oswalt!!!!!

I wonder if a Miguel Tejada and Roy Oswalt for Josh Fields, Clayton Richards , Aaron Poreda,John Shelby & Lance Broadway can get it done. The Sox taks on the rest of Oswalt and Tejada contracts.

I don't see the sox going for Tejada. They already have one position (shortstop) for two players (Ramirez, Beckham). But I can definately see them trying for Oswalt. But I just don't believe Houston will trade him.

to late now, Lance Broadway is traded to the mets!!!!

Every single year in the past I have laughed when the inevitable Oswalt trade rumors come up, but I could actually see it happening this year. Oswalt and Cooper do not get along. An anonymous Astros player recently said that either Cooper had to go, or he would, and the smart money is that it was Oswalt who said it.

seanbergmanrules- I'm with you in all the laughter over the years of an Oswalt trade, but also agree with you that it could possibly happen this year. I still remember Steve Phillips saying that Oswalt had already been traded, right before the deadline, only to be told by both clubs that they had not said a thing about a trade. Or Gammon's yearly comments about Oswalt is going to be a Red Sox player. I don't want to see him go because I love the guy, but maybe it would send a wake up call to Drayton if Oswalt wants to be traded.

If Oswalt really wants to leave he should do just what Wagner did and tell it like it is-- "Drayton just wants to be competitive, and not try to win a championship." That got him out of Houston.

unless...the sox finally move alexei to CF, and try to sell high on anderson...?

as an astros fan, oswalt is the guy you want around for a second half push. so far they show no real signs of life. they had a small spurt before the rangers and reds wrecked that. they're older and i doubt they can pull off the late 2008 push this year. maybe they can though.

but it's time to sell these guys off and rebuild the farm and wait til 2012 (around the time that they have to make a real decision on keeping hunter pence long-term). if they could get *anything* for tejada, that would be great. i really want them to deal carlos lee, but supposedly he won't waive the no-trade clause for anyone. that leaves oswalt. i doubt berkman's going anywhere. i also heard once that kaz matsui also has a no-trade clause (there's 4 of them: oswalt, lee, berkman, ...matsui?).

they also need to deal off doug brocail to some desperate team at the deadline (texas? ha), and also jose valverde. there's no reason to keep valverde after this year. he's going to make too much money. latroy hawkins has been good in houston, and may have a little value for someone like texas who needs a reliever in a few months.

just tear it all down and start over. this is going to be a real disaster this year if they don't make some kind of crazy charge in the next few weeks. they already blew their chance to win it all.

The deal, from Houston's perspective may very well be,"If you want Oswalt ya gotta take Tejada too".

Combined, they earn something like $28M/season, right?

A huge salary dump if the Astros can pull it off..

Kaz has a limited no-trade clause.

any chance the sox are scouting wandy? any chance the astros are even thinking of trading him? he doesn't have a NTC, as oswalt does, and his value is sky-high right now. maybe?

An Oswalt trade would be a good one, but you can't give up Beckham or Richard.
Tejada would be dumb.

Oswalt for Poreda, Colon/Contereas, other prospect not name Gordon, Allen, Viciedo, Retherford.

To be all honest I think they should experiment with Poreda before giving him away.

Roy Oswalt J.R. Towles Miguel Tejada and Jason Micheals to the Sox for Clayton Richard Gordan Beckham Aaron Poreda Brandon allen Tyler Flowers and Dayan Viciedo.

As I posted on another sit the Madd Dogg sports show on Serious Satelite Radio has Suggested it would totally deplete the top 10 of the White sox Prospects to get Both Tejada and Oswalt

So basically the Madd Dogg sports show wants Kenny to trade the Birmingham Barons + Clayton Richard for Oswalt + Miguel and crap.

Wow thats borderline insane.

screw these over rated a55 pitchers. we dont need him. i bet any money this lame would jump up and sign with the yankees or redsox or even the scrubs.

86 Mets You sure do know alot about the White Sox.
Why not ask Ken Griffey JR How it was to play for Ozzie.
All Ozzie wants from his players is to play hard and give it all for the team.
No one talked crap about Carlos Lee and Magglio Ordonez deserved what was said to him. Maggs bailed on the team and went to Europe for a "SPECIAL" surgey for his injury and didn't inform the team about it. I'm sure he was juicing to rehab his injury just like Jose Conseco said.

86 Mets You sure do know alot about the White Sox.
Why not ask Ken Griffey JR How it was to play for Ozzie.
All Ozzie wants from his players is to play hard and give it all for the team.
No one talked crap about Carlos Lee and Magglio Ordonez deserved what was said to him. Maggs bailed on the team and went to Europe for a "SPECIAL" surgey for his injury and didn't inform the team about it. I'm sure he was juicing to rehab his injury just like Jose Conseco said.

Posted by: platinum1 | May 31, 2009 at 07:25 PM

Ozzie has a habit of throwing people under the bus, and it can rub players the wrong way. I'm not siding with Maggs on that surgery, and Lee certainly wasn't hustling on that slide to 2nd. That doesn't change the fact that ripping them apart for the media probably isn't going to make players on other rosters want to play for him.

To say that no NL pitchers want to play in the AL is a cop out. If that's the case, why would any pitcher ever sign with an AL team if he had an NL option. Oswalt just said he doesn't want to play for the White Sox, he never said anything about the AL. At some point, just being an AL team isn't enough of an explanation as to why nobody wants to play there.

Some great ozzie quotes:

Ozzie on Maggs-
"He's a piece of sh-t.”

"He's a [bleep], that's what he is. He's another Venezuelan [bleep]. [Bleep] him."

Ozzie on Jay Mariotti:
"What a piece of sh-t he is, f-cking f-g." "He's a garbage. He's always been a garbage. And he will die a garbage."

Ozzie on Rauch:
"Like Rauch, he went down to the minor leagues after he pitched for us and told the minor-league manager and coaches, 'I was hurt when Ozzie pitched me.' What? He goes out there and loses games and doesn't tell me he was hurt? All he had to do was tell me his elbow hurt, or whatever. We'll replace you. But to not report to me what is wrong and then use an excuse you are hurt? You [bleepin'] put me in a position like that? I don't need those types of people. That's why his ass was out of here."

Ozzie on Juan Uribe:
“Uribe can't hit a guy who throws junk."

Random Ozzie:
“When I see Wally Joyner, Ken Caminiti and Jose Canseco talk about it, they make me puke."

"We have to apologize to the fans watching this thing because I'm tired of watching this day in and day out. ...Wow. You thought I was a good manager. Well, look at me now. I'm not that good. You're as good as your players are.”

Yeah...the Ozzie is quite the class act. I'm sure everyone wants to come play for him.

Just a show of hands, does anybody want to pitch for the sox??? Anybody? Ok just checking.

Ahaha, why the hell does no one want to pitch for the White Sox?

My question has been answered.

That's fine if players can't handle the truth. They can go play for a team that doesn't give a crap. All Ozzie and Kenny want to do is WIN. If players play hard and give it all the have Ozzie wont ever bring them up. Ozzie usually takes the blame for when things are going wrong. He always stands up for the team.
You have never seen a White Sox player reject to stay with the team and go and sign with another. Just look at Paul Konerko he rejected more money from the Angels and stayed with the Sox.

Posted by: platinum1 | May 31, 2009 at 08:23 PM

The truth has nothing to do with it. Ozzie can say all of those things behind closed doors to the players faces, and it's not the same issue. He doesn't do that though, he calls them out to the media. You claim that people are willing to take a disount to stay there...and use Konerko as an example. Konerko resigned right after they won a world series, Dye and Buerle didn't take a discount to stay. Who else re-upped at a discount? What free agents were loving the chance to play for Ozzie? They haven't had an impact signing from another organization since Ozzie's been there. People aren't lining up to play for Ozzie.

"American League, hitters park, weak offense, Ozzie Guillen."

It is a hitters park and is in the AL... but the Sox offense is anything but weak. They beat Grienke today. They often lead the AL in homers. If you would have said they can be streaky then I would agree

ask ANYONE, and that is the truth

An outside the box option may be Brandon Webb. If Webb comes back healthy before July 1st and can get 3-4 good starts. He is a ground ball pitcher so U.S. Cellular wouldn't be such an issue and he will only cost them 9million next year.

another option i think could be and should be matt cain from the san francisco giants

ok well you basically just said that you had no idea what you were talking about when you were saying that ozzie rips players through the media, so get that checked....If i was a good pitcher in the NL i wouldnt want to come play for the sox either, and it has NOTHING to do with Ozzie, i would see it as more of motivation to play well because he would be expecting the best out of me every 5 games, NL pitchers know that the cell is a hitters ballpark, everyone knows that, so why would a really good pitcher want to come here and have their numbers balloon up and ruin a potential free agent signing somewhere else after their contract is up? its a business and theres a lot of money to be had and they are thinking of that first and foremost

the only reason a guy like peavy would play for the yankees, red sox, cubs, or dodgers is simple...go to the yankees- because the yankees are the yankees; go to the red sox- because the red sox are the red sox; the cubs-because these guys are waiting for the 101 year streak to end and they want to be a part of it(which will not happen any time soon) and the dodgers-because peavy wants to stay on the west coast

"An outside the box option may be Brandon Webb. If Webb comes back healthy before July 1st and can get 3-4 good starts. He is a ground ball pitcher so U.S. Cellular wouldn't be such an issue and he will only cost them 9million next year."

Why would the Diamondbacks trade him at the deadline when his value will be at an all time low because he's been hurt for the first half of the season?

He will net MUCH more if they wait till the offseason (after he puts up a half season of Webb-like numbers), pick up his option, and then trade him.

"They haven't had an impact signing from another organization since Ozzie's been there."

Wrong. Jermaine Dye. AJ Pierzynski (when considering that he's a catcher).

And, they've brought in plenty of impact players (or guys who were supposed to be impact players) through trade over the years: Jim Thome, Nick Swisher, Javy Vazquez.

This isn't counting the young players (Danks, Floyd, Quentin) acquired by trade.

"Ahaha, why the hell does no one want to pitch for the White Sox?"

Didn't like...Mark Buehrle sign an extension to stay in Chicago through FA years? At below market value as well.

These players have full NTCs. Staying in Petco will help your numbers. Oswalt hasn't nixed any other deals yet nor stated specific preferences, so he just might not want to relocate to Chicago.

"You must be crazy if you don't think they accepted a discount. Buehrle could have gotten a longer contract with more money. There is no doubt about that. Same for Dye after hitting 40+ homers and a .315 avg in 06 he could have had a guaranteed 3 yr deal at 13-14 mil per when he signed his extension in 07. Not to mention since 06 or 05 he has lead all AL OF's in home runs. Let me repeat that, all AL OF's in home runs. He might look overpaid now since the market crashed but at the time of the signing he gave the sox a huge discount (2yr deal with an option for a 3rd @ 10mil,11mil and 12 mil option). Lets not forget, they did not recieve full no trade clauses, that seems to be a must in all contracts signed these days."

Those are below market rate, but they were reached before either of those guys reached the market. Buehrle started that season very poorly, and Dye was locked up with a full year remaining on his deal. Those discounts were as much about security as hometown (although I'm sure they both enjoy the Sox). Player's outside of the organization obviously see a problem with the team, and there is a good chance that it's Ozzie.

"So you're saying ozzie doesn't rip players to the media?"

Not really. At least not most of the players on his team. A few weeks ago he had a bunch of underperforming players... was he ripping on them? No.

We Sox fans on the other hand will let them have it if they deserve it.

Posted by: 815Sox | May 31, 2009 at 09:22 PM

Somehow I'd say calling a player fecal matter is ripping them. Saying a player can't hit trash is ripping them. Saying a player has no drive to compete is ripping them. Saying that his kids could play better is ripping them. Whether or not all of those things are true doesn't matter. Players outside the White Sox organization are going to see those quotes and not want to play for the guy.

All though I would love to see it happen it does not seem he will accept a trade to the Sox. What the hell is wrong with being a pitcher for the White Sox. Buerhle, Danks and Floyd fit in nicely in the A.L. If Olswalt is not going to accept this trade I would say mostly because he is scared to pitch here.

If the sox are in contention, Kenny will make a deal. The way they are paying right now, they are in contention and all they need is that 1 Piece in this puzzle to pretty much lock up this division.

haha, nice one.........on a different note, until somebody comes out and says, "I dont want to be traded because I dont want to play for Ozzie" then i will agree with you 86 Mets, but nobody has said that, and it wont happen because people are too scared to say it, for whatever reason

I'm not saying you are wrong but could you refresh my memory as to which players you are referring? Thanks

Posted by: Svengoolie | May 31, 2009 at 09:49 PM

Maggs- Piece of fecal matter

Vazquez - Doesn't have the drive to compete at the pro level

Vazquez - His kids could pitch better

Lee - Slides like his grandma is playing

Arod - Liar

Canseco, Caminitti - P.O.S.

Uribe - Can't hit trash

I don't think the astros move pence. I think there's a good chance tejada can be had without giving up Poreda or Beckham, but the astros won't include a young, talented, cost cotrolled player while rebuilding

everyone is saying oswalt said he won't OK a deal to the sox. My question is, where does it actually quote him actually saying he wouldn't accept a deal. Until a deal is made and he announces that he won't waive his no-trade clause, like peavy, it's all just speculation by everyone, including ortiz.

Also, 86 mets is ASSuming that peavy nixed it because of ozzie and that oswalt is too, assuming he would nix it.

You know what lantern you are 100% correct.

But why I am assuming he will say no is because the last 2 players the Sox have traded for with a FNTC said no (Carlos Delgado,Jake Peavy). Also when every possible sports website said peavy would say no.. guess what he said no.

86 Mets
He called maggs that after maggs made a comment about ozzie so he responded like anyone in their right mind would do
Vazquez- knew it was coming after he had been counted on for the last 6 starts of last season after ozzie told him how important his next 5-6 starts were going to be, and then continued to fail in the playoffs, and ozzie said it straight to his face, have you heard vazquez ever say anything back to the media EVER about it? no because he knew he had it comin....
Lee-again didnt say a word when it was said, i think that comment was more to be thought in a funny matter if i can remember
AROD-never played for the sox under ozzie
Canseco, Caminitti-Also never played for the white sox under ozzie, so thats all for nothing, basically calling them and arod how he sees them and not his players.
Uribe-knew it was true that he couldnt hit

Sven,

If Thome goes you gotta imagine the Sox doing something in free agency for a RF to replace Dye who would DH. So I dont see Allen really helping the Sox until 2011 and Tejada still has 4-5 solid years left in him. Plus Pence who still has a great career ahead of him.He and Tejada are solid defensively and with the bat in their hand.

I think it is an even deal on both sides, if not, another prospect going to the Astros from the sox.

Also, 86 mets is ASSuming that peavy nixed it because of ozzie and that oswalt is too, assuming he would nix it.

Posted by: greenlantern | May 31, 2009 at 10:08 PM

I'm not saying Ozzie is the only reason, but you can't discount him as a factor. Too many player's seem to have an aversion to playing for the Sox. I mentioned that there were other possible factor's in these guys decisions besides the DH they have to face. I mentioned the ballpark, and I mention Ozzie's media comments. Peavy and Oswalt both don't want to play there. Griffey was reluctant (although that may have been reluctance to move at all). I had forgotten about delgado, but he did nix a trade there. There's a pattern there, and you really have to wonder what's at the root of it.

Seth,

It is called rebuilding. Calm down. I doubt doubt he will go but the Astros need young talent and plenty of teams are more than willing to give it up for such a talented player.

For Maggs, he deserved everything Ozzie said about him, the way he tried to play the Sox for more money, and hide his injury/surgery. Even after he was hurt, the Sox offered him a lot of money and he declined. Then he publicly ripped the organization when he didn't get what he wanted.

Jay moronotti also deserved it. All he ever did was spew trash about the Sox, the organization and Ozzie, yet he was afraid to ever step foot in the ballpark. All the knowledge he got was second hand, and Ozzie called him out on it.

Neither of these two were innocent parties in any of it, in fact they started the fueds.

Peavy has said he would possibly approve a trade to the Sox later in the year if it is still available. He would rather not pitch in the AL which he has said numerous times, or at least I've heard said a ton of times. Plus the team he really wants to play for hasn't come calling again since the season started (Cubs). I don't know why Oswalt would say no, has he actually said no or is it speculation? Either way, who cares, if they don't want to come here, I wouldn't want them anyway. I think Delgado declined a trade because he didn't want to DH and I think that's what the Sox had expressed interest in doing. I think Ozzie is made out to be A LOT worse than he actually is through the media. The other Manager in town isn't any better, yet everyone wants to play for him.

"If Thome goes you gotta imagine the Sox doing something in free agency for a RF to replace Dye who would DH"

I think Dye is gone after this year too. I was picturing Allen at 1B and PK at DH. This is why I think they wanted Abreu but wouldn't sign him until they could move Dye, which they obviously couldn't do.

Just for the record, Jermaine Dye has been and underrated hitter for several years now.

86 Mets,

I'm pretty sure that when Ozzie "calls" out HIS players to the media, he never mentions them by name. Can people put 2 and 2 together, sure, but it's not like he specifically goes out and says "You know that Juan Uribe sure sucks at hitting breaking balls". The only one he may have called out by name is Vazquez. Usually Ozzie does his talking to inspire the team to play well, and after he called out Vazquez his next game he was dominant, then he fell back into his routine of not pitchign well in the clutch.

Like I said, Pinella calls out his players the same way Ozzie does, but it's funny that no one has a problem with him. I'm sure there are many other managers that do the same, but they don't get the national exposure that Guillen gets.

He is, though,a Type A free agent so if they do let him go there is an upside.

"For Maggs, he deserved everything Ozzie said about him, the way he tried to play the Sox for more money, and hide his injury/surgery. Even after he was hurt, the Sox offered him a lot of money and he declined. Then he publicly ripped the organization when he didn't get what he wanted."

"Jay moronotti also deserved it. All he ever did was spew trash about the Sox, the organization and Ozzie, yet he was afraid to ever step foot in the ballpark. All the knowledge he got was second hand, and Ozzie called him out on it."

The white sox were ordonez' employer. Ozzie is a part of Managment there. At no point is it appropriate to call an ex-employee a "piece of sh-t" to the media. It's just not appropriate. Take the high road, people actually respect that. The same goes with Mariotti. Nobody in the public seems to like or respect the guy, but what Ozzie said was unacceptable. Besides being offensive, he's representing the White Sox organization.