Cliff Lee Rumors: Sunday

9:17pm: The Cardinals had a scout at today's Tigers-Mariners game as well, tweets Morosi.

2:45pm: Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports says that both the Dodgers and Yankees had scouts in attendance for Lee's brilliant start against the Tigers today (8 IP, 9 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 11 K). For the Yankees, this is the second consecutive start of Lee's which they've scouted.

According to Morosi, some clubs feel the Yankees are scouting Lee for a potential acquisition prior to the July 31 deadline, while others feel they're scouting with an eye toward this year's free agent market.

2:39pm: Jamey Newberg takes a lengthy, but interesting look at some reports guessing what it might take for the Rangers to acquire Lee from Seattle. Ultimately, due to the elite prospects required and the difficulty of working out the payroll (Newberg suggests adding Rich Harden and including an extra prospect to offset the salary), he feels he'd say no to Zduriencik were he in Ranger GM Jon Daniels' shoes.

Newberg also makes the point that while Lee projects as a Type A free agent, it shouldn't be assumed that he'll net his new team two first-round draft picks. Jayson Werth and Carl Crawford both project as fellow Type A free agents. With all three on the Yankees' radar, it's possible that Werth and/or Crawford end up outranking Lee, though Lee currently leads the three. If that happens, and the Yankees sign Lee and one of the two outfielders, Lee's new team would receive a supplemental round pick and a second-round pick instead of a first.

12:28pm: Citing rival executives, ESPN.com's Buster Olney (Insider link) says that Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik is searching for a "difference-making hitter" in any Cliff Lee negotiations. Expanding upon a tweet he made yesterday, Olney takes a look at the type of young hitter the Mariners may ask for in return for Cliff Lee.

One scenario that Olney suggests involves bringing the Brewers into a potential three-way trade. During Zduriencik's time in Milwaukee, he drafted Brett Lawrie, who Baseball America ranked as the 59th-best prospect in baseball coming into this season. The 20-year-old has only improved his stock this year, hitting .297/.362/.476 with 22 steals for Milwaukee's Double-A affiliate. While trading for Lee makes little sense for the Brewers, they could hypothetically add talent and depth to their farm system by sending Lawrie to Seattle and receiving prospects from the team acquiring Lee. This is speculation on Olney's part, but it's something Zduriencik could very well consider in the coming weeks.

Meanwhile, Frank Fitzpatrick of the Philadelphia Inquirer reports that Cliff Lee checks in on his former teammates in Philadelphia every now and then. Within the piece, Lee says he'd be happy to stay in Seattle for the rest of the year, and touches on how the season may have played out if he'd remained a Phillie.


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74 Comments on "Cliff Lee Rumors: Sunday"


wintwins
5 years 23 days ago

oh buster olney how i hate you and your useless insight

ghost5599
5 years 23 days ago

Brett Lawrie would be the difference making hitter the M’s seek? Right handed bats and Safeco don’t go very well together.

CrustyJuggler
5 years 23 days ago

Yeah I doubt a speedy second baseman is the impact bat the Mariners are after. You know.. Since they already have Figgins covering that position for the next 3-4 years and a second baseman in AA named Dustin Ackley that is projecting to perhaps make the team in 2011.

CrustyJuggler
5 years 23 days ago

Yeah I doubt a speedy second baseman is the impact bat the Mariners are after. You know.. Since they already have Figgins covering that position for the next 3-4 years and a second baseman in AA named Dustin Ackley that is projecting to perhaps make the team in 2011.

boy9988
5 years 22 days ago

Well his sister is epic, and kinda hot, but front what i know of Brett, I would definitely take Danielle over him.

ghost5599
5 years 22 days ago

LOL very true very true. And some of her teammates were pretty easy on the eyes also.

bjsguess
5 years 23 days ago

This makes much more sense than the previous post about Smoak.

CrustyJuggler
5 years 23 days ago

Lawrie does? Um. No.

5 years 23 days ago

Josh Thole has looked great…..can’t help but think that the M’s are interested in him

Belandsexo
5 years 23 days ago

They want potential impact bats. Not punch and judy hitters with below average defensive skills.

Just_MLB
5 years 23 days ago

If thats the case, then Thole could be the next Jeter !

Just_MLB
5 years 23 days ago

I kid, I kid
lol

Just_MLB
5 years 23 days ago

I kid, I kid
lol

Just_MLB
5 years 23 days ago

If thats the case, then Thole could be the next Jeter !

Belandsexo
5 years 23 days ago

They want potential impact bats. Not punch and judy hitters with below average defensive skills.

ReverendBlack
5 years 23 days ago

Jack Z loved eeeevery pitch of Lee’s outing today.

ReverendBlack
5 years 23 days ago

Jack Z loved eeeevery pitch of Lee’s outing today.

CrustyJuggler
5 years 23 days ago

Why do teams waste time, plane tickets, money and per diem allowances on scouts to watch Cliff Lee?

What kind of report do they expect? “Yup…. He’s still good”

CrustyJuggler
5 years 23 days ago

Why do teams waste time, plane tickets, money and per diem allowances on scouts to watch Cliff Lee?

What kind of report do they expect? “Yup…. He’s still good”

philosofool
5 years 23 days ago

Agreed. There’s also a new invention called “television” that allows you to watch baseball games at your home or in an office. You have to pay extra if you want to watch all the games though.

livingpaint
5 years 22 days ago

Besides the free hotdogs and other perks they probably get being a scout at a ballpark, the thing TV doesn’t show all the time and the kind of things I would look for is if they throw a pitch and land wrong or how they handle themselves “inbetween” pitches or “inbetween” innings. If a pitcher winces or is rubbing their arm excessively in the dug out. Instead of watching replays of Ichiro making a catch, they are focused on what Lee is doing on the mound.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
5 years 23 days ago

its mechanics and stuff. movement of pitches. TV doesnt focus on that

5 years 23 days ago

I can see what you’re saying, and I know I’m not a trained scout, but I can’t help but wonder what they can see differently (or, I should say, better) from the ballpark, especially when it comes to movement of pitches.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
5 years 23 days ago

Of course I’m not a scout either, I think its the thought of you see more when you are there than a tv. Though I’m sure they look at video after

ReverendBlack
5 years 23 days ago

Right, it’s not like it’s one or the other. It’s one or both. Scouts probably prefer both.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
5 years 23 days ago

My guess is they like to see what they think and gain an opinion in person and then solidify it with video. Also seeing things twice is better than once

lakersdodgersyankees4life
5 years 23 days ago

its mechanics and stuff. movement of pitches. TV doesnt focus on that

ghost5599
5 years 23 days ago

Hmm, wonder if the Yankees would put a trade package together built around Montero? That could be an impact bat the M’s would seek.

CrustyJuggler
5 years 23 days ago

Yup. Montero and Smoak are at the top of the Mariners wishlist I would imagine.

ghost5599
5 years 23 days ago

Hmm, wonder if the Yankees would put a trade package together built around Montero? That could be an impact bat the M’s would seek.

rangersvoice
5 years 23 days ago

I will stop being a Ranger fan if we give up all of our top prospects for two months of Lee. We’ve been the worst team (or close to it) for years now. Just in the past two years and obviously this year we are winning again… Why? Because of our youth. Let me say that again. Because of our youth.

JD and Nolan Ryan should not feel any pressure at all to go get Lee. Let’s do the best we can this year with what we have. Once the ownership is figured out then we can just sign lee or another top Pitcher…. OR let one of our young guys have a chance.

The article that Newberg wrote is spot on. And is conclusion is right as well. That’s WAY too much to give up for Lee. He is good don’t get me wrong. But, I think we’ve spent too long building up this pool of talent to just trade them all away. This isn’t Roy Halladay we’re talking about.

PLEASE Jon Daniels… I hope you are reading this. DO NOT TRADE FOR LEE!!

CrustyJuggler
5 years 23 days ago

Good points but the difference between Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee is negligible. Splitting hairs. Probably the 2 best pitchers in baseball right now.

CrustyJuggler
5 years 23 days ago

Good points but the difference between Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee is negligible. Splitting hairs. Probably the 2 best pitchers in baseball right now.

unnamedsource
5 years 23 days ago

I fall on the other side of the argument. Been a Rangers fan since I could walk and I’m tired of saying how bout next year. The farm system is deep. Young and company are healthy and playing well. Let’s take a shot now. Trade Smoak or Davis plus Scheppers or Perez plus Morleand. We have no shortage of young arms including Feliz who might be a starter someday. From Nolan’s comments I think he wants to win now and I’m all for that.

unnamedsource
5 years 23 days ago

I fall on the other side of the argument. Been a Rangers fan since I could walk and I’m tired of saying how bout next year. The farm system is deep. Young and company are healthy and playing well. Let’s take a shot now. Trade Smoak or Davis plus Scheppers or Perez plus Morleand. We have no shortage of young arms including Feliz who might be a starter someday. From Nolan’s comments I think he wants to win now and I’m all for that.

philosofool
5 years 23 days ago

Lee is a sure fire Type-A draft pick. Given the amount of youth and high quality players that Texas has, I think that they can afford to give up one ready-now guy for two guys that are three or four years away. In a way, it might not be a bad way to get more depth in the future. Think about it this way: World Series.

philosofool
5 years 23 days ago

Lee is a sure fire Type-A draft pick. Given the amount of youth and high quality players that Texas has, I think that they can afford to give up one ready-now guy for two guys that are three or four years away. In a way, it might not be a bad way to get more depth in the future. Think about it this way: World Series.

rangersvoice
5 years 23 days ago

I will stop being a Ranger fan if we give up all of our top prospects for two months of Lee. We’ve been the worst team (or close to it) for years now. Just in the past two years and obviously this year we are winning again… Why? Because of our youth. Let me say that again. Because of our youth.

JD and Nolan Ryan should not feel any pressure at all to go get Lee. Let’s do the best we can this year with what we have. Once the ownership is figured out then we can just sign lee or another top Pitcher…. OR let one of our young guys have a chance.

The article that Newberg wrote is spot on. And is conclusion is right as well. That’s WAY too much to give up for Lee. He is good don’t get me wrong. But, I think we’ve spent too long building up this pool of talent to just trade them all away. This isn’t Roy Halladay we’re talking about.

PLEASE Jon Daniels… I hope you are reading this. DO NOT TRADE FOR LEE!!

CrustyJuggler
5 years 23 days ago

Tell you what. I’m starting not to hate what the Mets have to offer. At first, yeah, I didn’t like any bat they had. But after digging a bit, whats up with this Reese Havens kid? 23 in AA and he looks like a legit masher at 2B. Good BB:K rates (even though he does K a bit too much), good contact, good power, etc. Seems like he needs to be in AAA or the bigs real soon to get some sort of challenge.

I don’t know, a package with Havens and Mejia in it could be not so bad.

CrustyJuggler
5 years 23 days ago

Tell you what. I’m starting not to hate what the Mets have to offer. At first, yeah, I didn’t like any bat they had. But after digging a bit, whats up with this Reese Havens kid? 23 in AA and he looks like a legit masher at 2B. Good BB:K rates (even though he does K a bit too much), good contact, good power, etc. Seems like he needs to be in AAA or the bigs real soon to get some sort of challenge.

I don’t know, a package with Havens and Mejia in it could be not so bad.

ghost5599
5 years 23 days ago

Angels are only 4.5 games behind Texas. And they are looking to add some pieces to make another run at it. Adding Lee to the Texas rotation could really swing the balance in Texas favor. If it takes Smoak as part of a package to get it done I think they really have to consider it. Rental or not.

Angels always play some pretty good ball after the all star break.

5 years 23 days ago

As a Mets fan I am sure the Mets could work out a deal with the M’s that involves a combination of guys like: Reese Havens, Fernando Martinez, Dillon Gee, Josh Thole, Jenrry Mejia or Ruben Tejada……its so confusing- one day the M’s want a prospect catcher, the next its two major league ready hitters, the day after that its pitching…make up your mind….and yes most teams are not willing to give up a top prospect for Lee this year, but the Mets need a pitcher and want to win now….plus they have the money to lure Lee back next year….Omar Minaya will pony up the goods if he has to….as far as the Yankees go, they don’t need Cliff Lee, they just won a World Series, have the best record in baseball and 5 current or former All-Stars already in their rotation….as a free agent I expect them to make a run at him, but as far as this year, its ridiculous and unnecessary….not to mention nearly guarantees them a repeat.

CrustyJuggler
5 years 23 days ago

I think what it is regarding the catching situation is there really isn’t anything out there that is leaps and bounds better than Adam Moore. Ramos may grade out to be better than Moore but not by much. Thole has some big deficiencies in his game that are way too risky unless he’s the 3rd piece of the deal (no power/poor defender).

In the end I see Jack taking the best overall package.

CrustyJuggler
5 years 23 days ago

I think what it is regarding the catching situation is there really isn’t anything out there that is leaps and bounds better than Adam Moore. Ramos may grade out to be better than Moore but not by much. Thole has some big deficiencies in his game that are way too risky unless he’s the 3rd piece of the deal (no power/poor defender).

In the end I see Jack taking the best overall package.

5 years 23 days ago

As a Mets fan I am sure the Mets could work out a deal with the M’s that involves a combination of guys like: Reese Havens, Fernando Martinez, Dillon Gee, Josh Thole, Jenrry Mejia or Ruben Tejada……its so confusing- one day the M’s want a prospect catcher, the next its two major league ready hitters, the day after that its pitching…make up your mind….and yes most teams are not willing to give up a top prospect for Lee this year, but the Mets need a pitcher and want to win now….plus they have the money to lure Lee back next year….Omar Minaya will pony up the goods if he has to….as far as the Yankees go, they don’t need Cliff Lee, they just won a World Series, have the best record in baseball and 5 current or former All-Stars already in their rotation….as a free agent I expect them to make a run at him, but as far as this year, its ridiculous and unnecessary….not to mention nearly guarantees them a repeat.

5 years 23 days ago

For the Mariners, their are two ways determining Lee’s future;

1. Trade Lee as soon as possible while his value is at extreme.

2. Play the waiting game and continue starting Lee until the trade deadline in hopes of turning this season around.

Ill take the latter.

5 years 23 days ago

For the Mariners, their are two ways determining Lee’s future;

1. Trade Lee as soon as possible while his value is at extreme.

2. Play the waiting game and continue starting Lee until the trade deadline in hopes of turning this season around.

Ill take the latter.

richphillies
5 years 23 days ago

The last two times Lee was traded, the team didn’t get much for him. Why would a team get a ton now?

sparticus112b
5 years 23 days ago

Cliff Lee is pitching as well if not better than Roy Halloday. Jack Z knows how to work the trade market. There are a lot of close division races this year which makes Cliff Lee more of an asset to a team trying to compete to not only put them over the top but also to keep Lee out of the hands of competition.

BaseballFanatic0707
5 years 23 days ago

Plus a precedent was set via CC’s trade to Milwaukee.

BaseballFanatic0707
5 years 23 days ago

Plus a precedent was set via CC’s trade to Milwaukee.

richphillies
5 years 23 days ago

That’s not any different than midseason last year

sparticus112b
5 years 23 days ago

Cliff Lee hadn’t helped anyone get to the post-season yet, but not did he get his team to the post-season he dominated in the post season. There are great players that fail in the post-season. Now people think that if they get Cliff Lee and he gets them to the post-season that he guan tees you 2 wins a series. As good as Cliff Lee was last year he is even better this year. Only 5 walks, that is crazy.