Rosenthal On Jeter, Werth, Cardinals, Reds

Derek Jeter’s .264/.331/.372 batting line is remarkably similar to Marco Scutaro’s .271/.331/.372 line, as Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports points out. Scutaro’s a quality major league player, but the two-year $12.5MM deal he signed as a free agent last winter pales in comparison to the kind of contract Jeter seems likely to sign when he hits the open market after the season. Here’s Rosenthal’s Jeter update, plus other notes from around the majors:

  • Yankees officials do not plan to “play hardball” with Jeter this winter.  MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes suggested in May that $30MM over three years could be reasonable, but the Yankees don’t want to lowball their captain.
  • One GM who may have interest in signing Jayson Werth this offseason has doubts about the outfielder’s ability to hit in a less imposing lineup.
  • Cardinals manager Tony La Russa told Rosenthal that St. Louis made multiple waiver claims on hitters last month, though they “went nowhere.”
  • The Reds and Dusty Baker have exchanged ideas since the Reds offered Baker a one-year extension with no raise, according to Rosenthal. 


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53 Comments on "Rosenthal On Jeter, Werth, Cardinals, Reds"


Guest
4 years 11 months ago

3 year, 50 million for Jeter perhaps?
that’s not lowballing…

CitizenSnips
4 years 11 months ago

If Jeter is really as classy as people say he is he’d sign a $30 million/3 year contract out of respect for the Yankees knowing he’s in such a decline.

jwredsox
4 years 11 months ago

But I’m sure he thinks he can do better than he has this year and doesn’t think this is decline.

4 years 11 months ago

Well he’s getting up there. it’s got to start sometime isn’t it?

start_wearing_purple
4 years 11 months ago

Wow, didn’t realize Scutaro is outhitting Jeter. That said even if hell freezes over and Jeter hits the open market my bet is he’d still get at least twice the money Scutaro got. My bet is they sign a deal in November for 3 yrs/$36M with some kind of team option.

jwredsox
4 years 11 months ago

Scutaro has more xbhs (or doubles I forget) than Jeter the past 2 seasons too.

bobfromwork
4 years 11 months ago

Jeter has a small edge in wOBA this year and like a 50 pt edge last year…

NL_East_Rivalry
4 years 11 months ago

I find it interesting how if you take some one out of a strong line-up and put them into a weaker one they don’t do as well. People need to put that into consideration when over bidding for good players… Mets.

CitizenSnips
4 years 11 months ago

Is it really necessary for people to dump on the Mets ALL THE TIME? Come on, man, we’re aware of the teams faults.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 11 months ago

Yes, it’s becoming a running gag.

NL_East_Rivalry
4 years 11 months ago

Sorry, it’s just the best example I could come up with at the time. Mets have a good line-up and if they can get it together, they can make a strong push next year. Braves traded for McLouth last year and he ended up being a big disappointment and has some money coming to him.

icedrake523
4 years 11 months ago

Bay was bad this year because he changed his swing, not because of the guys around him in the lineup. You can see noticeable differences if you look at him last year with the Red Sox compared to this year.

MLB_in_the_Know
4 years 11 months ago

First off, didn’t mean to like your comment, hit the wrong button.
Secondly, he was bad this year because he isn’t good. He played well in a park built for his swing in Boston and then went to an actual Major League sized park in NY and then showed who he really is.

icedrake523
4 years 11 months ago

Sorry, but your comment is pretty dumb.First, Bay only played 200 games with the Red Sox, less than 1.25 seasons. His whole career hasn’t been inflated by Fenway Park.Second, Bay didn’t hit ANYWHERE this year. If it was Citi Field, he would have a ridiculous Home/road split. However, he had an 830 OPS at home and a 660 OPS on the road. He had 3 HRs at home and 3 on the road. The 3 at home were against Kuroda and Sabathia. His 3 on the road were against Millwood (a day he got tatooed) and Nolasco (Dolphin Staduim [or w/e it is] isn’t a hitter’s park).Third, Bay spent 6+ seasons with the Pirates and had very good years there. And I don’t think anyone will try to argue that he had a great lineup around him there.So to say Bay isn’t a good player and was seriously hampered by Citi Field is inaccurate. If that were the case, he’d have been bad in Pittsburgh and have hit much better on the road than at home this year.

bobfromwork
4 years 11 months ago

Yeah, from all the studies about production and it’s correlation to protection, the only differences are that if you don’t have protection you strike out and walk a sliver more (not enough to really have much effect on overall production). Yet people gloss over when a guy goes from unprotected to protected and struggle, yet emphasize when a guy gets protection and does well. It becomes correlation falsely; like a person who thinks there are paranormal activity in their house because there is a cold spot, neglecting the millions of more likely reasons behind he cause.

4 years 11 months ago

You are anything but in the know. What a ignorant statement. Maybe you don’t KNOW this but there is baseball played outside of the east coast. Bay has been a very good hitter for years. Way before he ever came to Boston.

Citi field is hardly a ML sized park. It’s much bigger.

bobfromwork
4 years 11 months ago

Agree with the statement, but outside of the 3 games with SD, Bays whole career has been on the east coast.

NL_East_Rivalry
4 years 11 months ago

The main difference I see is the change of Leagues. It was just a thought anyway. I don’t watch all the Mets games and Bay was hurt the last time Braves faced him. Hope Mets do well next year. NL East will be one crazy battle.

icedrake523
4 years 11 months ago

Hopefully that battle is between the Mets, Braves, and maybe Marlins and Nationals.

It’s heresy to say this as a Met fan but I’d like to see the Braves do well in the post-season since Bobby Cox deserves another ring.

4 years 11 months ago

How so when Bay was a NL player his entire career outside 1.25 seasons?

withpower
4 years 11 months ago

Yes, it’s necessary.

4 years 11 months ago

Way off topic but… It’s gonna be a long winter, while I know the Yankees are gonna sign Mo and Jeets sooner or later, I will pray every day(or at least try to) that Cashman doesen’t trade Jesus Montero. There are plenty of FA options out there not even counting Lee.

withpower
4 years 11 months ago

I’m with you.

I have a sinking feeling the club is looking at Teixeira’s contract at 1B and Alex’s deal at 3B/DH and they don’t see a spot for Montero.

Doesn’t make much sense to me, because with as old as the team is getting in certain spots I would think guys like Montero, Nunez, and Laird need to be on the bench as legit caddies for the old guys.

4 years 11 months ago

Laird still isn’t ready, he has to get used to Triple-A but I still think he will maybe spell A-Rod someday. He has legit power. I like Nuñez because he hits well, and plays great defense. Hey, If he makes those tools into skills and strengths, and develops power, I’d love to see him patrol SS for the Yanks after Jeter’s time is done. But regardless of Montero’s position, They would have to play him at the Catcher position. But I have the exact same sinking feeling as you do. Let’s hope Cashman realizes that the offensive monster in Montero is too good to pass up or trade, and comes only once in a lifetime. And hey, Montero could at least be average at the plate if he works everyday with Cervelli and Tony Peña.

4 years 11 months ago

This is just a thought… don’t bite my head off. They could trade Tex (possibly) when Romine is ready. That would push Montero to first. Imagine in a few years what the infield could be. Romine, Montero, Cano, Nunez, Laird. Also if they traded Tex they could probably get a big return.

4 years 11 months ago

What caught my attention of the post is the big return. But other than that Tex has a no-trade clause, and the only reason they signed him was to sign their Power-Hitting 1B to build around for upcoming years wih younger players. Of course that may not be the case now, but in a few years it will be. I doubt Tex ever gets traded and, he is more likely to finish his deal with the Yankees than any other player who signs that kind of deal with the Yankees.

4 years 11 months ago

I doubt it will happen, but it’s a thought. Honestly i think you could plug montero into catching the first 2 years of his career, or until Romine is ready. At that point, he could catch the days Romine needs a day off, and spell Tex a day off as well. On days that doesn’t happen he could just DH the whole game.

4 years 11 months ago

Your schedule doesen’t includde A-Rod. He is going to need to have some days to DH.

4 years 11 months ago

Good point i forgot about Arod, what an awful contract. I don’t think he’s going to need to DH as much as people say. What are the chances of montero ever being able to play third? I sandoval can play third montero could be able to play there every once in a while.

4 years 11 months ago

The chances are actually good, but it will take a long time. Montero does reflect Panda in ways but, Montero is lighter than he is, and has a more monstrous offensive upside. Panda and Montero are both very high contact hitters that don’t like to take a pitch, but with Kevin Long as the hitting coach(a very good one I might add)he’s bound to take pitches. But in the end I think Montero will end up playing Catcher, at least on an average level. I bet Tony Peña, what a great defensive catcher he was, will teach Montero how to block pitches and the plate. There are still issues to work out with game calling, an he’s got a good arm but release point is horrible. But I still think Montero will be a Catcher for a part of his a career, and then move him, I think that’s the approach the Yankees will take with him.

jwredsox
4 years 11 months ago

I, with all due respect, don’t see Montero ever catching a single game in the bigs outside of emergency. He is just that bad and doesn’t have the body for it.

jb226
4 years 11 months ago

Montero a once in a lifetime offensive player? Hyperbolic much? Even if we restricted the discussion to the catcher position (one hardly known for offensive production, generally speaking,) it’s just a crazy-silly statement, especially for a prospect who has proven nothing at the major league level.

bobfromwork
4 years 11 months ago

Actually, there is a scouting report that says he is a “once in a generation hitter.” I’m guessing that’s what the statement was in reference to.

4 years 11 months ago

pray to jesus about jesus??

4 years 11 months ago

This is serious man! Lol tho

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 11 months ago

This is serious? No, this is baseball. In the grand scheme of life, it’s insignificant.

4 years 11 months ago

“MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes suggested in May that $30MM over three years could be reasonable, but the Yankees don’t want to lowball their captain.”

Don’t want to lowball the precious Jeter by overpaying him. The myth built around this guy is ridiculous.

4 years 11 months ago

I agree with you about the myth built around Jeter. He’s never been an above average defender. He’s not worth what he’ll be asking for. Scutero makes about 5.5 million per year and has a better average than Jeter. It should be noted that Scutero has been playing with a bulging neck disk and pain in his right shoulder and still his numbers are better. The Yankees will over pay Jeter like they do with all their players. Sooner or later it will come back to haunt them.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 11 months ago

The myth around Jeter is around his defense. His hitting on the other hand is undeniably one of the best from any shortstop. Yeah the yanks will overpay Jeter but a) it won’t come back to haunt them and b) the fact of the matter is part of his salary will be because of his loyalty and importance as Captain to the team.

vtadave
4 years 11 months ago

Christine – how will “overpaying” Jeter (or anyone for that matter) come back to “haunt” the Yankess? Say they give him $20 million a year. Is that really going to prevent them from filling needs in the outfield, bullpen, and back end of the rotation?

He has been an above average defensive player – please see 2009. Consistently above aveage? No, but “never”?

4 years 11 months ago

“how will “overpaying” Jeter (or anyone for that matter) come back to “haunt” the Yankess?”

Bingo. The yankees can afford to overpay Jeter for his onfield contributions because he’s worth massive amounts to them just being on the team – especially the 3000 and other milestones approaching. They can afford to pay him the 30 mill for Marco Scutaro-lite numbers, if he returns to normal Jeter stat-lines that’s just gravy.

bobfromwork
4 years 11 months ago

Scutaro is a career utl guy and Jeter is a HoF SS. They do have similar numbers this year, but Jeter is just one year removed from having the highest WAR of any SS (7.4) and top 5 in the league.

Slopeboy
4 years 11 months ago

Can’t believe the Reds.After pocketing Revenue money for years and finally spending on players, now they look to low ball the manager. Baker has done a real good job when given decent players . The Reds FO is basically telling him ‘take a walk’ by offering a 1yr extention w/ no raise. How are they going to look if he walks away and they have to make a better offer to someone else?

CitizenSnips
4 years 11 months ago

Jerry Manuel’s probably gonna need a job!

4 years 11 months ago

The Reds have a good ballclub up there that’s going to be good for years to come. No sense in screwing that up now

jb226
4 years 11 months ago

I agree. That is a pretty insulting offer. It’s the kind of offer you make when you want to claim to have made an offer as you’re introducing your new manager and explaining why one who guided your team to success the previous year is employed elsewhere.

And I say that as a person who’s not a huge Dusty Baker fan.

4 years 11 months ago

Im no Dusty fan at all…just really dont like him…but…its insulting that he would only get a one year offer with no raise.

The Cubs need a guy. Im just sayin

Dizzyduff13
4 years 11 months ago

Don’t forget the amount of money the Yankees make off of jeter (shirts, jerseys etc). They can afford to overpay him, but that doesn’t mean they should.

BigRedOne
4 years 11 months ago

Rosenthal doesn’t do his homework. Both Dusty Baker and Reds owner Bob Castellini has said repeatedly, the initial offer was for more than 1 year. It was a SF reporter that speculated it was only 1 year. I guess Rosenthal’s college of journalism taught him to report speculation as fact.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 11 months ago

Who’s hating?

CitizenSnips
4 years 11 months ago

You mean a decent hitting/supbar defense year? At a premium defensive position like shortstop you shouldn’t pay the kind of money that’s been rumored at for someone who has had a good fielding year once in the last 8 years.

Slopeboy
4 years 11 months ago

I agree. Jeter has a lot of pride and will return to his norm next year. If you recall the year before, his detractors was saying how he had lost a step in the field and that his bat was slowing down and he came back to have a monster season last year. His stats never look great when compared with others, but all he ever does is win. Scaturo may have more hits or doubles, but Jeter has more rings!!

4 years 11 months ago

Yeah because everyone who is his age always plays as good as they did in their prime (sarcasm). Chances are the same thing is going to happen next year. He very well could bounce back but with one more year in age its unlikely.