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Tim Hudson Still Hopes To Remain In Atlanta

2:34pm: O'Brien and MLB.com's Mark Bowman have more comments from Hudson.

WEDNESDAY, 10:38am: O'Brien spoke to Hudson, who termed Rosenthal's portrayal a misunderstanding.  Hudson still hopes to work out a multiyear extension with the Braves.

TUESDAY: Braves pitcher Tim Hudson is expected to choose free agency "barring a last-minute, knockout offer from the Braves," according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.  Rosenthal says the Braves are likely to exercise their half of Hudson's $12MM mutual option for 2010, but Hudson would rather decline his side and seek a larger guarantee.  Hudson is projected to fall just short of Type B status, and if that holds up there would be no point to an arbitration offer.

Back on September 24th, ESPN's Jayson Stark found it "all but certain" that Hudson would return to the Braves next year.  Earlier that month Hudson told MLB.com's Mark Bowman he'd be glad if the Braves picked up the option.  Dave O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution wrote that Hudson and his wife had "put down roots" in the Atlanta area.  What changed in the last few weeks?

I'm not sure Hudson is judging the market correctly.  He recovered from August 2008 Tommy John surgery to make seven starts this year, posting a 3.61 ERA.  He'd be turning down one year and $12MM for perhaps two years and $16MM guaranteed on the open market (my best guess).  On the other hand, Dave Cameron of FanGraphs believes the market will value Hudson more highly than that.


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Who is going to give him more than $12mil right now? He's 34 and fresh off arm surgery. Seems like that $12mil option would be a great way to audition for a 3-4 year deal starting in 2011.

Wow.... not a smart move by the Braves to exercise it (should just offer an extension) and definitely not a smart move not to take it on Huddy. I'm shocked both ways lol.

He will resign with the Braves for 3 years 27MM.

Sounds like he just wants out of ATL to me.

i agree YankFan. i'm thinking he'd rather sign for less to play in Boston and try to win a ring.

@YankFan: Hudson and his wife are very involved in the Atlanta community. He just built a dream home outside of Atlanta.

http://hudsonfamilyfoundation.com/

Security isn't just financial, maximizing your per annum contract value. With his track record and late season success, I'd be surprised if he's not able to get at least 3 years guaranteed. In fact, I would be surprised to see him get 4/40 with a limited no-trade. With cash flows down, teams are going to have to use years and no-trades as their incentives.

The Orioles should be all over him in FA.

I can't think of a better guy (besides Lackey) to lead that staff and mentor the younger pitchers.

@dannyd

yeah he did the exact same thing in oakland.

Since Huddy is a 10-5 player, he can vote any trade.

So why would he be worried about being signed and then traded?

i agree YankFan. i'm thinking he'd rather sign for less to play in Boston and try to win a ring.
Posted by: charliescrabbles | October 13, 2009 at 04:29 PM
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Lol @ that. But seriously, I don't see him getting too much money on the market. 12 million definite? Why would he turn that down if he didn't want to see where else he could end up. Then again, Rosenthal could be full of it.

Comon people, it's Rosenthal. He will be back in ATL next year with a nice three year extention. Other sources have reported his and the Braves desire to do so and I bet all this is is Huddy's agent trying to drive up the need for a third non-option year.

I'll be shocked if he gets more than $12m on the open market. That's just way too much risk for a guy coming off major surgery.

I thought the Mets should sign Hudson, but then it sounded like he might just stick with Atlanta. Now that he might be a Free Agent, the Mets should look into him instead of Piniero. I've stated before that Piniero is worthless without Duncan. For some reason I don't see the Mets getting Duncan, so I think Hudson would be a good option as an experienced veteran. If he's cheaper then Marquis, he should be a Met.

Santana
Lackey
Hudson/Piniero/Marquis
Pelfrey
Perez

Thoughts?

Any rotation with Perez = 30 guaranteed losses? I agree, the Mets should look into yet another 34 year old broken arm (cough, Pedro) except this time Minaya won't because Hudson isn't Latin-born.

Heh.

That's funny. You think the Mets are going to sign Lackey?

Listening to alot of Boomer and Carton ;)

Boston does not go out and sign the rehab pitcher they sign every year to any kind of 12M deal, much less one that would have a guy like Hudson as the highest paid starter on the team that includes Beckett and lester. if Hudson thinks Boston would offer more than 5-6M, then his is figuring as wrong as ARod did a couple years ago, when he thought Boston had any interest in him after Rodriquez declared himself a FA also.

Hudson may want to rethink his situation before declining that 12M option, just because lackey is the only good FA starter available via FA this year, he is also healthy.

Rosenthal is a d-bag and his opinion is worth about what mine is in Atlanta--not jack shyt.

This is just posturing prior to negotiations that will begin after the WS. I say Huddy is back with the Braves for 3 years/$25M or 2 years with a mutual option at $18M.

No way he gets more than $12 million on the market. He'll turn 35 middle of next season and has a injury history. I know it was a small sample size but all his numbers went up. For the first time since 2006 he gave up more hits than innings pitched. His walk rate was up and his hit rate was up.
His age is going to be his biggest drawback. He won't get over 3 years or over $9 million a year.

Good point on the 10 and 5 rights, I updated the post.

I thought to be 10 and 5 you had to be in the same league for 10 years and on the same MLB team for 5.... or am I just wrong?

He's only 10/5 if he stays in Atlanta. Otherwise, he'd want a no trade.

Indeed, what DID change over the last few weeks? I thought for sure Hudson & the Braves were on the same page regarding him staying in Atlanta. I don't see anything in Rosenthal's article to indicate he talked to Hudson so where is this coming from?

@YankFan: Hudson and his wife are very involved in the Atlanta community. He just built a dream home outside of Atlanta.

http://hudsonfamilyfoundation.com/

Posted by: dannyd | October 13, 2009 at 04:32 PM

Ummm... pitching someplace else doesn't mean he can't go back.

Here's the thing about rich people: they have a lot of houses!

He can't go anywhere else.

It's not like there are other players who have a permanent residence outside of where they play.

Also a guy like Hudson has got a really long career in front of him. He wouldn't dare consider living somewhere else for the next 3-4 years and then return to his dream home.

/sarcasm

he is going to sign a 3 year extension for less money to stay with the braves so they can pursue a right-handed power bat like bay or holliday

I'm calling bullshit on Rosenthal. All he has is an "inside source" with no definite quotes. We've heard from Braves' brass and Hudson himself for almost a year that 1) the Braves want him back 2) Hudson wants to come back and might even be willing to take a discount.

Its just Rosenthal trying to make a headline.

The dream home he is building is next door to Frank Wren. He goes no where. He signs a three year extension for $24M - $27M. That will allow Atlanta some flexibility to get a bat in the outfield and re-sign LaRoache. On the other hand, that Lowe contract is a problem...

This is SUCH BS. Dont believe a word of it. Timmy comes back on a 3 year deal.

Unless he thinks this is his last chance to get a multi-year deal, I don't see a reason for Hudson to turn down a guaranteed $12m for 2010.

I think Rosenthal is wrong about this one.

*


Tim Hudson rhp
4 years/$47M (2006-09), plus 2010 option

* 4 years/$47M (2006-09), plus 2010 option
o signed extension with Atlanta 3/3/05
o $10M signing bonus
o 06:$4M, 07:$6M, 08:$13M, 09:$13M, 10:$12M CLUB OPTION ($1M buyout)

ken rosenthal is a little sleazebag. most of what he says is either completely erroneous or just sensationalized guesses.

i feel a little less confident in mlb trade rumors for giving a headline that does not have any sort of merit, whatsoever. i understand that its "mlb trade RUMORS", but still, this makes me like the site that much less.

Hi I'm a Typical Met's fan and I think we should sign Hudson on a 9 yr 8 1/2 Million deal. he would be a great #5 starter for us and later on, pitching coach. this along with my other expecte dsigning would have our rotation looking like this:

Santana
Halladay (via trade for Luis Castillo and some single player with potential)
Beckett (trade involving Ptbnl's)
Lackey (5 years 10 Mil)
Hudson.

Add that to our impending deals of Pujols (for futrue considerations and Jeff Francouer (Cards eat some salary)

Along with us adding Chone figgins (for bench depth)
and Mat Holliday (platoon Lf with the newly signed Manny Ramirez) and I think we area a lock for World Series.

Thoughts?

He'll be back just wait... He said himself he wants to stay in Atlanta and that he would take a hometown discount. He is just waiting for them to offer a multi year offer. He said he wants to stay with Atlanta because of the young talent they have. He wouldn't build a home there right outside Atlanta this past year to sign and live somewhere else. Think about it haha. Its common since. He is more involved with the community of Atlanta than any other braves player and loves it there.

Forgot to mention we also need to get Mauer for a futre 2012 lottery protected 1st rounder. also.

Lets all just see what Atlanta's office has in store for 2010 as far as signings go... I wouldn't e surprise to see them drop a little extra cash due to Bobby's last year. Left fielder(Nelson Cruz), Closer(Fernando Rodney) and one other bullpen guy... That is my predictions...

This is just posturing prior to negotiations that will begin after the WS. I say Huddy is back with the Braves for 3 years/$25M or 2 years with a mutual option at $18M.

Posted by: Nosepicker Eeyore Cox | October 13, 2009 at 05:20 PM

Please explain how that would be a good deal for Hudson? If he gives up 12 mill next season for 3 yr/25 it's like signing for 12mill/6mill/6mill. Why wouldn't he rather play for 1 yr./12 then hit the open market where if he has a good season could get 3/27mill?

^Unless deep down he either a, doesn't think he's going to be healthy so he's just screwing over a team, or b, he really needs that extra 12 mill guranteed...which I find highly doubtful he's made alot of cash during his career.

Yeah, I strongly doubt this.

Sounds a lot like Rosenfail just trying to stir the pot to me.

This just confirms what we've all suspected that major media writers like Rosenthal and Stark literally just make stuff up. But anyway if Hudson did decline his option, that would be great for the Braves. They could then move on and sign Vasquez to an extension instead who is a better bet to stay healthy and pitch well the next couple of years and use the money that would have gone to Hudson's salary to re-sign Adam Laroche. Go ahead -- make our day, Timmy!

Because if Hudson really has to work near his dream home then he'll give up the 12 mil this yr for a few extra years and a lower salary in 2010 helps out the Braves and gives Hudson more of a long term committment

Hudson will be a Brewer in 2010.

Take it to the bank. He will be re-united with a former manager in Ken Macha, and a former pitching coach, Rick Peterson who is a virtual certainty to be named pitching coach.

Melvin is on record as saying the Brewers are ready to aggressively (re: risk overpaying) pursue a veteran coming off an injury. Melvin has lamented for months the Brewer staff high HR rate and inability to go deep. Hudson is a ground ball machine, and has topped 218 innings 5 times.

Brewers offered Sabathia a ton last offseason. They have the money, the need and Hudson's a perfect fit.

Braves have too many starters. Lowe would be the best to move to make room for Hudson, but moving Lowe for anything other than another teams problem would be difficult.

"Misunderstanding" or just full blown fantasy. I've never been a fan of Rosenthal, but this is just incredibly unprofessional.

rosenthal is a doucher.

Anyone who thinks Huddy is going to bolt is either not familiar with the Braves organization, the Hudson family, or neither--both sides are loyal to a fault, and ALL OTHER SOURCES have indicated that the Huddy and the Braves have all intentions to reach an agreement, and that agreement will most likely be a 2-4 year extension instead of exercising his option.

Brewers are definitely a great fit for Hudson, but I think that he ends up staying in Atlanta.

And that Rosenthal piece didn't come off like good writing even before the O'Brien update came out. It seemed like he was trying to make a story out of nothing, and that just seems more evident now.

I'm more disappointed in Fox Sports for letting him write these pieces, than I am in Rosenthal.

Does anything with the "Fox" prefix really surprise you? I mean we have all heard of Glen Beck right?

To the Yankee poster that posted "looks like Hudson wants out of Atlanta". Well it looks like you are wrong.

I think we will see Vazquez and Hudson both get extentions this winter.

The amount of true Braves fans who actually believed that he wants to leave is probably close to the amount of letters in the phrase "Ken Rosenthal continues to prove he is a dumbass and should stop working in the sports world because he never gets anything right".

Oh and btw, to the guy who wrote that he should come to Boston and compete for a ring? Do you guys really need anymore starting pitchers? How about getting an impact shorstop? Or how about some replacements for your two players who belong in a retirement home like Wakefield and Varitek? Or how about paying to get names on the back of your jerseys and stop copying the Yankees on everything?

"Hi I'm a Typical Met's fan and I think we should sign Hudson on a 9 yr 8 1/2 Million deal. he would be a great #5 starter for us and later on, pitching coach. this along with my other expecte dsigning would have our rotation looking like this:

Santana
Halladay (via trade for Luis Castillo and some single player with potential)
Beckett (trade involving Ptbnl's)
Lackey (5 years 10 Mil)
Hudson.

Add that to our impending deals of Pujols (for futrue considerations and Jeff Francouer (Cards eat some salary)

Along with us adding Chone figgins (for bench depth)
and Mat Holliday (platoon Lf with the newly signed Manny Ramirez) and I think we area a lock for World Series.

Thoughts?"

You must be trying to act like an idiot. Probably not even a Mets fan but it gave me a chuckle.

Now I'm going to be skeptical about Rosenthal in the future.

"Does anything with the "Fox" prefix really surprise you? I mean we have all heard of Glen Beck right?"

Damnit, my bad. Very, very good point. I forgot that Fox sucks all-around.

"You must be trying to act like an idiot. Probably not even a Mets fan but it gave me a chuckle."

He wanted to trade Castillo and spare pieces for Josh Beckett and Roy Halladay, and then sign and platoon Matt Holliday and Manny Ramirez. It's abundantly clear that he wasn't serious.

And if he was, then his parents probably don't love him.

Does anything with the "Fox" prefix really surprise you? I mean we have all heard of Glen Beck right?

Posted by: Bretwk | October 14, 2009 at 11:34 AM


Yes and I like him. Though he is a little radical in some spots, he is very head on with his theories. At least he's not a far left.

I understand the not wanting Burnett money, but 3/24 is less than half. Huson would take 3/24 when Lowe just signed for 4/60?? Kawakami got 3/23...

Assuming a hometown is max his 12M option value and he said he would he willing to take something more than 5-8M less than that we are talking about something like 4-7M per year. Now I'm sure those aren't exact numbers Huddy said but given what Huddy said, not me or anyone else, he would be ok with something in the 3/18 or 3/21. That is surely less anually that he would get in FA but isn't that what a hometown discount is, right?

Let's say that this pans out:

Huddy: 3/21 hometown discount extention
Javy: 3/33 slight discount extention he has hinted at wanting
Lowe: Traded for a marginal RP prospect while eating 15 of the remainig 45.

That saves 16M annually and all of a sudden you have cash for LaRoche, Soriano, and Gonzo or enterance into the Bay/Holliday race. I would prefer option one but you get the picture.

So where's Rosenthal to say he's lying?!?!

Reporters hardly ever admit they are lying.

"Javy: 3/33 slight discount extention he has hinted at wanting"

Considering that Ryan Dempster got 4/52, Derek Lowe got 4/60, A.J. Burnett got 5/82.5, and Oliver Perez got 3/36, all during the previous offseason, I wouldn't expect Vazquez to take that kind of deal given how good he is.

When I heard Huddy on 680 the Fan the other day, he stated he would be willing to give a hometown discount, but that this idea of a discount and the Braves' idea of a discount may not be the same. I would take it as something along the line of 3/30, with possibly an option.

I think something along that line is reason for both sides. I think anything less than $8M per year would be an insult, unless there were easily attainable incentives included (ie $7M base w/ incentives that could bring it to $12M).

Sorry, that should have been reasonable for both sides, not reason.

The thing is he may realize that he was never an ace outside of Atlanta (well maybe a few years a long time ago for the Expos) and that this is where he is successful and happy.

Remember just a year ago he (AND Boone Logan) were brought for only a good prosect in Flowers and a buch of filler. I may be shooting a bit low there but i wouldn't immagine a guy with his track record commanding more than 3/40 through his mid thirties.

Eccentric GM:
Your plan only works if you attach the franchise tag to Mauer next offseason. Other than that, I see no holes!

Not a bad idea for the Braves to not pick up their side of the option. They're talking about trading a pitcher for a hitter anyway, this is just another way of going about it. Instead of trading a pitcher, let one go and then use that money to sign a hitter. It may not be the most efficient way to go about it (limited choices on the FA market and all) but it can be effective. I assume that if they let him walk they'll be holding on to Lowe and Vasquez.

Yes, FOX does suck, but I'd rather watch postseason baseball on it rather than TBS.

"Remember just a year ago he (AND Boone Logan) were brought for only a good prosect in Flowers and a buch of filler. I may be shooting a bit low there but i wouldn't immagine a guy with his track record commanding more than 3/40 through his mid thirties."

Man, I really hope that Flowers pans out, because otherwise the White Sox traded two years of a top of the rotation pitcher for nothing, when they're among the most highly valued commodities in the game.

That trade and the Swisher trade were beyond comprehension.

Did he really decide that the White Sox were better off dealing those guys for practically nothing, and then replace them with Rios and Peavy, costing the team its best young pitchers?

I'm sorry, but I would rather have Vazquez, Swisher, Poreda, Richard, Carter, Russell and all of that extra cash, than Peavy, Rios, Flowers, Rodriguez, Lillibridge, Marquez, Nunez and Gilmore.

To defend the White Sox in this trade (it's hard as a Braves fan) Vazquez did have a 4.40 ERA in his 3 seasons for the White Sox, and they thought they knew exactly what they were going to get with Javy, 200+ IPs and 200+ K.

He did have a career year this year as a Brave. Us Braves fans were very happy when we traded for Javy because we knew he was going to be a stable guy in the rotation, but none of us expected anything close to what he did this year.

Flowers could be a good offensive catcher, but defensively he is pretty bad. If the Sox can figure out a position to put him at he could be a decent offensive threat.

*PS - great trade by Wren.

If I'm Hudson there is no way in he** I'm interested if the extension offer is less than 3 yr./30 mill - which is essentially 1 yr/12 + 2yr/18 mill.

"If I'm Hudson there is no way in he** I'm interested if the extension offer is less than 3 yr./30 mill - which is essentially 1 yr/12 + 2yr/18 mill."

Posted by: Kinsm | October 15, 2009 at 08:16 AM


But here's the thing: You aren't Tim Hudson.

Here is what Hudson said just in the two latest articles posted at the top of this thread:

"I've said all along that Atlanta was the place I want to be and that I'm willing to give them a hometown discount. "

"I just hope when we start talking, my idea of a hometown discount and their idea of a hometown discount isn't 5 or 8 million [dollars] apart."

"I'd rather do the extension than the option"

"If I did go to free agency, there'd probably be more money out there on the free agent market. But that's the whole thing of working with Braves – I'm comfortable here, my family is comfortable here, I would be willing to take less to stay here."

"We haven't even talked about what would happen if they want to pick up the option," Hudson said. "Truthfully, I've never even thought that the option was an option. I'd rather have an extension than an option."

Those are some pretty telling quotes from Huddy himself. He wants to stay in Atlanta because he is happy in Atlanta and he will be willing to sign an extention at a discount. The option was never really an option because both parties knew it wasn't going to be picked up.

Of course YOU wouldn't take less than 3/30 because YOU aren't attached to Atlanta and willing to take a hometown discount, which again is by definition a contract worth less than market value. Hudson seems to understand this if you look at that fouth quote.

It looks like as long as we dont low-ball Huddy at like 3/12 or something stupid he WILL be a Brave next year.

3/30 would be a hometown discount (considering he's already guranteed 12). Don't be dumb, Hudson isn't an idiot, though he loves ATL he isn't going to jeopardize the amount of money he can get for his family. ATL fans are just dumb if they think he's going to sign for less than that. If he does he's an idiot too.

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