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The Angels would love to add a front-of-the-rotation starter like Roy Halladay and they're looking hard for relief help, according to Mike DiGiovanna of the LA Times. Acquiring relievers may be easier than obtaining a top starter, because, as Torii Hunter says, "If they're shopping Roy Halladay, everybody and their momma is going to be after him."
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Alright. The Angels are one farm I know almost nothing about... What is their best offer for Halladay?
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | July 08, 2009 at 10:15 AM
How about the mets bullpen arms no point in keeping them, only for next year, pedro fecliano and brian stokes can they command a decent prospect
Posted by: beastOftheEast | July 08, 2009 at 10:19 AM
I read they're deep on SS and C and that's about it. but i don't know anything specific either.
maybe they package wood, napoli, and three others with their respective mommas
Posted by: Baseball@Europe | July 08, 2009 at 10:19 AM
Capps possibly? There could be a potential fit because the Pirates need middle infielders, but the Pirates might ask a lot for him.
Posted by: Ian Smell | July 08, 2009 at 10:27 AM
"Alright. The Angels are one farm I know almost nothing about... What is their best offer for Halladay?"
They can't make one without giving up one of Saunders, Napoli or Weaver, which they won't do.
They don't have the top level talent in the farm system to put together an offer for Halladay using prospects alone.
Posted by: melonis rex | July 08, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Braves should call and offer Vasquez and Soriano/Gonzalez and see how big of a return they could get
Posted by: csg | July 08, 2009 at 10:45 AM
Can Kendry Morales play the outfield ?
Posted by: tsweet9000 | July 08, 2009 at 10:52 AM
This is a farm system that has dipped in the last few years. Just 2-3 years ago this system was probably #1 or #2 in baseball. The reason for the dip is really just due to successful promotions. Baseball concerns are the least of what makes it so tragic but the Adenhart tragedy really hurts because he headlined a wave of promising MLB-ready prospects. Due to that and a rash of injuries they've had to dip a little deeper than usual out of necessity this year. That being said, the Angels like the Dodgers have a track record of finding and replenishing the system quickly. For Halladay, at this moment, I think there are other clubs who have more to offer.
Posted by: basemonkey | July 08, 2009 at 10:52 AM
CSG,
i was thinking Gonzo from ATL as well, but not JV. I was really intersted in Juan Rivera and have posted a couple times before about trying to acquire him. LF who is RH with some power and signed for one more year.
Posted by: thedeuce | July 08, 2009 at 10:54 AM
If the Braves, Os, Giants, Rangers, Rays, or As are interested, they have the elite talent capable of pulling off a deal for Halladay. Unfortunately most of those clubs are pretty much on the rebuilding side of things. It seems like every club reportedly interested in Halladay just don't have the talent.
The Braves are pretty much rebuilding, right? The division is competitive but they've invested a bunch into developing much of their current rising crop. It's hard to imagine that they cash in on Heyward and/or Hanson already considering how patient they've been. They have strong depth behind them but, it's still hard to imagine them depleting that depth.
Posted by: basemonkey | July 08, 2009 at 10:58 AM
What is Brandon Wood's value around the league right now? He seems to have lost his luster as a top prospect, but should still be a solid SS.
I would love a deal involving Wood for Manny Delcarmen, depending who else would have to be added on either side. Bard would not get traded for Wood.
Posted by: TradeYouk | July 08, 2009 at 10:59 AM
I would think Napoli/Aybar/Wood/Bell/Bourjos would get it done.
Posted by: kinsler5 | July 08, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Sure would be nice to add another arm. Lackey has been outright bad for a year now. While that's good in some ways (his price will be significantly discounted in the off-season if the Angels resign) he is no longer that top front of the rotation type of a guy.
I had issues with the Santana extension this off-season and that's coming back to bite us. Saunders started off strong but has been awful the last few months. Weaver is drifting back to 3/4 starter. Escobar is nowhere to be found even though he was throwing 95MPH in extended Spring.
Point is, I don't trust any one of our starters right now. The Angels need a big time starter.
However, as Melonis Rex pointed out, we just don't have the names to make a trade. Lack of talent at AAA is a killer. No way would I move Weaver/Santana/Saunders + another 3 or 4 top prospects for a single pitcher.
Posted by: bjsguess | July 08, 2009 at 11:01 AM
I would trade any member of the Reds bullpen for Brandon Wood.
Posted by: schellis | July 08, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Brandon Wood's always benefitted from playing in the best hitters parks in the minors. I think in a system like the Angels that values fundamentals, situational hitting, and defense, they never promoted him because other aspects of Wood's game weren't compelling enough to start over other inhouse options. It says tons that they went with Aybar who was about the same age who has much less power but more glove, arm, speed, and contact ability. Wood strikesout a ton. Most might say on any other team he could be a Uggla type at a premum defense position, and, you'd take the strikeouts with the big HR totals. The problem with that might be that his basic contact ability is suspect.
Posted by: basemonkey | July 08, 2009 at 11:12 AM
"signed for one more year."
He's signed through 2011.
Posted by: BravesRed | July 08, 2009 at 11:23 AM
"The problem with that might be that his basic contact ability is suspect."
Greatly improved this year. 56 K's in 264 AB's. Similar rate to most of the Angels starters including Figgins,Abreu,Hunter,Morales,Hunter,Kendrick,Mathis,Napoli
Posted by: kinsler5 | July 08, 2009 at 11:28 AM
I second the Reds comment. I'd be willing to deal any reliever + a decent prospect for Brandon Wood. He perfectly fills our SS need.
Posted by: El_Duderino | July 08, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Brandon Wood is the best SS in the minors, despite the fact that he plays in a hitter's park. Over half the stadiums in the bigs are hitters parks, Salt Lake City is no different. Right now, given a full year in the bigs he'd be a .260 30 DB 30 HR SS with average range, above average glove and very good arm.
Just because the Angels like to play small ball, and prefer a toolsy defender like Aybar over the power threat that is Wood, doesn't mean other teams will. For those who still think he K's a lot, check out his stats in AAA this year. Even in the midst of a slump he's still batting over .310 18 DB and 15 HR. He's taking the ball to all fields, he works the count and since they don't make him steal bases, you'd never know that he could also swipe 20 bags a year.
Think Dan Uggla, but faster, with better defense and a better BA.
Posted by: Scott | July 08, 2009 at 11:38 AM
In order to get Halladay, the Angels would have to part with their middle infield, catching and pitching depth. They have a 20 year old catcher, Hank Conger, who is on pace for .280 20 HR in the biggest pitcher's park and league in all minor league baseball. He'll be MLB ready by age 22 and projects as a .290 30 HR catcher with good defense eventually, as he is leading all AA catchers in errors/pass balls.
The middle infield depth that would be dealt would of course be Brandon Wood. The Angels love Aybar and won't deal him, and have done everything possible to hold back Wood until they are ready for him, unfortunately they can't anymore, now every team in baseball knows about him. He'll be an all-star in a year or two.
As far as pitching, the Angels have two premium pitching prospects in 21 year old Jordan Walden (John Lackey clone with triple digit fastball) and 19, just turned 20 year old lefty Trevor Reckling. Both in AA, Reckling has a 2.50 ERA and is ready for AAA or the bigs already.
There aren't many teams, if any, that will top an Angel offer of Wood, Conger, Reckling and Walden for Halladay. The problem is that the Angels love their prospects too much and wouldn't deal their farm which is seen as he lifeline of the organization. Their minor league system has always been a top 5 annually, the fact that it's 25 this year has a lot to do with churning out players (Rodriguez, Wood, Kendrick, Kotchman, Aybar, Santana, Weaver, Saunders, Figgins, Izturis, Napoli) and refreshing the system and having to deal with a media East Coast bias that extends into prospecting circles. Scouts don't actually pay any attention to baseball america, that's just for fans and chances are, someone in the Angels organization pissed off the wrong guy, who just so happens to make that list, or he happens to be a Red Sox, Yankees, Rangers or A's fan.
Posted by: Scott | July 08, 2009 at 11:49 AM
The Angels would have to be literally insane to deal Wood for a middle reliever like Delcarmen. Don't get me wrong, Delcarmen is good, and so are some of the Reds relievers, but we're talking about a kid who is going to be one of the top 5 offensive SS for the next 10 years. Brandon Wood in Fenway would equal 40 HR a year from the SS position. If Wood is dealt, it would either be for top of line young pitching like Clay Bucholtz or Bowden.
If Boston wants a shortstop for Masterson or Delcarmen, they can have Aybar or Izturis.
Posted by: Scott | July 08, 2009 at 11:55 AM
I think the angels have the most to deal when it comes to this trade. brandon wood (even though right now he is just riding his hype from his minor league stats), sean rodriguez. And i wouldnt be surprised if they threw in some arms like a moseley or a bulger in the mix. but secretly hoping on them dumping Gary Matthews Jr freeing up the out field and allowing more at bats for rivera
Posted by: derfnabac | July 08, 2009 at 11:57 AM
“Greatly improved this year. 56 K's in 264 AB's. Similar rate to most of the Angels starters including Figgins,Abreu,Hunter,Morales,Hunter,Kendrick,Mathis,Napoli”
Deceiving. His Walk rate also dropped to 8.3% from 10% the last three years. He looks to just be swinging the bat more, and the .344 BAbip coupled with the park is making his Batting Line look much better then it is. His contact rate is basically the same as it has ever been.
Posted by: SuzysMan | July 08, 2009 at 12:28 PM
If anyone here is trying to convince me that Wood's contact rate is the same as Figgins or Aybar or Kendricks then they're just crazy. Wood is a power hitter. Those guys are line drive and slashers. The problem with Wood's HRs is that he is an uppercut artist. You'd have more confidence in his minorleague numbers standing up if his homers were line drive HRs.
Saying he's a slightly better glove and faster than Uggla is like saying "for dog poo, this tastes pretty good." I'm joking but I'm not saying Wood is a bad glove. It just so happens that Aybar is a stellar glove and faster player. At 3B Figgins has proven to be very underrated and in my opinion a possible GG-caliber type (Yes, you heard it here. He's very good). I'm not saying Wood is a liability at defense, but it's quite another to say he supplants top level gloves that the Angels have.
For me personally, he deserves to play over many of the SS/3Bs out there. But the contact rate and K/BB ratios will suppress his effectiveness.
Posted by: basemonkey | July 08, 2009 at 12:45 PM
"For me personally, he deserves to play over many of the SS/3Bs out there. But the contact rate and K/BB ratios will suppress his effectiveness."
He cant supplant good-glove utility types like Aybar and Izturis in Anaheim, obviously his own manager feels like you do. Talented yes. Amazing prospect, no. Much more hype then anything else, not unlike all the other Angels hitting prospects we have seen over the last 5-10 years.
Posted by: SuzysMan | July 08, 2009 at 01:28 PM
I just think Scoscia is a guy who insists his players to make fundamental plays. Hit the cut off man, hit the other way, move runners over, go from 1st to 3rd, put the ball in play, hustle, etc. Wood has tools and raw gifts but he just isn't that kind of player. He's a dead red pull-happy SS. At least with the other sluggers Scoscia has had they were capable of making consistent contact.
Posted by: basemonkey | July 08, 2009 at 03:16 PM
To put this into perspective, it's very infrequent when you see 100+ strikeout sluggers in the Angels lineup under Scoscia. If you do see them, like Salmon, they were there before Scosica became manager.And once Scoscia got there, the playing time of those sluggers started to decline. I think Wood has always been caught in some strange limbo between org philosophy and unwillingness to trade him to another club.
Posted by: basemonkey | July 08, 2009 at 03:23 PM
Anyone that thinks Wood is a deadred pull hitter doesn't know what they are talking about in reference to Wood. He's one of the rare Angels prospects that can use the entire field and work a count.
You are right however, that Wood is stuck in an organizational limbo. He'll be a successful major leaguer, without a doubt there are much less talented starting SS an 3B in major league baseball right now. It's just a matter of being in the wrong organization with no willingness to trade him.
Posted by: Scott | July 08, 2009 at 03:44 PM
I don't argue with you that Wood can hit the opposite field with power but I've seen him go into homer happy streaks where he pulls everything in the minors. It may be just an adjustment thing, I remember being impressed with the easy power he seemed to have, but he struck me as a pull guy. That being said, once he spent time in Scocia's clubhouse, and he sees what approaches get playing time, he may have been changing his approach over the last couple years. But we can go back and forth on this forever. Either way I remember seeing him in a All-Star or Futures game in the minors with Nick Markakis, and those two took over the spotlight. At that time Wood's stock was muuuch higher than Nick's and it seemed like Wood was going to reach the bigs that year. I think it was the season he hit around 40 HRs at SS.
It's just downright amazing that his performance has been suppressed because of an org thing.
Posted by: basemonkey | July 08, 2009 at 07:05 PM
I dont understand why the angels wont trade Jeff Mathis. Napoli is way better.
When they get healthy Guerrero should be the DH. The Angels also need to get a shortstop , a second baseman and a first baseman.
Posted by: dodgersrule99 | July 17, 2009 at 10:48 PM