Dan Uggla Rumors: Monday

Yesterday we heard that the Marlins intend to trade Dan Uggla and that the Blue Jays could be the favorites to acquire him if a deal does occur. Here's the latest on the second baseman:

  • The Cardinals have interest in Uggla, though a source told MLB.com's Matthew Leach that the club is concerned about the cost not in dollars, but players. Leach says reports of Florida's asking price "may be misleading."
  • MLB.com's Bill Ladson confirmed that the Nationals have interest in Uggla. The Marlins want both pitching and a catcher in return.
  • Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com tweets that there is no sign that Uggla will relent and accept the team's four-year, $48MM contract offer.
  • ESPN's Buster Olney tweets that some clubs "perceive the Marlins are absolutely intent on moving Uggla ASAP, and they are not asking for a high rate of return — a couple of decent guys, no A-plus prospects necessary."
  • The Marlins are not shopping Uggla aggressively, according to Joe Capozzi of the Palm Beach Post (on Twitter). They are concerned over the stalled extension talks and preparing in case they can't reach a deal.
  • Rival executives tell Jon Heyman of SI.com that the Marlins' four-year $48MM offer was reasonable. I thought so, too.
  • Toronto GM Alex Anthopoulos told Jeff Blair on the FAN 590 that both Aaron Hill and Jose Bautista would be willing to shift to third base if the Blue Jays acquire "someone who can make an impact." Hill hasn't played at the hot corner since 2005, but Anthopoulos says he has enough arm strength and athleticism to handle the shift.


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223 Comments on "Dan Uggla Rumors: Monday"


4 years 9 months ago

The Marlins are going to be smart about this and wait to see who is desperate for Uggla. If they aren’t blown away by a deal, they’ll hang on to Uggla at least until the trade deadline, or even keep him for the whole season and get the draft picks back at the end of the season.

iains
4 years 9 months ago

I think Anthopolous has the patent on that…

grant77
4 years 9 months ago

Alex also said in that interview that he just made a free agent signing, will be interesting to see who it is.

meanguygary
4 years 9 months ago

He also said that what he was working on was ‘not done’.

Andy Mc
4 years 9 months ago

He didn’t say “free agent” at all. Could be Bautista, Marcum etc.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

hopefully its Marcum, he definitely deserves a raise and some security!

iains
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, he didn’t say free agent. Just that he had a signing almost done. This could well be one of his own players.

Eric the Actor
4 years 9 months ago

I cant wait to see what GM’s AA decides to make ‘look like fools’ :)

4 years 9 months ago

Moving Aaron Hill, who is very good at defense, to third so Dan Uggla, who couldn’t catch a slow rolling beach ball, can play second is really really stupid

TheodoreRoosevelt
4 years 9 months ago

Bear in mind that the Jays have Hechevarria in the system. Assuming he pulls through, Hill’s long-term position could be at 3B anyhow.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Did the jays announce which options the team is going to pick up for Hilll? I thought they had to decide soon but havent heard anything about it.

Andy Mc
4 years 9 months ago

they have until opening day for all three options, or they can wait until after 2011 for two option years (most likely scenario).

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Thanks!

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Isn’t it kind of ironic that the decision on Aaron Hill’s options come after his worst year and one of the worst seasons a Major Leaguer had last year among qualified players? It just interesting…I’d pick the options up though.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

it’s funny because usually in contract/club option years players play better!

I’d take the 2 options, I don’t know about the 3rd year for 10 mil at this point.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t even really believe these Uggla rumors. You usually never hear about AA moves until they actually happen. AA along with the rest of that office is tightly lip sealed and you’re right… moving Hill to 3B so you can trade for a crappy defensive 2B makes no sense.

BWOzar
4 years 9 months ago

Honestly…I just don’t get it. Teams are cyclical, why would Toronto strike on a guy they can sign for just a compensation pick next season when they’re highly unlikely to compete for a division title next year. Maybe in 2012 or 2013 when one of the current big 3 (perhaps) falters, but for next year I don’t think the marginal value of Uggla will be worth whatever they’d have to give up to get him.

dc21892
4 years 9 months ago

There is going to be more competition when he hits free agency.

BWOzar
4 years 9 months ago

Who knows what any sort of re-imagining of the current free agent compensation system is going to look like in the future? They can sign him for money and, possibly, not even lose a first round pick next year instead of giving up talent now for a guy who won’t put them over the top in 2011.

Also trading for and then paying a 30 year old coming off a career year is not a good operating strategy for a team with a lot of work to do to compete in its division.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Why wouldn’t they lose a first round pick? he’s a Type A free agent

BWOzar
4 years 9 months ago

If a team’s record is in the bottom half of the standings their 1st round pick is protected and they lose a 2nd round pick instead.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Yes, and the Jays didn’t finish in the bottom half this year, why would you assume they would do so next year?

BWOzar
4 years 9 months ago

They had the 13th best record in baseball, not exactly safely in the top half. Who knows if they can actually do better than that? They play in a brutally difficult division that has 3 of the strongest teams in baseball and Baltimore has a ton of talent and could easily see rebounds from guys like Markakis and Jones and development from Matusz, Wieters, etc. They also have a number of players (Bautista, Buck, Wells) coming off years they’re unlikely to repeat. There are also a number of teams behind them in the standings that, thanks to young players developing or free agency could easily improve their records.

It’s not to hate on Toronto – but I think it’s reasonable to think they could win fewer games in 2011 than in 2010.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I’m not debating on where they will end up in the 2011 standings, especially when their roster isn’t even set yet.I’m just debating the fact that in your argument you are suggesting the jays can pick up Uggla in a year for nothing, which at this point is more false then true.

BWOzar
4 years 9 months ago

That isn’t my point at all. My point is that I would FAR rather, if I were Toronto and I wasn’t realistically winning the division in 2011, give up a pick (potentially only a 2nd round pick) and money for Uggla than give up multiple prospects AND the money of a contract extension today. The prospects the Jays would give up for him now are more likely to be successful than whateve draft pick they’d later surrender to sign him. I think trading for one year of a valuable player when a team is unlikely to seriously compete is a horrible idea.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I think your overall assesment of the team is off which is leading you to your opinion. Which is fine, if we were talking about the Orioles or Royals here I would agreeWhat AA sees is a team thats coming of an 85 win season, now as much as things went good ( bautista, wells, buck ) things went bad ( lind, hill, 5th rotation spot). So its not a completely absurd assumption to assume the team is capable of 85 wins again. Now add to that, Morrow will not be shut down ( he was their best starter the second half) add to that Snider will be given a chance (finally) to play everyday, and probably the biggest reason for optimism is a new manager that will hopefully be better at manufacturing runs, and making in game decisions.To me the last piece is a better bullpen, and its perfectly reasonable to think the Jays could win 90 wins or more. Now will it be enough to win the division, or wild card? that remains to be seen, depends on how the other teams fair in the FA market or what improvements they make. but to say that the team is unlikely to seriously compete is off the mark

BWOzar
4 years 9 months ago

I think it’s unlikely that 90 wins makes for a legitimate playoff contender in the AL East and beyond that some advanced metrics suggest the Jays record was a bit lucky (in fairness, some suggest the opposite). I don’t think it’s absurd that they could put up a similar record next year. My main point is that A LOT of things need to break right for the Jays to have even a remote chance to compete for the division next season (I think most would clearly rank them the division’s 4th best team, even with Tampa likely to lose Crawford and Pena).

My point is actually that if Toronto continues to improve in 2011, or puts up a similar season, then going after a big free agent (like Uggla) and surrendering a draft pick would be a far more justifiable move than giving up legitimate prospects for him now.

aroundinsound
4 years 9 months ago

Clearly stated in the beginning of this article post is that the asking price for Uggla will be about 2 respectable prospects, no necessary outstanding blue chip prospects. Fortunately for the blue jays, they have anywhere between 5 and 10 starting pitchers (many of them not exactly young anymore) who might fit in this category and will probably never pitch significant innings for the Jays. The Jays do not (and realistically how could anyone) think that Uggla will push them over the top, he is simply an upgrade on a position they just released on waivers (3b). Keep in mind, Encarnacion was being paid 5 mil a year, with a promotion due. Now factor in the value of two potential type A’s and you still have a trade that fits in line with current management strategy. No way the jays move Hill to 3rd for Uggla, Uggla moves. Not to mention a vacancy at DH/1b that will require some at bats from Lind and a currently unidentified player. The Jays would never give up anything serious for Uggla and his age/contract/defensive abilities. But they most certainly would give up a couple 25 year old pitching prospects that they have way too many of. Moonraker45 was right, you (BWOzar) like most people, have an overall assessment of the Blue Jays that is slightly off and leading to your opinion.

BWOzar
4 years 9 months ago

Also we don’t know what type of FA he’ll be – if he has a putrid ’11 he could be Type B or nothing at all.

Colterwood
4 years 9 months ago

First off, the Jays should be playing to win the division every year! Who knows when another team is going to have a Tampa Bay-esque breakthrough year? Second, Toronto as of right now stacks up well for second in the East. Tampa is going to lose a lot of guys and as of right now. Boston needs to make moves before they’re going to be any good. Uggla is only 30 and isn’t showing any reasons to assume he isn’t going to be a stud for a few more years. I think this move makes a lot of sense for Toronto, we have guys to move! AA has put us in a good position to make a push as early as next year if he wants! I have faith in whatever decision he goes with!

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

homer much?

4 years 9 months ago

“Boston needs to make moves before they’re going to be any good.” hahaha, really? Or they could avoid injury and not have to use their b-squad again.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

well the fact that last year’s injury rate was insane AND they will make moves this offseason, Boston will be a force in 2011 for sure.

aroundinsound
4 years 9 months ago

Uggla is incredibly consistent and is the only 2b to ever hit 4 30 plus home run seasons and has never hit less than 27 dingers. Unless he gets seriously injured or forgets how to hit, he will be a type A free agent.

TheodoreRoosevelt
4 years 9 months ago

Because AA appears to want the best of both worlds. Signing Uggla as an FA costs a pick and a ton of committed money. But trading for him keeps the pick intact, gives the Jays a player to keep them competitive in 2011, as well as an asset who can be converted back into prospects once his usefulness expires.

BWOzar
4 years 9 months ago

So you think a team should trade legitimate prospects (prospects are FAR surer things than draft picks) for ONE year of a guy in a season in which the team has a minuscule chance of winning the division? Could they win the division…? There’s a tiny chance if Romero and Marcum continue to develop, if Drabek can be a breakout rookie, if Morrow can harness his astounding potential and if a guy like Rzepczynski can take the next step. It’s possible…but unlikely. And the source of the Jays’ hypothetical success next year will be pitching, not another power hitter.And as dc21892 pointed out the compensation system could be changed next year – who knows if they’ll get anything back for Uggla leaving as a free agent.

Just acknowledging the comment to this – I should’ve said Cecil not Zep.

4 years 9 months ago

Off topic, but why did you mention Zep instead of Cecil? Cecil’s stock is a lot higher than Zep’s, and I imagine more of the team’s success is riding on Cecil.

BWOzar
4 years 9 months ago

You’re completely right – Cecil is a better pitcher than Zep, his name just came to mind first.

TheodoreRoosevelt
4 years 9 months ago

Sorry, but what is a “legitimate prospect”? Take a look at the Jays’ top 10 prospect list and see if you can say with certainty those who will make it in the bigs.

Also consider that every GM has a complete overview of the farm system. If the Jays consider, say, Rzep expendable, then it is likely only because they have great faith in the pitching prospects who will replace him. We’re already seeing that with recent discussions about Arencibia.

BWOzar
4 years 9 months ago

That’s exactly my point – if the top 10 prospects are a crapshoot then clearly draft picks are MUCH more of a crapshoot. And in the top 10 Jays prospects, I feel pretty good about the chances of all of the Top 8 making the majors, if not contributing. (BA ranks the top 8 as: Drabek, McGuire, Gose, D’Arnaud, Stewart, Wojciechowski, Arencibia and Perez). And that doesn’t count Hechavarria who has a legit shot as well. Actual prospects who have competed in actual minor league games are always far more accurate to evaluate than draft picks.

TheodoreRoosevelt
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t really buy your logic here.

If AA is willing to dispense with prospects, then they are considered disposable for very good reasons. Perhaps there are similar position players coming up fast with similar or greater potential, or perhaps the organisation’s evaluation of the prospect simply ain’t all that. But with a top draft pick you’re getting the chance to take a look at new blood that stands a better chance than most to be elite calibre.

Prospects have one of two purposes: filling an essential hole in the team’s lineup or being trade bait. Clearly AA would be trading away non-essential prospects whilst maintaining his golden draft ticket (and, of course, the dual possibilities of a guy like Uggla helping the Jays make a playoff challenge OR flipping him at the deadline)

BWOzar
4 years 9 months ago

How is a top draft pick better than a prospect who has actually established themselves in the minors? What golden draft ticket are you talking about? If the 2011 team finishes similarly to this year they’ll have a pick in the 16-19 range in next year’s draft which is not even remotely a sure thing or ‘golden ticket.’ Sure, there’s a chance you get lucky with a guy who falls or go significantly over-slot to get a player – but that hasn’t been the Jays MO. Uggla is likely to be better than an unknown late teen pick, but there’s a much better chance 3-4 prospects will be better than that pick

You’re acting like the Jays are going to be able to acquire Uggla for like the 11, 15 and 17 prospects in the system – it’s not happening. Uggla is realistically going to cost one of the top catchers and a pitching prospect and probably a low upside MLB ready guy (like Rzepczynski).

aroundinsound
4 years 9 months ago

Yes, the Blue Jays should definitely trade some of their “legitimate” prospects that would probably include Brad Mills, Mark Zepalphasoup, Zach Stewart, Jesse Litsch, and Josh Roenicke among others.

And yes, we only need ONE year out of Uggla for this to be worth it. None of those guys will see much playing time for the Jays, but will see quite a bit of work for the Marlins.

I’ll take two first round compensation picks over these guys pretty much any day, and I would have to go back and check but I don’t think any of the aforementioned pitchers were a pick from the top rounds or compensation rounds.

eviola1
4 years 9 months ago

Rays are not going anywhere next year.

vtadave
4 years 9 months ago

And what is the DOW going to do over the next year?

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

Do better than the Rays next year.

boyofsummer
4 years 9 months ago

Agreed. I’d pass on Uggla. Besides, he’s not good enough to hold Bautista’s moustache comb.

csg
4 years 9 months ago

lol, wat? lets do a 5 yr comparison on these two, even accounting for Bautista’s ridiculous 2010

Baustista – 9.6WAR, 1.92WAR avg .243/.342/.452
Uggla – 18.8WAR, 3.76WAR avg .263/.349/.488

you have the right to your opinion, I have the right to tell you how your wrong

mozelpuffski
4 years 9 months ago

lol haha – lets see this year: jbau serious AL MVP candidate to NL error leader? arguing 5 years of play when one player only played one full season as an everyday player is just as much nonsense as what i just wrote

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

yeah, i sort of stopped reading your post when you called uggla the “NL error leader” as if errors are any MAJOR stat.

pastlives
4 years 9 months ago

tell that to Brooks Conrad. I get your point, but errors CAN be a major stat, depending on the type of errors you’re making. what kind of response is “i stopped reading your post when…” . baseball fans have become even more pretentious than hipsters, congrats guys!

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

i’m perfectly fine with him saying Uggla is bad defensively, but the way he worded it. he put Bautista in a breath of silver light while bashing uggla’s defense. He also didn’t take mention that he is an elite offensive threat, even more so at his position, or the great amount of consistency he has had(something bautista hasn’t). all he did was paint Uggla in the bad light, which is being very bias. therefore, i didn’t bother reading the rest of his post because it was a biased statement that probably wouldn’t hold much water with me.

mozelpuffski
4 years 9 months ago

Errors are as usefull as war and uzr and range factor yadayadayada…. just like it is to compare jbau and uggla. there is no point.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

Let me guess… you’re one of those people that think Jeter is actually good defensively and deserved to win the GG.

mozelpuffski
4 years 9 months ago

f… no – ramirez should have won.

The_Porcupine
4 years 9 months ago

I’m still against trading for Uggla. Offensively, he’s another high strikeout, low on base power bat. I don’t see how he will help the lineup be more consistent on a day to day basis. They have enough power, they need to get people on base ahead of the power. Defensively, Uggla is not an upgrade over Hill at 2b or Hill/Batista at 3b. I just don’t see the benefit of trading an asset for someone who doesn’t really improve the team all that much.

4 years 9 months ago

Low OBP? Did you look at his stats? He had .369 last year. He’s a career .350. Both are above average.

The_Porcupine
4 years 9 months ago

My mistake. Might have to re-evaluate my stance then.

MisterMarlin
4 years 9 months ago

Ok, seriously? Uggla is a “high strikout, low on base power bat”? Um, no. Of all active second basemen in the game right now, only Chase Utley (.8940) has a higher career OPS than Dan Uggla (.8366). And he’s in the top 50 overall. He’s durable, and his defensive lapses get overblown. If you look at fielding percentage, he’s right there with Kinsler and Utley. Uggla is a fantastic player, who doesn’t get enough love because he plays for the Marlins and I am hoping against hope that the Fish resign him because if we have any hopes for the playoffs next year, losing our 2010 leader in RBI’s is not a good place to start.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I wouldn’t pursue Uggla, I think at this point if prospects need to be traded it should be for athletic, obp type of players. Now granted Uggla’s career obp would rank highly up on the Jays list, but they should still aim for some speed, defense and better obp. I mean don’t we have a dan uggla type player playing second base already, minus some walks and plus with defense. Wouldn’t the team be better off looking for a speedy 2B who could lead off, steal some bases and get on base at a high rate?

iains
4 years 9 months ago

Another possibility is AA is looking to ad something to a trade. Something like the Rockies get Ugla and the Jays steal a gem from one of their minor league systems.

eviola1
4 years 9 months ago

Rox can’t afford Uggla sorry.

iains
4 years 9 months ago

Hence the ‘something like’

55saveslives
4 years 9 months ago

Who will take over 2B for Marlins. Giants have Charlie Culberson who is tearing up the minors. He will be ready in either mid season or 2012.

4 years 9 months ago

Maybe Coughlan (too lazy to look up the spelling of his name)

JaysWillRiseAgain
4 years 9 months ago

if they do land Uggla, i would presume they’ll be making a playoff push as a result… this would mean a bonafide closer is needed as well .. no?

4 years 9 months ago

Forget Uggla…sign crawford!!

4 years 9 months ago

what are the marlins needs? i know of a certain team out west that needs a 2nd basemen, a power hitter, and has some free cash available….

sheldonman14
4 years 9 months ago

I’m not sure, but I heard the Marlins want a catcher, and relief pitcher. Something cheap (they’re the marlins). Jays have both. I still can see this being a 3 team deal. I know this is out of left field but what if Leo Nunez is included in the deal. This could give Jays the closer they need.

BrocNessMonster
4 years 9 months ago

How about the Dodgers trade for Uggla and put him at 3rd. Then they can have a very strong LF platoon of Casey Blake and Jay Gibbons. Second base will still have to be covered, and I think you trade Loney for a pitcher and sign Berkman or someone like that.

eviola1
4 years 9 months ago

Any fan of a team can put together some reason to get a good player like Uggla, does not mean that it may happen. He’s not going to the Dodgers.

vtadave
4 years 9 months ago

Do you have some inside information that he’s not going to the Dodgers? Why wouldn’t they have interest, assuming the payroll is there, which it appears to be for a change.

BlueJays45
4 years 9 months ago

I’m pretty sure they don’t have any alluring catching prospects…correct me if I’m wrong.

4 years 9 months ago

I think it would be a good idea for the Dodgers to at least check in and see how they match up. I wonder what the Marlins would want from the Dodgers.

bleedDODGERblue
4 years 9 months ago

Why not just put him at 2nd?

sheldonman14
4 years 9 months ago

How are the dodgers catching prospects? Relief pitching prospects? I heard that they gave up on Martin, but he’s to expensive for the Marlins to consider.

2UGGLA2BINTO
4 years 9 months ago

I donn’t care what anyone says, presidential or not, blue chip prospects will almost always carry more value when compared to a potential high school or college draft pick.

TheodoreRoosevelt
4 years 9 months ago

Agreed as far as *blue chip* prospects are concerned.

Hope that didn’t take the wind out of your sails. :)

livingpaint
4 years 9 months ago

I would love to see Uggla as a Mariner. He’s basically a better hitting Lopez (which is what we need). Uggla at 2nd and move Figgins back to 3rd. 20 – 30 HR hitter — enough to get Ichiro and Figgins home quite a few times.

Actually, a straight up Lopez for Uggla might work out for both team’s advantage. We need a better hitter and they get Lopez who can probably go on to put up better numbers for a warmer climate team.

eviola1
4 years 9 months ago

Cool, there’s no chance he is going to the Mariners though.

BlueJays45
4 years 9 months ago

The Baseball Gods would murder Florida’s GM if that ever happened…not to mention Jose Lopez.

vtadave
4 years 9 months ago

How does giving up Dan Uggla for a 2B that’s headed towards non-tender land working out for the Marlins’ advantage?

bluejayspwn
4 years 9 months ago

i like uggla but it doesnt make sense for the jays to get another home run hitter when farrel sadi he wanted to get away from the wait until we hit a 3run homer game

4 years 9 months ago

A) Adding HR’s is NEVER a bad thing.
B) Uggla is EXACTLY what Farrell wants. aka HIGH OBP guy.

$1529282
4 years 9 months ago

Uggla isn’t really a “high OBP guy…” his career OBP is .349. Granted, his .369 mark last year was good, but he posted the worst BB% of the last three years in 2010. His OBP was just inflated because of an uncharacteristically high BABIP that raised his batting average, and thus his OBP.

He’s probably a lock for around a .350 OBP, which is solid, but I wouldn’t say really constitutes him as a “high OBP guy.”

And before posting, I just went and looked at Toronto’s OBPs from their starting lineup… I guess .350 would be very, very good for them actually. No offense Jays fans, just saying — lots of low OBPs there last year.

4 years 9 months ago

Your last point is key. For Toronto, that OBP would be very good.

eviola1
4 years 9 months ago

Trust me no offense taken. That’s why we want Uggla.

FriedCalamari
4 years 9 months ago

I read somewhere that the average OBP last year was .330 so uggla’s “.350″ career is at least above average. That would help the Jays a lot considering most of the players on the team were very below average.

bluejayspwn
4 years 9 months ago

oh and this has nothing to do with uggla but does anyone think that we should pick up tony gywn jr. as a 4th out fielder if he gets non tendered by the padres?

4 years 9 months ago

Why? Might as well just keep Dewayne Wise.