Giants Scouting V-Mart, Dye

Matt Cain and Rowland for Dye and Dotel

If the Giants really want somebody to provide some pop and not have that commitment of salary hanging over their heads that Dye does with his bad knees in huge Candlestick park, where cannot see him in the OF everyday anyway, why not make a play for the O's Aubrey Huff? he's got more RBI's and still has 10HR's on the year, decent 1B, strikes out very little and is at LEAST as good an all around player as Dye that would be available at more than likely far less cost.

Victor Martinez and Sabean equals Giants farm system raped.

I know this is kind of a jerk move, since he just resigned (ala B. Arroyo)

how about Roberts and Huff for Tim Alderson, Conor Gillespie, Brandon Crawford and Nick Noonan

"how about Roberts and Huff for Tim Alderson, Conor Gillespie, Brandon Crawford and Nick Noonan"

Throw in Villanova, Lincecum, and Willie Mays and the Orioles might do it.

"how about Roberts and Huff for Tim Alderson, Conor Gillespie, Brandon Crawford and Nick Noonan"

Decent, I think Gillespie is garbage however.

The Sox aren't in selling mode right now...plain and simple. Maybe by July 31st, things will change. But the sox are back to .500 and only 5 games out

MPM why wouldnt Dye be on the block?

Posted by: 661dodgerblue

Because the Sox are only 4 games behind Detroit and they play them 10 more times this season. Kenny won't be a seller at the deadline, he'll be a buyer.

Dumb comment about Drayton Moore. Do the Astros have the kind of pitching the Sox do?

The White Sox are second in the league in pitching but have struggled offensively and find themselves in 2nd place and playing well. Unless Williams is blown away, he's not trading his best offensive player. IF Quentin comes back there's no reason the Sox can't win the AL Central.

V-Mart Giants trade may have to look something like this to get it done.

Tim Alderson ( Center or the deal )and the #2 player Henry Sosa or Angel Villalona the #3 player in the deal Emmanuael Burriss that 1.5 season's on the cheap of V-Mart and the Indians Pay Victors contract the rest of this year.

The Giants -O’s trade package: Not a bad stab at things. Rex hit the most obvious thing. The only other problem I see is Crawford is really the only guy with any chance of be ready to push Renteria out of SS in the next year or so and that should still be an important item for the Giants. Renteria was always meant to be place holder he has not done anything this half season to change that plan.

“Victor Martinez and Sabean equals Giants farm system raped.”

Lol. No kidding!

Take possibly the most shrewd trading GM out there, give him a true star at a premium position on a cheap contract and put him up against one of the most questionable GMs you can find. What do you get? A recipe for comedy!

Have a list of the top six prospects in the Giants system? Remove two names and you could be looking at the ramifications felt.

It's pointless to say no trades. He always has to listen just in case there is that one that blows him away. It doesn't matter how liked the player is or what he's doing. If he's our top player at the time, then yes it will take a lot to pry him away. it all has to be weighed against each other. Kenny didn't get to where he is by being afraid to trade anything.

how about Roberts and Huff for Tim Alderson, Conor Gillespie, Brandon Crawford and Nick Noonan"

Awful, awful, awful deal for the Giants. I'm a huge Roberts fan, but a 32 year old who's signed for the next 3 years at 10MM per (not a bad deal, but I'd be careful).

It's a good deal right now, but I think it breaks even over the course of the deal.

His fielding is declining, and his #1 asset is his speed. If that declines, the O's are in trouble. And Huff is a 1B controlled for 1/2 a season.

Take out Alderson and it *might* fly.

How does that even make sense.

Aubrey Huff and Brain Roberts for Nick Noonan, Conor Gillespie and Brandon Crawford? I understand you may think the Orioles are rebuilding, but they have Matusz, Arrieta and Tillman within a year away. They are not trading for guys who are just in A-Ball.

Also his #1 Asset may be speed, averaging 40 SBs in the last three years. His #2 and #2a assets would be his 100+ runs, 180 hits a year and his 50 doubles a year.

They need to decide if they want a bat and try to make the playoffs this year or not.

If you think that when a call comes in for Holliday or Dye and they dont say well how is Tim Alderson for a starting point than tell me what people are looking for?

I like the fit of VMart to SF. Not to mention he would fit here much better then Dye who's shined in Chicago but tanked in Oakland. Thats most likely why he wants to stay. Still the Giants need a 2B unless they call up Frandsen or Burris. Ishikawa's glove has made up for his hitting but Sabean may lose patience on him.

The Giants dont want Sandoval catching at all. Especially with him pulling his hammy not too long ago. 3B is where he stays. Atkins is not an impact player he's a big risk. Huff is decent, he has dropped off a lot compared to earlier this year. Nick Johnson is injury prone and wont make up the lack of offense at SS, 2B all by himself. Jorge Cantu is good but the Fish always have high prices, the Giants could almost get VMart for the price of Cantu. Plus they Marlins are in the playoff race and have no interest in throwing in the towel just yet.

Victor Martinez makes sense for the Giants. As much as Molina is loved in the Bay, he is going to be a free agent and is getting up there in age. Acquiring VMart would mean that Molina should be moved or Ishikawa is DFA'D or moved in a package. The price is going to be hefty.
I don't understand Dye. White Sox are not currently out of it and don't appear to be drifting off, which would make them buyers as they always are. Plus he is exactly what Giants fans have been complaining about, an aging veteran with high salary. Then he has a mutual option next year....and Sabean would definitely pick it up if Dye hit anything decent.

The Giants are dealing from strength with all the pitching. Clubs are calling them now, desperate for it, not the other way around. Sabean is in the drivers seat. The emergence of Sheirholtz, Uribe at 2B, Ishi starting to come around, has them in a very enviable position.

Brian Sabean has actually made some good trade deadline deals when we have been in playoff contention
the last being 2005 when we got Randy Winn for Torrealba and Foppert and Winn had a monster second half that year

another good one was in 2002 when we made it to the World Series we got Kenny Lofton at the deadline and he was clutch for us

Im not saying Sabean is a great GM or even a very good one but he's not a complete idiot either

Sabean not good? Must be why he's probably the busiest GM in MLB right now fielding offers for his Pitching...

As has been said... Sabean is great at evaluating talent and awful when it comes to signing FA's and making trades. As a Giants fan I have absolutely no faith in Sabean dealing players. Because of this I would prefer the Giants stay the course and go after some players that won't require them to part with any of their young prospects like Bumgarner, Alderson, Villalona, or Posey. If Sabean can get someone like Cantu, Uggla, Johnson, etc without giving up any of the aforementioned players then I say do it. If not, then keep the farm system intact and go after some big FA bats in the next few offseasons while Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner, Alderson, Sandoval, Posey, Villalona, Schierholtz develop.

"JT...evaluating talent goes hand in hand with making trades. You're way off base in having no faith in Sabean."

Let me correct myself.. Sabean is great at evaluating HS and college prospects. You are in the minority if you think that Sabean has made good trades and FA signings. Has he made a few decent deals? Of course. As the saying goes, "The sun can shine on a dogs ass any day." He has fleeced Pittsburg, but outside of that his trades are suspect, and his FA signings have been awful.

All told, he should be the scouting director, but he should be removed from his GM duties.

Why does anyone bring up Villalona. He is honestly a 19 year old kid in A ball. He is hitting well, but he wont see a MLB field for 2 years minimum. So if you want to wait for him go ahead, but the time frames are wrong. Lincecum and Cain will be last year, by time he is up here.

"And no offense but it's not hard to imagine his numbers increasing with a move to the NL, particularly the NL west."

Say whatever you want about the hitting in the NL West, but it may have the best pitching of any division in baseball and some of the best pitchers parks too....it IS pretty hard to see V-Marts numbers getting a big spike with the move. I don't think anyone meant that Martinez's bat didn't translate to 1B at all, just that its not a truly elite bat there like it is at catcher and thus probably not worth giving up Alderson AND another one or two of the Giants top 6-7 prospects.

A dye for rowand deal would solve the sox centerfield problems with quentin coming off the DL. both sides would benefit and it would allow the sox to keep podsednik in the lineup