Mets, Dodgers In On Pineiro

7:37pm: According to Tim Brown's Twitter feed, "In the face of economic limitations, Dodgers working on a way to sign Joel Pineiro."

7:09pm: According to Ed Price's Twitter feed, the Mets and Joel Pineiro are talking, with the money somewhere around two years, $15MM.

At that price, you'd have to think a deal could get done quickly. The Mets have been interested in Pineiro all offseason, though Pineiro has seemed to be looking for a deal that rivals or exceeds the three-year, $29.75MM contract Randy Wolf signed with the Brewers.

Two years, $15MM is exactly what Jason Marquis signed for earlier this offseason with the Nationals. Despite the concerns over whether Pineiro can repeat his successful 2009 without Dave Duncan, his pitching coach with the Cardinals, the Mets would be taking a worthwhile risk at that price and length.

Pineiro was 15-12 in 2009 with a 3.49 ERA and just 27 walks in 214 innings pitched.


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191 Comments on "Mets, Dodgers In On Pineiro"


5 years 7 months ago

Two years, $15MM is probably a lot less than Pineiro thought he’d receive entering into the offseason.

The Mets’ offense and Johan better be really good this season if they want to catch up to the Phillies.

5 years 7 months ago

honestly, they wont be winning any time soon. The phillies are very good, they’ll win the division, so the mets can get to the playoffs there. Then the wildcard, you have the giants, rockies, maybe the braves depending on the remainder of the offseason goes for them, and then there are always one or two teams that come out of nowhere (Twins last year over the tigers).

They should look into sheets, i’m not sure how much money they have left to spend… but sheets, and piniero is right there a great 1 2 3.

All Day Réy
5 years 7 months ago

Dam, so sick of people already saying certain teams have a lock on the divison or wildcard a lot of things can happen during a season (see mets for example) the team may look good on paper but you never know how it is going to turn out over the course of 162 games.

bjsguess
5 years 7 months ago

Of course that’s true. The Royals COULD win the WS. That said, it is highly IMPROBABLE. That’s all he was saying about the Mets. Right now, they are not projected to win the East under any forecasting system.

5 years 7 months ago

Using the Royals is a poor example. The Mets, while certainly not the favorite, still aren’t a bad team, and before last season, were seen as a major contender to take the division. Due to many injuries (Reyes, Delgado, Beltran, Maine, Putz, Church, etc…) and sub-par seasons (Wright), the Mets didn’t do as well as expected.

I’m not saying they’re going to take the NL East in 2010, but it’s not as if they have zero chance–like the Royals.

bjsguess
5 years 7 months ago

Of course that’s true. The Royals COULD win the WS. That said, it is highly IMPROBABLE. That’s all he was saying about the Mets. Right now, they are not projected to win the East under any forecasting system.

NL_East_Rivalry
5 years 7 months ago

Just a question… if the Braves look bad on paper, does that mean we have a chance to work out very well. We looked bad on paper last year, but still managed to challenge for the WC. Now that we have a better team than last year, we still have the problem of not looking good on paper.

Heck, Nats could do well this year. Their team isn’t an absolute dump like it was last year. Any line-up with Willingham, Dunn, Morgan, and Zimmerman looks good. Nothing too shiny after that though. Barring a melt-down they’ll stay at the bottom.

Infield Fly
5 years 7 months ago

Yeah, and that’s why baseball is so great! No matter what you have on paper you have to play the game. And when you do, well…anything could happen. After all, who would’ve predicted the Rays’ run in 2008, or even the ChiSox tearing it up in 2005?!
That’s why I looooooove this game!

NL_East_Rivalry
5 years 7 months ago

Who is your mystery team this year? I know everyone is going to pick Mariners… so I’m going D-Backs. Just a feeling.

Infield Fly
5 years 7 months ago

My gut feelings usually kick in a week or two before Pitchers & Catchers. So only working with my head at the moment. I’m guessing we could see a resurgence from the Twins – just on sheer nerve, and maybe rekindling that sudden spirit they showed at the end of the ’09 season.Yeah, I know what you mean about the M’s bandwagon – and here we go again about how they look on paper. Still, I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t nail the division. Maybe it’s just that I’m used to that from them.

Infield Fly
5 years 7 months ago

My gut feelings usually kick in a week or two before Pitchers & Catchers. So only working with my head at the moment. I’m guessing we could see a resurgence from the Twins – just on sheer nerve, and maybe rekindling that sudden spirit they showed at the end of the ’09 season.Yeah, I know what you mean about the M’s bandwagon – and here we go again about how they look on paper. Still, I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t nail the division. Maybe it’s just that I’m used to that from them.

Infield Fly
5 years 7 months ago

You and me both. Seems like a lot of people forget that even in baseball, “experts” are right about 50% of the time – at most.

Wolfbane
5 years 7 months ago

That would be an excellent deal for the Mets, considering Pineiro will likely be much better than Marquis this season

melonis_rex
5 years 7 months ago

Unless you think Pineiro’s 2009 was his true talent level, as opposed to like, every other year in his career, they look pretty equal, with the edge over the last three years going to Marquis.

5 years 7 months ago

I agree to a certain extent, but control isn’t luck–that’s talent. While Pineiro may become more hittable, his control is a skill (a career 2.56 BB/9). That’s why he’s a superior pitcher to Marquis.

johnnyb048
5 years 7 months ago

That’s a great deal for the Mets if they can get it done. A lot of people have been bashing their offseason, but the deals they’re going for make a lot of sense. Seems like they’ve learned from the Oliver Perez fiasco.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
5 years 7 months ago

For that price, id like to see the Dodgers in. They have been linked to him, and at 2/15, it could happen..

dodgers_suck
5 years 7 months ago

no they wont. they just signed russ ortiz to a minor league contract but has an invitation to spring training to compete for the 4th and 5th spot. keep wishing the dodgers actually sign someone good.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
5 years 7 months ago

Russ Ortiz will not see more than 10 major league innings on the Dodgers, if even that many. He is washed up and will probably be on the 1st cuts of ST.

With your “keep wishing the dodgers actually sign someone good” comment, I could say the same thing for the Giants…

5 years 7 months ago

Russ Ortiz signing a minor league contract means nothing. The Dodgers did the same thing with Shawn Estes and Claudio Vargas last off-season. Shawn Estes never made major league team, Claudio Vargas threw a few innings out of the bullpen and was traded.

5 years 7 months ago

You called that one.

Edit: I’m not being sarcastic, the Dodgers are showing interest now.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
5 years 7 months ago

It just seemed like a pretty fair price for a #4 guy. Even if he regresses some after last season, we aren’t asking him to be the ace. Just a solid innings guy, something sinkerballers are notorious for.. I do hope they dont get into a bidding war for him though, he isnt good enough to guarrantee 20+, IMO

dodgers_suck
5 years 7 months ago

they’re showing interest because he’s cheap. if the mets bump an offer a mill and the dodgers are just sitting there waiting for someone else whose cheaper.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

Yes, all should praise the Derosa/Huff combo.

dodgers_suck
5 years 7 months ago

they’re showing interest because he’s cheap. if the mets bump an offer a mill and the dodgers are just sitting there waiting for someone else whose cheaper.

Sampsonite168
5 years 7 months ago

This can’t be life.

dire straits
5 years 7 months ago

Awesome

AceReno
5 years 7 months ago

Dont think this a great idea for the Mets. Pineiro had a breakout year last year with “pitching guru” Dave Duncan, not sure if he will reach our expectations

GOLSF
5 years 7 months ago

Wish the Mets could get Dave Duncan…He’d do more for their team than Joel Pinero.

Do you think he’d go to NYC for $6 million / year??

bomberj11
5 years 7 months ago

I don’t get it. Why don’t the Mets trade for a #2 starter instead of handing money out to an unsure thing?

alexnys
5 years 7 months ago

Could you please elaborate who are these sure #2 starters the Mets should try to trade for?

GOLSF
5 years 7 months ago

Mets should make a player for either Aaron Harang or Bronson Arroyo now that Reds have signed Chapman and will be looking to clear salary.

Either pitcher could be had for prospects. Coming in as a trade will lower expectations a bit.

Mets could also make a play for Dan Haren. He’d be a great fit on their staff. Ask price likely too high though…

vtadave
5 years 7 months ago

Wouldn’t Dan Haren be a great fit on 29 other staffs as well? Somehow I don’t see the Dbacks selling there, particularly considering his contract and Brandon Webb’s pending free agency.

vtadave
5 years 7 months ago

Wouldn’t Dan Haren be a great fit on 29 other staffs as well? Somehow I don’t see the Dbacks selling there, particularly considering his contract and Brandon Webb’s pending free agency.

johnnyb048
5 years 7 months ago

Who exactly would you like them to trade for? And what would you like them to give up?

GOLSF
5 years 7 months ago

I would rather see the Mets land John Garland as he has a much longer track record of success. Pinero could become a huge waste of money and look like Ollie Perez part two.

csg
5 years 7 months ago

as a braves fan, Id love to see them waste money on Piniero and Garland.

chemteck29
5 years 7 months ago

you mean like Frank Wren did on Lowe??? It’ll be an awefull long time before he lives that contract down,….then to trade Vasquez for a minor leaguer and Cabrera! lol I’d much rather have Omar than Wren any day of the week!

csg
5 years 7 months ago

Oliver Perez, Castillo???? should we continue?

5 years 7 months ago

OK so lets see take Oliver Perez’s remaining contract, add it to Luis Castillo’s remaining contract and you get 36 million. In turn that would be 9 million less than what is left on Lowe’s contract. Yup, lets go on.

csg
5 years 7 months ago

Oliver Perez – 3 wins, 66IP = $12 mil
Derek Lowe – 15 wins, 194IP = 15 mil

and who gives 4/25 to Luis Castillo?

NL_East_Rivalry
5 years 7 months ago

Thing is.. I think that you can actually throw Lowe out there and expect results. Just every once in a while he’ll give up 6 runs in one game, but that’s due to the Braves defense.

5 years 7 months ago

OK so lets see take Oliver Perez’s remaining contract, add it to Luis Castillo’s remaining contract and you get 36 million. In turn that would be 9 million less than what is left on Lowe’s contract. Yup, lets go on.

fernster
5 years 7 months ago

i agree

Ferrariman
5 years 7 months ago

im doubtful pineiro agrees to a 2/15..maybe a 3/22.5 or something along those lines. He is worth more than Marquis.

Wolfbane
5 years 7 months ago

No team will offer him three years at this point

Ferrariman
5 years 7 months ago

you forget who the mets GM is..nothing is beyond him. Remeber the Bartolo Colon deal, my body still cringes when i remember it.

strikethree
5 years 7 months ago

But the thing is: The Nats overpaid for Marquis.

He’s better than Carlos Silva too but I’m guessing the Mets won’t top that offer either.

5 years 7 months ago

Worth more than Marquis? You’re basing that on 2009 alone. Look at Pineiro previous to 2009, he wasn’t very good. At least Marquis has been a consistent, league average pitcher for the last three years. I’d rate them pretty closely but Pineiro has higher ups and lower downs, Marquis is more consistent (at least recently). They both had a bit of success early in their careers and then had some bad years. Both throw ground balls. If you know which Piniero you’re getting then fine, pay him more than Marquis. Otherwise, caveat emptor.

chemteck29
5 years 7 months ago

I’d agree, I can’t really value Pineiro of all people over Marquis, although Marquis”s decline over his second half is somewhat suspect. In fact the Mets actually looked to sign him first, but evidently there were some health concerns the Mets had that the Nationals were content to live with. I guess we’ll see when the season starts. Ideally I rather have Arroyo or Harang from Cincy than Pineiro, Garland, or Marquis, but who knows what will happen there!

wright_is_my_boy
5 years 7 months ago

i like the years and the money… not so much the player… but if he could consistently pitch FOR the mets the way he pitched AGAINST the mets it would be an awesome deal…

strikethree
5 years 7 months ago

This is why I never liked the Nat’s Marquis signing.

Both pitchers stink. Although, Pineiro’s career year was better than Marquis’ career year.

With Pineiro, it is much more simple: He has to retain that GB% he posted in 2009. (About 20% higher than his usual numbers)

I think the Mets can go a little lower since their rotation won’t be that great with or without Pineiro.

It does raise the question: If Minaya didn’t overpay for Bay, couldn’t he have used to the extra cash and sign Chapman instead of Pineiro?

wright_is_my_boy
5 years 7 months ago

……………………………….chapman signed with the reds……..

strikethree
5 years 7 months ago

Yes, I know.

It was a hypothetical question.

Wolfbane
5 years 7 months ago

He could have afforded Chapman regardless of Bay. In fact, he’d be probably be able to afford him even if he signs Pineiro

Piniero will probably regress, but pitchers just don’t forget good control and that high of a groundball percentage in one year

strikethree
5 years 7 months ago

I won’t say he could have signed him even after overpaying Bay but I do propose that he could have signed Chapman with no excuse to the contrary if he hadn’t overpay for Bay.

Chapman’s signing would have greatly changed the media’s feelings towards the Mets’ offseason. It would have surely uplifted the fanbase.

“Piniero will probably regress, but pitchers just don’t forget good control and that high of a groundball percentage in one year”

Off the top of my head… Chien Ming Wang and Fausto Carmona. It’s happened before… Although, I don’t expect him to do too poorly.

chemteck29
5 years 7 months ago

Wang was due to an injury, there is little doubt of that. I’ve never even heard of the other guy! lol

GOLSF
5 years 7 months ago

It was an odd signing for the Nats…

I really liked Marquis’ one selling point – ‘I’ve played in the playoffs ten years in a row.’ Can’t argue with a track record like that…And, can’t imagine he’ll keep that string going to the Nats..

Would have liked to have seen the Mets move on Marquis or Garland…

No real #2 starters on the free agent market unless they deem Ben Sheets healthy enough to risk signing him…

strikethree
5 years 7 months ago

How about… they don’t spend that money since there is nothing good for sale?

I mean, knowing the Mets, they could use that money for next year OR, more importantly, into getting a better medical staff.

inkstainedscribe
5 years 7 months ago

OK … As a Braves fan, I like the idea of 30+ starts going to Pineiro.

So Minaya ended 2009 with an ace and four mediocrities and will open 2010 with an ace and four mediocrities … and a higher payroll.

Wolfbane
5 years 7 months ago

Pineiro is better than a “mediocrity”

inkstainedscribe
5 years 7 months ago

K rate never good and declining. Career ERA+ 98

Sounds like a mediocrity to me. LaRussa/Duncan got their Jedi mind tricks to work just long enough to let Pineiro cash in (and make him another team’s problem).

Ferrariman
5 years 7 months ago

how do you expect someone maintain an incredible ground ball rate and have high number of strike outs? what is he? Randy Johnson?

csg
5 years 7 months ago

you may want to go look at his 2004-2008 #’s…mediocre may be generous

GOLSF
5 years 7 months ago

That’s all the proof I need this is a bad signing for the Mets – Braves fans clamoring for it!

Braves Fans – focus on the Phillies, not the lowly Mets…

Ferrariman
5 years 7 months ago

id like to see a 3/18 deal with 6MM in incentives..2MM per year for 30 starts and a 50% groundball ratio..if you can do a incentive based on that.

5 years 7 months ago

Looks like a good deal for the Met’s but Pineiro wasn’t very good prior to 2009. Seems like a large gamble that he’ll hold form. I suppose Citi Field would work to his benefit and he’d be pitching for basically the same salary that he got in 2009, it’s not like he’d be getting a huge raise based on last years work. If he doesn’t regress to his previous self then it’d be a fine deal, if he does regress it’s going to look pretty bad. For the Met’s sake I hope they have a pretty good idea which Joel they’re getting.

GOLSF
5 years 7 months ago

I’m sure that stepping out of the bright lights and media glare of Saint Louis for the backwater New York Mets will help take some of the pressure off…

Pinero would be a disaster in NYC….The town would eat him alive…

Eric
5 years 7 months ago

If the cost is just 2YR/15M I wouldn’t mind seeing him back in Seattle. I think Rick Adair could have a similar effect to Duncan on Pineiro. Adair was the guy who helped Washburn develop that Sinker in 09.

I would like the M’s to sign a #3 starting pitcher to put behind Felix and Lee. I like Garland for this, but when a talent like Pineiro is said to be signing so low after a break out year then I say find out if he has any interest in returning to the Safe.

5 years 7 months ago

I would like this move at 2/$15

NYYANKEES
5 years 7 months ago

wonder how far the Dodgers would go for him

bbxxj
5 years 7 months ago

Maybe a heavy backloaded deal from money freed up from Manny’s expiring deal.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
5 years 7 months ago

little to no money is freed up from Manny. He makes 10M this year and will make ~8M for the next couple years after the deal expires. Most of the deal is backloaded..

5 years 7 months ago

True. Manny makes $10m this season and $8.3333m in 2011-2013.

But the Dodgers will have Kuroda’s ~$12m coming off the books after 2010. Still, not much sense to backload a contract right now. The Dodgers payroll still figures to be significantly less than it was in 2008, and probably lower than 2009. Backloading/deferring too much more won’t give them much flexibility in 2011 and on…

lakersdodgersyankees4life
5 years 7 months ago

little to no money is freed up from Manny. He makes 10M this year and will make ~8M for the next couple years after the deal expires. Most of the deal is backloaded..

NYJonny
5 years 7 months ago

How long would it take to get a deal done, if it gets to a bidding war you have to think that the Mets would win

Ferrariman
5 years 7 months ago

lol it would be pretty funny if the dodgers and cardinals switched padilla and pineiro.

dire straits
5 years 7 months ago

Who from the 2, in your opinion, is a better pitcher?

vtadave
5 years 7 months ago

Pineiro is safe IMO, but I’d rather have Padilla for a year than Pineiro for 2-3.

vtadave
5 years 7 months ago

Pineiro is safe IMO, but I’d rather have Padilla for a year than Pineiro for 2-3.