Big Raise Ahead: Jose Bautista’s 2011 Salary

Arbitration Expert Breaks Down Bautista’s Value With MLBTR

A glance at the all-time single season home run leaders tells you all you need to know about Jose Bautista’s 2010 campaign. Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Roger Maris, Babe Ruth, Jimmie Foxx, Hank Greenberg, Ryan Howard, Luis Gonzalez, Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey Jr. and Hack Wilson are the only players who have ever hit more home runs in a season. 

Needless to say, Bautista is due for a raise. 

Bautista, who heads to arbitration for the fourth and final time this offseason, earned $2.4MM last year, and will make far more in 2011. It’s a question of how much more and the answer isn’t easy to determine. 

The problem is, few careers resemble Bautista’s. He played for four teams in 2004, played five positions in 2006 and seemed destined for a career as a utility man when the Blue Jays acquired him in 2008. And in 2010? He made the All-Star team and led the major leagues in extra base hits and home runs.

If your head is spinning, imagine how arbitrators – the decision-makers responsible for settling salary disagreements between teams and players –  would feel after considering Bautista’s case for a few hours. The Blue Jays have a history of avoiding arbitration, so there seems to be a good chance that they don’t go to a hearing this time, but the potential for one will shape the sides’ discussions.

The Blue Jays can argue that Bautista deserves a limited raise, but they have to be careful, according to one longtime arbitration consultant.

“You lose a lot of credibility with an arbitrator if you have a guy who had a monster year and you start pissing all over him,” says Michael Vlessides, who has faced most leading baseball agents on behalf of various MLB teams over the course of the past two decades.

In other words, Bautista has a strong case, and there’s not much the Blue Jays can do about it. But they can keep his salary in check and they could decide to offer him a multi-year deal, even though Bautista is coming off a remarkable season. 

Bautista’s Case: The Historic Season

Bautista’s representatives will likely argue that his season was historic, not just productive. He set the Blue Jays record for home runs in a season (54) and also ranks among the organization’s all-time single season leaders in slugging percentage (2nd with .617), total bases (5th with 351), RBI  (5th with 124) and walks (7th with 100).

Bautista just hit more home runs than Albert Pujols or Adam Dunn has ever hit in a season. More home runs than Jim Thome or Manny Ramirez ever hit. Among active players, only Alex Rodriguez, Ryan Howard and David Ortiz have matched Bautista’s 54 home runs, so he has joined some select company.

Under different circumstances, players like Jorge Cantu and Adam LaRoche could have been comparables for Bautista. Both entered their final arbitration season with similar career numbers to the ones Bautista now has, but Cantu and LaRoche weren’t coming off of such impressive seasons.

Last offseason, Cantu received a raise from $3.5MM to $6MM. It’s a substantial bump, but Bautista appears to be headed for more.

“Really that’s not the starting point for Bautista,” Vlessides said. “He had 54 home runs and as esoteric as baseball analysis has become over the years, arbitration remains a fairly simplistic process… We don’t talk about win shares or anything along those lines. So 54 home runs and 124 RBI is pretty sexy and this guy is not going at $6MM.”

LaRoche beat $6MM a couple winters ago. He agreed to a $7.05MM salary (up from $5MM) when he headed into his final arbitration year, but he had come off of a 25 homer-85 RBI season. Bautista’s representatives can argue that $7MM wouldn’t be enough for a player who had just had a historically productive season and hit twice as many homers as LaRoche did.

Bautista’s agents can compare him to a player on a much sexier career path than Cantu or LaRoche. Bautista has not produced as much as Mark Teixeira had at this stage of his career, but the Yankee first baseman could be a point of reference for Bautista.

Teixeira’s salary jumped from $9MM to $12.5MM after the 2007 season,  a year in which he had fewer homers, doubles, RBI, runs and walks than Bautista had this past season. Vlessides says Bautista’s representatives can use Tex as a comparable to show that Bautista had a better platform year, even if they admit that their client doesn’t deserve the $12.5MM salary Teixeira obtained.

The Blue Jays can gently point to apparent flaws in Bautista’s game such as strikeouts and his low batting average. But it’s hard to take issue with Bautista’s offense and he has more than his bat going for him. He plays right field and third base, doesn’t turn 30 until next week and has been healthy throughout his career. What’s more, he’s a respected clubhouse presence who helped welcome Yunel Escobar when the Blue Jays acquired him last summer.

Bautista’s side can argue that he has adjusted, learned and evolved into a completely different player from the man who had never hit more than 16 home runs before 2010. It’s a subjective argument and arbitrators won’t necessarily buy it, but it’s not unprecedented for players to find themselves during their late twenties. Arbitration panels sometimes listen when players pull at their heartstrings, Vlessides said.

Even if they just stick to the numbers, Bautista’s representatives can argue that he deserves a big raise based on comparable players and his place in history. Assuming Bautista doesn’t win the MVP award and assuming that his representatives don’t ‘reach’ for an unexpectedly high salary, Vlessides predicts a bid of roughly $10-11MM from Bautista’s agency.

The Blue Jays’ Case: The Pedestrian Career

The Blue Jays cannot and will not ignore Bautista’s massive 2010 season, but the team can point to his earlier mediocre production and argue that he hasn’t earned an eight-figure salary. Unlike Teixeira, LaRoche and Cantu at comparable points in their careers, Bautista has had just one standout season. That would gives the Blue Jays a certain amount of leverage in a hearing.

“What they would do is when they compare him to other players, they’ll say ‘these guys all had good seasons, but their career contributions dwarf that of Mr. Bautista and the only reason we’re talking about them in the same vein is because we recognize that he had a better platform year,” Vlessides said.

The Blue Jays can point to the raises others received and note that Bautista would earn less than $6MM with a comparable jump. However, Bautista’s representatives can argue that he deserves a bigger boost than others. 

“A smart agent will look at the raise and say ‘listen, raise is irrelevant here because Mr. Bautista has been a good citizen for his club,“ Vlessides said. 

Last winter, Bautista agreed not to take a raise since he hadn’t earned one. His agency can argue that it would be unfair for the Blue Jays to penalize their star for taking no raise last winter.

Bautista put together a fantastic 2010 season, but it wasn’t perfect, something the Blue Jays may remind a panel if the sides go to arbitration. Bautista, whose violent swing has always led to high strikeout totals, whiffed 116 times in 2010 and he batted just .260, though that figure represents a new career-high. 

Keep in mind that GM Alex Anthopoulos has never gone to an arbitration hearing, either as GM or when he worked on arbitration cases under J.P. Ricciardi. The Blue Jays have successfully avoided hearings since 1997, but if they do go to arbitration, the team figures to submit an offer of $7.5-8MM, Vlessides said.

The Bottom Line

Bautista’s ‘true value’ in arbitration (not to be confused with what he’d earn as a free agent) is below $10MM and likely sits around $8-9MM, Vlessides said.

Keeping Bautista Long-Term

A long-term deal for Bautista could take on many different shapes, depending on the team's willingness to offer guaranteed money and Bautista's eagerness to capitalize on his big season. Per team policy, the Blue Jays declined to comment on the team’s interest in reaching a multi-year deal.

The first year of the deal would likely be worth $8MM or so and the following seasons could be worth $14-17MM. Beyond that, there are many variables, but Vlessides can imagine the sides agreeing on a two-year deal worth $25MM including buyouts for vesting options. 

That depends, of course, on the Blue Jays’ faith in Bautista to approach or replicate his 2010 level of production and their desire to please the fan base with a feel-good move. Don’t forget that Bautista became a fan favorite in Toronto, where crowds greeted him with ‘MVP’ chants and showered him with standing ovations.

So while Bautista hasn’t set himself up for a Ryan Howard or Alex Rodriguez-esque deal, those 54 homers seem to have ensured him an $8MM payday next season. Not bad for a guy who was supposed to be a utility player.


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90 Comments on "Big Raise Ahead: Jose Bautista’s 2011 Salary"


4 years 10 months ago

This is my favorite post on this site ever.

buzzgene
4 years 10 months ago

He’s about as clean as those Miners pulled out in Chile today! What a fraud!

rzepczynski
4 years 10 months ago

almost funny … but is wasn’t

nicklovesAA
4 years 10 months ago

buzzgene…you are an embarrassment. please do not post again

4 years 7 months ago

THAT WASN’T FUNNY

4 years 10 months ago

Has he turned the corner to being a great player, or is he this decades version of Brady Anderson?? If he’s clean he deserves the big raise, but I’d tread very carefully on this one before locking him into a long term/ big money contract…..

Slopeboy
4 years 10 months ago

I totally agree. You don’t like to besmirch anyone’s accomplishments, but in this day and age, a turnaround like his is truly astounding. To avoid Arb, I would offer a 2yr deal with incentives to have him replicate the year and take it from there.

foxtown
4 years 10 months ago

He would turn down a lowball 2 year deal with incentives because he knows he can earn more either through arb or from another team.

4 years 10 months ago

He and his agent would be looking for 3 years guaranteed as a minimum, otherwise, they can take the arbitration and go to free agency next year.

4 years 10 months ago

Am I missing something??? Didn’t Ryan Howard have 58 HR’s in his MVP season:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/howarry01.shtml

4 years 10 months ago

I guess we could say “matched or exceeded” if that helps…

4 years 10 months ago

This is certainly going to be a fascinating story to watch unfold over the winter. I agree that NOBODY knows what Bautista is worth. The season was so inexplicable but yet there are so many signs that it’s not a statistical anomaly. He won’t repeat 54 homers again (even Pujols doesn’t hit that many) and might not even hit 40 again, but that doesn’t at all mean this isn’t a new Jose Bautista, and it doesn’t mean this season was just luck. He’s also got a great eye at the plate and is good in the clubhouse and has a cannon of an arm.

The Jays have been doing some interesting contracts lately where they have multi-year options (I think Gregg and Hill have this structure). Maybe you offer a contract worth $9MM in 2011, with a team option of $12MM in 2012 and $16MM in 2013 and 2014, but you have to choose all 3 option years or none of them after 2011. That gives the Jays another year to see if Jose keeps it up, and Jose can earn himself some security (3yr/44MM) by playing well next year.

But, given that he’s about 30, he might rather play 1 year, prove it’s not a fluke, and then try for that big 100MM deal afterwards. With my option described above he would probably be too old for a big payday after that contract expired.

johnsilver
4 years 10 months ago

This would be one risky, risky LT deal. A smart GM would almost have to let him do it again, or put up even close to what he just did and by that, an OPS of .850 and 100RBI, 35HR totals to give him anywhere near 3 years and 12m+ with him being 30 already.

slider32
4 years 10 months ago

You know the old saying – If it looks to good to be true it probally is- Let’s check to see if he went to the same doctor in Canada as A-Rod and Tiger.

rzepczynski
4 years 10 months ago

replace tiger with clemons then that makes sense

blurnandez
4 years 10 months ago

Ah, here comes the steroid allegations. I guess was mistaken in thinking that MLBtr was full of intelligent posters.

The_Porcupine
4 years 10 months ago

Excellent post. I enjoyed reading the thinking that goes on behind the scenes.

As for Bautista, you have to decide if he is in your plans long term. Do you believe he will still be an integral part of the team in 2-3 years? I can see him hitting 30hr’s again, but he’s definitely already peaked. The Jays already have one contract that’s an albatross (Wells), they can’t afford to have 2. At most offer him a 2 year deal at 20million. If you offer a longer contract for similar numbers, you will interfere with the team’s ability to sign other younger talent long term (several pitchers, Snyder). The safest option is to go year to year with him and risk losing him next year. If he has another superb season and the Jays express interest in retaining him, I’m sure he would be willing to work out an extension then too.

4 years 10 months ago

Blue Jays payroll this season: $78,689,357 (according to Cot’s).
Free agents: Lyle Overbay ($7M), Scott Downs ($4M), Jason Frasor ($2.65M), John Buck ($2M), Kevin Gregg ($2.75M)
Non-tenders: Edwin Encarnacion ($4.75M), Brian Tallet ($2M), Jeremy Accardo ($1.08M), Dustin McGowan ($0.5M)
Other: Roy Halladay ($6M)

I could see Frasor (Type A, accept arb), Gregg (option), and McGowan (non-tender, re-sign) coming back, but that’s otherwise around $25M or about 1/3 of their opening day salary coming off the books. Wells’ contract is what it is, but it hardly cripples them if they want to sign Bautista for a few years. The owners have gone to $100M payroll before and have indicated that they are willing to do so again provided AA sells them on it. The Jays have a lot of financial flexibility right now.

adameb
4 years 10 months ago

Was Ryan on the books for 10M this year too?

4 years 10 months ago

Yeah, you’re right. Forgot about the Beej. So $35M off the books.

moonraker45
4 years 10 months ago

mcgowan doesn’t need to be non tendered/resigned, since he didnt play he wouldn’t get a raise anyways, I really think at this point the jays just stick with it. They waited this long, he resumes throwing in november, so hopefully things go well.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 10 months ago

$500,000 is change that Rogers finds in their couch. Plus, I’m sure the last thing they want to happen is another Chris Carpenter situation.

rzepczynski
4 years 10 months ago

agreed Chris Carpenter just made Mcgowan another 500K, and that is the only reason he resigns

$1529282
4 years 10 months ago

Wells’ contract is what it is, as you said… but the Jays are definitely going to be wary of duplicating that mistake. The last thing they want is Wells earning $21M per season with Bautista earning $17M and both playing around a $4M-$5M value.

Not saying they shouldn’t lock Bautista up, merely pointing out that just because they’re getting out from underneath some bad contracts (Overbay, Ryan) doesn’t mean they won’t think twice about whether or not they’re jumping feet-first right back into another one.

Jose Bautista really is the most interesting thing to happen to baseball in the past couple years. I love it.

$3977112
4 years 10 months ago

So was Mark Mcgwire & Sammy Sosa’s HR chase and also Barry Bonds way back when.

4 years 10 months ago

My whole point is that the Jays aren’t a poor team and that Wells’ contract is hardly crippling their ability to keep their players.

I doubt that any contract to Bau will be as ill-advised as Wells’ contract and I would certainly be against any signing that would pay him $17M per.

4 years 10 months ago

I actually went through a mountain of data re: what the Jays can afford to spend on payroll (Rogers annual reports, Forbes Valuations, Media comparibles) for my blog, and the Jays COULD afford to spend upwards of $150-$170 Million and still be a profitable contributor as part of the Rogers Corporation. Think about that. ONE HUNDRED FIFTY MILLION…

moonraker45
4 years 10 months ago

based on what exactly though? no offense, i love the passion, but you don’t exactly have access to all the numbers, payrolls, expenses etc.. Realistically rogers could spend 300 million on the team next year and not sweat at all. but a) it needs to be done right and b) it has to make sense..

but i think the numbers, based on the current attendance, is off. If the yanks spend 200 million and make so much on merchandise and their tv channel, the jays lack both of those so i doubt they can spend anywhere close (and turn a profit)… if they spent 150-170 i would think it would be rogers just biting the bullet and using the jays solely as a advertising tool (as opposed to now, where they use the jays as an advertising tool)

bjsguess
4 years 10 months ago

I question those numbers as well. Toronto doesn’t pull in huge attendance. Their TV deal is just OK. They have no market in the US.

The Rogers family is filthy rich but I have a very hard time believing that the Jays can spend $170m and still make money while the Angels drop $120m and lose $10m.

bbbman
4 years 10 months ago

“Their TV deal is just OK.” You have no clue. The TV channel and team have the same owners.

bbbman
4 years 10 months ago

Their TV deal is just ok? Why would one arm of Rogers give the other arm a mediocre deal? There’s much more money there than you think.

moonraker45
4 years 10 months ago

that makes no sense, why would the other arm overpay for what the other arm owns?

yankees have the YES network, sox have NESN.. jays don’t produce a channel that is jays 24/7, they arent popular enough. Sportsnet needs add hockey, poker, football etc etc to turn a profit.

4 years 10 months ago

actually, YES had to bring in the Nets to start, and have pertnered with the Devils, as well as the New York (Football) Giants. it is in no way a Yankees-exclusive network. Similar for NESN.
Trust me when I say that all 5 sportsnet channels turn a huge profit. They reach a key advertising demographic, and provide reliable programming. The newest channel is being forced on distributors at a charge of $2-4 per consumer. There are apx 15 million cable and satellite customers in Canada. do the math.

bbbman
4 years 10 months ago

Their TV deal is just ok? Why would one arm of Rogers give the other arm a mediocre deal? There’s much more money there than you think.

4 years 10 months ago

Based on the fact that Rogers OWNS the TV stations as well as the team, and the building. Their net costs are significantly reduced.
I read the entire Rogers corporate financial report, and compared revenues from any other teams that have an ownership stake in their broadcast partner (YES, NESN, MASN, the new Rangers TV deal)
I then further extrapolated to include the entire population of the GTA, and included subscriber bases from the TV side for the rest of Canada.

Since the Cost of Goods Sold has been minimized for the Rogers company (they paid under market value for the team, and bought the stadium for peanuts) They are operating on better margins than most teams.

It’s a best case scenario, but they can definitely afford to be profitable at $150 Million

billybuckup
4 years 8 months ago

look here douchey mcdouche, he has stated he can hit 60(SIXTY)…how the F has he already peaked? and if he has, why give him anything? bow down to the beard!

adameb
4 years 10 months ago

I don’t think AA is going to go in and rip on his previous years too much, given his popularity and defensive utility. A 2/20 with a team option for another 2/30 after that sounds about right.

4 years 10 months ago

Does fan popularity really count for anything in these cases?

adameb
4 years 10 months ago

Only in the approach that AA takes. The stadium is empty most nights, and having your most popular player happy with the club is an important thing, especially in potentially his last year before FA. No need to build a bad relationship to save a half mill.

sadp
4 years 10 months ago

I accidentally hit the “like” button when I meant to hit reply…I think keeping fans happy at the expense of long-term vision is one of the major problems of the last managerial regime. That, and the emptiness of the stadium has been rather exaggerated.

Infield Fly
4 years 10 months ago

Sorry but I was in that stadium a few weeks ago and even for the Jays-Yanks series I would have to categorize it as largely empty. Whole chunks of upper deck were completely empty down the 3B line – infield and outfield and it was similar on the RF side (although not as bad). Even on the lower level there were entire sections with 1 or 2 people in them. The Jays played brilliantly and I wished there were more fans there to see it, but at least I was.

sadp
4 years 10 months ago

That’s cool, but it’s a 50,000 seat stadium so more than half the upper level is usually empty. I went to 40 games this season and there were poorly attended games in April and May, but rarely low in later months. I’m guessing you went to a Monday or Tuesday night game, am I right? Low attendance once the team’s out of contention for playoffs and the weather starts to cool off.

Infield Fly
4 years 10 months ago

Actually I went Sunday & Monday and found attendance fairly similar both days. Still, I see your point.

You know while I was there a number of Jays fans mentioned an additional reason for the empty seats. According to them, back in the 90’s (after the back-to-back ‘Series wins), the team jacked up ticket prices and alienated much of the fan base, many of whom never came back. Any truth to that?

BTW, I spent some time sitting in the RF seats right by Bautista, and (with the exception of the legroom) it was pretty cool. Quite a bunch of hecklers you got there too! We had a lot of ridiculous fun. 😀

sadp
4 years 9 months ago

It also depends hugely on the team the Jays are playing. Jays fans love to hate the Sox and the Yankees, and those teams draw in casual fans and their own dedicated fanbases so you get games with 35-45,000, whereas a team like Royals will give you a 12,000 attendance tops…
Plus the home opener is always full. It shows that there is a Jays fan base, they just want to see a consistent winner, and hibernate until they see it.

4 years 10 months ago

The stadium appears empty most of the time because of its enormous capacity (49,000+)
Even on nights when they draw 35,000 (a great number for most teams) the accoustics are terrible and the building seems empty. Ticket sales were down early this year, mostly due to pessimism regarding a rebuilding team. Next year will be much better.

adameb
4 years 10 months ago

And Jeter’s next contract will be….

4 years 10 months ago

My understand is that it can be part of the agent’s argument, to appeal to the emotion side of the panel.

iains
4 years 10 months ago

I think the answer would have to be something along the lines of 2 year + mutual option year with tons of incentives built in to vary the 2nd year amount. If he repeats what he did this year the 2nd year and option year should pay him big. If he reverts, then smaller base for the following year.

RonNasty64
4 years 10 months ago

I’d hate to be AA if I had to go to arbitration and lose JB after next season. AA might have to join AA after that.

AceGunderson
4 years 10 months ago

Personally, I’d like to see the Jays shop Bautista while his value’s at an extreme high. I think he has indeed turned a corner as a player and will be productive in the future, but A) I don’t think he’ll ever match the huge numbers of 2010, B) he’s a FA after 1 more year and will likely be seeking to be compensated accordingly (I sure as hell would), and C) I don’t see him as a player who’ll be in his prime when the Jays are really making a push with their young players in a few years, so he’s expendable for the long term future, IMO.

CuseJay
4 years 10 months ago

My thoughts exactly. Not his fault, but Bautista’s 54 HRs and 124 RBI didn’t help the Jays win anything this year, and they probably will not next year either. Those contributions would be a lot more valuable to a team on the brink of getting in the playoffs next year. If he has more value to another team and that other team’s prospects have more value to us, it’s time for a trade.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 10 months ago

Though he struck out 116 times in the season, it may be possible that it was a result of batting lead off for the first 6 weeks of the season. He struck out 68 times in the first half, but only 48 times in the second half, most of which got bunched up in the last 2 weeks of the season.

My opinion on what AA could do is give him a 1 year deal around $9mil and see what he can do in the first half next season. If he shows that he can OPS .900 still, extend him. If not, just let him play out the contract and let him walk. Because of the sudden spike in ISO and OPS, his value isn’t very high right now anyways.

AmericanMovieFan
4 years 10 months ago

An extension is the last thing I’d give this guy and it’s the last thing I’d take if I were him. I’d go to arbitration, let an arbitration committee decide what his salary should be and then try it again in 2011 and see what happens. And I’d say any numbers under an .800 OBP, 36 HR’s (i.e. past the 35 HR threshold) and anything less than 100 RBI’s and it’s a whole different equation. Basically right now he’s worth 1 year/$25MM. Obviously nobody in their right mind will pay him that much. I think the best option is what others have said- 1 year guaranteed with a whole ton of club options. 1 year/$12.5MM w/ club options for 2012-14 that have to all be picked up at the same time during the 2011 off-season and the whole contract probably shouldn’t total more than $58MM w/ a $2MM buy out and another club option for $17MM. If all that worked out for Bautista it’s a 5 year/$75MM deal, which seems both fair to him and reasonable for the club.

4 years 10 months ago

I don’t think this is a fluke, but I’m not convinced. He’s damn well earned his raise, but until I see another season of great production(doesen’t neccessarily have to be 50+ HR)that deal is ill advised.

EDIT: No way he is ever worth 100$M. A 4/65 would be reasonable if he has another productive season.

Backup_Slider
4 years 10 months ago

An excellent read. I have to think that the B-Jays will be gun shy about extending Bautista, not only as a result of Bautista’s prior track record, but also given their recent experiences had with extending Vernon Wells and Alex Rios (they were bailed out there via a White Sox waiver claim).

moonraker45
4 years 10 months ago

Baseball- where you get paid for what you did, not paid based on what you could do.. gotta love it

thegrayrace
4 years 10 months ago

Wow, who would’ve thought that perhaps the longest post ever on this site would be dedicated to Jose Bautista?

Backup_Slider
4 years 10 months ago

I imagine it would be the same guy who expected Cesar Carrillo to make 5 MLBTR headlines this season.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
4 years 10 months ago

^This.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 10 months ago

If the Jays were to trade Bautista whould could they reasonably get in return? BTW not making this a “Yankee” thing. I meant what could they expect from any team outside of the AL East?

Sniderlover
4 years 10 months ago

Blue-chip prospect and another good prospect.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 10 months ago

no way
i like Bautista, but he’ll need to prove that he can do it again before other GMs buy into him

Sniderlover
4 years 10 months ago

That’s what it would cost.

If the GM’s don’t like it then fine, Jays aren’t being forced or anything into trading him.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
4 years 10 months ago

If it were my call, I’d go ahead and give him his big pay day-for next year only right now. Bautista actually started his turn around the end of the 2009 season. So far he carried it through 2010. I see him as a bit like Carlos Pena. They both were seen as players with potential to be very good, they both struggled mightily, they both fought for playing time and they both slipped through several organizations before someone finally stuck them on the field and left them there for a season. I guess the big difference is that Bautista at his worse is a fairly useful utility player; Pena at his worst is virtually useless.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 10 months ago

He’s got a great arm, but in general, bautista’s not a good fielder, though he can play everywhere

moonraker45
4 years 10 months ago

I’d offer bautista a 3/30 deal and buy out his last arb, included a club option for 4/45. .

I figure this deal is team friendly enough, that if he hits 15 hr’s next year and keeps up the defensive attributes it wouldnt be the end of the world.

If you wait and just go through arb, even if he has a 30 hr, 100 bb, .250 next year he’ll easily command more (4/60) in the open market, especially in this lackluster 3b market.

rzepczynski
4 years 10 months ago

brutal deal… he will get around 7-8 in arb, that means you are paying 11 mill a year for a one good year player… btw im not saying he wont hit 30 next year cuz i think he will his defense is mediocre in right and 3b he is a rf and his arm makes up for lack of range… dont forget aaron hill and lind both are good players but signed after big years… even if bautista struggles next year i still sign him im just saying why sign a multi year deal at a players highest possible value, I personally would wait till mid season next year and sign for more years and less money something like 7mill, 8mill, 8mill, 8mill, club option for 10 with 2 mill buyout

moonraker45
4 years 10 months ago

lol ok so bautista hits 50+ then follows it up with 30 plus and he’s going to sign for 3/24? are you on some sort of crack to think he would take that offer. and adam lind gets 5 million a year, hardly a an anchor contract and aaron hill got his contract BEFORE his break year. .learn your stuff.

boyofsummer
4 years 10 months ago

I’d say his beard alone is worth 3/30.

boyofsummer
4 years 10 months ago

I’d say his beard alone is worth 3/30.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 10 months ago

Is it justifiable to give him a big pay raise if you are not a serious contender in 2011 or to the Jays feel like there might be a fall off for the Rays and maybe the Red Sox are vulnerable? The Jays have the starting pitching (Staff ERA of 4.30) and have some good ko numbers (3rd in the AL) but have some top bullpen arms headed into FA. They have plenty of HR power but very poor team Bat avg and OBP. Certainly Bautista carried them offensively.

He reminds me a lot of Cecil Fielder. Should the Jays keep him and add some talent to try and compete next year or should they trade him and try to add more talent for down the road? Does it make sense to give more money to Bautista but not spend any real money to retain other FA or bring others in? He’s a FA after 2011 is over right?