Odds & Ends: Alderson, Marte, Jeter, Mets, Werth

Some links to check out as San Francisco recovers from celebrating Brian Wilson's strikeout of Ryan Howard, which sent the Giants to the World Series…

  • Over at RotoAuthority, Tim Dierkes lists some Baltimore Orioles to watch for your fantasy team next season.
  • ESPNNewYork.com's Adam Rubin re-posted a selection of questions from a 2008 interview conducted with current Mets' GM candidate Sandy Alderson. Very interesting read. 
  • Damaso Marte underwent shoulder surgery this weekend and won't begin throwing until after the 2011 All-Star Break, writes MLB.com's Dan Mennella. If the Yankees want to look for some low-budget options, MLBTR's Ben Nicholson-Smith looked at some bargain southpaws last week.
  • Joel Sherman looks at the delicate situation that is Derek Jeter's free agency. Sherman concludes that Jeter is more valuable to the Yankees than to other teams, and that the 37-year-old will have to accept that it's not a "divine right" that he hit at the top of the order and play 150 games per season if his production doesn't improve. According to Sherman, Jeter's numbers may only warrant a one-year, $7MM deal or so on the open market, but the Yankees will bid higher. He offers up a speculative three-year, $45MM deal.
  • ESPN's Adam Rubin says the Diamondbacks will be pulling for Josh Byrnes to win the Mets' GM opening, as any money the Mets pay him will be deducted from what Byrnes is still owed from his five-year contract with Arizona. Potentially saving $1MM or so annually on their GM may be a factor if the two candidates end up being neck-and-neck, according to Rubin.
  • Jayson Werth's teammates don't see him returning to the Phillies next season, tweets SI's Jon Heyman.
  • Curt Young has declined the Athletics' offer to return as the club's pitching coach and will pursue another opportunity, according to a team press release. The San Francisco Chronicle's Susan Slusser speculates that he might be joining former Oakland colleague Terry Francona in Boston. That would make sense, given Toronto's decision to hire John Farrell. Slusser says the A's offered Young a raise of nearly 40% on a one-year deal.
  • The Boston Globe's Nick Cafardo, however, tweets that Young is likely on his way to the Diamondbacks' organization.
  • For A's fans thinking this could mean a reunion with Rick Peterson, Slusser also tweets a reminder that Peterson has one more year on his contract with Milwaukee.

137 Responses to Odds & Ends: Alderson, Marte, Jeter, Mets, Werth Leave a Reply

  1. Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

    Cashman: Okay Derek, how about 3/45MM?

    Derek Jeter: Nope, Sorry, I’m signing with the Orioles.

    • YanksPatsBruinsCelts 5 years ago

      Keep dreaming, Jeter will retire with the Yankees

    • Tim Blest 5 years ago

      Well, bye.

    • TapDancingTeddy 5 years ago

      Ha, ha, ha! Although in all seriousness, I can’t see the Orioles or anyone else paying more than 3/45.

    • nictonjr 5 years ago

      Did Hal really put a $200 mil cap on payroll?? Or is that Sherman’s thinking?? At $200 mil cap the Yanks really don’t have much wiggle room…

      • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

        Once they sign jeter and month, they essentially have enough to sign a big name and a few smaller ones.

  2. MetsEventually 5 years ago

    Now Werth’s overrated bat will be exposed when he’s not playing at Citizen’s.

    • vtadave 5 years ago

      Agree that he’s likely to be overpai a la Jason Bay, but it’s not like Werth has been a bum away from CBB. See that opposite-field HR the other night?

    • Just_MLB 5 years ago

      Nope Werth’s over-rated bat will be smashing homeruns for the Jankees !
      lol j/k

    • TapDancingTeddy 5 years ago

      I think Werth is a bit overrated, too. In this economy, I can’t see him being paid $15 million per year.

      Werth has put up some nice looking OPS+ numbers ever since arriving in Philadelphia. On the other hand, over the last three years he’s somewhat below league average in driving in runners (League=15%, Werth=14%) and for a power guy that’s not good. Power guys should be a percent or two ahead of the league average if they are driving the ball with runners on base.

      I don’t see either Werth or Crawford as linchpin type players who will draw 12 to 18 Million per. I think their futures will come down to whether or not a bidding war starts between two teams convinced they are the answer to a lot of problems.

    • BlueCatuli 5 years ago

      Is it the ballpark, or is it that he’s finally healthy on a regular basis? I’ll go with the latter.

      • MetsEventually 5 years ago

        His splits between Citizens Bank and everywhere else, look at it.

      • MetsEventually 5 years ago

        His splits between Citizens Bank and everywhere else, look at it.

  3. The Yankees are basicly bidding against themselves, just like the A-Rod situation. I love Jeter to death, but if he’s earning more than $15M next year… I don’t know but I’ll just be wicked pissed

    • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

      Well the yanks are bidding to keep their icon. His worth in New York far exceeds his worth in any other city… except maybe Boston.

      • Sniderlover 5 years ago

        I still don’t understand why you’d overpay to keep him. Even if you offer 3yr/30 million, how many teams will offer more than that, even for Jeter? He just had a bad season and is 37 years old and clearly on the downside of his career. It’s not like he’ll get a better offer anywhere and you’d think a guy who’s played with the Yankees his whole career would actually take a paycut considering he loves NY and Yankees have treated him great there and paid him well and he’s been the franchise player for years and the captain.

        At best, he should get a 2yr/20mil.

        • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

          Mostly because we tend to throw out conventional laws of economics when we enter the real world.

        • theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

          absolutely…one year 10…maybe some options…i’ll say it right up until he retires or is booted out…

        • markjsunz 5 years ago

          Jeter will get another payday. His age and stats are not the story, the story is he puts butts in seats, sells cable subscriptions, sells memoribilia, and all over priced items that are sold at the ballpark. The Yankees are loyal to there aging stars. The Yankees are post season bound almost every year. Yankee fans expect the best, they want stars, they want a winner. the Steinbrenner family delivers. I live in Los Angeles and the Dodger owners have to be the bigest creeps to own a major league team. 20 MILLION FOR ATTORNEYS FEES FOR A DIVORCE AND RISING.A business model of the next 7 years to double the cost of everything from soup to nuts and keeping the payroll the same,this was presented to the courts and is a matter of public record. And trading away there best minor league talent midseason to pocket the salary of the player traded to the Dodgers for six weeks which in essence is a round about way to sell off your talent. And of course Bud Selig is so far up there wazoo as not to do anything about it.

        • Slopeboy 5 years ago

          I don’t really care what he gets in terms of salary,but I can’t see see him at short for more than two years. The team needs to get younger at that position.

  4. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    Anyone else find it amusing that both series ended with players who have 9 digit contracts watching strike 3?

    • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

      I find it amusing that both of those players simply struck out to end their teams season let alone their 9 digit contracts.

    • Not amusing anymore. I’ve watched A-Rod watch a called strike three to end a game far too many times for it to be amusing anymore…

    • malcolmec 5 years ago

      It’s really a shame that casual baseball fans are only going to remember “Ryan Howard striking out to end the 2010 NLCS”. It was more like “Ryan Howard having a really good at bat against a tough pitcher, fouling off a few borderline strikes with a full count, and then getting frozen by a wicked curveball on the outside corner that would’ve locked up any hitter in baseball 90% of the time.” But so it goes…

      • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

        Translation: Wilson throws killer pitch, Howard baffled.

        • malcolmec 5 years ago

          Exactly. That was a killer pitch, and I’d rather Howard strike out by getting fooled by a nasty curve on the outside corner after working a full count then swing through three straight balls to end the season. My point is that there’s no reason for him to be ashamed of that strikeout or for anyone to think less of him. He worked really hard against a good pitcher and just got beaten.

      • jt24 5 years ago

        except he struck out looking on a pitch he usually hits into the stands

      • Just_MLB 5 years ago

        dont worry, carlos beltran still hears it 4 years later.

        • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

          Except people tend to remember that game because Endy Chavez… greatest defensive play EVER! I actually started rooting for the Mets after that…

          • Just_MLB 5 years ago

            i was there freezing my arse off in the upper deck…funny thing is…off the crack of the bat…the entire crowd went SILENT…I put my head down…closed my eyes…then went i went to peek, I saw the ball in Endy’s glove…and endy’s outstretched arm over the wall…

            where the momentum for me kinda changed was in the bottom of THAT inning. i think they had the bases loaded with 1 out and the bottom of the order up and not 1 run scored. had they kept their foot on the Cardinals throat and plated 1-2 runs, Beltran never even has to come up. they left 11 on base and were 1 for 8 with RISP.

            the ironic part is that in the 9th inning, valentin and chavez ( who both failed with the bases loaded ) both get hits off wainwright…now instead of bunting them over, according to cliff floyd, jerry manuel begged willie to not use tom glavine to bunt, but rather have cliff swing for the fences….the same cliff that had been inactive the whole postseason and could barely walk. cliff strikes out, reyes hits a scorcher RIGHT at CF, LoDuca Walks ( so unappreciated )…and Wainwright gets his intelligence back just in time for the heart of the order….sigh…

    • Tko11 5 years ago

      I loved seeing Ryan Howard strikeout for the final time this season.

  5. Sweet, I hope Curt Young becomes the Diamondbacks pitching coach, he did a great job in Oakland with thier young staff. With Daniel Hudson, Ian Kennedy, Jarrod Parker, and Barry Enright he will have plenty of young talent to work with in Arizona. Eric Young as first base coach was smart too. So far I love KT. go dbacks!

  6. theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

    really hope Jeter just gets one year with either club or mutual options…10 mill

  7. i bet jeter signs with the red sox

    • ELPinchy 5 years ago

      I bet you die in a fire.

    • Just_MLB 5 years ago

      as revenge for signing clemens/boggs/damon ?
      it would be hilarious if boston offered jeter a 1 year 50 million dollar contract JUST to mess with the Yankees.

      funny thing is, i still think jeter wouldnt do it.

    • ellisburks 5 years ago

      I really hope that does not happen. We already have a better fielding and hitting shortstop in Scutaro. For a lot less money and one more year which is when they bring up Jose Iglesias. The Sox don’t need or want Jeter.

  8. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    I’m so tired of Yankee fans and this debate about Jeter. We all know we’re going to overpay him. Please think of Jeter as you might your soon to be middle aged wife. Her body isn’t what it use to be, her exotic and adventerous dinners have turned into meatloaf and mashed potatoes and “date” night has resolved to dinner at Applebee’s and maybe a late night “quickie”. Tulo and Hanley are the new next door neighbor who jogs early in the morning and shows of her young, tight body. Her and her husband are newly married and are forever having public displays of affection. Oh yeah, and they just came back from vacation in Dubai. You want to trade your wife in for a younger woman but then you consider the years of loyalty and support she’s shown you. She’s the mother of your children and the house is in her name too. Then consider the backlash you’ld get from the kids, your family and the fact that she helped make you the man you are. She’s not going anywhere and you know it. Suck it up and learn to appreciate the wrinkles and the gentle feeling of predictability. And if you can find a good “utility” person to take some of the load off and fill in as needed then you do it but never, ever show a preference towards the “fill in”.

    • theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

      No…the reason i keep posting the more logical way to go…(like making a trade for Stephen Drew,Hanley Ramirez or Tulo)is because if the clamour of the fans was let Jeter go or bring him back only as a superutilty/DH guy…then maybe the organization might think of the fans first…if you accept that bringing him back is a foregone conclusion…then the Yankees will just believe we all want him…and i don’t…i loved him for what he did…but this is sports not a marriage…so as a competitive organization they should always go after the better player if it’s not too costly…and in this case it’s way more costly in money and wins to keep him…and in sports all marriages come to an end…so we shouldn’t romanticize the jeter experince…because if his game goes any further south…the boos from the stands will come reining down on him like any other player who does poorly in N.Y.C…and i keep asking if signing Jeter cost the Yanks Lee or going to the playoffs who is going to love him and buy his Tee-shirts then…his vaule will be reenergized when he retires…but as a player it will continue to fade as long as he plays…

      • jwredsox 5 years ago

        The Yankees aren’t getting a new SS. Jeter will be a Yankee next year and the Yankees have no choice. Stop pretending this is a videogame. Plus H-Ram and Tulo won’t be traded.

        • theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

          at some point Hanely will be traded…that’s guaranteed it might be in the offseason before his last year but it will happen…thats just the way the Marlins work…plus i am open to Stephen Drew as well…i know Tulo is pie in the sky…and if the Yanks got serious about making one of those trades happen it’s a good chance they could make it happen with the talent they have available for a trade…

          • jwredsox 5 years ago

            yes he will likely be traded if the Marlins stick to their frugal ways but there is no reason at all for the marlins to trade him right now when he has 3 cheap seasons left with them unless the Yanks want to trade their entire future for him.

          • theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

            actual 4 cheap years…but i believe it matters what is offered not his contract time…

      • HowdyDoo11 5 years ago

        What I can’t get over is how many of you Yankee fans are so quick to throw your perrenial star SS under the bus. I mean, look at what he has given your team since ’96! Now, one year after he hit .334 with 219 hits, 30-something SB’s, and good OBP, you guys just want to “replace, replace, replace”. It’s freaking disgusting. All you want is the “best of the best” … all the time. Give it a break, man. Have a little respect for your captain for once. Give him the time to finish out his great career with the one team that he helped the most. You guys write off too quick. Please.

      • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

        Logical isn’t acting as if acquiring Drew, Tulo or Ramirez as if it were that easy. All would cost a bundle of prospects. The more pressing needs aren’t at SS. Yanks can win w/ Jeter at SS. The question is how much and how long do you commit to him and where should he be placed in the lineup if he doesn’t regain his 2009 form?

        I don’t like to overvalue intangibles, but in the case of Jeter, his value to the Yanks is off the charts. They (Jeter, Cash and Girardi) just have to figure out how best to use him and for how long.

      • HowdyDoo11 5 years ago

        so happy i’m not a yankee fan. you guys live in fantasyland.

        • Slopeboy 5 years ago

          I agree and I’m assuming your response is to all those in favor of a trade. Not all yankees fans live in fantasy land as you call it. Some of us can accept not winning it all every year.

      • Tko11 5 years ago

        Tulo is as untouchable as they come…unless you’re literally willing to give your entire farm system.

    • Slopeboy 5 years ago

      Dude, a scary thought for you. What if you found out your wife didn’t see you in the same light…?

    • ellisburks 5 years ago

      If my wife cost me $200 000 000 over the span of our marriage I think I would go for the newer model.

  9. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Damaso Marte was such a waste of money. That’s exactly why I wouldn’t want to bring Wood back for anything more than 2/$10. What possessed Cashman to give Marte 3/$12 mil is puzzling.

    • icedrake523 5 years ago

      How many Yankee fans think Marte’s contract is justified by 8 outs he got in the World Series? All I hear is how Burnett was worth it for one game so I assume the same logic would apply to Marte.

      • Zack23 5 years ago

        Most of those comments are made tongue-in-cheek. No fan is happy those guys are overpaid and underperforming/hurt, but you dont win last year without Marte and AJ, so you kind of accept it.

      • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

        Burnett pitched decently thru all of 2009. Marte pitched well in the series vs the Phils. I’m grateful for what he did but let’s think about what we’re saying. That’s like signing Aaron Boone for a 4/$20 mil deal in 2000 and saying that despite his bad play from 2000-2003 the contract was worth it because he hit a walk off HR vs Boston in the ALCS. He’s a hero but anyway you slice it he was steeling money from 2000-2003 reg season.

    • Zack23 5 years ago

      Because he finally got a good LHP and wanted to keep him. Did he overpay? Yes, but who knows if he reached FA maybe a team would give him closer money (believe KRod and Fuenetes were the only 2 established closers available)

      • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

        Nobody was going to give Marte closer money. He came over in a trade with Nady and was in the last year of his deal where he missed signifigant games due to injury and missed time in Sept 08 as well. In his 11 year career he’s saved a total of 36 games. No one was giving him “closer” money. I appreciate what he did in the WS but he hasn’t contributed much at all before or since then. I just didn’t see the wisdom in a 3 year deal when he had health issues. He’s pitched a total of 30 innings in the last 2 years.

        • Zack23 5 years ago

          He missed time with a sore elbow because Girardi went nuts with him when he first came over, and there was nothing structurally wrong with his elbow.

          I’m not suggesting he could get 10m/year money, but he was the best reliever after Fuentes/Krod, and he was a very good reliever for seasons before the trade, and 18IP doesn’t change that.

          He got 3yrs/12m, you don’t think it’s impossible that team with a hole at closer would offer him 3yrs/15m if they couldnt afford Fuentes/KRod?

          • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

            He threw all of 18 innings for the Yanks in late July-Sept. I certainly would not call that overworked. He is a lefty specialist and that means you pitch when there’s a lefty. Most of his 25 appearances were 1 inning or less.

            He signed his deal in early Nov and he was on the market with F-Rod, Fuentes, Wood, Darren Oliver and Rafael Soriano. He’s a middle reliever and a good one when healthy but when you look at the deals of other top middle relievers like Darren Oliver (1/$3 mil w/ an option), Arthur Rhodes (2/$4 mil) and Scott Downs (3/$10 mil) it just seems like Marte could have been had for a lot less. I mean what did Marte show them in those 18 IP in 2008 that made him worth 3/$12 mil ?

    • Slopeboy 5 years ago

      Marte was given the contract because Cashman didn’t forsee the injury!!!

  10. Just_MLB 5 years ago

    I find it hilarious that the Wilpons would even consider Byrnes over Sandy Alderson just because they would split Byrnes’s contract with Arizona. If they pick Byrnes, I will find it double hilarious when all the Anti-Omar bloggers have no one to blame BUT the Wilpons for running the franchise into the ground.

  11. Just_MLB 5 years ago

    Jeter will get a 2 year 40 mil contract. And u know what…for all his service he would have earned EVERY PENNY of it. u yankee fans disgust me. not since gwynn and ripken have u had a player stick with the same org that drafted him. u have 3 in mariano, posada, and jeter. there are NO other options at SS available. ur better off looking like good guys and keeping Jeter and drafting his replacement than trying to replace him with the next hot thing.

    • Sniderlover 5 years ago

      You make it sound like Yankees have done nothing for him. For his services, he’s been paid well and got to win championships and he is a captain of a great franchise. That’s more than enough for his services.

      • Tko11 5 years ago

        He greatly contributed to all those champioships. Its a mutual relationship you cant just say the yankees did something for him as if he didnt do anything for them.

    • They disgust you for wanting to get better? It’s fine to have icons and love them to death, but there comes a point when it just doesn’t make sense to keep putting them out there when you could be putting a better player out there instead. Obviously you don’t want to do it while a player still has some value and is still a couple years from retirement, but it can’t always be helped when you could spend 1/5 on another guy instead of your icon AND get better production from the new guy as well.

      • Just_MLB 5 years ago

        ..What SS is available on the market that is worth pushing ur icon out the front door for ?
        im not talking about signing him to a 10 year deal. Im just saying, with all the money they have thrown out the window on bums like pavano and igawai…ur gonna tell me u cant cough up an extra 20 mill for Jeter ?

    • theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

      Please…the type of money Jeter was paid was for a guy hitting 40 hrs and 40 doubles a year…not a contact hitter…he was great for a long time and i love his focus and leadership but he is fading…and AL East is very competitive…signing him could mean the difference between a championship or a 1st round playoff lost or even between a wild card berth and being eliminated from the playoffs all together…but we shall see…

      • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

        The AL East is very competitive but even in his current decline, Jeter is still better than most. He still tanked top 5 in Bat Avg, OBP, BB, SB, Runs, Hits, RBI and Dbls and 6th in HRS. Granted, the level of talent among AL SS is weak but even in decline Jeter is #1 or top 5 in just about every offensive category. Defensively, his range has regressed back to 2008 form but his hands are sure and makes the plays he gets to.

        The conversation about Jeter isn’t keep him or get rid of him. It’s to an extent, how much, and more importanlty, for how long?

        I think Jeter can and will rebound offensively. He’s just to good to fall off that quick from 2009 to 2010. My biggest concern is his loss of OBP. If you look at the two main components of OBP, walks and hits, you can sort of see why he had such a bad year. His walk total of 63 is only down 9 from last year and is in line w/ his career avg of 63. What was way off were his # of hits. He had 179 which was down from his 09 # of 212 and off of his career avg of 192. His career BABIP is .356 and in 2010 was .307. His groundball rate went up and his LD% was down. It could be that he simply was unlucky in 2010 or that teams have learned where to pitch him and were best to defend him. Jeter simply has to learn to adjust to how they play him. I think so many try to address his signature inside out swing that it’s easier to predict where he’ll hit the ball.

        Regardless, Jeter isn’t as much of an assett, but he certainly isn’t the difference between winning and losing a championship.

        • theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

          No Jeter isn’t by himself the difference between winning and losing the WS…but at least for one more year they also have to worry about the decline and injury risk of Arod and Posada…and probably Mo Rivera and Andy Pettitte as well…but Jeter is the only one of the Free agents who will probably be Grossly over paid and get multiple years when he should be given 1 year contracts at just a little over market vaule…and the combination of all these older players could be disasterous…but Jeter if signed to multiple years with Arod will be the players they’re stuck with…slow and old on the left side of the infield…

    • CitizenSnips 5 years ago

      2 Year $40 million for a 36 year old SS with diminishing skills across the board? You must be an agent or working for the MLBPA.

      • Slopeboy 5 years ago

        You have no concept as to what Jeter means to the Yankees legacy. He is the modern age Joe Dimaggio, he is the latest Yankees icon who will represent tradition, winning and class for the future generations. Yankees ownership is very cognicent of that fact and will not trash that image, so they will over pay Jeter and keep him at SS for a reasonable time, hoping he will bow out gracefully and quickly.

      • Just_MLB 5 years ago

        nope, but look at the consequences of NOT giving him that contract and he bolts.
        imagine him getting his 3,000th hit in a NON-Yankee uniform. then imagine the yankees with NO substitute for Jeter and not making the playoffs.

        • theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

          i am fine with keeping him for his 3000 hits…make him a superutility guy and DH him sometimes…he is durable…so far…so let him play the infield and the corner outfield spots when guys need rest or out injured…he could get alot of at bats like that…

          • Just_MLB 5 years ago

            re: changing positions.
            i guess this is the part where u find out if jeter puts the team ahead of himself. if there is a point where we all see his fielding is not enough and is costing the team games. does he have the kind of character to move positions for the better of the team.

      • theyankeefanatic 5 years ago


  12. Wouldn’t mind the Yanks t at least take a look at Matt Thornton and Scott Downs, they would be a very good compliment to the Yanks Bullpen

    • jt24 5 years ago

      i would be a compliment to the yankees bullpen. (Mo is exempt)

  13. HowdyDoo11 5 years ago

    Thomas, you’ve been drinking too much company cool-aid. Let the man finish his career gracefully, will ya? Geeze.

  14. TapDancingTeddy 5 years ago

    Marte is the Pavano of LOOG pitchers. At least the Yankees got a good performance out of him in the 2009 WS. If he was available to get Josh Hamilton out in this year’s ALCS, he might have been able to justify his 2010 salary on that alone.

    In looking at Marte’s shoulder problems, I think it would be good if he retired, and we write off the contract as an almost total bust for the Yanks.

    As for those making comments on Burnett, he may still justify his pay. In 2009, he was mediocre on the regular season and stellar in the postseason. Reversing that in 2010, he’s been awful everywhere.

    However, his arm is not shot, he’s been healthy, has been working hard, and is good in the clubhouse. All of that says if he rebounds to 2009 or 2008 form next year, everyone will be happy to have him on board.

    • 0bsessions 5 years ago

      “In 2009, he was mediocre on the regular season and stellar in the postseason”

      In what alternate dimension is an ERA north of 5 considered stellar? The only word to describe Burnett in the postseason is “inconsistent.”

      • TapDancingTeddy 5 years ago

        You’re correct. I thought we won 4 out of 5 of his starts with one bad outing, but on further review we won 3 out of 5 with two bad outings.

        I guess when you team wins a championship the details become fuzzy, and fuzzy in favor of the players on your team. In AJ’s case that’s even easier to do since he is so good when he’s good. He gave up only 4 runs in the three outings we won.

        Of course, on the other side of things he surrendered 12 in the two losses.

  15. The Yankees will pay Jeter out of respect. While his .710 OPS may warrant $7 mil on the open market, the Yankees will give him more and really you can’t blame them. He’s been the face of the franchise for awhile, and overpaying is the name of their game, whether it’s to their benefit, or to the player. I’m not a Yankee fan, but Derek Jeter has done more than enough to earn it.A’s fans worried about their staff w/o Young, don’t be. Curt Young was as much the reason the A’s pitching was good as Jim Skaalen was the reason the offense was bad. Everyone who’s ever seen a BaseballAmerica cover knew who Brett Anderson, Trevor Cahill, and Gio Gonzalez were long before Curt Young was their pitching coach.


    • CitizenSnips 5 years ago

      Rewarding ball players for stuff they did in the past is stupid and unfair to the players who actually are producing. This isn’t the Oscars. It’s not like they’ve been paying Jeter peanuts either and he’s had some tremendous years where he has earned that money.

      • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

        see offensive ranking among all AL SS.

        • Yeah it should also be mentioned that a .710 OPS is pretty darn good for a shortstop in the AL these days. He’s also undoubtedly the most valuable at that position among the free agent class.


        • theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

          He is still amoung the top…but ss is weak…so that ain;t saying much…and i only want them to make that move…after they satisfy their pitching needs…i know pitching is paramont…

      • jwredsox 5 years ago

        Derek Jeter is the Yankees. He isn’t going anywhere and the Yankees have to pony up to keep it that way. He has been well worth what he has been paid in merchandise sales, production, and championships. The Yanks owe it to him to show the same commitment and it would be a terrible PR move on their part to let him walk especially since he is close to the 3,000 hit milestone. It wouldn’t be right for him to reach that milestone on any team but the Yanks.

        • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

          Have to agree. Certain players transcend the rivalry, Jeter is one. While I’ve always maintained he’s an incredibly overrated defender it’s impossible to deny that his bat is HOF quality, especially for a shortstop. But ultimately it’s his calm leadership abilities that have made him a player that many people call a “face of baseball.” The yanks will and kinda have to pony up to make sure he stays… and quite honestly even though it’s for the yanks, as an old school baseball fan, it gives me a warm feeling that a player draft by and became a star and leader of a franchise plays out his final years with said franchise.

          • Just_MLB 5 years ago

            “and quite honestly even though it’s for the yanks, as an old school baseball fan, it gives me a warm feeling that a player draft by and became a star and leader of a franchise plays out his final years with said franchise.”

            EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!

          • Fangaffes 5 years ago

            Agreed. He will stay and become the Varitek of the Yankees.

            Besides, what would “The House That Jeter Built” be with Jeter playing elsewhere.

      • theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

        thank you…they owe him nothing…they paid him very well.

    • theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

      Are people aware of how grossly overpaid Jeter is…and thats fine while he is producing and contributing to wins…but they don’t owe him anything…he played great he got paid…that was a fair exchange…many players are left behind when they want to continue…why does Jeter have to be different…not to say he needs to retire now…but what would be wrong if the Yanks made a trade for a better ss.why couldn’t he take less money and player a lesser role…do they owe him the ss position and if they do then for how long…there must be a painful seperation at some point…

  16. theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

    OK…everybody loves Jeter…he is the God of shortstops…he is Mr. Yankee and it would take the whole farm system to trade for Stephen Drew or Hanley Ramirez…so he stays…4 years 80 million…good nite baseball fans…Debate with you tommorow.

    • Just_MLB 5 years ago

      in the meantime u can try to draft the next jeter or find him in DR/Venenzuela

      • theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

        they had a chance to do that…this past offseason and pick up Miguel Angel Sano but they let the Twins take him…they didn’t want to pay his free agent price…so they are behind schedule in developing a high end ss…which Miguel Sano was said to be…but we’ll have to wait and see…

        • Just_MLB 5 years ago

          miguel sano signed the largest bonus that year ( despite doubt about his age ) remember he was supposed to go to the pirates first. The yankees signed gary sanchez a 16 year old catcher for 3 million.

        • Just_MLB 5 years ago

          miguel sano signed the largest bonus that year ( despite doubt about his age ) remember he was supposed to go to the pirates first. The yankees signed gary sanchez a 16 year old catcher for 3 million.

        • Just_MLB 5 years ago

          but in general, i think the reason they havent really tried to go all out at SS is sorta related to the joe montana / brett farve theory. when the leader of ur team is moving toward his later years, replacing him can be a painful process. montana didnt get moved til mr. marshall laid him out in NFC championship game and it took forever for the packers to let go of Farve. My money is on the Yanks riding out Jeter til either Tulo/Hanley/Drew become free-agents. Jeter would be pushing 40, and could make a possible run for the all-time hits record…being that DJ has always been clean, scandal free, it would be nice if he can stay on for 6 more years, break the record, then go off into the sunset.

  17. kravmaga12 5 years ago

    I am a REDSOX fan and I think his only value would be to staying with the Yankees! He will get 2/30mil. Jeter is one of my favorite players! He will stay in NY! He is a wonderful player! Just because his numbers declined a little bit doesn’t mean he won’t have a bounce back year in2011! He doesn’t have to be the star of the Yankees anymore with AROD!

  18. kravmaga12 5 years ago

    I am a REDSOX fan and I think his only value would be to staying with the Yankees! He will get 2/30mil. Jeter is one of my favorite players! He will stay in NY! He is a wonderful player! Just because his numbers declined a little bit doesn’t mean he won’t have a bounce back year in2011! He doesn’t have to be the star of the Yankees anymore with AROD!

    • cubfan4life 5 years ago

      Like you i think that he stays in NY. However if they are smart they wont go past a 2 year deal. Even if they have to pay him more per year to get him to take less years.
      Looking at current contracts once it gets to mid 2012 or the 2013 offseason there are a couple of big name guys that NY could acquire just because teams may not be able to afford to keep them around.
      But i do look for a bounce back year for Jeter. Even though im no NY fan.

  19. Just_MLB 5 years ago

    Personally Im hoping Jeter gets the all-time hit mark and plays for 5 more years.

  20. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    You know this may sound really out there, but part of me thinks that Cashman and management may have already broached the idea of Jeter eventually moving from SS during the course of his next deal. Based on how much Cashman seems to covet Eduardo Nunez (supposedly not wanting to include him along w/ Montero for Lee) maybe this scenario plays forward…

    2011- Posada divides his time more evenly between C and DH. Montero starts off in AAA and after a hopefully good start is called up and shares both duties with Posada. Eduardo Nunez sees 30-40 games at SS and 3B.

    2012-Posada retires and Montero becomes full-time C. Arod plays DH and Jeter moves to 3B. Nunez becomes full-time SS unless Jose Reyes becomes available or someone like Hanley Ramirez hits the market and the farm is in good shape. Does that sound plausable?

    • theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

      that’s something that could happen…but isn’t Arod a better 3rd baseman than jeter…to me there is really no place for Jeter after 2011 and to me thats pushing it…what about the 3rd base prospect Bradon Laird who will be in AAA this comming season…if he develops into the player the Yanks believe he can be than he will be better than a 38 year old Jeter as well…so why not use him….and Arod could still play 3rd in 2012…he is a year younger than D.J. so why couldn’t he field his position as long jeter fields ss…Nunez at short in 2011 or 12 i can see or a trade in 2012 for Drew or Ramirez or picking up Reyes in free agency maybe…Posada departing and Montero taking over would be great…but Jeter past 2012 i don’t know…hope not.

  21. Fangaffes 5 years ago

    Question for Yankees fans:
    Is it possible that ARod could be the new SS. Or is that out of the question now because of his hip?

  22. Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

    This is completely avoiding the topic, but I bet the Yankees do have a package big enough to pry Tulo out of Colorado, which will not happen for at least another 3 years if it does happen.

  23. I personally hope he stays in Colorado. At least draft some SS this year like they have been doing at the Catcher position for years…

  24. theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

    i don’t think that deal can get done but they do have enough for Hanley ramirez…especially if they use granderson in a trade to a big market team and then use those pieces in a Ramirez trade…

  25. If we got Tulo and lost Jeter i would cry of happiness. And yea i think we do have the pieces to get him if we needed to.

  26. Dylan 5 years ago

    Granderson stinks.

  27. Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

    Hanley is better than Tulo so no they dont or cant.

  28. No he doesent. He was monster in the second half of the season coming off an injury in the first half

  29. theyankeefanatic 5 years ago


  30. theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

    Thank you….the only reason to trade granderson is because crawford on the market and maybe his trade brings in better pitching or a better ss.

  31. Just_MLB 5 years ago

    lolmonster ?.253 average with 43 RBI’s is monster nowadays ?!?!i love yankee fans and their hyperbole !

  32. theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

    at this point the edge might go to Tulo…because he is better defensively and is more focused…Hanely isn’t as motivated since he got his big contract…he needs to be on a team that is competing to bring out the best in him…i believe it’s the reason for his drop in production…

  33. Sniderlover 5 years ago

    Granderson is a CF and Crawford is a LF, how does that make sense? If Yankees do sign Crawford, then Swisher or Gardner would get traded.

  34. Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

    He has not had a drop in production since he signed his contract…2nd of all, explain to me why he isn’t motivated? He loves playing for the Marlins. If you are talking about his one occurence with Fredi Gonzalez, that was one occurence in which he has improved his behavior upon. So dont say he “isn’t motivated”. He is.

  35. vtadave 5 years ago

    I find it pointless to speculate on whether a player is motivated or not (we don’t know), but Hanley’s OPS plummeted 100 points this year. Pretty big drop in production.

  36. vtadave 5 years ago

    Every team in baseball has “the pieces” to get Tulo, but all 29 wouldn’t part with what it would take to get him.

    Dodgers could get him by offering Clayton Kershaw, Andre Ethier, Jerry Sands, Dee Gordon, and a couple other prospects. They wouldn’t do that, and they likely wouldn’t have a chance to even make that offer, as Ned Colletti would be getting a dial tone by even asking about Tulo.

  37. jwredsox 5 years ago

    Why use OPS in this situation? It is only a big drop because his slugging went down a bit, but if you look at a better stat like wOBA which only had a drop of .30 still good enough for 2nd among SS. Sure he was second to Tulo but Tulo needed a monster of a month to reach that wOBA and Tulo played 20 games less then Hanley due to injury.

  38. theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

    agreed…thats why it’s a good time to trade for him…the Yanks traded for Swisher when his stock was lowest…but at Hanley’s age he is worth the risk…

  39. Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

    He said “since his contract” well since he signed that big contract, hanley has been 30-30 and won the batting title as well.

  40. theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

    What…? they would just move Gardner back to the position he has played all his life…which is Centerfield…Swisher in right Crawford in Left…didn’t Gardner play CF when Granderson was hurt…?????

  41. jwredsox 5 years ago

    Hanley’s stock is low? I guess moving down from consensus #1 SS in the majors to possibly #2 (depending on who you talk to) is a pretty big drop I guess.

    Here is how the conversation will go:
    Cashman: How much for Hanley?
    Marlin’s GM: Let’s start with your top 3 prospects and then add more.

    Hanley is young, cheap, and plays a premium position. The Yankees will have to open the farm for him and I mean Montero, Romine, Banuelos, and more. I only see the Marlins making the trade if it is severely one-sided for them.

  42. ELPinchy 5 years ago

    Even if you draft all shortstops this season, the odds are against even one of them both making it to the MLB level while staying at the short stop position. If you read prospects reports the majority of them concerning SSs tend to be one of 2 things 1)doesn’t have the athleticism,arm or will become too big to play ss likely move to 3b or 2b 2)all glove and no bat and unlikely to ever hit ML pitching. The position is tough to fill.

  43. ELPinchy 5 years ago

    Well to be fair the Yankees tend to play to their strengths in trades. They are less likely to give up top prospects but more likely to absorb albatross contracts (i’m not that familiar with their organization)

  44. theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

    First…i also mentioned Stephen Drew…and the Marlins will trade Hanely at some point,even if it’s just with one or two years left on his contract because thats how they operate…Second the Yanks use most of their prospects for trades because they usually like major league proven talent so giving up many players/prospects is not unthinkable…and if the Yanks took Crawford…then a team like the LA Angels who want a player like him would probably be open to a trade for Granderson once Crawford is off the market and L.A. has good prospects…the Dodgers could also use Granderson and maybe even Detroit might take him back…so the possibility of getting a good package for him is very real…that package could be moved for Hanely and if that wasn’t enough then the Yanks could begin to use their own farm talent…and Stephen Drew could take less to acquire…

  45. jwredsox 5 years ago

    Hanley is their ‘worst’ contract. They don’t have any longterm albatross contracts.

  46. jwredsox 5 years ago

    exactly. And that is exactly he reason a legit ML SS is so expensive to acquire (in reference to the guy who wants the Yanks to acquire Drew, Hanley, or Tulo)

  47. Slopeboy 5 years ago

    I guess you’re ready to take over for him.

  48. Tko11 5 years ago

    It was amazing to watch his incredible two week stretch towards the end of the season, where he looked as if he was impossible to get out and kept hitting homeruns.

  49. theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

    please they don’t need to put Ethier in the deal with Kershaw one or the other but not both…

  50. Just_MLB 5 years ago

    no one has a package big enough to pry Tulo, not even Farve. ( i kid i kid )

  51. Just_MLB 5 years ago

    umm the reason they dont put gardner in CF is the same reason they moved on from Bernie and Damon. the guy has a weak arm. u could’ve just kept austin jackson and had an OF of gardner, jackson, and swisher.

    but the yankees always have to have the shiny new toy. lol

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