Marlins In Serious Talks For Heath Bell

Andrew Miller for Heath Bell would be a solid move for the Marlins IMO.

who closes for the Padres after this? anyone know? doesn't appear to be a deep bullpen..

adams is my guess

That'd be a nice deal for both teams IMO.

I think it will take a little more than Andrew Miller or Sean West to get the deal done though maybe another mid level prospect.

Andrew Miller is a mess, but if there's any place for a pitcher to get straightened out, it's San Diego. I remember hearing that he's sacrificed velocity to try and add movement, not sure if I like that because pretty much all of his potential was his velocity. It would probably be a good deal for both teams, but I'm not sure if Miller is enough.

If i'm the Marlins i'm trying to steer away from West and sell Miller to them as much as I can. Even if it would cost that mid level prospect. From what i've seen West looks to have a brighter future.

BTW DID ANYONE JUST SEE THE BREAKING NEWS ON SPORTSCENTER??!?!?
BTW DID ANYONE JUST SEE THE BREAKING NEWS ON SPORTSCENTER??!?!?

Manny and David Ortiz both tested positive for steroids in 2003. I always just thought Ortiz was fat. Apparently he was on roids the entire time.

Manny and David Ortiz both tested positive for steroids in 2003. I always just thought Ortiz was fat. Apparently he was on roids the entire time.

Andrew Miller is a bum why would you not give that clown up for Heath Bell

Because Miller is extraordinarily talented and the Marlins lack a #5 starter right now as it is.

Obviously the Fish reject that deal. Miller or West for Bell would be a steal for the Padres.

yea Florida's cycle to when a World Series is about up its about time to cut costs. Peace out Uggla, Hanley, Hermida

some people on these things are so ignorant, wildcat prob a nats fan.

Who in the world cares about the lowly Padres

It seems like the Marlins are far too intelligent an organization to do something as stupid as moving Miller or West for Bell. Why do you guys even feed wildcats08? The more you feed him the more he keeps coming back. Click his handle and read his recent posts. They have no substance to them, they all consist of something like....
"a Nats rumor? Who cares about the Nats?" Troll stuff.

Loving how the Fish are in on Bell and Sherrill (and apparently they called about Halladay!).

No way on West for Bell, and I don't like Miller for Bell. Miller was the second piece of the Cabrera-to-Tigers trade and trading him now is selling low to buy high on a closer for two seasons. He's still got a tremendous ceiling...let's remember lots of young pitchers start off with control problems.

I have no idea why the Marlins are such in hot pursuit of a closer. Right the Marlins bullpen is one of their strengths. If ur gonna trade one of your top prospects get a starter or a hitter.

"I would trade Miller for Bell in a heartbeat. And how cool would it be to have Hells Bells playing in Landshark Stadium. I hope we make this deal so a 3 run 9th inning lead is actually safe. It sure isn't with Lindstrom"

First of all, I doubt I would give up on a huge lefty power arm less then 2 years after moving your best player for him. The guy still has ace potential. Also, Hells Bells was Hoffmans song. I think Bell has some other song with a pun on Bells in the title. I can't think of the name right now I will try to find it.

"Better be West and hopefully one or two others. Miller is garbage."

Haha. Consider yourself extremely lucky if you get Miller for Bell. San Diego is an awful team, they don't need a closer. They don't even want to pay Peavy, and Bell is going to get expensive next year. Keep him, he is not going to help the Pads win.

Why would I feel lucky to get Miller? He is totally erratic and has zero control. I am pretty sure the Padres could get someone a lot better than him for Bell.

"but moving to SD would give him a Grand Canyon to work with." - who cares how much of a pitcher's park it is if he can't find the plate?

no matter what, it isn't gonna be him. he is hurt and won't be dealt. shoot, guess i am not gonna consider myself lucky.

1. I'm a Marlins fan and I'm hoping that if it HAS to be either Miller or West being traded, I'd prefer it being Miller.

2. Would love to see Bell close for the fish cause he HATES the Mets just like I do.

3. If you hadnt already put the piecies to the puzzle together about David Ortiz by now, they you need to get some common sense.

4. wildcats08 = idiot

Miller doesn't turn 25 until May of next year, and he posted a 4.00 FIP last season and he has a 4.20 mark this year.

He's already a solid starter even if his command is inconsistent. A 6-6, young athletic lefty with multiple pitches shouldn't be moved for a good closer from the biggest pitchers park in the easier league that's about to hit arbitration.

"- How does having inconsistent command translate into being a good starter? a losing record in his two previous seasons in MLB along with an average 5 ERA is nothing special, not even solid."

He isn't saying that incosistent command translates to being a good starter. He is saying that despite his command, he still has been a solid starter, who was a very highly touted amateur player, and who is a 6'6 power lefty with all the tools of a guy capable of becoming an ace. He just turned 24 years old. You have to be very careful moving a guy like that. You don't want to look back in 4 years and realize you trade Randy Johnson for Heath Bell.

If I were a Padre fan, I would be thrilled with a Miller for Bell deal. I guess in a vacuum it could wor for Florida, because they hakve loads of young pitching and Miller seems expendable, but I am not comfortable taking a guy as 50 percent of a bounty for Miguel Cabrera, and then giving up on him a year later to get Heath Bell. No way.

"- How does having inconsistent command translate into being a good starter? a losing record in his two previous seasons in MLB along with an average 5 ERA is nothing special, not even solid."

Miller is 24. He's younger than the vaunted Clay Buchholz and only a few months older than David Price.

Miller for Bell is an awful, awful deal for the Marlins.

1. Heath Bell is very good, yes, but he's still having a career year. And, relievers fluctuate.

2. Saves = overrated. This is a buy high for the Fish.

3. So many low level/failed SP prospects have been converted into decent relievers. Giving up a top SP prospect for a good reliever makes zero sense.

Hell, I'd rather stick whoever the odd man out/6th starter in the rotation is, whether it be Miller or someone else, in the pen and let him share the closer's job with Meyer.

"Saves are over rated"

WOW.. really? Last time I checked pitching wins and you need a dominant closer to close out BB games!

Closers are VERY important!

"Heath Bell is very good, yes, but he's still having a career year. And, relievers fluctuate."

Actually bell had a better year in 2007...

ERA + / WHIP / BB/SO
2007 = 200 / 0.961 / 3.40
2009 = 186 / 1.066 / 3.2

"Do I think the Padres could get someone better for Bell? Yes."

See I disagree.

Bell is a closer with a two-year timeline to FA. He's worth 4 WARP at best. In contrast, teams are valuing young starters highly (see: Phils keeping Happ and Drabek, Sox keeping Buchholz) so you can't expect a guy like that for 2 years of Bell.

Also, nrmax's "solid starter" comment was based on FIP analysis. He's been around 4-4.2 since last year, and that qualifies as solid, back-of-the-rotation stuff. He's struggled this year with an injury and a new delivery, so I'd argue mechanics are to blame.

"Bell is a closer with a two-year timeline to FA. He's worth 4 WARP at best. In contrast, teams are valuing young starters highly (see: Phils keeping Happ and Drabek, Sox keeping Buchholz) so you can't expect a guy like that for 2 years of Bell."

Look up the trade the Dodgers just made for George Sherrill. Bell is better than him. If the O's can get two players in guys like Bell (who was rated 8th in LA's system) and Johnson (very good numbers this year in A and AA), than the Padres should get a better haul in return for Bell. Does Miller equal or better the return value of Johnson + Bell? I am not sure.

I KNEW THAT ANDREW MILLER WAS GOING TO GET TRADED WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN AFTER ONLY TWO BAD STARTS HE WAS OFF TO THE MINORS. HOW HAS BEING IN THE MINORS EVEN HELPING HIM AND NOW HE GETS INJURED? I HAVE BEEN WATCHING ANDREW MILLER SINCE HIS DAYS WITH THE TARHEELS AND HE DOES HAVE A LOT OF TALENT AND FLORIDA WOULD BE FOOLISH NOT TO KEEP HIM AND DEVELOP HIS TALENT SOME MORE, BUT IF THEY DO TRADE HIM, LET HIM GO TO A TEAM THAT IS IN THE HUNT FOR THE WORLD SERIES AND NOT JUST SOME TEAM LIKE THE PADRES. THEY ARE NOT EVEN IN THE HUNT. HE DESERVES BETTER. I LIKE HIM A LOT AND NO MATTER WHERE HE GOES THEY ARE GETTING A GREAT PERSON AND PITCHER. IT WOULD BE SAD IF THEY LET HIM GO. LOVE YA, ANDREW!!!

Hey, ummm DEBBIE....there is a button on the left side of your keyboard that says CAPS LOCK...try giving it a push.

Andrew Miller is throwing around 90 MPH this year, not that impressive for a youngster who's supposed to have electric stuff. He's lost a ton of velocity off his fastball and slider the past few seasons. It may have given him better control, but it's not like he has pinpoint control so he should just try and harness his stuff. Looks like a garden variety lefty to me.