A’s Acquire DeJesus For Mazzaro, Marks

The A’s acquired David DeJesus from the Royals for right-hander Vin Mazzaro and left-hander Justin Marks, the teams announced today. Royals GM Dayton Moore says Mazzaro will join the team’s rotation and Marks will start the season at high Class A Wilmington. 

Mazzaro, 24, posted a 4.27 ERA in 122 1/3 innings for the A's this year with 5.8 K/9 and 3.7 BB/9. He became expendable when Oakland won the bidding for Japanese right-hander Hisashi Iwakuma earlier in the week. If the A's reach a deal with Iwakuma, he'll join Brett Anderson, Trevor Cahill, Gio Gonzalez and Dallas Braden in the team's rotation.

DeJesus batted .318/.384/.443 in 394 plate appearances this year, but he missed the final two months of the season because he required surgery on his right thumb. The 30-year-old, who has spent all of his eight-year career with the Royals, has experience in left, center and right. He joins Rajai Davis, Coco Crisp, Ryan Sweeney, Conor Jackson and Jack Cust in a crowded Oakland outfield that could clear up if Jackson and Cust are traded or non-tendered.

Marks, 22, posted a 4.87 ERA as a starter in the lower minors in 2010. The 2009 third rounder posted 9.5 K/9 and 3.4 BB/9 as he picked up his first significant experience as a pro.

DeJesus will earn $6MM in 2011 and qualify for free agency after the season. Mazzaro may qualify for arbitration as a Super Two next winter, but he cheap for now and won't hit free agency until after the 2015 campaign.


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233 Comments on "A’s Acquire DeJesus For Mazzaro, Marks"


GriffeyandSizemore
4 years 9 months ago

I think this is a win for the Royals but DeJesus is a good player and will fit in on the A’s.

JaySchu
4 years 9 months ago

5.9 K/9 and 3.7 BB/9 is pretty damn awful. I know Cahill has similar numbers and did well but that had more to do with his ridiculously unsustainable .230 BAA. The Royals clearly bought high here.

Jason_F
4 years 9 months ago

Not sure if you mean Batting Average Against or BABIP, but neither of those figures were .230 in 2010 for Cahill. If you meant BAA, that is absolutely sustainable. If you meant BABIP, it might not be sustainable, but BABIP is a stat that you should compare to an individual’s career number, not the league average. Who knows, he could be a guy whose career BABIP could stay in the .260-280 range (currently at .260 for his career).

JaySchu
4 years 9 months ago

Yes, I meant, BABIP, sorry. .238 really isn’t sustainable. Even a bump to .260-.280 means a significant increase in ERA. He’s a product of the defense behind him, the K/B ratio on any other team would mean a mid 4’s ERA at best.

sf55forlife
4 years 9 months ago

But he isn’t on any other team, he is on the A’s. You are right, Cahill is not a great starter, but he is perfect for the A’s. Cahill hasn’t been lucky per say, he is just playing into the A’s strength, which is defense particularly infield defense. Billy Beane has concocted a rotation of pitchers that plays to their strength and in turn are efficient. Best of all they are cheap, and will continue to be cheap.

The A’s made a great trade here. They sold high on a starter who in reality, is not that good. David Dejesus can be a 4 win player for the A’s, while Mazzaro is most likely a league average starter.

sportsfan07
4 years 9 months ago

Why can’t it be? He is a groundball pitcher with a nasty curve and sinker. He gets guys to beat the ball into the ground and there have been so many easy routine groundballs when he pitches that it’s just ridiculous. He probably wouldn’t be as good on any other team but if you watch him pitch, that BABIP won’t rise up that much and he is still improving. He isn’t a strikeout pitcher nor did anyone ever thought he would be. He is a groundball pitcher and a really good one at that.

JaySchu
4 years 9 months ago

Ground balls normally have a higher BABIP attached to them than fly balls do. The A’s have a great defense, but they’re not gods.

sportsfan07
4 years 9 months ago

Even so just watch the guy pitch and stop looking at sabremetrics for a moment. The guy already had #2 stuff attached to him from the moment he signed that rookie deal with potential to be an ace. If you throw him behind a great defense he will become an elite pitcher. Throw him behind a team with garbage defense and he will become an average pitcher. Even if he does not repeat the season he had last season he is still going to be a very solid #2 pitcher because he will not regress so badly that he will become an average pitcher with an ERA in the mid 4s.

JaySchu
4 years 9 months ago

Believe whatever you want to believe. He had a fantastic season, no doubt about it. But you can keep the talk of ‘stuff’ and ‘believing what you see with your own eyes’. I’ll stick to the numbers, because numbers rarely lie. He will not repeat his 2.97 ERA. High 3’s, Low 4’s is where he will more than likely end up. Still solid, but not elite.

sf55forlife
4 years 9 months ago

I agree he isn’t elite, and I’m pretty sure sportsfan isn’t claiming he is. But the Oakland infield is THAT good. They have top defensive players at every single position. They saved nearly 50 runs last year. That’s beyond great.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

This is a great move!!!!!!!! I love this move for the Royals!!!!!!!!! I love Vin Mazzaro!!!!!!!

Subtract his back-to-back starts against the Yankees and Angels respectively, he had a great sophmore season. He is a future ace with swing and miss stuff, although it isn’t great stuff. He has one of the best fastballs for a guy his age and by record, most pitchers who have made 35 starts before their 24th birthday have turned out to be good pitchers.

I love this move for both teams but I love it for the Royals more. This is a steal while his value is low. He is one of the most underrated pitchers in Baseball.

azdsnd
4 years 9 months ago

This entire comment baffles me. Since when does Vin Mazzaro have “swing-and-miss stuff?” Let’s take a look-see:

K/9 rates at each level Mazzaro has been at in his professional career:
’06 (Low-A) – 6.11
’07 (Hi-A) – 6.74
’08 (AA) – 6.82
’08 (AAA) – 7.22
’09 (AAA) – 6.99
’09 (MLB) – 5.81
’10 (AAA) – 9.16
’10 (MLB) – 5.81

His best two numbers here came in sample sizes of fewer than fifty innings, so trying to justify “swing-and-miss stuff” with those numbers would be completely absurd. He just doesn’t miss many bats.

Good velocity, or even good overall stuff, does not guarantee strikeouts or success. Just ask Joe Saunders, who has been unable to get swings-and-misses despite above-average stuff from the left side.

Vin Mazzaro is not a future ace. His ceiling is a future #3 starter, and he’ll likely settle into the back-end of a rotation as a nice strike-thrower who doesn’t miss enough bats to be anything more.

You could also throw out his two best starts, 7/4 against Mighty Cleveland and 7/18 against Terrifying Kansas City, a combined 15 innings with 2 ER allowed, and you’d end up with a truly terrifying season. You can cherry-pick the two worst starts of nearly anybody in the majors and end up with an upper-half-of-the-rotation starter. An FIP of 5.13 and xFIP of 4.72 are indicative of his true skill level.

AJCBE
4 years 9 months ago

Like azdsnd pointed out, it’s pretty exaggerated hope to think he’ll be an ace.

Also I think your exclamation mark key was sticking or something, much like it was when you acted like you were the number one fan of the A’s the other day.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I love the Oakland A’s as do I love every team n Baseball. I am happy about every move be every Baseball team because I Love Baseball.

AJCBE
4 years 9 months ago

I love baseball too and I can sit down and enjoy a game between any two teams, but to claim that you’re this HUGE fan of every team is nauseating. There are teams I like more than others, but as a Blue Jays fan I find it annoying that when the Jays make a move you’re the number one Jays fan, then the Royals make a move and you’re the number one Royals fan and so on.

You also talk down to everyone on here as if no one else knows anything but you, which I think is pretty pathetic. You expect everyone to take everything you say as fact and not question it at all. I don’t go on here to read your silly trade ideas, you have ruined the discussion board for many people like myself.

You know a lot about baseball, I won’t argue that, but other people do too, including many who oppose what you say.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Actually, you’re wrong because I love discussing Baseball topics with everyone on here and the reason you see my posts so often is because when someone replies to my comment, it goes to my phone, then I will reply instead of ignore it.

I by no means think that I know more than anybody in fact I could name many people on here who know more than me. I’m myself, I love every team and if you don’t like that then I’m sorry, but the Jays and the Royals are two at the top. I do have confidence ibmy knowledge though therefore if someone tells me something that I disagree with I will say it, doesn’t mean I’m belittling anybody.

AJCBE
4 years 9 months ago

Maybe it’s just your writing skills that need work then, because every time I read your comments they go two ways: If you agree with someone it comes across as “Oh good job” as if you were some sort of teacher, rewarding their students. (Thus talking down to people) If you disagree you just start with “You’re wrong,” as you did just now. (Also talking down to people)

That’s my opinion and because you write on every single post as if we are all dying to hear from you, you’re going to have to be open to that type of criticism. I don’t mind that you constantly post on here, it’s more that you talk down to people.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I hear ya and am not taking it personally at all in fact I’m absorbing it. And thanks for the feedback. I do love MLBTR though and Baseball as I said before, which is why I comment whenever I’m at a computer, but I guess what you’re trying to say is its not so much the excessiveness as it is the way I come accross sometimes, which I’m going to work on because I don’t want to make people feel bad at all and I guess your trying to say that that’s what I’m doing sometimes.

But if I like to make people feel good by saying I agree or good stuff instead of giving a like because its more direct and again, makes people feel good. And next time instead of saying you’re wrong and more, ill just say why I disagree but its hard sometimes to get your point out when you feel defensiveless

AJCBE
4 years 9 months ago

Exactly, for me personally, I always learn more by having an open mind about the game because no one can or will ever know everything about the game. I’m glad you took the message because I don’t enjoy hating on people unless I feel very strongly.

Anyways, I still disagree that someone can be a hardcore fan of every team (and this is coming from someone who owns a hat and shirt for every team, symbolizing my passion for baseball) but if that’s how you enjoy the game I have no problem. I’m all about promoting the game.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I agree with you and like your devotion and we are very similiar. I have every hat, almost there with the shirts, but I guess what I can tell you is, like you, I just love the game of Baseball, and since I follow every team, I just love every team I don’t know how else to say it. But some teams I like more than others.

And I really appreciate the help and feedback. This conversation is the type that I love having, just talking Baseball. any team, player, minors, Majors, College, HS, ballparks, fans, whatever. I just love talking Baseball. But back to what we were saying, your trying to tell me that I don’t know everything about the game? Come on! Joke — gotcha

AJCBE
4 years 9 months ago

Strangely, I bet we are eerily similar. By the way, gotta get a new Nats hat now, thanks to the changes. I can’t keep up with that team!

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Always changing their soddung uni’s. Yeah well if your ever in NY we’ll go to a Mets game tickets on me!!!!

BalcoBomber
4 years 9 months ago

Ladies, can we put down the lip gloss and get back to talking about baseball and not where your going on your next date?

AJCBE
4 years 9 months ago

Haha, I know that was weird.

tigers22
4 years 9 months ago

Why exactly do you capitalize the word “baseball”?

skoz
4 years 9 months ago

Laughing out loud.

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

This makes zero sense for the A’s.

Jason_F
4 years 9 months ago

Unless they non-tender Jackson and Cust, which is expected, then it makes perfect sense. Despite his ability to steal bases, Rajai Davis is a fourth outfielder.

4 years 9 months ago

Cust is a non-tender again. And the A’s likely won’t resign him this time.

Flharfh
4 years 9 months ago

Anyway Cust is pretty much a full time DH, he shouldn’t even factor into the A’s outfield discussion.

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

because they have no intentions on signing that guy out of Japan right?

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

No, because they traded a controllable starter with good stuff for a year of a 32 year old outfielder returning from injury. It makes no sense because they didn’t need another contact-hitter type. They needed a power bat to drive in runs in the middle of their order. Any deal Mazzaro was involved in should have justifed those means.

alxn
4 years 9 months ago

You can spin a trade any way you want. You decided to point out the positives of Mazzaro and the negatives of DeJesus. DeJesus not just a 32 year old outfielder returning from injury. He has great plate discipline and above average fielding capabilities. Mazzaro has a mediocre ceiling and likely isn’t valuable enough to be swapped for a legitimate power hitter. He also has no place in the A’s rotation.

Sam_Lee
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t disagree with you, but A’s fans were turning their nose up at the idea of a lot of players because Mazzaro was so valuable. Like I said, not disagreeing.

Donskoy
4 years 9 months ago

For one, DeJesus is 30 years old, not 32 and if my memory is alright, Crawford is 29 and is expected to give 5+ years. Also, Mazzaro, probably the worst of the A’s starters, was expendable because of the A’s oppurtunity to sign the Japanese guy, who’s name escapes me, thus giving the A’s less leverage and making him (Mazzaro) less valuable.

sportsfan07
4 years 9 months ago

Mazzaro easily has the worst stuff of all of the starters. His stuff has the least amount of movement and really the only thing he has going for him is that he has above average control more times than not. His control is above average at best but it’s the movement that just kills you because his stuff is just so straight. His fastball is straighter than ruler.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
4 years 9 months ago

Well, consider that Mazzaro is replacing Bannister. That’s an upgrade on both performance and dollars spent.

I don’t hate this deal; both sides got rid of something they didn’t really need for something that is probably better than what they already had. Win/Win I guess.

sportsfan07
4 years 9 months ago

This is actually a pretty bad trade for the A’s if they don’t do something about that OF log jam.

4 years 9 months ago

Coco Crisp had a 3.3 WAR while the remaining 12 outfielders they used COMBINED for 0.1 WAR while DeJesus managed to post a 2.9 WAR despite ending the year early due to injury. The A’s had 5 young starters plus Josh Outman, Bobby Cramer and the rights to Hisashi Iwakuma, now they have 4 young starters plus each of those guys. They were dealing from a point of depth by letting go of Mazzaro, it was hardly unexpected to see him dealt.

sf55forlife
4 years 9 months ago

you and the 11 people that liked this, have no idea what they are talking about.

friscofan101
4 years 9 months ago

cant decide if this is a good trade or not. i feel like the A’s could have got more out of thier extra pitching

4 years 9 months ago

That’s my first thought, too. DeJesus is decent, I guess, but I’ve been waiting his whole career for him to come into his own and it hasn’t happened.

friscofan101
4 years 9 months ago

i think the A’s should have waited for some of the top pitchers to get picked up so some of the teams who missed out might be willing to overpay for one of their extra pitchers.

4 years 9 months ago

I’m with you – I just don’t get the Dejesus “hype” every year. He’s okay. A good guy to have, but not really a huge talent or exceedingly good at any aspect of his game. A well-rounded above average.

RMR
4 years 9 months ago

Darn. Was hoping the Reds would be able to get DeJesus for LF.

Sampsonite168
4 years 9 months ago

Even though it was only one game it must suck for Justin Marks to know he pitched to an ERA of infinity last year.

penpaper
4 years 9 months ago

I think they trade Davis and another pitcher for a big bat. I don’t understand this move unless they trade for a better offensive player, not that DeJesus is bad but he’s not a 3/4/5 batter.

azdsnd
4 years 9 months ago

.363 wOBA in ’10 not good enough for you? Because I’d take it.

Donskoy
4 years 9 months ago

You forget that DeJesus is joining the A’s

damnitsderek
4 years 9 months ago

In other news, new Royals pitchers Vin Mazzaro has been hospitalized with crippling depression.

4 years 9 months ago

Comment of the year candidate

JaySchu
4 years 9 months ago

Makes sense with the posting. Nice upgrade.

JaySchu
4 years 9 months ago

Nevermind, he’s only a marginal upgrade with the bat over Sweeney and he’s 5 years older.

dansaint
4 years 9 months ago

Mazzaro could be a nice #3 for the Royals. Pretty good arm…just needs to develop a little bit more of his secondary stuff.

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

whose #2? i’m assuming your referring to Mike Montgomery but i’m not sure.

iancahill
4 years 9 months ago

Luke Hochevar is still the Royals #2 for now.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

This is a great move for the Royals. Vin Mazzaro is one of the most underrated pitchers in Baseball.

BalcoBomber
4 years 9 months ago

Funny!

EdinsonPickle
4 years 9 months ago

Hmm, I thought the A’s would have targeted more of a power bat. Nonetheless, DeJesus is a good player.

4 years 9 months ago

Yeah I’ve always liked DeJesus, but I definitely feel like the A’s could’ve gotten more or at least a 20-25 home run type of hitter.

DeJesus will fit in nicely, but that’s kind of the problem, the A’s have a bunch of pieces of the puzzle but they’re pieces to a different puzzle. Get some power and then they’ll be on the right track.

4 years 9 months ago

Please see 2010 SF Giants. The A’s, with the help of 20-25 HR’s from Chris Carter, will be a force in 2011.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
4 years 9 months ago

Power bats don’t play particularly well at their park. I think they have all but conceded that a power bat isn’t going to do for them what it does for other teams in other locales.

But DeJesus is a well rounded player. He fits well on just about any team. Mazzaro wasn’t going to crack the A’s rotation this year either, and they have several other pitchers in the pipeline. The bottom line is DeJesus is of more help to them than Mazzaro is.

AZalltheway
4 years 9 months ago

Wow. Didn’t see this one coming. Nice return for DeJesus though.

UnderachieversAvenue
4 years 9 months ago

Huh? Why? The A’s already had more than adequate outfield defense in Crisp, Davis and Jackson. Why would they need Dejesus, not to mention having to give up a good young SP in Mazzaro.

4 years 9 months ago

Don’t forget Michael Taylor. Or he is a bust now.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

No he is a few years away from major league. The team isn’t going to worry about saving a spot from him in the future… not that this does anyways.

4 years 9 months ago

A soon-to-be 25 year old that is years away from the major leagues?

4 years 9 months ago

he’s not years away, he’s months away from at least getting an opportunity at the big league level.

4 years 9 months ago

not a bust, he still hit fairly well in AAA but the power wasn’t there yet. Give him 2-3 years and see if he pans out, some of the better players developed in their mid to late twenties, like Jayson Werth.

ugotrpk3113
4 years 9 months ago

Trade. Bait.

I smell a type A trade during the trade deadline.

Sam_Lee
4 years 9 months ago

Who is trade bait at the deadline?

jphenix2002
4 years 9 months ago

Dejesus, especially if the A’s fail to contend. This is similar to the Holliday and Sheets acquisitions, only on a smaller scale. I’m guessing they’re hoping he rebuilds value.

ugotrpk3113
4 years 9 months ago

Exactly. It’s a smart business move in my opinion. You know that Dejesus is going to net prospects at the trade deadline because everyone can use an OF who gets on base and plays decent enough defense.

This also gives their organization a chance to see how their farm system shapes up. They can identify holes and fill them in a trade. Or they can wait, hope for type A status, and get two picks.

Sounds like a decent plan.

carligula
4 years 9 months ago

“because everyone can use an OF who gets on base and plays decent enough defense”

Yes, and there are more than enough of them to go around. Wasn’t this the theory behind the A’s signing Crisp this time last year? Who did they trade him for at the deadline again?

mbovasso
4 years 9 months ago

Agreed

azdsnd
4 years 9 months ago

Because only Crisp performed as well or better than DeJesus did (FanGraphs WAR) last year… he’s a definite upgrade.

melonis_rex
4 years 9 months ago

Davis and Jackson are really, really bad at baseball. Ryan Sweeney is injury prone.

The A’s have zero outfield outside of Crisp. who has his own injury issues.

Meatball1
4 years 9 months ago

Connor Jackson suckkkkkks

4 years 9 months ago

Just want the A’s need, another hitter for the bottom of their lineup. Who is a free agent after 2011.

vtadave
4 years 9 months ago

The A’s are doing quite well then going into the season if their #9 hitter is coming off a .384 OBP season.

Jay Patel
4 years 9 months ago

The offseason has officially begun!!!

Dude Michael Taylor is still in the Minors…Vin Mazzaro had his ups and downs but it might work out in KC….SO whats the Starting OF: Crisp, DeJesus, Sweeney??? great range in that OF getting a .300 hitter in DeJesus when he is right…The A’s love to surprise everyone with their moves soo I’m not sure this is the end of it

EvilEmpireMember
4 years 9 months ago

Very nice trade for the Royals!

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

GREAT SUCCESS!

penpaper
4 years 9 months ago

Does this mean Frenchy is coming to town? Awesome!

4 years 9 months ago

No offense, but I think you’ve reached rock bottom if you’re hoping for Jeff Francoeur to come to your team.

penpaper
4 years 9 months ago

Your sarcasm meter is broken. :p

You never know with Moore, the Royals are turning the corner to the future but that guy never surprises me.

4 years 9 months ago

That’s what I was thinking, either him or a Guillen sequel. Moore really knows what he likes!

That said, nice trade by Moore. DeJesus is alright but he’s more a complimentary player who had a really good half-year in 2010.

azdsnd
4 years 9 months ago

Absurd statement. DeJesus’s WAR (FanGraphs) since 2005: 3.5, 3.8, 1.9, 2.6, 3.3, 2.6. He was on his way to a career year this year before he got hurt. David DeJesus is a heck of a baseball player, and definitely an everyday player.

4 years 9 months ago

An everyday player yes but not a middle of the order type slugger that teams usually look for in a corner outfielder, thus he’s really a complementary player. You need this type because not every player is a star (think Scott Brosius). I’m not saying he’s a bad player, I’m saying he’s not an elite hitter.

azdsnd
4 years 9 months ago

Not an elite hitter? Then I suppose you don’t think that Alex Rodriguez, Jay Bruce, Andres Torres, or Andrew McCutchen were elite hitters last year. Because they all posted a wOBA of .363, the exact same mark DeJesus also had with the Royals last year before his injury. BABIP-inflated, to be sure, but still an absurdly good number.

4 years 9 months ago

this trade reminds me of the one the Giants made last year with the pirates when they gave up Tim Alderson for Freddy Sanchez. The only difference is that Alderson wasn’t (and still isn’t) anywhere near big league ready.

Good trade for the Royals but there’s no guarantee that he’ll pan out over 5-10 years. DeJesus is good defensively and solid offensively. It’d be a good deal if the A’s already had the power that they so desperately need. DeJesus fits with some teams, not the A’s… yet.

sportsfan07
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t understand why Vin Mazzaro is being so overrated by everyone. Yes he is a solid pitcher but in no way is he going to be as valuable to a team than Dejesus is. Plus this is one of those moves that Beane always does right before he pulls out a big one. I’m looking at our outfield and we have 5 or 6 guys now to fill 4 spots. At least two of Rajai Davis, Coco Crisp, Conor Jackson, Ryan Sweeney, Travis Buck and Jack Cust are not going to be on this team by the time Spring Training starts so don’t worry about it. Even Dejesus himself may not be on the team but I highly doubt that.

4 years 9 months ago

If Zack Grienke is traded, does Vin Mazzaro become the Royals’ ace? That’s a scary thought.

UnderachieversAvenue
4 years 9 months ago

You forgot Mr.Chen

4 years 9 months ago

No, Zack Grienke becomes the ace because Brian Bannister was let go!

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Not every team has an ace. John Lamb is already the Royals ace and he is NW Arkansas.

azdsnd
4 years 9 months ago

If you’re going to throw out a pitching prospect in that system, shouldn’t it be Duffy or Montgomery?…

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Lamb is the best and has the best upside. One of the best prospects in Baseball.

azdsnd
4 years 9 months ago

That’s hardly as much of a consensus as you make it out to be. Lamb is good, but so are the other two. And what does “one of the best prospects in baseball” exactly mean? Top-50? Sure. But it’s not like he’s sniffing anywhere around the top-15.

For example, Sickels prefers Duffy: http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/10/24/1772207/kansas-city-royals-top-20-prospects-for-2011

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

He is one of the top 5 pitching prospects in Baseball behind Tehrean and Pineda

Red_Line_9
4 years 9 months ago

I love upside and projection in a single player. Upside and projection in an organization I love even more. KC is going to get their system to the point that they’ll be lobbing a lot of prospects at the big league team. Maybe there will be a Saberhagen in there…but a team isn’t built on just stars. If they can fill that bullpen with cheap decent plus arms…it’d make one area they wouldn’t have to waste free agent dough.

4 years 9 months ago

Off topic but who’s the Yankees ace if they get Lee? Halladay is the Phillies ace but really they’ve got three, or maybe two and a half. I think Lester is the Sox ace even if Beckett and Lackey are getting paid like aces. What bothers me is that teams like the Cubs have some descent starters but unless you count Z (who does anymore?) they don’t have an elite tor and it seems like that’s what you need now.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I still say Sabathia is the ace.

Jay212033
4 years 9 months ago

And let the trading begin! I was hoping for the Braves to pick him up for Beachy and Marek but ah well.

4 years 9 months ago

what a horrible move that would have been… let’s trade a young, potentially solid starting pitcher and a RH relief pitcher (something we need this year still) for a guy to hit at the bottom of the order with AGone. And he would be a one year rental at that… totally what we need!

Im tired of the crap outfield the Braves have been putting together. Let’s see a real, middle of the order bat in the outfield and stop adding a bunch of 4th OFer types or guys who hit at the bottom of our lineup. We already have a 2 hitter in Prado, Dejesus adds nothing to this team.

alxn
4 years 9 months ago

If you don’t understand the value of DeJesus then you don’t know what you are talking about. He gets on base at one of the best rates in the league. He would be a great lead-off hitter, something the Braves don’t have. DeJesus is also great at defense, an aspect that the Braves were exposed at being very poor at near the end of last year. If you think DeJesus is a #4 OF then you are insane.

4 years 9 months ago

There was no point in this for the A’s… yet. Beane has a history of moves coming in pairs… especially right after a big “wtf” on the first one. Who knows he might spend about 15 minutes in green and gold like Ryan Langerhans. But seriously, I hope this isn’t it as far as dealing from strength (pitching) to weakness (power hitting… or hitting period), because otherwise this is pretty underwhelming. Chris Carter isn’t going to step in and hit 40 home runs. I think the lineup would be hard pressed to get 20 from more than one guy even.

4 years 9 months ago

DeJesus > Langerhans

Yeah the A’s need power, but DeJesus is a good player with a high OBP. When the A’s had winning teams in the early 2000s they did it with players who found ways to get on base.

Don’t count this trade out yet… but yeah I think they could’ve gotten more haha

4 years 9 months ago

I wasn’t making a comparison of the two players – merely stating that there’s been a precedent for players to be flipped by the A’s.

4 years 9 months ago

this trade dont sit right with me i dont like it