Seven To Eight Teams Show Interest In Cliff Lee

1:55pm: The Astros may make a run at Lee, in the opinion of SI's Jon Heyman (Twitter link).  He names the Cubs, Red Sox, Angels, Dodgers, and Phillies as other surprising suitors.

11:40am: Seven to eight teams have already shown interest in free agent lefty Cliff Lee, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.  He says the Yankees and Rangers are still the favorites, but the Phillies, Dodgers, and others have checked in.

As Rosenthal notes, it's questionable as to whether the Phillies or Dodgers could come up with the money for Lee.  He's expected to sign for significantly more than $100MM.  I imagine the Nationals checked in as well; they do have the money and are known to be interested.  While the Red Sox and Angels appear poised to spend their money on position players, we won't count them out until they say so.  At any rate, I'm excited to use the Mystery Team category here at MLBTR for the first time this offseason.

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  1. dc21892 5 years ago

    Not a suprise. I will be suprised if Lee signs soon. If I had to guess he’s almost certainly going to heavily weigh his options. It’s not going be hard to find a place that feels right to him though, obviously it’s going to come down to a handful of teams.

    • Infield Fly 5 years ago

      ….And a boatload of money!

    • LordD99 5 years ago

      He’s going to heavily weigh his options until he’s sure he has the highest offer he’s going to get in hand. He wants to be at a place with a chance to win, but they will have to pay. Highest offer wins.

  2. Smrtbusnisman04 5 years ago

    I know one of those teams has to be the Pirates!

    Not to sign, they just want to figure out his value and how it affects the rest of the market, cuz they desperately need a good SP.

    • Ian_Smell 5 years ago

      If only they would have acquired him for Jason Bay. Dammit Neal.

    • Ian_Smell 5 years ago

      If only they would have acquired him for Jason Bay. Dammit Neal.

  3. It really comes down to Texas and NYY. The Red Sox are just showing interest to drive up the price and the other teams are just putting on good face for their fans so they can say, “we tried”. IMO

    • mattevilspawn 5 years ago

      I’ll be interested to see how it plays out. As much as I’d like to see him land w/TEX, in the end I think CC’s influence and a ridiculous offer from the Yankees will win Lee over to the dark side.

      After being traded nine hundred times in the last three years, do you think Cliff Lee’s new contract will include a no-trade clause? Please discuss. 😉

      • I think the only way he gets a no trade clause is if one team is extremely desperate. Alot of teams are weary to give them on big money long term contracts. Maybe some type of limited no trade but IMO extremely unlikely. Most teams as a policy dont give no trade clauses anymore. i dont disagree. History shows most times the team gets screwed.

    • flickadave 5 years ago

      The Red Sox have only $100m committed to salaries compared to their 2010 payroll. It isn’t like they don’t have any money to spend and if the were to sign Lee they could potentially use one of their other starters (Dice K (and some cash)along with Lars Anderson and Felix Doubont maybe?) to pry loose Adrian Gonzalez and that takes care of the 3rd base issue (shift Youk to 3rd) and provides another #1 starter. This would kind of mirror what the Yankees did with Texiera. Not only would they improve their team but they would keep him away from their fiercest competitor.

      • Of course they have the money. Dont forget too that Dice k does have a no trade clause which makes things a little sticky. IMO it would take more than that to get AGON. I think you would have to include Kelly, Kalish, Rizzo, maybe even Ellsbury. The Padres already said they would only trade him if they got an offer impossible to refuse. They can ride him out next season and offer arb, which he obviously wont accept, get their two picks and move on. Also if the sox were to pick up Lee and trade for agon your looking at two 100mil plus contracts with big years. Not the Red Sox style. I just dont see it happening.

        • woadude 5 years ago

          Dice K is good friends with Ichiro and would probably waive his no trade clause to play with him.

          • LordD99 5 years ago

            No man is friends with Ichiro.

      • coachofall 5 years ago

        that package wouldnt get you David Eckstein let alone Adrian Gonzalez…..sorry

        • I agree. Neither would the names I put out there. Thats just a jumping of point.

          • flickadave 5 years ago

            Yeah, you guys are probably right. The Red Sox style is more like signing Lugo, Renteria, and Drew to big contracts while the Yankees sign the really top notch players. I included Lars because he is still a fairly high level prospect who is a power hitting first baseman that the Padres could fit into their low payroll. That’s also the reason that I picked Dice K (because the Sox could cover his salary) and Doubont. In my mind, asking the Sox to give up the other guys you mentioned pretty much makes the deal unworkable. The exception I would make to that is Kelly. If the Sox signed Lee, that makes Kelly more expendable.

          • Rentawreck and Lugo 9mil a yr, Drew 14mil a yr dont really compare to the 20+ mil a yr both Lee and Agon are going to command. Not even comparable.

          • woadude 5 years ago

            They would take Rizzo over that “really top notch power hitting first baseman” who has been in the minors how long before a brief and i mean brief stint in the majors this year in which he looked more lost than a deer in headlights.

        • woadude 5 years ago

          exactly,the only package worth taking would be Iglesias, Kelly, and some players with promise who can be under team control, play with San Diego’s heart strings and you can come up with a deal, they want talented cost controlled players who they can have for arbitration cost for the next 4 years not some players that are going to make more than Agon at half the talent (thats you Ellsbury).

      • vtadave 5 years ago

        I guess he could still have a nice career, but after an awful 2009 and so-so 2010, I’m still puzzled that Lars Anderson appears to have so much value in some folks’ minds.

        • I think some get caught up in the hype and dont pay attention to what the player actually does performance wise. His value is definitely low right now. I dont see him going anywhere for anything significant. Rizzo is the big hyped name now for the Sox. Lets see how he pans out. Not to mention Hoyer has alot of knowledge about these prospects from his time with the Sox front office. He wont be fooled.

      • InLeylandWeTrust 5 years ago

        The Padres would hang up the phone as soon as they heard Dice-K being a major part of the deal without hearing the Sox out.

      • woadude 5 years ago

        San Diego doesnt want Dice K or have any use for Lars Anderson, the only scenario would be they bid on that Japanese guy to be their SS of the future and trade Iglesias, maybe Doubront (he built some value) and Kelly for Gonzalez and then get Cliff Lee, thats spending 2001 Red Sox money right there when they had Pedro and then shelled out for Manny, remember when they did that?

    • woadude 5 years ago

      hey way to take what i said into a different thread, but watch the Red Sox actually sign him, then you will be surprised, I hear Boston is shopping Dice K and Seattle is interested as well as a different team, which means they may have a shot at Lee., you heard it here first.

      • What did I take into another thread? Dont even think Ive read anything of yours until right this second.

  4. stl_cards16 5 years ago

    Didn’t the Tigers already “say so”? I’m not saying you should count them out because you never know when a team has that much to spend. But I seem to recall an article that the Tigers front office said they will not pursue Cliff Lee.

    • theroundsquare 5 years ago

      I recall that as well. Dombrowski said around the end of Sept. that the Tigers aren’t in on Cliff Lee.

    • InLeylandWeTrust 5 years ago

      Tigers aren’t going to pursue Lee. We have Verlander as our ace and Scherzer was incredible when he came back from the minors, Porcello should bounce back and be a solid #3 with the upside of a #1, Phil Coke is going to be our 4th starter this season as well. If we don’t stick with Gallaraga in the rotation, theyd go after an innings eater. Were using that money on a premier bat, and bullpen help.

      • woadude 5 years ago

        i like how you forgot your near perfect game pitcher in that argument.

        • InLeylandWeTrust 5 years ago

          …what? Yes i did mention Galaragga, and only somebody who doesn’t follow the Tigers would say Ragga is a dependable 4 or 5 pitcher. Hence I don’t think he should be in the rotation.

  5. Cody 5 years ago

    $100MM on a 32 year old? I hope the Dodgers don’t bite.

    • dc21892 5 years ago

      Why? The Dodgers hand out terrible contracts to pitchers all the time but then they shy away from pitchers who can actually help.

      • thegrayrace 5 years ago

        Don’t think they’ve really given a terrible contract to a pitcher since Jason Schmidt 4 years ago…

        Wolf, Kuroda and Padilla all worked out relatively well for them. Lilly is yet to be determined.

        • dc21892 5 years ago

          All of the big money they’ve put into those middle of the rotation starters need to be considered bad contracts.

          • vtadave 5 years ago

            Like who? Unless it’s a one-year $20 million deal, I fail to see how a one-year deal for a guy along the lines of a Padilla is a “bad” contract. Was Kuroda a bad deal too?

          • lakersdodgersyankees4life 5 years ago

            yes, the 5M for Padilla was HORRIBLE!

  6. Gumby65 5 years ago

    If he signs with the Yankees, Mrs. Lee can join the Rotary Club.

  7. BravesRed 5 years ago

    Knowing Wren, he probably showed some interest.

    • ATL_Mindset 5 years ago

      not unless Lee is winning to get paid in prospects

      • BravesRed 5 years ago

        Either that makes no sense, or you’re somehow making a reference to something Schuerholz did, and not Wren.

      • NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

        ummmm…any chance of you wording that any different?

  8. not_brooks 5 years ago


    12 years. $348M.


    • BlueCatuli 5 years ago

      He would be 44. How can a team justify paying a 44 year old that kind of money?

      • Tko11 5 years ago

        He was joking…

        • vtadave 5 years ago

          Hopefully Blue realized that—quickly.

        • BlueCatuli 5 years ago

          I’m hoping. You never know. Yesterday someone suggested that the Tigers become a fantasy baseball team, and tried to defend it.

          • Tko11 5 years ago

            Id love to hear xub defend this haha.

          • Tko11 5 years ago

            Id love to hear xub defend this haha.

      • InLeylandWeTrust 5 years ago


      • moonraker45 5 years ago

        how can you justify taking that deal seriously?

  9. kingcorran 5 years ago

    It would be silly to think the Mariners won’t check in, even if they ultimately decide they cannot afford to bid competitively. They’re the ones that witnessed his best first-hand all season, despite their inadequacy.

    They won’t get him. But they’ll be calling.

    • InLeylandWeTrust 5 years ago

      No chance in hell Lee would even consider returning to Seattle.

    • I agree that the Mariners should give him a call. It’s not like they have a small payroll. Lee said he decided he didn’t want to walk anybody this year because Seattle’s LHP friendly big park and speedy fielders made always throwing strikes a good gamble.

  10. Randy_McWeen 5 years ago

    Cardinals…trading pujols to the dodgers, then signing Lee

    • JTCar 5 years ago

      I just don’t see it.

    • NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

      ummm…drugs are bad m’kay?

    • BravesRed 5 years ago

      We’ll go with Billingsley, Kershaw, and Ethier won’t be with the Dodgers, because it would take a lot for that to even happen.

      • Randy_McWeen 5 years ago

        Pujols Rasmus Garcia to LAD for Kershaw, Kemp and your top prospect…Cardinals then sign Cliff Lee…BOOM!

        • BravesRed 5 years ago

          Why would the Braves give up Teheran and get nothing back? Pujols only can bring about half the Dodgers prospects, plus some of the major-league roster back to St. Louis. That’s a thing for Rasmus by himself that the Cardinals would want back. Garcia can possibly bring back Kemp, and two top prospects back. Put all them together. The Dodgers would only have Pujols, Rasmus, and Garcia as their team.

  11. JTCar 5 years ago

    Why would the Phillies want him back? They are set with H20 and a reliable #4. I think they are doing it as a PR move. Same with Werth. When either finally signs for an exorbitant amount of money, the Phillies can come back to their fans and say:”It was not that we couldn’t afford (insert name)’s asking price. But we couldn’t justify allocating that amount of resources to what we already consider a position of strength within our organization. If you take a look at our team, there are other areas of concern that need to be addressed. Although our payroll is in the top 5 of major league baseball, our resources are not unlimited. Hard choices have to be made and unfortunately, this is one of them. We feel that going in a different direction is in the best interest of the Philadelphia Phillies. We thank (insert name) for his contributions to our organization and wish him well in the future.”

    • JohnKruksWaistline 5 years ago

      You’re probably right, but the answer as to why they’d want him back is obvious: they’d have the dirtiest rotation in all of baseball, almost ever. It would really hinge on finding a taker for Blanton. Right field isn’t really an issue and can be solved internally (it’s ok to have somewhat of a weak spot in the lineup).

      • JTCar 5 years ago

        I like your thinking. It would be the dirtiest rotation in the MLB. But I don’t think anyone will take Blanton unless the Phillies eat a good portion of that salary. They tried it before, and no one was willing to pay Ruben’s asking price.

        As for the weak spot in the line-up, it seemed the entire offense was a weak-spot against SF. I am still not sold on Brown being the everyday RF. It’s not Manuel’s style. I can see a platoon (like they originally did with Werth) this season in both RF and LF (Ibanez is not getting any younger).

        • JohnKruksWaistline 5 years ago

          It wasn’t just San Fran, it was all year. It’s well documented. Brown platooning is what I meant to imply; Francisco would be fine with him in that role. They may have tried to deal Blanton before but they didn’t exactly exercise patience. Eating some of his salary for a year would be a small pill to swallow.

        • myname_989 5 years ago

          It might just be me, but as long as the Phillies return ask isn’t anything special, 2 yrs / 17MM isn’t all that terrible a contract for a serviceable guy like Joe Blanton. Even if they eat a small amount like 2MM, you’re looking at 2ys / 15MM. That’s not a bad deal.

          • Muggi 5 years ago

            Joe’s 3yr/24m contract signed last offseason was heavily backloaded – he was only paid $3m last year. He’s got 2/21 left…and that’s a bit much for what he gives

          • myname_989 5 years ago

            He gets 8.5MM over the next two years. He was paid 1MM in 2010 and received a signing bonus of 6MM. That’s what Cot’s says, and I was assuming that the signing bonus was received up front. Lol

          • Muggi 5 years ago

            AH gotcha, I think I see where I got confused.

            Cot’s spreadsheet of payroll obligations lists Blanton at $10.5m each of the next two, so it looks like the bonus WASN’T paid up front..but in a trade I’d assume that $2m wouldn’t be involved.

      • gigantes2425 5 years ago

        It would be crazy if philly got him. Most teams have a hard time finding 1 ace and they’d have 3. It would suck to play them in a 3 game series.

        • 3? You mean 4?

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            just 3. cole hamels aint no ace

          • myname_989 5 years ago

            That’s “says you,” right? Because his numbers certainly disagree with you.

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            he has a career era of 3.53.. he’s susceptible to the long ball, only has 7 career CG and only hit 200 innings twice in his career…

            He is a very good pitcher, I won’t take that away from him.. but put his numbers up against true aces and its not even close. . He’s a very solid #2. .

          • myname_989 5 years ago

            Not to discredit the entirety of his numbers, but if we’re looking at Cole Hamels at this point in time, (delivery tweak, added cutter), he definitely matches up with almost every team’s ace. You can make a case that he isn’t an “elite” pitcher, ala Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, etc., but there’s a difference between being the best in the game, and an ace. How many people would call CC Sabathia a number 2? They had very similar seasons.

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            CC has had 4 straight years of 230+ innings of sub 3.20 era with 14 complete games in that time frame ( his cg’s have gone down on account of moe )

            CC is the prototypical, front of the rotation workhorse. . while the numbers might be similar, its the amount of quality innings that you get from a true ace that makes cole hamels sit out side that category, he barely averaged over 6 innings a start this year.

          • myname_989 5 years ago

            That first paragraph is actually kind of the point I was making. I think it’s safe to say that Cole Hamels really discovered himself in 2010. I don’t think it’s fair to say he’s NOT an ace because he hasn’t the time to pile up a lot of innings. Although I agree the elite pitchers are going to throw a ton of innings, some guys just don’t have the bodies to accumulate that kind of work. I’d rather get six or seven stellar innings out of my “ace” a start, than have him wear himself down and become ineffective over the course of a season.

            That’s just my opinion though, and that doesn’t go very far. I just think that, that “workhorse” mentality is more of an added bonus in the way the game is played today, especially if you have a strong bullpen (ala, Mo.) coming in behind you. I think the bottom line is that several teams would be happy to call Hamels their “ace.”

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            bottom line is any team happy to call Cole their ace probably wouldn’t go far. its the reason the phillys brought in lee, then doc and oswalt in the first place. Cole just doesn’t stack up to the big boys. THe phils are a win now team, getting in to the playoffs, and facing lincecum, carpenter, hudson, sabathia, lester, price, lee etc. etc etc. he just doesn’t match up to the aces..

            So i reiterate a very good pitcher, but not an ace.

          • malcolmec 5 years ago

            Cole had one start in which he only pitched one inning before a long rain delay forced him out. He had another start (the last game of the season) in which he was taken out after 2 scoreless innings because the Phillies had already clinched and the game was meaningless. I think we can all agree that Cole was taken out of those games for reasons beyond his control and can hardly count them against him. Without these outliers, he had 31 starts and 205.1 IP, or 6 and 2/3rds innings per start. Seems like an ace workload to me.

          • malcolmec 5 years ago

            Cole had one start in which he only pitched one inning before a long rain delay forced him out. He had another start (the last game of the season) in which he was taken out after 2 scoreless innings because the Phillies had already clinched and the game was meaningless. I think we can all agree that Cole was taken out of those games for reasons beyond his control and can hardly count them against him. Without these outliers, he had 31 starts and 205.1 IP, or 6 and 2/3rds innings per start. Seems like an ace workload to me.

        • Jesse Tu 5 years ago

          Too bad they won’t.

      • They won’t find a taker for Blanton without eating half his salary, which kills the point. The only way they get into the Lee sweepstakes is by moving Hamels, who is about to get very expensive after this season ($9.5M in 2011, then one more year of arbitration before free agency). If Hamels doesn’t want to talk extension, RAJ will look to trade him sooner rather than later. After all, he did it with Cliff Lee.

  12. icedrake523 5 years ago

    I feel bad for fans of the Mystery Team. Every year they’re in on almost every free agent but never land a single one of them.

    • JTCar 5 years ago

      It’s kind of like “Will”. Poor guy gets shot all the time….as in “Shoot at will”

      I know. It was pretty bad.

      • myname_989 5 years ago

        It was worse than you think. Lol

      • icedrake523 5 years ago

        That was worse than “The jerk store called, they’re running out of you!”

        • moonraker45 5 years ago

          What does that matter, you’re their all time best seller!

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            Ya, well I selpt with your wife!

            ………His wife’s.. in a coma

          • icedrake523 5 years ago

            You skipped “Who cares? You’re their best seller!”

  13. MannyBeingMVP 5 years ago

    Why doesn’t anyone talk about the Dodgers converting Jonathan Broxton from a closer to a 5th starter? Let’s face it, Broxton lots his marbles as a closer. But he has good stuff. The Dodgers need another starter maybe Broxton good give them five good innings every fifth game. Then the Dodgers would just need, pitching-wise, an extra quality middle reliever, or two, with Kuo, Belisario and Jensen closing games out. Kershaw, Billingsley, Lily, [Kuroda or Padilla or Garland], and Broxton. This leaves the Dodgers will money to go after a decent left fielder and maybe a one-year rental of Juan Uribe or Ryan Theriot at second base.

    • I get scared when I see Broxton in there for two innings, five would be just horrible.

    • gigantes2425 5 years ago

      Way to be optimistic. But that’s not going to happen. Broxton can’t get through 1 inning and you want him to try and get through 5?

    • thegrayrace 5 years ago

      Seriously? The guy has terrible secondary pitches and barely has the endurance to get through a single inning. After 20 pitches, he’s clearly exhausted. Not happening.

      He should be moved back into the setup role. Jansen and Kuo have better stuff.

      • lakersdodgersyankees4life 5 years ago

        ok, he isnt going to be a starter, but wth are you talking about with terrible secondary stuff? He has one of the best sliders in the game and has 2 FBs. As a closer, its more than enough…

    • lakersdodgersyankees4life 5 years ago

      Its not gonna happen. But lost his marbles? Man, some fans are so freaking fickle. One season, and into this year he was the best, and 2 bad months and he sucks?

  14. PhilsPhaninPhlorida 5 years ago

    It was interesting to see the Phillies as one of the teams interested, however the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.. By allowing Werth to walk, the $$ that would have been used to re-sign him would go toward Lee. If Lee was serious about loving to have played in Philly, and is willing to give a slight discount to be on the 4 straight NL East Champs, surely likely to be the NL Favorites to once again go to the World Series.. Can you imagine a starting pitching lineup that would go: (1) Halladay (2) Lee (3) Oswalt (4) Hamels (5) Blanton

    A Platoon of Brown/Fransisco and Ibanez/Fransisco will keep a RH in the line-up on a daily basis, plus as much as they say the Phillies are a Left handed batting team, having both Victorino and Rollins as SW makes the difference.. leaving only Utley and Howard as the 2 everyday LH hitters. I am sure the Phillies will also aquire another RH OF as well.. and I like Fransisco, given everyday chance, he’s definately a 20 HR/SB guy..

    1) Rollins (ss) – switch hitter
    2) Victorino (cf) – switch hitter
    3) Utley (2b) – lefty
    4) Howard (1b) – lefty
    5) Fransisco/Ibanez/Brown (lf/rf) if replacing Brown
    6) Fransisco/Ibanez/Brown (lf rf) if replacing Ibanez
    7) Polanco (3b) – righty
    8) Ruiz (c) – righty

    vs LH Pitching, Phillies would have 6 of 8 batters hitting Right-handed
    vs RH Pitching, Phillies would have 6 of 8 batters hitting Left-handed

    SP) Halladay (RH)
    SP) C. Lee (LH)
    SP) Oswalt (RH)
    SP) Hamels (LH)
    SP) Blanton (RH)

    That would be the BEST rotation in all of baseball!

    Madson and Lidge for the 8th and 9th innings are fine with me..
    Re-sign Conteras and get another lefty for the pen and we’ll be fine.

    Phillies just raised ticket prices by $5 per seat.. with sellouts everynight, that’s an extra $2.25+ million a year in income… Take off Werth’s salary, Moyer’s and Lidge next year… and its actually feasable that the Phillies can pull this off!

    • Tko11 5 years ago

      Get over it…Lee is not going to come back to Philly. Philly fans are just like yankee fans. They think every single player would LOVE to be a part of their team more than any other team. I know this because I live in PA and 97.5 the Phanatic is the only sports station to listen to…

      • Well, to be honesty guys do want to come to Philly now…Why would Roy Halladay want to sign an extension and come to Philly…why would Oswalt waive his NTC to come to Philly…this would never have happened years ago. And oh yea..try 610 WIP if you dont like 97.5.

        • BigBangBoom 5 years ago

          Wow really? Halladay signed the extension as part of his trade agreement. It has nothing to do with him liking philly because he would have done the same had another contender (sox, yanks, twins, etc) got him in the trade. Same with Oswalt who wanted to go to a contender who was going to pick up his 2nd year option. The phillies needed pitching and were willing to do that so he decided to go there. All these moves were pure business, nothing to do with loving the city,team or fanbase. (since they haven’t had any experience prior to their trades)

          • cbcbcb 5 years ago

            You are absolutely wrong. The Phillies and the Red Sox were the only teams Halladay would go to and he said the Phillies were by far his favorite choice

          • BigBangBoom 5 years ago

            “10:32pm:’s Jayson Stark hears that Halladay would approve a deal to the Phillies, Yankees, Red Sox and Angels. The Rays and Dodgers are possibilities, and one person “who knows [Halladay] well” doesn’t think he’d go to the Mets. Check out Stark’s entire article for a detailed breakdown of the “Doc on the block” part two.”

            This was on Mlbtraderumors last year…so you’re wrong? unless you have another source.

          • BigBangBoom 5 years ago

            “10:32pm:’s Jayson Stark hears that Halladay would approve a deal to the Phillies, Yankees, Red Sox and Angels. The Rays and Dodgers are possibilities, and one person “who knows [Halladay] well” doesn’t think he’d go to the Mets. Check out Stark’s entire article for a detailed breakdown of the “Doc on the block” part two.”

            This was on Mlbtraderumors last year…so you’re wrong? unless you have another source.

          • Cliff Lee seemed to love it here when he was playing here. Roy Halladay seemed to love the idea of coming to Philly so much that he signed a below market value extension… he should be making double what CC is. Roy Oswalt came here because he wanted to win and his option was not picked up. Polanco and Ibanez came here because of the club house and Polanco played here before we started winning…

          • BigBangBoom 5 years ago

            My fault, your right Oswalt didn’t want his option to be exercised but the phillies did increase their buyout for him. But Phillies weren’t the only teams Oswalt was interested in, but they make the best offer to the astros and was on his list so he acepted. Also Halladay like i posted above had a list of team too and the Phillies were one of them. Accepting the extension was part of the trade agreement which he probably would have accepted for every team on his list. Look i know Philly is a great place with a very good club but stop making it seem it’s never about the money (look at planco and Ibanez both getting decent 3 year deals, Placido even said had the tigers offed him arbitration he would have accepted.) or other business factors and simply saying EVERYONE WANTS TO COME PLAY FOR THE PHILLIES CUZ THEY’RE AWEZOME!1!1!!

        • Tko11 5 years ago

          I’ll check that out because unfortunately 97.5 makes me really not like Philly teams. But as far as Oswalt goes, didnt he say he wanted to go to a winning team? I dont blame him either after the past few years in Houston.

  15. A couple columnists recently have speculated that the Cubs could get in on the bidding but I think they said that more out of ignorance than anything else. The Cubs have other priorities and won’t have the money, it’s just not happening. The Cubs are a mystery, but not this mystery.

    • moonraker45 5 years ago

      Hey you never know, sign cliff lee.

      Trade Zambrano and Soriano for Grienke and Soria.

      It could happen

      • Lol, hey Dayton Moore isn’t exactly the brightest bulb when it comes to dealing with major league talent, he might be in on that. But no, it may happen for some other team but not the Cubs.

    • Trivia Jockey 5 years ago

      I agree, the mention of the Cubs in this story is the biggest, fattest red herring ever. With them REDUCING payroll, they’re not going to ADD the biggest salary of this year’s free agent market.

      • I could only see it if the Ricketts come out and say “hey, we were just kidding about that payroll reduction thing” or if they decided to make an exception for a talent like Lee. They don’t seem to be the type though, I believe they’re pretty highly leveraged after buying the Cubs so I don’t think they could do it if they wanted to. Maybe, but probably not.

  16. would love to have Lee, but there are bigger holes for the Dodgers to fill. Kershaw is a true ace. Bills & Lilly are legit 2&3 guys.

    would rather spend money on a left fielder, catcher, and/or second baseman

  17. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    I’m betting all 30 teams show interest… only 8 have hopes. But still, my bet is it’s still Rangers or yanks.

    • Yep, I’m going with the Yankees. Rangers are a nice story but since it appears the Yankees have their mind set I don’t think anyone is going to outgun them. Sure, a couple teams could do it if they really wanted to but I think the Yankees have so far been the most open about their desire so I see them pulling it off.

  18. MadmanTX 5 years ago

    I think if it comes down to money, the Rangers would be willing to overpay Lee more than the Yankees could. The Rangers are devoting all their budget in free agent signings to Lee and need him more than the Yankees do. The Yankees were already loaded with their huge payroll without Lee…and they still lost to the Rangers. That should tell Lee something about which is going to be the younger, hungrier and more positive team to play for for the remainder of his time as a ballplayer. The Yankees clubhouse is a mixture of hired guns taken from other teams and has more than one prima donna in it. The Rangers are a team. Period. These guys really love each other and take up the slack when one of them gets hurt. The Yankees fall apart if a guy like Teixiera gets hurt or if CC isn’t pitching well. The Rangers may have lost to the Giants this year, but they proved they can get to the World Series with Lee and with this year’s experience behind them, they will be competitive for years to come. The Yankees can’t say the same.

    • I hate to break this to you but Cliff Lee now falls into that “hired gun” category and he will sign where the most money is offered.

      • moonraker45 5 years ago

        I hate to break it to you, but the guy clearly said the rangers will be willing to overspend the yankees.

    • I am not trying to bash the Rangers as they are an incredible ball club, but they really thrived in a very weak division this year. If the Angels return to form next year I am not certain the Rangers win as many games as they did this year. And talking about the impact of injuries on the Yankees, you really cannot ignore the susceptibility of injury to the Rangers. When healthy that team is incredible but Nelson Cruz, Ian Kinsler and Josh Hamilton seem to miss significant time each year. If they use all of their money to sign Lee they won’t be able to afford any parts for a supporting cast of players. What happens if Hamilton, Cruz and Kinsler go down with injuries? Lee can only pitch every five days and they are going to need to have others to rely on.Of course, you can’t predict injuries and you can’t really plan your spending financially on them. However, 25 million a year consumes a lot more of the budget in Texas than it would in NY. The Yankees can afford to have a contract like that, but the Rangers really can’t as we learned with AROD. I know the ownership has changed and the Rangers truly have a great chance in bringing Lee back, but I think Lee would do them just as much harm as good financially, especially once Cruz, Kinsler and Hamilton start getting significant raises and even reach free agency.

      • oakland will be tough as well if they get a few bats and devine comes back strong dont overlook them i think its gonna be more than 2 teams though why not the mets they sure have money to and need him with santana getting injured like he has lately

      • flickadave 5 years ago

        Of course the Rangers also just signed a TV deal that pays them $80 million a year for the next 20 years and an $80 million one time signing bonus in 2011. It’s fun to see other teams be able to financially compete for players the Yankees would have been sure to sign previously.

    • mbonzo 5 years ago

      I must begin by saying that the Rangers are the best team in the AL West and have the best farm system. HOWEVER, the Yankees had a better season than the Rangers despite only having two healthy and reliable starting pitchers. I am not going to argue who the better team was in the postseason because personally I think the Rangers got extremely hot at the right time posting a .400+ BABIP against the Yankees in that series. Anyway, I am sure there is something that Cliff Lee sees in his old team that will want him to come back. They do have a great farm system and they do have great club chemistry. Its impossible to tell though, whether they’ll be able to hold on to stars like Hamilton and Cruz in the future, especially if they give Lee so much money. On top of that, the Rangers starting rotation had a good year but I would still consider it a bad one without Cliff Lee. The Yankees rotation on the other hand already has an ace and believe it or not, the Yankees pitching farm system depth is one of the deepest in baseball, its possible to argue its the best.

      As for accusing the Yankees for being a clubhouse of “hired guns”, that is such a ridiculous argument. The Yankees had more homegrown talent on the team in 2010 than any other team in the AL. The Rangers were one of the lowest. Despite that, who cares if a team is made up of guys acquired in free agency or guys from a farm system as long as there is good chemistry and they win.

      You were right about one point, the Yankees didn’t prove they can go to the World Series with Lee. But you forgot that just 1 year ago the Yankees won the world series… not only without Lee, but against him. I’m sure Lee remembers the Yankees winning the World Series right in front of his eyes in 2009, and I’m sure he remembers seeing the Rangers lose it in 2010. Both teams have have a huge chance in the future, so I’m sure none of what you just said will have an effect on his decision.

  19. mystery team= Brewers

    • moonraker45 5 years ago

      If it came down to who needs cliff lee the most, the brewers would win that competition easily

  20. InLeylandWeTrust 5 years ago

    The Yankees are obviously the favorite, with Texas behind them and nobody else is in the running.

  21. dc21892 5 years ago

    I wonder if they Angels moved some bad contracts if they can go and make a serious run at Lee and add a bat or two.

    • cookmeister 5 years ago

      i think they can and will get rid of River and one of Napoli/Mathis, but to make this scenario i think they would have to try and trade Abreu (unlikely) and Kazmir (which they want to do, but not sure any team would take on his contract)

  22. icedrake523 5 years ago

    Anyone else get the feeling Heyman closed his eyes, threw some darts on a map, and picked the teams closest to them and said they’d make a run at Lee?

    • BravesRed 5 years ago

      The only one I would agree with you on this one would be the Red Sox. If Lackey and Beckett return to their normal selves, then there would be no need for Lee.

      • icedrake523 5 years ago

        I don’t think the Cubs, Astros, or Phillies have the money to give him a deal. If Lee meets with them, it’ll be for a free lunch.

  23. Cubs need to get rid of Fukudome and Big Z. They showed to play at the end of the season, now time to get rid of them. I could see if NYY miss out on Cliff Lee then they could pull off a Zambrano trade. Fukudome I could see Padres. Then if they’re out of a play off hunt, then they will trade A-Go and Ludwick and Blanks to 1B Fuku will take over RF. RF- Fukudome/ BlanksCF- VenableLF- Ludwick

    • stl_cards16 5 years ago

      That’s a pretty expensive outfield for the Padres. But I would love to see Big Z crack in New York.

      • Lol, I don’t think NY wants Z because I think they’ve moved beyond their “Bronx Zoo” phase. The Steinbrothers may go for it but I think Cashman would resist. Maybe, who knows though, if they miss Lee and get desperate Hendry could dangle Z’s late season resurgence and see what happens. They’re one team that could afford him without requiring the Cubs to eat salary.

        Z for Joba and Montero!

        (before anyone asks, yes, that was sarcasm)

    • jb226 5 years ago

      I agree that the Cubs need to get rid of Fukudome. They should eat whatever portion of his contract they need to eat and take whatever they can get in return to free up a little salary and more importantly, alleviate the outfield logjam. Colvin needs to play every day and Fukudome is a really expensive fourth outfielder who really doesn’t hit that much (after June, anyway).

      I don’t agree about Zambrano, however. He is vastly overpaid and a bit of a headcase, but all the reasons you would want to get rid of him are all the reasons you’re going to have to send a bushel-full of cash along with him. Not only would you be paying most of his salary anyway, but it would exacerbate the problem the Cubs already have in the starting rotation. With Zambrano gone, you’d be looking at a rotation of Dempster as your #1, Randy Wells #2, Gorzellany #3, Carlos Silva #4 and a rookie #5.

      All of those should be “eep!” moments. Dempster was alright but he is definitely not a #1. Wells was such a catastrophy that one has to wonder if it was just a sophomore slump or if he really is that bad. At this point his performance is that of a #4 or #5 at best. Gorzellany did a nice job, and Silva had a nice first half before some injuries and a complete implosion. Given his recent history, unfortunately, the second-half Silva is probably closer to what can be expected than the first-half Silva, so he’s a back-end guy at best as well. That’s not how you win baseball games. And there’s also the fact that Zambrano has a full no-trade clause that he said he will not waive.

      If the Cubs want to go full-on rebuild mode–which I have seen no evidence of from their offseason (comments) so far–then maybe, but the reality is that they don’t have a ton of great starting pitching prospects sitting around in the minors and they don’t have a lot of great trade chips at the majors, so they’ll probably just have to tread water until some of these contracts come off the books and they have the flexibility to bring in some better players — which unfortunately is looking like 2012 at the earliest. By that time, hopefully some of the talent they actually do have in the minors has developed and is ready to contribute and a few decent free agent pickups can at least make the team solid.

  24. moonraker45 5 years ago

    Why would Lee even sign with the Phils? He had to play on the Mariners for half the year because of them, not to mention he was traded for peanuts on the dollar, not a chance he goes back to them

    • JohnKruksWaistline 5 years ago

      He’s got plenty of reasons to not sign with the Phillies, but what he was traded for probably isn’t one of them.

      • moonraker45 5 years ago

        If you consider yourself one of the best pitchers in baseball, and you were traded for minor leaguers (who end up being demoted) don’t think for a second that doesn’t affect your pride.

        I’ve heard plenty of players say they were rassed or did the rassing of players who were traded for crummy returns, especially minor leaguers . .

  25. How long do you think until we see some of the major free agents signing or at least whispers of contract details? Are these going to be early shots or last minute scoops?

    • hope they dont all wait till last minute its annoying to put them on the team in 2k games kinda a selfish though but it gets boring

      • Haha, I know. I play THE SHOW though, game is awesome. I’ll end up getting 2011 and working with that as opposed to messing with the 2010 game. I’m ready for some baseball already, don’t really care about any other sport lol :).

  26. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    If the Red Sox made a bid for Lee its because of only 3 reasons: 1) They really believe they can move Matsuzaka. 2) To drive the price up for the yanks which, despite what people think, makes no sense if the yanks primary competition is the Rangers. 3) The media says they did.Really the yanks have and will devote more resources than any other team towards making sure the team is championship caliber. Driving up the price tag for a team that spends what the yanks spend… yeah, like the yanks have a solid budget.

    • stl_cards16 5 years ago

      Yeah, Im not really sure I buy the whole “driving up the price” idea. It sounds smart short term. But what about next year when there is a Free Agent the Red Sox do want and he is saying “Well Cliff Lee got 6/130, so I deserve at least that” If teams are really doing that, it is basically hurting every team besides the Yankees. Because the next guy that’s comparable is always going to want more.

  27. theyankeefanatic 5 years ago

    I think it’s time for the Yankees to start really investing in the best international talent…this free agent stuff for guys who are middle aged or old for atheletes is a very dangerous way to go…they need to get creative…If they want to lessen the financial impact and injury risk of bringing back Rivera Jeter and Pettitte plus getting an old Lee…they might want to pay everyone money past their playing time so the anual payment is lessen…then really scout young international talent so that while they pay off those gone players they’ll have cheap young talent…like giving Cliff Lee 5 years 20 mill to play but 10 years 6 mill that he could collect in Texas or Arkansa if he wants to avoid N.Y. state tax…

  28. RGV84 5 years ago

    Why would the Astros bid for Lee, it would be nice to have him but he doesn’t really fit the plans that the Astros seem to have. Why waste 20m+ per year for Cliff Lee when upgrading the offense should be the first priority.

  29. Then the Astros would have 2 Lee’s making around 40 million combined… not a good idea if you ask me

    • Ian_Smell 5 years ago

      And they’re both C. Lee. They could switch jerseys from time to time, that would be pretty cool.

  30. mikeclyne 5 years ago

    Pujols and Capenter for Hanson, Freeman, and Teheran?

    Braves sign Crawford

    Yankees sign Lee, Jeter, Mo, Petitte and Vlad or Dunn

    Sox sign Werth and move Ellsbury, Anderson and some other parts for Adrian Gonzalez

    Blue Jays sign Manny

    Rangers sign Berkman

    Angels sign Beltre, Fuentes, Pavano

    Mets sign Millwood, Corriea, Harden

    Nationals sign Vazquez, Webb, Hoffman

    • I would think that TX tries to resign Vlad, even though his PS numbers weren’t that great. I just can’t picture that guy in NY, just would look funny in pinstripes. That’s more of a feeling than factual of course, but still…no one else thinks that would be weird?

    • stl_cards16 5 years ago

      “Pujols and carpenter for hanson, Freeman, and Teheran? Braves sign Crawford”

      Let’s just say, I don’t think the Braves are looking to add 50mm to the payroll for next season. We’ll leave it at that.

      • mikeclyne 5 years ago

        Pujols 15 mil + Carpenter 15 mil + Crawford @ 15 mil

        Plus I was assuming D Lowe got moved, Lee/Glaus salary is gone, no Fransworth/Anikel…

        I really saw this as a plus 25 million move, not 50, but I see what you are saying.

        • stl_cards16 5 years ago

          Gotcha, Albert and Carp are a combined 31 and I was figuring Crawford a little closer to 20 than to 15. Lee was only 2 months. They have some money freed up but this scenario seems a little dreamy. However Crawford would be a good fit for the Braves.

  31. O971 5 years ago

    A Lee/Weaver/Haren rotation looks pretty good. Besides the Rangers and Yankees (maybe Philly) most of these teams have more pressing issues that need to be addressed first imo.

  32. dodgersguero 5 years ago

    dodgers are making a run for lee WWOOOWWW Really frank must be on crack how does he want to sign outfielder get a player at 3rd and someone at 2nd it would be nice to get lee.. the rotation would be Kershaw, Lee, Bills, Lilly and padilla cuz dodger wont be able to sign kuroda and padilla is cheaper the lineup would be..furcal, uribe, ethier,dunn, kemp, gibbons, barajas,and cantu that would be nice if frank sells one of his houses to make up the extra money

  33. I couldn’t imagine the Astros making a real spirited run at Lee. To me, that’s absurd. We won’t have the offense to compete for another two or three years at BEST, and we’re talking about a Type A? Someone help me make sense of this.

    • jb226 5 years ago

      Well, the Astros pick is protected so being a Type A doesn’t matter. Beyond that I agree with your assessment: assuming it was accurate that they had any interest in Lee at all, I don’t think it is serious.

      • Right… I realize that the pick is protected. I just meant Type A as in caliber, not as in the ramifications of being a Type A. It just startled me to see the Astros pop up anywhere near Cliff Lee’s name. I’m breathing much better now.

  34. Pirates412 5 years ago

    he will be in pittsburgh not questions ask..

    • stl_cards16 5 years ago

      A layover between Texas and New York? I would think he could get a non-stop flight.

      • Randy_McWeen 5 years ago

        stop it with these comments

        • stl_cards16 5 years ago

          Sorry for having a sense of humor. I doubt the guy really thinks Cliff Lee will be in Pittsburgh, sorry I ruined your day.

  35. PDR297 5 years ago

    Really, there shouldn’t be a team listed who at least doesn’t inquire on Lee. Due diligence.

  36. woadude 5 years ago

    Boston is going to sign Cliff Lee, they are going to give him a no trade clause and Dice K is on the block and there is speculation Seattle is very interested as well as another team, it could be a number of west coast Japanese friendly teams, the Dodgers for one, but Seattle is the most serious, they checked in on Werth and dont like the more than Jason Bay figure thrown back at them, Beltre discussions are so far positive, just working out years and he wants to hear from the Angels who havent reached out with a serious proposal yet

  37. woadude 5 years ago

    another rumor is San Diego called Boston and wanted a list of prospects to choose from and to see where they are on a trade.

  38. woadude 5 years ago

    Also interesting is Boston has had a meeting to discuss what to bid on the young Japanese infielder

  39. Didn’t Lee say that he was sort of happy in an odd sense that the Phillies got beat in the playoffs? Not happy for the players but happy since they were the team that dealt him. I could see him going back but with no type of discount. If the Phiten’s want him they’re going to have to pony up, none of this discount to contend and make history rubish.

  40. Gurvir Nijjar 5 years ago

    he’s gonna sign with the yankees i don’t see him anywhere else

    • Agreed. It’ll be an upset if someone other than the Yankees get him just because of the fact that they’ve made it known he’s their top priority. They were going to give up Montero for him, why wouldn’t they give up something they have more of (money) to get him. Others could afford him but I don’t think the Yankees are going to take no for an answer.

  41. Gumby65 5 years ago

    If McCourts settle, maybe they can offer Cliff Lee 100 Bucks and 5 of Jamie’s houses….

  42. I am a Yankee fan who doesn’t want cliff lee, the money should be spread around elsewhere. I could see the headlines now, Lee loses world series in Philly, then in Texas, then in NY

  43. rovert22044 5 years ago

    As much as I want him to, he won’t join the ‘Stros… I don’t think ANYONE wants to join us! HAHA!

  44. depaolo_creed 5 years ago

    As a Phil’s fan I can honestly say I really dont want Cliff Lee. Not for the money and years he will require. His track record of nagging injuries worries me. I think he may pay off now, but down the road the team that is stuck with him will want to reconsider their decision. Plus I am not a fan of him never pitching on 3 days rest in the playoffs.

  45. JohnKruksWaistline 5 years ago

    I’m not saying it’s probable or even practical, but Ruben’s taken somewhat of an ego beating over this whole debacle whether he’s shown it or not (and there’s an argument to be made that he did by acquiring Oswalt). To count them out entirely is probably more impractical than to say it could happen.

  46. malcolmec 5 years ago

    They’re just checking in. I highly doubt they’re serious about signing Lee to a long term, extremely lucrative deal, especially given that they don’t have enough money. Still, AMaro is being smart by at least trying to gauge the interest/price range on Lee. If something really surprising/improbable happens, there’s always an off chance that any team could be in a position to get him.

  47. NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

    I would bet he’s going to ask for a no-trade clause

  48. This is a joke I hope

  49. RahZid 5 years ago

    LOL, I appreciated it. Even if others didn’t.

  50. mlb would die out if boston and nyy bought like that no wonder theres talk with a salary cap

  51. PhilsPhaninPhlorida 5 years ago

    How about a reasonable argument of “why” this can’t happen instead of making rediculous comments about the Yanks and BoSox making trades of all the elite players… Lee is a Free Agent, not a trade…. My argument for why its feasable for the Phillies makes sense… now make a feasable claim against mine… and if you can’t, stop babbling stupid scenerios…

  52. BravesRed 5 years ago

    Actually, no one thought that Bosh, James, and Wade would be on the same team, but they are.

  53. BravesRed 5 years ago


  54. myname_989 5 years ago

    It’s almost as bad as your first argument, since you completely ignored some of the major points of the arguments he was making anyway. The Phillies may not be the Yankees, but they are one of the wealthiest franchises in baseball in recent years, and ownership can afford to get a player that they want. Even if they didn’t want to pay a large deal up front, a backloaded contract would work very well, since the Phillies will have more than 20MM coming off the books after the 2011 season. The Phillies could fill out their bullpen with guys that have just been waiting in the wings in the minors, and like PPP said, Ben Fransisco platooning at either corner could make for a highly productive season. It’s just a terrible argument to say, “They’re not the Yankees,” or “they have bigger things to worry about.” Says who?

  55. give insight instead of predictions dude that was pretty bad

  56. you never know on this site

  57. BravesRed 5 years ago

    Judging from his other comments, you would be right.

  58. MadmanTX 5 years ago

    WonderboyRooney10 is correct even if he doesn’t go on and on with bullet points about why the Phillies won’t land Lee again. They have the money to sign Lee? Great. The Yankees and Rangers have more. The Phillies payroll was what? $142 mil this season? The Rangers were around $55mil? The Rangers just signed a new cable tv deal which pays them $80mil a year. The Phillies think they can afford to pay Lee $20mil a year…but if all Lee cares about is money, then the Rangers can afford to pay Lee $25-$30mil a season.

  59. you phillies fans r so dumb cliff lee isnt going back to philly for a team that traded hi m away and got halladay. end of the day lee will wind up in ny or texas hes close with cc and the yanks can afford to offer him 25 30 mil a year over 5 or 6

  60. ATL_Mindset 5 years ago

    let’s try: “not unless Lee is WILLING to get paid in prospects”

  61. moonraker45 5 years ago

    why would lee even consider going back to philly

  62. I wouldnt be surprised if Lee took a little bit of a discount to come to Philly to pitch for a contender year in and year out. He loved it in Philly. Without having to pay Werth, and with ticket prices going up, its feasible…and the year after – there is even more money coming off the books. Our owners could deal with the 1 year of high payroll.

  63. myname_989 5 years ago

    We hear this about at least one player every offseason. “They’ll go to whoever offers the most money.” That’s obviously a core part of any negotiation, but a some point, you have to realize that there are other factors that go into a player’s decision. For example, although many people are going to deny this… Lee and his family were very happy here in Philadelphia. I think Lee knows better than anyone that him pitching in this rotation would make for something very special. When you’re making 100MM dollars, I’m sure you’re willing to sacrifice a few here or there to be a legitimate contender every year, with the chance of doing something historic.

  64. moonraker45 5 years ago

    well apparently the heat are shopping bosh, because them, like all Toronto fans already realize how overrated he is..

    but basketball aside, if I’m cliff Lee i laugh if the phillies even try to call me. It’s not like he is going to struggle to find work, he can work a bit off pride. and being traded to seattle had to have sucked for him and his family

  65. BravesRed 5 years ago

    Personally, I don’t care about basketball, let alone Bosh being traded.

  66. the insiders dont really do a great job with predictions you can ask some true unbiased fans they can get more insight then olney gammons hayman starks ect

  67. flickadave 5 years ago

    or the Red Sox or the Angels…

  68. Jesse Tu 5 years ago

    He’s not going to that triple A team.

  69. InLeylandWeTrust 5 years ago

    I totally discount the Nats. Will they try and make a run for him? Yes. But this will be Lee’s last contract, he will go to a place where he will be offered a lot of money and be in position to seriously contend for a world series. Two things the Yankees and Rangers can offer him. Why would he want to go to a rebuilding National team?

  70. BigBangBoom 5 years ago

    So the Yankees and Rangers aren’t yearly contenders? He did say he likes those two cities too.

  71. myname_989 5 years ago

    U write. We so dum. Stoopid me.

    Translation: Shut up.

  72. malcolmec 5 years ago

    We’re so dumb that many of us capitalize the first letter of our sentences, spell words correctly, and use periods!

  73. Yeah because he hated the club house and hated the city and hated the fans…. he hates being a stone cold lock to make the world series.

  74. BigBangBoom 5 years ago

    He also said that about Texas. If he can go to the yanks or rangers for 125+ mil and contend every year….I guarntee he takes the money over half a year memories in phillie and much less money…get real

  75. LordD99 5 years ago

    He loved Cleveland. He loved Philly. He loved Texas. He will love ______ beginning in 2011. The reason Lee has been the most traded ace ever the past two seasons is because he’s made it clear he’s going to be a free agent and he is going for the most money. He is not taking a discount.

  76. No, the Rangers are not yearly contenders.

  77. myname_989 5 years ago

    Who says he contends every year with the Rangers? The way I see it, the Angels and Mariners are both teams very capable of winning the AL West. In fact, if they can add a decent middle of the order bat this offseason, the A’s have a chance to be one of the best teams in baseball with the pitching they’ve got. It’s not going to be a one team race out in the West like it was last year.

    Same could be said for the Yankees, but you and I both know that the Yankees will find a way to compete, no matter how tough their division is. My point is that if the Phillies signed Lee, they’d have a rotation built to completely dominate the National League. Think about it this way: In any three game series, you’d have to face at LEAST two of Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Roy Oswalt, and Cole Hamels, and a lot of teams are going to have to face three of them.

    All of this factors into a player’s decision. If you think he’s going to look at three checks with his name on them and pick the highest one, you need to get real. As much as you say he is going to go to who pays him the most, I could say he’s going to go to a team that pays him at least 20MM a year and has the best chance at getting back to the World Series. Let’s be honest, all things considered, with a rotation described above, the Phillies have, by far, the best percentage odds of going to the World Series in 2011.

  78. BigBangBoom 5 years ago

    really? They looked pretty good to me this year with a young core of solid players and a decent staff. like i said below, Lee (anybody for that natter) would rather take the extra money to go to the Yanks or Rangers as they are in contention for the future too than a discount to go to phillies.

  79. They’ll win it all in 2011 though

  80. He has stated that he’s tired of moving and wants a no-trade clause in his contract.

  81. moonraker45 5 years ago

    says the guy who used a basketball reference to prove a point

  82. BigBangBoom 5 years ago

    Yeah B/c the phillies rotation really pitched them into the WS this year. The hottest teams usually wins. Having more talent helps but being the hotter team usually wins out, if the WS this year taught you anything.

  83. moonraker45 5 years ago

    u lost me at the mariners are fully capable of winning the AL west

  84. The Rangers are goint to win the World Series every year with or without him. Whatever Lee does is irrelevant.

  85. myname_989 5 years ago

    Meant A’s. My mistake.

  86. myname_989 5 years ago

    So whatever team signs Cliff Lee will be the hotter team? Your comment is completely irrelevant.

  87. BigBangBoom 5 years ago

    What? no i said in a short series the hotter team wins…not hard to understand right? in the NLDS giants had a hotter offense despite being less talented offensively. I don’t think you still get the point that Lee won’t take less money just b/c he has a marginally better chance of winning with the phillies. (thats not for certain either so lets not call the phillies the best team in 2011 right now). His chances to win with the Yanks and Rangers are not much worse than they are with philly. Sure in a the regular season having a great rotation is more relevant and it shows more, but even with the rotation, in a short series anything can happen. (like this year, where H2O all lost)

  88. Unlikely but not impossible that the Phils are serious about Lee. Hamels will get $9.5M next year and then go to arbitration before 2012, his final year before free agency. Ruben does love cost certainty, and Hamels doesn’t offer that beyond this year. If they were able to sign Lee, they could move Hamels to cover about half Lee’s salary and net some prospects to yet again “replenish the farm.” I don’t like that idea, but it fits Amaro’s thinking, especially if they’ve approached Hamels and found no interest in nailing down a long-term extension. That’s how Lee got shown the door in the first place.

  89. Philip Marlowe 5 years ago

    Cliff Lee wants a no-trade-clause? Jim Hendry, do your worst!

  90. Philip Marlowe 5 years ago

    hahaha Furbush. Sorry – I’m eight years old.

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