Curtis Granderson Rumors: Saturday

Why arent the red sox in this? he would be a really nice fit in boston. He would be insurance if we aren't able to sign bay. Also do u think the red sox will make any big trades this offseasn? or will they hold on to their prospects?

Haha "prospect heavy?" Who are we giving up? Vitters? Cashner? Castro? Gaub?

Please, if we empty our farm, let it be better than a platoon player like Granderson.

I'm only interested in Granderson if it means giving up Bradley, and there's no way that's happening.

good point by patrick. one of the only differences is cameron is relatively capable of hitting rightys while granderson cant hit lefties for his life.

my projected lineup is like so.

ss Jeter
2B Cano
1b Tex
3b Arod
DH Matsui
C Posada
CF cameron
RF Swisher
LF melky

never say never money can change a lot of peoples minds

he would have to take a pay cut to stay there b/c if they invest all the teams money in both those players there wont be no money for anybody else and they haven't won with them yet with a few more pieces then they have a chance to compete with the yankees and redsoxs

didn't Mauer say a week or two ago he'd be open to a discount to stay with the Twins?:

Agent, do you really think the Twins has the money to retain Mauer? The possible MVP in the American League? Is very probable that he will ask AROD type of money and to say the truth he really deserve it.

As for Granderson to the Yankees (he's become just a platoon player because of his struggles against southpaws) i dont like the idea of trading for him. Cameron is cheaper and wont cost any prospects. (But sign him for 1 or 2 years at the most)

Mauer is the Twins version of Derek Jeter. I'm NOT comparing them as players, I'm comparing them as icons for their cities. I think it's safe to say that Mauer has a MASSIVE fan base in Minnesota. You can't tell me that Twins fans wouldn't near-riot if the Twins just let him walk on the free agent market without at least offering a respectable deal.

I know it would take a decent amount of bank to keep him there, but a guy like that is worth it. He's easily a top 5 player in the league. My gut feeling tells me that he'd take a (small) discount to stay.

And its not like the Twins are a bad team. They had an impressive run late in the season that got them into the playoffs. They are an ace starter away from being a VERY dangerous team.

"Barry M. Bloom at MLB.com writes that Twins catcher Joe Mauer is concerned with "winning, not fame." Mauer's willingness to fly under the radar might be good news for Minnesota fans worried that the batting champ will eventually leave town for a larger market. Of course, I'm sure knocking off the Yankees would help too."

That was taken directly from the mlbtr archive.It's not about being paid. It's about winning.

Granderson would be a good fit in Chicago. I could see him help turn the Cubs back into a playoff team. Who knows maybe Rudy Jaramillo can help turn Alfonso Soriano back into a dangerous hitter as well.

"Twins are an ace starter away from being a VERY dangerous team."

This statement is true but explain me if the Twins resing Mauer how exactly they are going to bring that ace starter? With Mauer Twins are competitive but if they are not able to bring good players to the team specially pitchers, they will not be able to win it all.

First off I am a MASSIVE TWINS FAN! So where there's mauer talk, I am there!

Agent: You can't tell me that Twins fans wouldn't near-riot if the Twins just let him walk on the free agent market without at least offering a respectable deal.

I would personally lead that riot. I'd wear a burger king crown and carry a megaphone.

moneywinschampionships: First off, obvious yankees fan. Second if money won titles why don't the yankees win every single year?? You're dumb. Last Mauer is actually a GREAT GUY unlike AROD or pretty much every member of the yankees outside of Posada and Jeter. Mauer will stay in Minnesota and the Yankees are going down next year. Money is not the only thing that matters. Oh and you're a frickin idiot, just wanted to reiterate that.

Mauer is going to be a Twins for life. I hope so, that organiztion needs him. hopefully they win a WS with him. both class acts.

"I dont see how Granderson is a platoon player? Thats crazy talk to me. 30 hr, 20 sb, 71 rbi as a leadoff man... a platoon player? The cubs biggest needs... a fast, defensive minded CF who is a left and a leadoff hitter with speed and some power. I don't know, but that sounds like Granderson to me. With Fuku back in right, our OF will look better defensively. Yes, hitting a lefty is a huge huge problem for him, but did we not just get the best hitting coach in the game?

And northsider... Bradley will go this year, I think to the Rays. I think we will get Burrell and Sonnestine then package those 2 players with some of our own for a second baseman.

Trades:
Vitters, Miles, Lee, Cashner, Carpenter/Jackson, Gorzelanny for Granderson

It is a lot yes, but I think it would be worth it. Also, hoping to get rid of miles in the deal is a big stretch, but i can be hopeful.

Bradley + money for Burrell and Sonnestine

Burrell, Sonnestine, Fontenot for a 2B (phillips?)"

I agree with your assessment on Curtis Granderson going to the Cubs and the impact he could have but I don't think your package for Brandon Phillips could happen. The Reds would only trade Phillips to cut payroll and get some really good prospects back in return and adding those salaries right there just doesn't make sense from the Reds point of view.

"Could Jason Bay be had for 4 years, he could replace Damon's contract. curtis Granderson and cameron both are not good options. Id rather have Damon.

Posted by: yankfan1 | November 14, 2009 at 11:27 AM "

Why is Damon a better option than Cameron? And saying because Cameron strikes out a lot is not a convincing answer. Damon has a better bat but Cameron's defense is so much better than Damon

"Why is Damon a better option than Cameron? And saying because Cameron strikes out a lot is not a convincing answer. Damon has a better bat but Cameron's defense is so much better than Damon"

Agreed, and the Yankees lineup already has enough dominant hitters that Damon's dropoff to Cameron would not be very significant at all. However, I could see Mike Cameron's defensive upgrade over Damon paying off tremendously.

Can someone please explain to me how all these people are claiming "Mauer wants to win, etc?"

How does anyone know what he wants? Are they his friends or something? It's like all these people saying Halladay will demand a contract extension to waive his NTC. At NO point has he said this, it's just speculation.

As for the money, the Twins WILL have it. As has been stated, they're moving into a new ballpark next year and will have massive revenue streams from which to draw the cash to re-sign the local kid who's one of the best players in baseball

"Please get off my site if you are going to propose trades as stupid as this one. You are making all us real cub fans look like complete fools. Please go to any other site but mine. Thank you for your understanding."

lol.

"Please get off my site if you are going to propose trades as stupid as this one. You are making all us real cub fans look like complete fools. Please go to any other site but mine. Thank you for your understanding."

LOL that just made my day

Reasons why Joe Mauer is not the most valuable player in the AL and why he will not(see: should not) be paid as such.

1) He's a catcher. Catchers play 110 games. For the other 52 games they watch, or in his case, maybe DH. Just in case you were wondering, if AROD were a catcher making 27.5mil and playing 110 games, his prorated salary would be somewhere around 46.1 million dollars annually.

Reasons Joe Mauer will stay with the Twins that everyone keeps forgetting:

1) They already said they would be raising their payroll to between 90-100million with the opening of the new park. Their team payroll this year was at about 65mil, so that leaves 25-35mil to play with. They could feasibly sign 2-3 of the top free agent relievers, sign Beltre, and still have money for Mauer's extension. Remember, Mauer made 12.5mil this year, so a 7.5mil bump to 20/year isn't going to bust their budget anymore.

If the Cubs are going to trade their top 4 minor leaguers call Toronto and see what it takes to get Roy Halladay. He'll help the Cubs win 3 or 4 times as many games as Granderson...

Mauer grew up in Minnesota and has his house out in the woods and likes it there, he goes there everyday and not just off days/ He is living how he wants and has openly stated he wants to stay on the Twins. Mauer doesnt like the big City's so why would he want to go to the Yankees?

Get Granderson for Coke, Melky, and Romine. They will do it. Theyre shopping Laird and Romine could be a great defensive catcher in their pitching park.

Granderson batted 180 against southpaws. Thats horrible. But put him in a lineup with 5 players who hit better against lefties then righties ( 7 if you add damon and matsui).

Granderson is an old school player he is an excellent baserunner. Not as aggressive on the bases as you would like. And could be a teacher to Gardner how Henderson was to Reyes. I know thats a completely different story but it would do Gardner wonders if he had somebody who had the same tools as him on the club.

My lineup would be

Jeter
Granderson CF
Tex
Arod
Matsui DH (gota sign him)
Posada
Cano
Swisher RF
Gardner LF (Till Jacksons ready)

After this year give up Matsui's DH for Montero

Sign Harden, sign R Soriano (new L setup), Sign Nady (comes back 2 months later can fill in for injuries or if swisher struggles), Sign Hairstons JR

Trade Marte for John Mayberry Jr to Philly

vinnie g: When you say "R Soriano (new L setup), does the "L," mean lefty? Because Soriano is most definitely a righty.

2011

Jeter
Cano (quote this. he will be top 5s for mvp next year)
Mauer (im a typical yankee fan)
Arod
Tex
Montero DH
Nady RF
Granderson LF
Jackson CF

swisher will be free. but they'll sign him again to be a 4th

If I was the GM I would want Fox, fontenot and wells for Granderson

The best left-handed pitcher in the NL Central pitches for the Cubs. Carpenter, Wainwright, Gallardo, Oswalt, Harang, Arroyo, Cueto, all right handed. I guess Wandy Rodriguez might be cause for Granderson to sit if he were traded to the Cubs.

Does anyone think it would be a good idea for the Cubs to hold on to Vitters if it means passing up Granderson? Castro? Cashner? It's surprising, everyone always rags on the Cubs prospects yet when it comes time to turn them into talent people say they shouldn't. Or they talk about their fantasy Yankee lineups. Whatever.

If I were Jim Hendry I do the best I could to acquire Granderson and then tell Jaramillo to make him competent against lefties. I'd also do my best to resign Reed Johnson so that Granderson could sit against tough lefties and there wouldn't be a huge drop off.

vinnie g: So after all this time, the Yankees Superman catcher prospect is going to be a DH? LOLz. I'm pretty sure they would go get some juicer with bad knees to DH. Maybe they could bring Giambi back!

I'm a Yankees fan and I definitely want to get Granderson. I may start my offer from Austin Jackson plus Kennedy. But I really have no ideal whether it is eanough or not. Nowadays no team want to trade their top prospects. To Cubs fans, what kinds of package do you think the Cubs should offer?

Seriously Tim. I love your site and you can feel free to kick me off if you object to my statement (I’ll rise like the Phoenix and come back as YanksFanSince79 haha).. I can tolerate fans that make crazy and unrealistic trade proposals a lot more than I can posters who come here to simply say "I hate this team so I’ll have a negative reaction to anything regarding them" or to personally attack fans of other teams on a personal, usually vulgar level. I know a trade proposal like Brett Gardner and Ian Kennedy for Roy Halladay may frustrate and ruin a thread but I've heard a lot worse that usually has nothing to do with the subject matter. Stuff that is said out of hate for a team, etc and usually ends up being nothing about baseball at all.

I myself have written up trade proposals that, after some thought, I simply didn’t post. I’ve also posted some proposals that were smashed by others.

Just my opinion, but once you start booting people for bad trade proposal this site starts to take on an air of elitism. I don’t know if the poster is 41 or 14 yrs of age but a trade proposal is an innocuous post that, IMO, shouldn’t require them being banned or kicked off the site. Maybe in time and after becoming a more knowledgeable baseball fan, that person will have more insightful posts to contribute?

If I were a Cubs fan I would pass...

vinnie g: So after all this time, the Yankees Superman catcher prospect is going to be a DH? LOLz. I'm pretty sure they would go get some juicer with bad knees to DH. Maybe they could bring Giambi back!

Posted by: cubs223425 | November 14, 2009 at 12:35 PM
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Almost perfect timing...lol

"My lineup would be

Jeter
Granderson CF
Tex
Arod
Matsui DH (gota sign him)
Posada
Cano
Swisher RF
Gardner LF (Till Jacksons ready)

After this year give up Matsui's DH for Montero

Sign Harden, sign R Soriano (new L setup), Sign Nady (comes back 2 months later can fill in for injuries or if swisher struggles), Sign Hairstons JR

Trade Marte for John Mayberry Jr to Philly"

Um why would gardner be playing LF? makes no sense his only real value is his defense and speed. He's a much better defensive CF than Granderson.

Not to mention the Yankees aren't going to trade for Granderson unless they can get him for basically nothing (like swisher). When has Cashman traded any of his top prospects for players. It won't happen.

The Yanks are also trying to cut payroll or maintain so how exactly do you see them signing Mauer. Their not going to. Posada's also on contract through 2011 so where does he go? Montero just automatically DH also makes no sense the Yanks are going to do everything possible to keep him behind the dish because he will be incredibly valuable and cheap for several years.

If the yanks spend significant money in 2010-2011 offseasons it will be on starting pitchers, pretty sure there offense is already a juggernaut.

Injury prone Harden that throws 5 innings per game in the NL central will not be here, rafael soriano will want closer money and is also injury prone, nady would be nice to keep around but this is his 2nd TJ surgery he may not even make a full recovery from it.

Granderson as an angel here wold be the lineup if we don't sign Guerreruo or Figgins
macier Izturis/Erick Ayabar ss
kendry Morales 1b
Curtis Granderson lf
Torri Hunter cf
Bobby abreu RF
Howie Kendrick 2b
brandon Wood 3b
Brandon wood if called up other wise ayabar

Why does yankees need Granderson I say cubs I would trade him to for Fox, Wells , Vitters, and Blanco .

Posted by: Tigers | November 14, 2009 at 12:42 PM

He will be a big upgrade in CF even though he can't hit LHP. The Yankees can also put him in LF and find a corner OF who can hit LHP. It shouldn't be difficult to find one.

Tigers: Hell no. The future at SS and 3B and the only young SP that has shown MLB success with the Cubs for a CF that hits like a one-armed hobo blindfolded against lefties? PASS

Lol. In defense of Cubs Fan every team has those kinds of fans. I suppose the Cubs popularity and national exposure just bring them out of the woodwork more. There aren't any shortage of Yankee or Red Sox fans who make up silly trades as well. I think the difference is that they really think they're entitled to other teams best players for their slop.

We need a 2nd base polanco is leaving .

Haha..hopefully it won't come to that. I've got pride too....oh not really. I love this site..lol

Yea Harden is filthy, but he doesn't pitch deep into games very often in the NL central.

How do you expect him to pitch deep into games in the offensive minded AL east with a DH as well...he is nasty but he throws too many pitches he needs to stay in the NL...

nbbaseball: The thing there is that he throws too many balls. The pitches he throws in the zone are still strikeout pitches. He could still go 5-6 inning in the AL East. His ability in terms of outplaying hitters isn't the issue, it's his command.

Tradeguy Gm today that lineup would suck
Trade Rivera for Granderson along with wood and prospects.
Figgins
Abreu
Granderson
Hunter
Guerrero
MORALES
KENDRICK
NAPOLI
AYBAR

Sure Cameron is a better defender. But Damon is a MUCH better hitter than Cameron. He had 30 points higher than him in the average. Is a very good leadoff/2 hitter. Scored 100 runs and hit as many homers. Hes great in the clubhouse and knows how to win. Id take Damon in a 1 year deal. Cameron is a rally killer. Strikes out too much and only hit .230 with RISP miniscule compared to Damon's .299. Thats why Damon is a better option.

If you're gonna back up the truck for a Tiger, make it Verlander, and not Granderson. I don't know why so many people love this guy like he's Eric Davis in his prime.

allstarlineup you don't know antyhing about the Tigers we have good outfielders .

kan tong: Ok, I meant to answer you sooner on what I would offer, but there were a lot of things I was replying to.

What would I offer? I've pimped this for days...

Jake Fox--30 HR power to replace Granderson's bat. He can DH in DET, but he is also capable of playing LF, RF, 3B, 1B, and C if there is an emergency.

Sam Fuld--Good defensive OF to replace Granderson's glove. Colvin is also an option, though Fuld did hit .299 in limited PT at the MLB level.

Baker/Fontenot/Blanco--I'd like it to be Fontenot in terms of production, but he is the least of the 3. Blanco makes sense because he is a SS. Baker is a totally different animal because I would say put him in the deal, because a 3-way deal trading Bradley to get Luis Castillo becomes feasible (Castillo can lead off and hit is weak singles, then the others behind him will drive him in).

Marshall/Gorzelanny--mlb.com lists DET's top-4 SPs as Verlander, Jackson, Porcello and Bonderman--all righties. Willis is the listed #5, and we know he is a failure. This would give the Tigers a solid lefty starter that is pretty cheap (either one will prolly be under $600K, but IDK how the arbitration and whatever works).

Right-Handed RP--The Cubs have several young, capable righty relievers in Berg, Stevens, Caridad, Guzman (older, but more proven), Patton, Atkins, etc. Lyon and Rodney are FAs for DET, and there's no realistic belief both will return, because some think both want to try being closers.

So it would be a 5-for-1 swap, with the Tigers getting 5 different pieces that can help the big league team in 201. All 5 would combine for maybe $2-4 million total.

Hak Ju Lee is another trade possibility, but I think the Cubs would maybe like to hold on to him in hopes that it will give them a name in the Asian market (like the Pirates with Aki Iwamura).

Also, I think Bradley for Maggs is pretty interesteing. The Cubs would take the big hit this season with Magglio making $18 milliion, but he won't play too much and they could keep his $15 million 2011 option from vesting. Then that money they gave Bradley is gone after 2010, and the Tigers get 2 years of Bradley for only $3 million more than 1 year of Maggs (who would probably have his 2011 option vest in DET, which would make him 2/$33 million).

nbbaseball: Cot's says the 2011 option is at $15 million, not $12 million. It vests at 270 starts or 1,080 plate appearances combines for 2009+2010.

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/detroit-tigers_21.html

yankfan1: Damon played in New Yankee Stadium. His numbers are skewed like hell. Cameron will hit 30 HR easy there.

Lilkenny: Grabow's getting 2 years and bout half that money. The $7.5 million figure isn't the peryear number, it's the 2 years combined.