Twins Interested In Jason Frasor

The Twins are interested in Blue Jays reliever Jason Frasor, tweets Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun.  Elliott qualifies the rumor by noting that the Blue Jays had two scouts at a Twins game, "but then they now have a ton of scouts to go to games."

The Twins interest in Frasor stems from Joe Nathan's likely need for season-ending Tommy John surgery.  Frasor could step in and handle any late-inning role.  The 32-year-old posted a 2.50 ERA, 8.7 K/9, and 2.5 BB/9 in 57.6 innings for the Blue Jays last year.  He's earning $2.65MM in his last season before free agency.  The Cubs are also known to be interested; the Jays might find it's a seller's market for quality relievers.


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BravesRed
5 years 5 months ago

And let the bidding begin for the services of Frasor.

Gjf29
5 years 5 months ago

I feel like these teams are going to try to lowball Toronto, but this guy is not going to be strictly a salary dump.

briantalletsmoustache
5 years 5 months ago

AA’s pretty shrewd, though, and I can’t see him getting scammed on this one. To be honest, I think it’ll be pretty interesting to see what he can pull off.

Encarnacion's Parrot
5 years 5 months ago

Shrewd is an understatement. Anthopolous has been a ninja with trades so far. I’m curious to see what he can pull out of his.. hat.. this time.

Encarnacion's Parrot
5 years 5 months ago

Shrewd is an understatement. Anthopolous has been a ninja with trades so far. I’m curious to see what he can pull out of his.. hat.. this time.

briantalletsmoustache
5 years 5 months ago

AA’s pretty shrewd, though, and I can’t see him getting scammed on this one. To be honest, I think it’ll be pretty interesting to see what he can pull off.

5 years 5 months ago

It’s difficult to see a deal getting done with the Twins. Their farm system isn’t very strong and Aaron Hicks or Kyle Gibson is big time overpayment. The Jays have no need for another catcher in their system so that veto’s Ramos and the Twins obviously won’t move Sano having just signed him.

Maybe the Twins deal from surplus and move prospect OF Ben Revere for Frasor. It’s not like he’ll be breaking into the Twins outfield anytime soon with Cuddyer, Span, and Young. At first glance Revere might be an overpayment, but Frasor does profile as a type B free agent already and if he closed for the Twins all year he’d likely to become Type-A.

5 years 5 months ago

It’s difficult to see a deal getting done with the Twins. Their farm system isn’t very strong and Aaron Hicks or Kyle Gibson is big time overpayment. The Jays have no need for another catcher in their system so that veto’s Ramos and the Twins obviously won’t move Sano having just signed him.

Maybe the Twins deal from surplus and move prospect OF Ben Revere for Frasor. It’s not like he’ll be breaking into the Twins outfield anytime soon with Cuddyer, Span, and Young. At first glance Revere might be an overpayment, but Frasor does profile as a type B free agent already and if he closed for the Twins all year he’d likely to become Type-A.

smootsmack
5 years 5 months ago

Revere gets more hype, but I could see Rene Tosoni being the guy. He’s got Revere’s skill set and hen some and has proven himself at AA already.

smootsmack
5 years 5 months ago

Revere gets more hype, but I could see Rene Tosoni being the guy. He’s got Revere’s skill set and hen some and has proven himself at AA already.

smootsmack
5 years 5 months ago

I think most sources have the Twins a top-10 farm system. Lots and lots of outfielders.

smootsmack
5 years 5 months ago

I think most sources have the Twins a top-10 farm system. Lots and lots of outfielders.

Mauerneau
5 years 5 months ago

Ok this is a 32 year old reliever, not even an experienced closer were talking about here. Revere is a top 100 prospect in the entire league, even mentioning him is ridiculous. Think more along the lines of Chris Hermann.

5 years 5 months ago

Exactly

Airp0w
5 years 5 months ago

Signing Kevin Gregg had everybody scratching their heads, but if he gets good value for one of our closers then it’s going to look like genius. I’ve got to wonder if he somehow had the foresight to see that there wasn’t going to be a lot of closers available and decided to control the market, or if this is blind luck. Either way the Gregg signing is looking better and better.

disgustedcubfan
5 years 5 months ago

It’s “looking better and better” until he takes the mound, in a real game, with his 83 mph, thigh high, flat fastball.

zeroes
5 years 5 months ago

It’s not like the Jays are going to have a ton of leads to protect this year. Someone who can eat some innings, and maybe build up a little value before the trade deadline is all they want from Gregg.

Airp0w
5 years 5 months ago

Signing Kevin Gregg had everybody scratching their heads, but if he gets good value for one of our closers then it’s going to look like genius. I’ve got to wonder if he somehow had the foresight to see that there wasn’t going to be a lot of closers available and decided to control the market, or if this is blind luck. Either way the Gregg signing is looking better and better.

smokinjays
5 years 5 months ago

Toronto isnt dumping salary. Any team with a quality SS prospect can get this deal done if they throw in a little something extra like a solid A ball OF prospect.

smootsmack
5 years 5 months ago

Well obviously the Cubs aren’t dealing Starlin Castro for a reliever, and the Twins certainly aren’t strong at that position, but the Twins have outfielders in spades. ScoutingBook has Ben Revere as #60, Aaron Hicks as #16, Angel Morales at #234 overall may not be ranked as high, but he’s the same age as the extremely well regarded Hicks and played at the same level last year, vastly outplaying him. Then you have guys like Chris Parmalee, Rene Tosoni, and Joe Benson. All pretty solid bets to reach the Majors.

smootsmack
5 years 5 months ago

Well obviously the Cubs aren’t dealing Starlin Castro for a reliever, and the Twins certainly aren’t strong at that position, but the Twins have outfielders in spades. ScoutingBook has Ben Revere as #60, Aaron Hicks as #16, Angel Morales at #234 overall may not be ranked as high, but he’s the same age as the extremely well regarded Hicks and played at the same level last year, vastly outplaying him. Then you have guys like Chris Parmalee, Rene Tosoni, and Joe Benson. All pretty solid bets to reach the Majors.

smokinjays
5 years 5 months ago

Toronto isnt dumping salary. Any team with a quality SS prospect can get this deal done if they throw in a little something extra like a solid A ball OF prospect.

davidchu
5 years 5 months ago

AA has shown he will only trade for a quality prospect. He will be more inclined to add a prospect with frasor to get a better prospect. Looking forward to what AA can get in return for frasor and eventually downs.

davidchu
5 years 5 months ago

AA has shown he will only trade for a quality prospect. He will be more inclined to add a prospect with frasor to get a better prospect. Looking forward to what AA can get in return for frasor and eventually downs.

explodet
5 years 5 months ago

Something involving Delmon Young maybe?

briantalletsmoustache
5 years 5 months ago

The Jays need Delmon Young like they need another reliever.

smootsmack
5 years 5 months ago

I can’t imagine why anyone would want Delmon Young, but if that Jays would take him (they wont) it’d be a great deal for the Twins.

5 years 5 months ago

Are we talking about Jason Frasor or a Joakim Soria type? Really Jason Frasor isn’t the best thing ever.

smootsmack
5 years 5 months ago

I can’t imagine why anyone would want Delmon Young, but if that Jays would take him (they wont) it’d be a great deal for the Twins.

portio
5 years 5 months ago

Considering the Twins major league back up outfielders consist of Kubel and Punto ( who has started 3 games in the outfield in his career) I highly doubt they would move Young. The twins have a ton of raw prospects, but none ready to compete at the major league level, none of them are even expected to start at AAA.

Just because you don’t like Delmon Young doesn’t mean you can throw his name into the hat with trade rumors. He hasn’t been linked to any trades since Gomez was traded, and after the twins signed Thome, Gardenhire insisted that he would be a bench player and Delmon would play every day

explodet
5 years 5 months ago

a) Twins are better without Delmon than with him. It gets Kubel in left and Thome full-time at DH. Gardenhire being incompetent doesn’t suddenly make Delmon any better.

b) Jays fan, so this isn’t me praying the Twins dump him. I assumed it would take more than Frasor, hence “involving” rather than “straight-up for”.

smootsmack
5 years 5 months ago

Well, they aren’t going to get more than Delmon, his upside at least warrants the value of a solid relief pitcher who are, really, a dime a dozen.

You have to consider there are about 80 7th/8th inning guys in Major League Baseball. 30 pitching the 7th innings, 30 pitching the 8th, and 20 pitching the 9th. Realistically, there are only about 10 guys who are true standout closers. The rest are just good 8th inning guys (who could be interchanged with dozens of other 8th inning guys).

Frasor is a good 8th inning guy who, on a desperate team, could be one of the guys who masquerades as a closer, and could probably do a fine job.

explodet
5 years 5 months ago

Yes. I know. Hence the “more than Frasor”. Are you always so argumentative when you agree with people?

explodet
5 years 5 months ago

Yes. I know. Hence the “more than Frasor”. Are you always so argumentative when you agree with people?

smootsmack
5 years 5 months ago

Well, they aren’t going to get more than Delmon, his upside at least warrants the value of a solid relief pitcher who are, really, a dime a dozen.

You have to consider there are about 80 7th/8th inning guys in Major League Baseball. 30 pitching the 7th innings, 30 pitching the 8th, and 20 pitching the 9th. Realistically, there are only about 10 guys who are true standout closers. The rest are just good 8th inning guys (who could be interchanged with dozens of other 8th inning guys).

Frasor is a good 8th inning guy who, on a desperate team, could be one of the guys who masquerades as a closer, and could probably do a fine job.

portio
5 years 5 months ago

Kubel in left and Thome at DH would leave nick punto as the 4th outfielder. I doubt the Jays would trade Frasor and an experienced/major league ready outfielder, which would still put the twins with 3 potential outfielders. Had the twins kept gomez and pridie, i suppose they would attempt to consider to think about it

explodet
5 years 5 months ago

Dude, it’s the backup outfielder. Who cares? Sign Reed Johnson for league minimum. Problem solved.

Mauerneau
5 years 5 months ago

You dont just give up on a number 1 overall pick especially when he has consistently hit .300 and had a tough year with his mom passing away. The kid has lost 30 pounds of fat over the offseason and is looking a lot more like the kid the rays drafted back in the day. Plate discipline and power are always the last thing to come to good young hitters. People who think Delmon is done may be pretty surprised this year.

portio
5 years 5 months ago

Considering the Twins major league back up outfielders consist of Kubel and Punto ( who has started 3 games in the outfield in his career) I highly doubt they would move Young. The twins have a ton of raw prospects, but none ready to compete at the major league level, none of them are even expected to start at AAA.

Just because you don’t like Delmon Young doesn’t mean you can throw his name into the hat with trade rumors. He hasn’t been linked to any trades since Gomez was traded, and after the twins signed Thome, Gardenhire insisted that he would be a bench player and Delmon would play every day

explodet
5 years 5 months ago

Something involving Delmon Young maybe?

cubnation
5 years 5 months ago

This is shaping up to be the perfect atmosphere for hendry to over pay once again. We have our middle infield tied up with castro (hopefully) and theriot moving over to second. we should be solid with this for the next 3-4 years I’m guessing. Does this mean we should throw a good ss prospect like Lee for a 1 year rental? Tough call but I’m saying no. The cubs have the pieces to pull this off, just should be interesting to see if Hendry scrws the goat on this one and deals high up side talent to get Frasor

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

I’m as big a critic of Hendry as anyone, but he really doesn’t overpay on trades often, especially when it comes to dealing young prospects. He sometimes has to dump them when they run out of options (like Felix Pie), but when’s the last time he truly gave up a top prospect? The closest I can think of is trading Ricky Nolasco to get Juan Pierre, but Nolasco was not considered to be a blue-chip prospect..solid maybe but he wasn’t special.

Lee is much more valuable to the Cubs than Nolasco ever was because they’ve invested a lot in him, both in terms of bonus and that he is the poster child prospect for them in South Korea — an area where they are very active. On top of that he is easily their best leadoff prospect, a need they never seem to be able to fill — he’s just not expendable in any way. The Cubs will hold on to him.

cubnation
5 years 5 months ago

I sure hope so………. Just a side not here. Did you see how B Roberts may start the year on the DL and McP is thinking of bringing in a backup/starter for the middle IF? Oh boy, here come the rampant Roberts trade rumors again. Fontenot and Marshall for Roberts :D. Just getting you prepared

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

LOL…I’ve had enough Roberts rumors to last a lifetime. The Cubs may see an opportunity to acquire someone like Cla Meredith, though I’m not really a big fan of his.

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

I’m as big a critic of Hendry as anyone, but he really doesn’t overpay on trades often, especially when it comes to dealing young prospects. He sometimes has to dump them when they run out of options (like Felix Pie), but when’s the last time he truly gave up a top prospect? The closest I can think of is trading Ricky Nolasco to get Juan Pierre, but Nolasco was not considered to be a blue-chip prospect..solid maybe but he wasn’t special.

Lee is much more valuable to the Cubs than Nolasco ever was because they’ve invested a lot in him, both in terms of bonus and that he is the poster child prospect for them in South Korea — an area where they are very active. On top of that he is easily their best leadoff prospect, a need they never seem to be able to fill — he’s just not expendable in any way. The Cubs will hold on to him.

disgustedcubfan
5 years 5 months ago

At this point, the only two options are:
-Hendry badly over-paying
-nothing getting done

To make the situation go from bad to worse, Guzman blows out his shoulder. Now with Nathan being gone, the cost of a blue chip reliever has gone way up.
I think we should all get use to the idea of Grabow and Maridad being the set-up guys for Marmol. Not exactly Chamberlain setting up Mo Riveria in the 9th

disgustedcubfan
5 years 5 months ago

At this point, the only two options are:
-Hendry badly over-paying
-nothing getting done

To make the situation go from bad to worse, Guzman blows out his shoulder. Now with Nathan being gone, the cost of a blue chip reliever has gone way up.
I think we should all get use to the idea of Grabow and Maridad being the set-up guys for Marmol. Not exactly Chamberlain setting up Mo Riveria in the 9th

cubnation
5 years 5 months ago

This is shaping up to be the perfect atmosphere for hendry to over pay once again. We have our middle infield tied up with castro (hopefully) and theriot moving over to second. we should be solid with this for the next 3-4 years I’m guessing. Does this mean we should throw a good ss prospect like Lee for a 1 year rental? Tough call but I’m saying no. The cubs have the pieces to pull this off, just should be interesting to see if Hendry scrws the goat on this one and deals high up side talent to get Frasor

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

Before anyone gets too starry-eyed on the return for Frasor consider that:
1) He’s coming off a career year, but overall he’s been pretty average
2) He’s a one year rental
3) There will be a 2.5M payroll exchange if it’s a prospect(s) only deal. That’s not insignificant when you consider it’s March and most teams are at about their budget limits.
4) The Jays have many solid relievers with no options left. That reduces their leverage as they almost have to make a deal somewhere or risk losing someone for nothing.
5) Neil Huntington, a good GM in his own right, only got Kevin Hart and Josh Harrison (a C level prospect) for his solid, lefty reliever (Grabow), –and he had to throw in an inexpensive, cost controlled 5th starter (Gorzelanny) to boot. Grabow was also sought after by other teams. So the market for that type of player isn’t as profitable as you might think.

Making these trades isn’t as simple as finding the opposing teams top-rated prospects at the position of your team’s greatest need. There is a lot more to it than that.

Guest
5 years 5 months ago

uhh Jason Frasor completely changed the way he pitches last year, and added an amazing change-up. Maybe you should watch the guy pitch before going off on a “now, now, everyone, before we all get too starry-eyed..” speech.

and other than their Rule 5 pick, there’s not really anyone that the Jays are going to HAVE to get rid of to simply make room.

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

I’m always amused by people who begin their reply with “uhhh”…as if what they are about to say is completely obvious and irrefutable — not to mention a sophmoric attempt to make the original commenter feel stupid. You can save yourself some typing and leave that out next time. I’m not impressed.

I’m also not impressed by your average fan “watching” players and thinking it gives them permission to present themselves as an authority. The numbers show that Frasor’s last season was more of an anomaly than a sign of things to come. Players don’t generally get a whole lot better at age 32. I’m not going to expect Frasor to be the exception to that rule. Statistic analysis from every reputable source expect varying degrees of regression closer to his career numbers.

Guest
5 years 5 months ago

right, so you haven’t watched him pitch. He turned himself from an average pitcher into an above average pitcher by adding a 3rd pitch – a very good change-up. Looking at numbers doesn’t always answer everything. Sometimes you need to actually know the person you’re talking about, instead of looking up his numbers 2 minutes before writing a post. Get over yourself.

Guest
5 years 5 months ago

and last time i checked, holding a very good reliever who’s either going to be a type A or type B at the end of the year when multiple teams need a good reliever doesn’t exactly take away from Toronto’s leverage.

Guest
5 years 5 months ago

and last time i checked, holding a very good reliever who’s either going to be a type A or type B at the end of the year when multiple teams need a good reliever doesn’t exactly take away from Toronto’s leverage.

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

So I should take your subjective “watching” experience over objective, advanced statistical analysis?

Guest
5 years 5 months ago

I’m saying he’s an entirely different pitcher. He used to have 2 pitches, a plus fastball and an okay slider. Hitters just sat on his fastball. Last year he added a very, very good change-up and it made his a completely different pitcher. I’m telling you that nowhere on baseball-reference does it mention this, but apparently you don’t get it. Telling you that he’s an entirely different pitcher because he added a 3rd pitch isn’t “subjective”. Like I said, numbers don’t tell the entire story, everytime.

smootsmack
5 years 5 months ago

Well, first of all, there is record that he’s thrown the changeup since he came into the league. Last year he threw his changeup 3.5% of the time last year.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1906&position=P#pitchtype

The new pitch he added last year appeared to be the split finger. The split finger however, didn’t rate very well. But, he was way more effective with the slider, a pitch he threw over 19% of the time last year than he had ever been before.

Guest
5 years 5 months ago

whoops, i meant the split finger

nickl1538
5 years 5 months ago

Frasor did not add a change-up in 2009, he has been throwing one since he started in the majors in 2004. In addition, his change-up is only league average and he throws it less than 4% of the time. He did increase his use of a Split Finger from less than 1% thrown prior to 2009 up to 11.6% in 2009. This is odd since he threw his fastball and slider (his 2 best pitches) less as a result.

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

I understand that he has developed a change-up, but Frasor’s stuff has never been much of an issue. It was good enough for a reliever. Two things stand out to me with Frasor, his walk rate dropped to 2.5 per 9 innings, down from about 4 wks/9 innings in his career and about 6 wks/9 innings the year before. The other thing is that his BABIP was at about 20-25 points lower than his career norm, meaning there may have been some luck involved.

That being said, throwing the changeup for strikes may have contributed to better control, but right now it’s too small a sample size to hang your hat on. Frasor needs to repeat his low walk total over a greater period of time before you can say he’s a completely different pitcher. Right now, one can easily say it was just an anomaly and that he had some luck (less batted balls fell for hits than usual last year) — especially when you throw in Smootsmacks analysis that the slider is still Frasor’s preferred secondary pitch. You can’t expect teams to compensate the Jays on the assumption that last year’s numbers override his career numbers.

Guest
5 years 5 months ago

fair enough, we’ll agree to disagree, i feel the jays will get a solid return though on him either way though. his almost guaranteed type B/A status + a few teams interested could drive up the price a bit.

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

Agreed there…I think they should get a solid return – just not the marquee names that keep getting thrown out here. But just because they likely won’t be the big names, it doesn’t mean they aren’t good prospects in their own right.

grant77
5 years 5 months ago

You should check out Jason Frasor’s new changeup before making such ignorant statements, it’s THE reason he was so much better. You can throw statistical analysis out the window in this case. The average fan can tell you that, let alone someone like me.

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

I’m always amused by people who begin their reply with “uhhh”…as if what they are about to say is completely obvious and irrefutable — not to mention a sophmoric attempt to make the original commenter feel stupid. You can save yourself some typing and leave that out next time. I’m not impressed.

I’m also not impressed by your average fan “watching” players and thinking it gives them permission to present themselves as an authority. The numbers show that Frasor’s last season was more of an anomaly than a sign of things to come. Players don’t generally get a whole lot better at age 32. I’m not going to expect Frasor to be the exception to that rule. Statistic analysis from every reputable source expect varying degrees of regression closer to his career numbers.

Guest
5 years 5 months ago

uhh Jason Frasor completely changed the way he pitches last year, and added an amazing change-up. Maybe you should watch the guy pitch before going off on a “now, now, everyone, before we all get too starry-eyed..” speech.

and other than their Rule 5 pick, there’s not really anyone that the Jays are going to HAVE to get rid of to simply make room.

smootsmack
5 years 5 months ago

I can’t imagine anyone see’s an A-level prospect going for Frasor. But I B- guy or a C should be a fair return. Like I said, I think Rene Tosoni would be a realistic option.

smootsmack
5 years 5 months ago

I can’t imagine anyone see’s an A-level prospect going for Frasor. But I B- guy or a C should be a fair return. Like I said, I think Rene Tosoni would be a realistic option.

zeroes
5 years 5 months ago

Some valid points, but he’s not going to come for free either. He’s a one year rental plus a supplemental pick. That’s certainly worth a solid prospect. If he repeats last year’s performance he could get two picks, and if he underperforms or gets hurt, he could return zero, but on average, 1 pick is a reasonable expectation. He doesn’t have a huge contract or the save numbers in the recent past to justify an inflated price in arbitration, so offering arbitration shouldn’t be a major issue.

The Jays aren’t going to lose anybody significant due to options issues. They have plenty of guys with options and thinking they’ll rush to dump Frasor out of fear of losing their Rule 5 pick or Sean Henn is wishful thinking.

zeroes
5 years 5 months ago

Some valid points, but he’s not going to come for free either. He’s a one year rental plus a supplemental pick. That’s certainly worth a solid prospect. If he repeats last year’s performance he could get two picks, and if he underperforms or gets hurt, he could return zero, but on average, 1 pick is a reasonable expectation. He doesn’t have a huge contract or the save numbers in the recent past to justify an inflated price in arbitration, so offering arbitration shouldn’t be a major issue.

The Jays aren’t going to lose anybody significant due to options issues. They have plenty of guys with options and thinking they’ll rush to dump Frasor out of fear of losing their Rule 5 pick or Sean Henn is wishful thinking.

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

I agree…I think the Jays will get a solid prospect. Frasor’s a quality guy who would surely become the Cubs righty half of the set-up equation. Factor in the possibility that he may bring in compensation picks adds to his value as well (as you and a couple of others have pointed out), but I’m only tempering the idea that they are going to get one of a team’s top tier prospects in return. They’ll get something worthwhile though. It just may not be what everyone is expecting.

Roll Fizzlebeef
5 years 5 months ago

1) I’ll give you that last year was arguably his best, however over the last three years he’s been able to hold batters to a .212/.299/.320 (Baseball Reference notes that he came out in the 8th inning most often in 2007-8 and the 9th in 2009, usually in high leverage situations) average line.
2) Only if they let him go. Even then, he ranks as a Type-B Free Agent as of right now and can very easily turn into a Type-A if he puts up anything close to what he did in 2009. Picks aren’t a sure thing, but parlaying the Sausage King into a couple of high picks can pay high dividends.
4) If Frasor goes, then a spot is open. If he doesn’t, he provides solid high leverage relief for another year. I’m not too worried about Shawn Camp, Sean Henn, or Merkin Valdez going facing waivers.
5) That’s one situation that could indeed play out. It’s not a given that it will, though.

Both the Cubs and the Twins are looking for dependable late inning guys right now, and Frasor has shown he can fit the bill. The price has gone up on him and, while I agree that there will be more to it then just pick-and-choosing prospects, you have to pay something well in order to get something good back.

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

The potential to get draft picks does work in the Jays favor. They will probably try to sell him as a potential Type A free agent to other teams, while other teams will counter that he is currently a Type B free agent and there’s no guarantee that will change. With Kevin Gregg and Scott Downs in the mix, Frasor picking up some saves is anything but a certainty. Repeating last year’s career numbers is unlikely, considering how volatile relief pitchers performance tends to be. At best, Toronto would have to settle for a compromise — a distinct possibility when you have a team as desperate as the Cubs seem to be. Even with some regression, he’s good enough to set up for the Cubs right now, but I expect the Jays to get a couple of decent prospects rather than anyone’s top tier guys.

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

And by the way, anyone with the moniker “Sausage King” is bound to be a hit in Chicago! :)

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

Before anyone gets too starry-eyed on the return for Frasor consider that:
1) He’s coming off a career year, but overall he’s been pretty average
2) He’s a one year rental
3) There will be a 2.5M payroll exchange if it’s a prospect(s) only deal. That’s not insignificant when you consider it’s March and most teams are at about their budget limits.
4) The Jays have many solid relievers with no options left. That reduces their leverage as they almost have to make a deal somewhere or risk losing someone for nothing.
5) Neil Huntington, a good GM in his own right, only got Kevin Hart and Josh Harrison (a C level prospect) for his solid, lefty reliever (Grabow), –and he had to throw in an inexpensive, cost controlled 5th starter (Gorzelanny) to boot. Grabow was also sought after by other teams. So the market for that type of player isn’t as profitable as you might think.

Making these trades isn’t as simple as finding the opposing teams top-rated prospects at the position of your team’s greatest need. There is a lot more to it than that.

thefarmer
5 years 5 months ago

LOL. The most the Jays would be getting would be someone like Perkins or Swarzak. There’s no way the Twins would unload Hicks, Revere, or Ramos for Jason Frasor. Dream on Jays fans, dream on.

Guest
5 years 5 months ago

Brandon League + a prospect that was miles away from the majors and had to repeat A ball got the Jays Brandon Morrow. It’s not like strong relievers don’t have value.

smootsmack
5 years 5 months ago

Morrow had just two and a half years of service time – and therefor 4 years of team control left. Frasor will be a FA after next year. Add to that the fact that Morrow has been both more consistent and shows far greater upside than Frasor. HUGE difference.

Guest
5 years 5 months ago

what? I’m aware that Morrow has a lot of upside, that’s the point. I’m saying the Jays can get a lot for their relievers.

zeroes
5 years 5 months ago

I think you just proved pastlives point.

zeroes
5 years 5 months ago

I think you just proved pastlives point.

5 years 5 months ago

Frasor is likely to be Type A, lock for type B which obv adds value.

smootsmack
5 years 5 months ago

Morrow had just two and a half years of service time – and therefor 4 years of team control left. Frasor will be a FA after next year. Add to that the fact that Morrow has been both more consistent and shows far greater upside than Frasor. HUGE difference.

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

That depends on how you look at it. The Mariners didn’t consider Morrow to have a future as a starter. They managed to get a replacement who’s got comparable stuff, better health and a better career FIP (4.30 vs. 4.56)…and a prospect to boot. I don’t think Jack Z gets the wool pulled over his eyes as easy as you make this out to be.

Guest
5 years 5 months ago

Brandon League + a prospect that was miles away from the majors and had to repeat A ball got the Jays Brandon Morrow. It’s not like strong relievers don’t have value.

smootsmack
5 years 5 months ago

Pitching isn’t that big of a need for the Jays, especially #5 type starters. So Perkins or Swarzak wont happen – and you’re right, the Twins aren’t likely to give up a top-10 guy. No one would give up a top 10 guy for someone coming off one good year who is about to become a FA. But that doesn’t mean the Jays will get hosed.

meanguygary
5 years 5 months ago

Excellent. Another suitor for Frasor

meanguygary
5 years 5 months ago

Excellent. Another suitor for Frasor

babaabooey
5 years 5 months ago

Twins fans are idiots…firstly, frasor will be a type-A after the season..therefore, youre getting a great pitcher, with a great contract, along with 2 top draft picks….hence, a top prospect would be required if you want him

smootsmack
5 years 5 months ago

Not unless he has a year like last year. Which, given his track record, is anything but a guarantee.

smootsmack
5 years 5 months ago

Not unless he has a year like last year. Which, given his track record, is anything but a guarantee.