Greinke May Consider Large Market Teams

The Yankees and Royals have continued to discuss a Zack Greinke trade and the right-hander is more open to pitching in a major market than it seems, according to Yahoo’s Jeff Passan. Greinke can block trades to the Yankees and other large market teams, but a source close to the former Cy Young Award winner says winning matters more than anything.

Greinke’s partial no-trade clause would give him leverage if the Royals approached him about a deal, but he would not necessarily turn down the chance to pitch for a winning team in a large market. The Royals are still asking for a Mark Teixeira-like haul for their ace, though they're willing to move him. GM Dayton Moore is looking for “at least one major league-ready player and multiple high-level prospects,” Passan writes.

Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reported last month that Greinke can block trades to half the teams in baseball between now and the 2011 trade deadline. Between next August 1st and the end of the 2012 season, when his contract expires, Greinke loses his no-trade protection. The 27-year-old will earn $13.5MM in both 2011 and 2012.


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  1. pjtres 5 years ago

    id prefer to have greinke over lee. another huge 6-7 year commitment is NOT what the yanks should be looking to pursue.

    • Natinals 5 years ago

      Fine you take Greinke and the Nats can have Lee

    • vtadave 5 years ago

      Yankees could have Lee and keep their prospects or shell out money (that they have to burn) for a lesser pitcher. I’d take Lee if I were a fan.

      That said, I imagine a Greinke deal would start with Montero and go from there. Probably Montero, Banuelos, and a prospect in the 10-15 range.

      • twentyfivemanroster 5 years ago

        No way do the Royals take Montero. They already have a slew of young high up-side 1b/DH types, since it’s a given that he is not a ML catcher.

        • MB923 5 years ago

          If he’s ready, he’ll be the Yankees starting catcher next year.

        • MB923 5 years ago

          If he’s ready, he’ll be the Yankees starting catcher next year.

        • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

          Considering how the Yanks are planning on him catching 100 games next year I’m not sure how you can say “it’s a given that he is not a ML catcher”. If that were the honest feelings of Yankee personell then I’m sure they wouldn’t have taken that job from Posada or sat by while Buck, Torrealba and others have signed elsewhere.

          • twentyfivemanroster 5 years ago

            Just because the Yanks start him at C, doesn’t mean he isn’t a defensive liability. The Royals on the other hand, had rid themselves of more “offensive” minded catchers to go with an over-the-hill, once was above average defensive catcher(once was is key) no hitting Kendall. I seriously doubt they want someone that makes John Buck look like Sandy Alomar Jr defensive replacement.

          • MB923 5 years ago

            So players who are defensive liabilities shouldn’t play baseball?

            Some notably bad defenders

            Matt Kemp, Hanley Ramirez, Carlos Lee, Paul Konerko, Ryan Howard, David Wright, Jose Batista, Ryan Bruan, Prince Fielder, Dan Uggla

            “I could go on forever”

          • vtadave 5 years ago

            Don’t forget Gold Glove SS Derek Jeter.

          • I’m not sure you can say Howard, Wright, Braun, and Bautista are BAD defenders per say

          • MB923 5 years ago

            Career UZR

            Howard – -2.6
            Wright – -17.6
            Bruan – -19.9
            Bautista – -11.2

            The only one I suppose I’ll take back is Howard and say he’s decent.

          • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

            I wasn’t arguing with your defensive assement. I was refering to you declaring that he “is not a ML catcher”. If he catches for the Yankees next year then guess what? He’s a catcher.

          • twentyfivemanroster 5 years ago

            Just because the Yanks start him at C, doesn’t mean he isn’t a defensive liability. The Royals on the other hand, had rid themselves of more “offensive” minded catchers to go with an over-the-hill, once was above average defensive catcher(once was is key) no hitting Kendall. I seriously doubt they want someone that makes John Buck look like Sandy Alomar Jr defensive replacement.

        • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

          Considering how the Yanks are planning on him catching 100 games next year I’m not sure how you can say “it’s a given that he is not a ML catcher”. If that were the honest feelings of Yankee personell then I’m sure they wouldn’t have taken that job from Posada or sat by while Buck, Torrealba and others have signed elsewhere.

        • vtadave 5 years ago

          I’m not sure he can’t be a big league catcher, but even if he can’t, the Royals are going to take the best offer regardless of organizational need.

          You don’t think they could turn around and flip Butler, Montero, or Hosmer for something they really need (middle infield)?

        • PookieGonzales 5 years ago

          Usaully Gms just take the best talent they can get. This is GMDM though so you have to take that with a grain of salt.

      • pjtres 5 years ago

        how do they have that money to burn? I think we are seeing the upper limit of what their spending power is now…and you want to add another approx 6 year @ 25 mill commitment to that?

        sheesh!

        montero is a special bat, but if they have their long-term (at least part-time DH) in A-rod…wheres montero going to play? His defense is highly criticized in the MINORS… I am all for the yankees getting younger (which montero would help) but i think if they could get a young, high-ceiling SP like greinke (thats under contract for a reasonable amount the next 2 seasons) you do it.

    • Tko11 5 years ago

      Lee >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Greinke

      • YourBase 5 years ago

        Well, Greinke is like 5 years younger but you wouldn’t have to trade any prospects to get Lee. Personally, I like them both. However, at this point, I’d say that Greinke has more upside left in him and despite a “down year,” he still had 5.2 WAR.

      • pjtres 5 years ago

        yeah, but greinke is younger, more affordable, and signed for less years.
        for the difference between lee and greinke, an aging yankee team, does not need another 6-7 year commitment on an already 32 year old SP.
        Arod is signed through 42. jeter is going to get another 3-4 year deal, CC is signed for another 5 years…teix is signed for another 6…i mean, how much is enough risk?

  2. Ferrariman 5 years ago

    and so starts the Joba Chamberlain, Eduardo Nunez, and Nate Robertson or the Felix Doubront, Micheal Bowden, and Daniel Nava proposals…

    • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

      Nava for Greinke and cash. Btw, You’re thinking of David Robertson… not even sure if Nate is on a team now.

      • Ferrariman 5 years ago

        your right, my bad. The point was still made though lol.

        • Kei_Igawa 5 years ago

          Why do you insist that Red Sox fans and Yankees fans are so naive? Are you just bitter that they spend more money and you express that anger by making it seem that fans of those franchises are delusional? It’s not like fans of any other teams ever make stupid proposals or anything, right?

          • MB923 5 years ago

            It’s not like fans of any other teams ever make stupid proposals or anything, right?

            —–

            Look Kei, what you got from the Yankees was beyond stupid, so of course you’re going to praise them!

          • MB923 5 years ago

            It’s not like fans of any other teams ever make stupid proposals or anything, right?

            —–

            Look Kei, what you got from the Yankees was beyond stupid, so of course you’re going to praise them!

          • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

            Even though you’re technically defending Red Sox fans as well, I’m having trouble taking you seriously with that screen name.

          • MaineSox 5 years ago

            As a Sox fan I have to say that there really are more ridiculous trade proposals from Sox and Yanks fans than from other teams’ fans. It is likely because there is a higher percentage of Sox and Yanks fans on this site than fans of most other teams because you do see them from other teams too, but the fact is every time either team is mentioned on here in a trade rumor 2-3 fans of that team inevitably come on and make crazy proposals.

          • It’s a sample-size issue, nothing more. There are a LOT of fans of both of those teams. And a lot of fair-weather fans of those teams, just as there would be with any other team, were they more successful.

          • MaineSox 5 years ago

            That was actually my point, as I said it is likely because a higher percentage of people who view this site are Sox and Yanks Fans.

          • MaineSox 5 years ago

            As a Sox fan I have to say that there really are more ridiculous trade proposals from Sox and Yanks fans than from other teams’ fans. It is likely because there is a higher percentage of Sox and Yanks fans on this site than fans of most other teams because you do see them from other teams too, but the fact is every time either team is mentioned on here in a trade rumor 2-3 fans of that team inevitably come on and make crazy proposals.

        • Kei_Igawa 5 years ago

          Why do you insist that Red Sox fans and Yankees fans are so naive? Are you just bitter that they spend more money and you express that anger by making it seem that fans of those franchises are delusional? It’s not like fans of any other teams ever make stupid proposals or anything, right?

        • It’s too bad the Cards’ farm system can’t match those offers…

          Realistically, Royals are set in 1b/DH. I doubt they view Montero as a 120-130 games catcher. How about

          Gardner
          Banuelos
          Betances
          Joba
          Romine
          low end priospect

          for Greinke and A.Gordon?

          • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

            Insane. Gordon has ZERO value to anyone right now and would be a serious downgrade to Gardner. Effectively you’re asking for..

            a starting mlb LF/CF w/ 50 SB ability who had a great OBP last year and is the only starter earning under $1 mil.
            Two blue chip front of rotation pitching prospects in Banuelos and Betances.
            A much maligned 25 year old pitcher in Joba who has a 3.63 FIP in 353 IP and a 9 K/9 rate.
            And a top 10 22 year old C who is seen as having the best combo of bat and glove in our system.

            And oh yeah….a low end prospect and assuming $27 mil in payroll.

            Madness. That severly weakens the offense and butchers our farm system which needs to be used to infuse youth and offset some of the long term deals we already have on the books. It should never happen.

          • A.Romine is not GREAT with his glove. He struggled in AA this year.

            Joba has minimal value at this point. I would trade him straight up for Gordon. Gordon is a quality bench player who has potential. Joba has no future in NY.

            I doubt Royals will consider that package.

          • If I were the Royals, I would take the Joba-for-Gordon trade straight up. And I really don’t like Joba.

          • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

            a) I never used the word “great” to describe Romine’s glove. However, most scouts say his glove is mlb ready. What I said was that he had the best combo of bat and glove.

            b) Your quite ridiculous to say that Joba has minimal value. That NY media thing works both ways. It can overhype a player and it can drasticaly sensationalize their struggles.

            If you’re interested on conversing over facts then let’s do it. First, is the obvious that a young power pitcher is more valuable than a week hitting “quality bench player” as you describe him. Joba’s CEILING is anywhere between a mid/front rotation starter to a middle relief-closer.

            Joba’s career: 353 IP, 3.63 FIP, 3.77 ERA, 9.2 K/9- 7.4 WAR
            2010: 71 IP, 2.98 FIP, 4.40 ERA, 9.7 K/9- 1.4 WAR

            age 26 in Sept 2011

            Alex Gordon’s career: .244/.328/.405 w/ 45 hrs in 1,642 PA- 4.4 WAR
            2010: .215/.315/.355 w/ 8 hrs in 281 PA- -0.2 WAR

            age 27 in Feb 2011

            In no measurable way is Gordon more valuable than Joba and I can’t think of 1 GM ,not named Dayton Moore, that would make a Joba for Gordon deal. Furthermore, Joba finished strong in 2010 once he settled into his 3rd role change of his young career.

            2010 1st half: 37 IP, 5.79 ERA, 1.50 whip, 9.6 K/9 and 2.86 KO/BB ratio
            2010 2nd half: 34 IP, 2.88 ERA, 1.07 whip, 9.7 K/9 and 4.63 KO/BB ratio

            Many, many more reasons to expect a better future from Joba than Gordon.

          • this is likely what it will take. I see Gardner, Banuelos and Gary Sanchez as the likely for Grienke.

    • Emanny 5 years ago

      You would have to think the Royals may want Nova, and Montero too.

  3. Brad426 5 years ago

    I bet Nolan Ryan hopes this trade happens.

    • No kidding, I see Texas as the best landing spot for Greinke . Especially as a Cliff Lee sort of replacement who actually has more upside

    • stl_cards16 5 years ago

      Why? The Yankees “need” Greinke and Lee.

      • Brad426 5 years ago

        I guess if Pettitte doesn’t come back they do. Otherwise they have 4 starting spots filled even without Nova.

  4. Zuidvogels 5 years ago

    What’s to stop them from trading for Grienke and signing Lee?

  5. Ben 5 years ago

    Absolutely nothing to stop them from doing both.

    • Except for when the Rangers swoop in and seal the Greinke trade and Cliff Lee declines the Yankee offer and heads back to Arlington, and to top it all off, Nolan Ryan renames the Ballpark “Deer Park” and entices Pettitte to come as well…

      Realistically, the odds of all 3 of those happening (excluding the ballpark name change) is about the same as my chances of winning the lottery or being struck by lightning.

    • Except for when the Rangers swoop in and seal the Greinke trade and Cliff Lee declines the Yankee offer and heads back to Arlington, and to top it all off, Nolan Ryan renames the Ballpark “Deer Park” and entices Pettitte to come as well…

      Realistically, the odds of all 3 of those happening (excluding the ballpark name change) is about the same as my chances of winning the lottery or being struck by lightning.

  6. MB923 5 years ago

    AJ Burnett 2.0 (not injury but stat wise). There is no way he would handle pitching in NY. He even said it himself.

    Please do not do it Yankees.

    • Your assessment of Greinke as another AJ Burnett is silly, with all due respect. Greinke has tremendous upside potential. Seriously.

      Furthermore, he never said, “there is no way I would handle pitching in New York.”

      In fact, when asked about the prospect of pitching for a winning team in the Yankees, he said, “I don’t want to win with the Yankees, I want to win with the Royals.”

      • MB923 5 years ago

        You know who also had some potential going into 2009, a man by the name of AJ Burnett, look how he’s done in NY

        And Greinke said no such thing, he said he wants to win, but he never said he wants to win in KC.

        He has serious anxiety problems, if you think Greinke going to NY is good for the Yankees, you’re dead wrong on that.

        • tehzachatak 5 years ago

          if you’re comparing Burnett’s potential going into 2009 with Greinke’s going into 2011, you are a MADMAN.before signing with the Yankees, Burnett had 5 straight years of between 2-3 WAR, very serviceable. everyone knows he’s got great stuff, and everyone knows he has significant control issues.on the other hand, in Greinke’s 5 previous non-injury seasons, he’s had 2 years between 2-3 WAR, one significant off-year before he got many of his mental issues straightened out with 0.6 WAR (oh wait… he was a reliever), and three years with excellent WAR numbers, one of which was 2009, where he put up 9.0.let me say it in different words: AJ Burnett’s BEST SEASON EVER, 2002, was not even HALF as good as Zack Greinke’s best season ever- in fact, it was only on par with Greinke’s ROOKIE YEAR.Greinke is significantly better than Burnett. it’s really not even close.

          • MB923 5 years ago

            Never said Burnett was better than Greinke. I said if Greinke came to NY, then DO NOT be surprised to see his stats be put up similar to Burnett

            I guess it’s fair to point out their best seasons, but it can also be fair and point out their worst seasons. Greinke had by far and away the worst in 2005

      • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

        Actually, what he said was “I don’t know if I could handle NY”.

      • Generally speaking, 2.0 is usually better than 1.0

      • Generally speaking, 2.0 is usually better than 1.0

  7. Does Texas have the farm to trade for Greinke, after giving up some key pieces for Lee last season?

    I’m hoping the Reds enter the picture.

    • Brad426 5 years ago

      Texas had arguably the best farm system before the Lee trade. They had a lot of pitching depth on Baseball America’s last list.

      • YourBase 5 years ago

        I think the Royals had the best farm then and even more so now. They have at least 4 guys who look like they can become star players.

        • Brad426 5 years ago

          I said arguably. And mostly I’m going by my recollection of the last Baseball America rankings that seemed to have tons of Rangers. I may be wrong as my memory is often times unreliable.

    • Ferrariman 5 years ago

      Derrek Holland plus 2 of Engel Beltre, Alexi Ogando, or Julio Borbon gets it done IMO.

      • As a Ranger fan, the one of those i would LEAST want to lose is Ogando. Holland may or may not ever put it all together. Beltre hasnt made it through the system yet. And Borbon, well, i have mixed feelings about.

  8. I’d ask for Cano and Montero for Greinke.

    • MB923 5 years ago

      I’d ask for a hang up then dial tone.

      • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

        Haha..

      • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

        I wouldn’t have heard the Montero part… would have just dropped to phone from laughing too hard after hearing “Cano”.

    • yea and you wouldn’t get them

    • Ferrariman 5 years ago

      lol wut.

    • moonraker45 5 years ago

      If by that you mean the catching prospect Montero and signed Robbie Cano 2009 World Series Jersey then ya, I’d do that deal.

    • I asked for a cookie yesterday, and never got one. Guess we can’t always have what we’d like, huh?

      • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

        But if you try some time you just might find…

        • Donskoy 5 years ago

          You get what you need? Apparently the Yankees are like that high-matinence girlfriend in high school and a team like the marlins are your father’s magazines then.

          • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

            “Your father’s magazines”….with sticky pages.

    • I asked for a cookie yesterday, and never got one. Guess we can’t always have what we’d like, huh?

    • Guest 5 years ago

      yo..

    • aaronanderson16 5 years ago

      oh and to make this offer a little more fair the cardinals should step in and give the royals Rasmus for FREE! I mean your already getting an all star second basemen and future possible all star catcher why not get a future all-star CF, I mean by your thinking its fair cause none of them have won MVPs and Greinke has a Cy Young so this would easily be the most fair offer ever. I am surprised you do not have a GM job with some team, cause if you had it for the Royals they would win at least 4 WS every decade.

  9. ThinkBlue10 5 years ago

    Greinke would not be successful with the Yankees.

    • MB923 5 years ago

      Reply with 1 if you agree, 2 if you agree, or 3 if you agree.

      I’ll go with 1, 2 and 3.

  10. Ole_Nivek 5 years ago

    Texas seems like the best spot to me. I think the royals have enough DH/1b prospects that Jesus Montero wouldnt be the best fit. If they could get Jurckison Profar and a couple pitching prospects, it would be great for both teams. Profar is blocked by Andrus in Texas and KC would have an impressive infield in a couple years with Profar, Christian Colon, Hosmer, and Moostakes

    • Guest 5 years ago

      I don’t know much about this guy Profar and I’ll do some more research, but it seems like your comment makes sense and I agree with your logic. I agree, its a pretty natural fit in Texas, plus everyone wins. As I said below, the 2 years at $13mm per for Grienke is the perfect compliment to the team and rotation. The Rangers just aren’t and shouldn’t take on any BIG contracts just yet. Not Lee big anyway..

  11. ZeroZeroZero 5 years ago

    Didnt Greinke have some kind of anxiety problem or panic attacks? If the pressure of pitching in Kansas City brought that on, wouldnt the pressure of throwing in NY be worse? I realize that hes been good for a few years now with all of that but thats something that can come back at any moment.

    • twentyfivemanroster 5 years ago

      People seem to not have a grasp on social anxiety. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with being in a major market or smaller market. It has everything to do with the feeling you get being in front(Greinke’s case) or among others in a social atmosphere, regardless of being in NY, KC or anywhere.
      Zack, since, has not had any sort of set-back from his issues and as long as he continues with his meds, it shouldn’t be an issue in the future.

      • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

        Dude. You’re making it sound like Yankee fans are diagnosing the problem or speculating that he won’t be able to handle NY. GREINKE HIMSELF said that while he’s comfortable in a lot of places he might have trouble in NY. What reason would he have to say that if not for the fact that NYC is 10x the media size of KC?

        I have no issues w/ Greinke saying what he said. He knows himself better than anyone else does.

        • twentyfivemanroster 5 years ago

          I speak of someone that suffers from SAD. So, THAT is my reasoning.

          • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

            No disrespect to you and your disorder but YOU are acting as if WE are speculating that he would have a problem, when in fact HE stated that playing in NY might be a problem. I’m assuming by “problem” he’s refering to his anxiety disorder in a media frenzy city like NY and not a possible aversion to metrosexuals, soggy hot dogs sitting in day old hot dog vendor water or fatty hebrew kosher foods, which NY is also known for. Oh and pricey “escorts”.

          • twentyfivemanroster 5 years ago

            But I have read that. I have seen many NY posters saying he couldn’t pitch in NY with his issues. Did I respond to the wrong post, possibly, but I do see that as being a huge issue for many Yankee fans. Read through theses posts, you’ll see it here and you’ll see it on the last time Greinke was mentioned with the Yankees.

            As someone with SAD, I can assure you I feel more comfortable in larger settings than I do in smaller ones, just for the fact that the larger the area, the less likely I feel I’m the focus(even though I know I’m not), but again, that’s just me.

          • Alison Lurie 5 years ago

            The difference is- you I don’t believe have to get up and perform in front of 50,000 fans every night and have every pitch you throw analyzed to death by fans and reporters- When you play for a big market team like the yankees you live in a fishbowl. He would not be a good fit for the yankees-

          • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

            Ok. And for the record I hope I didn’t come off as a jerk with regards to ppl with the disorder. But I’m still suffering from the effects of the “Ed Whitson” era and supremely feel that it takes a special person to handle NY city and if Greinke has his doubts about himself, then considering the costs involved, pass. Maybe I would be less worried if it were just a matter of 2/$27 rather than the contract plus 3-5 top prospects/players.

          • Maybe I’m wrong, and I most certainly could be, but I think Greinke’s statement is being taken _way_ out of context. When asked whether he ever thought about pitching for a winner like the Yankees, he said he didn’t want to win with NY, he wanted to win with KC.

            Does someone have a quote to prove me wrong? I’m being honest here, I don’t know…

          • It has more to do with living in the city than actually performing though.

          • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

            No disrespect to you and your disorder but YOU are acting as if WE are speculating that he would have a problem, when in fact HE stated that playing in NY might be a problem. I’m assuming by “problem” he’s refering to his anxiety disorder in a media frenzy city like NY and not a possible aversion to metrosexuals, soggy hot dogs sitting in day old hot dog vendor water or fatty hebrew kosher foods, which NY is also known for. Oh and pricey “escorts”.

        • Blazin80 5 years ago

          Greinke should go to the Giants, hang out with Lincecum for a while and that anxiety would turn into the munchies.

      • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

        Dude. You’re making it sound like Yankee fans are diagnosing the problem or speculating that he won’t be able to handle NY. GREINKE HIMSELF said that while he’s comfortable in a lot of places he might have trouble in NY. What reason would he have to say that if not for the fact that NYC is 10x the media size of KC?

        I have no issues w/ Greinke saying what he said. He knows himself better than anyone else does.

      • eponine 5 years ago

        social anxiety has to do with receiving attention which he would definitely receive in ny or any other big market. he overcame his anxiety though to win the cy in ’09 so it’s not a barrier to success. ricky williams, nfl player, also has it. he used to conduct interviews wearing his helmet. dontrelle willis has it too. greinke, williams and willis have rec’d treatment and have returned to playing.

    • twentyfivemanroster 5 years ago

      People seem to not have a grasp on social anxiety. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with being in a major market or smaller market. It has everything to do with the feeling you get being in front(Greinke’s case) or among others in a social atmosphere, regardless of being in NY, KC or anywhere.
      Zack, since, has not had any sort of set-back from his issues and as long as he continues with his meds, it shouldn’t be an issue in the future.

  12. Yankeefan4life 5 years ago

    Yankees better not trade for him.

  13. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    I really want no parts of Greinke. From the door there’s just too much unknown regarding Greinke in NY. When a player publicly says..

    “[The environment] had a lot to do with [signing the extension], for sure,” said Greinke. “Now, maybe New York would bother me, but I don’t think anywhere else would bother me anymore. Even though I’m in Kansas City, I’ve gotten used to it a lot more. New York, I still might have trouble in New York. I probably would. But I think almost everyone does.”

    ….then why bother? If HE has doubts about his ability to perform in NY then why should we dismiss that problem?

    • moonraker45 5 years ago

      to be honest, he probably just wants out and the teams not on his trade clause aren’t stepping in or competing to get Grienke. So the Royals said listen, Zach + Agent, if you get the yankees and red sox involved it will drive up the price and demand, and we’ll be able to move you faster, even if its not to one of those teams per say.

      That is a fore warning quote though

    • I dont think that Greinke doubts his ability to perform in the slightest bit, but rather that he is unsure of how greater the city and team will be to deal with on his current routine (whether it be therapy and/or medication, etc). It’s not something that will ever be found out without the Yankees picking him up and trying.

      That being said, I concur with your assessment that you would rather not have him knowing that. Any fan would like to see their team avoid picking up a player that makes lots of money and never performs…. Cowboys fans and Roy Williams come to mind…

  14. APtimes2 5 years ago

    Nobody is looking at this from the Royals point of view. If they trade Greinke who do they start on Opening Day? What energizes the fan base at all for this year? Answer: Nobody and Nothing for this year. So obviously cashing in this season before it even begins seems bad for any franchise. Why would the royals want Joba for Greinke? Trade one head case for another?

    • Perhaps they could use their other starter that posted the same ERA as Greinke… or would that be too logical?

  15. Mick_In_Ithaca 5 years ago

    I don’t know why any team would trade their best prospects and young, controllable players for Greinke. He’s not Cliff Lee. He’s an expensive young pitcher who’s had one great season. He was definitely not great last season. Getting him cheaply would be one thing, but apparently KC wants a ton; then you’ve got him for one season at 11+ million.

    From a Jays fan point of view, I’d be happy if the Yankees trade for him. But I don’t think they will.

  16. BaronOfBacon 5 years ago

    Sounds like the Royals are trying to drive the price up for Greinke.

  17. This dude has head issues and will suck as a Yankee. Javy Vasquez style.

  18. vinnieg 5 years ago

    Montero, Joba, Banuelos, Nova, Adams for Greinke.

    I know it sounds like alot but that is what it will take to land him

    • vinnieg 5 years ago

      let me just add my opinion. i dont want him. i want upton

    • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

      Then he won’t and shouldn’t be a Yankee.

    • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

      Then he won’t and shouldn’t be a Yankee.

  19. Craig Cutler 5 years ago

    Greinke I’ve frickin told you a million times already. Go to the other, better team in Missouri. Geez, the nerve of this guy.

  20. Craig Cutler 5 years ago

    Greinke I’ve frickin told you a million times already. Go to the other, better team in Missouri. Geez, the nerve of this guy.

  21. Zach Greinke >>>>>> Javier Vazquez, AJ Burnett, or just about anyone else. You’re all daft saying you wouldn’t want him.

    • vinnieg 5 years ago

      greinke is not worth his pricetag. i wouldnt mind having him, but i dont want to stomach would it would take

    • vinnieg 5 years ago

      greinke is not worth his pricetag. i wouldnt mind having him, but i dont want to stomach would it would take

  22. Montero1220 5 years ago

    If Greinke says he doesn’t mind a big market it’s because he doesn’t mind it. I would trade for this guy in a second. However besides Montero I don’t think we have the prospects to pull it off and the Royals GM seems really determined to get an awesome return. Wil Myers isn’t projected to stay behind the plate and people see him moving to the outfield so maybe Dayton Moore could start with Gary Sanchez or Austin Romine as the centerpiece of a trade.

    My idea of a possible package:

    Austin Romine+Dellin Betances+Joba Chamberlain+Brett Gardner (Not very impressive, I know!)

  23. slider32 5 years ago

    This is a smart move on Grienke’s agent part. If you get the big market teams in the mix the price goes up. If I were the Yanks I would sign Grienke over Lee, he would be cheaper, he is younger, and he has better stuff. The only thing Lee has on Grienke is control and of course his ability to pitch in the post season. As I’m typing I’m changing my mind. They both are great!

    • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

      Greinke is only signed for 2 years and considering no one knows how he would take to NY there is ZERO reason to think he is a lock to sign an extension if he was acquired. That being the case his age vs Lee’s age is sort of irrelevant. Think of the two in terms of what they did in 2010 and what they might do over the next two years.

      Greinke: 220 IP, 3.34 FIP, 7.4 K/9 and 2.2 BB/9
      Cliff Lee: 212 Ip, 2.58 FIP, 7.8 K/9 and 0.76 BB/9

      Lee is older but I would bet that his production would be similar to his 2010 season over the next 2 years. Also, an unknown is “how will Greinke perform under the heat of the playoffs”? Has little to do with his anxiety order as better men have struggled in the post-season as well. With Cliff Lee at least he’s battle tested.

      Therefor…Lee over Greinke is a safer bet in terms of 2011 and 2012 since that’s all you’re guaranteed of getting from Greinke if traded for.

      Also, it amazes me how no one ever considers the translated monetary value of the players that would be involved in a Greinke trade.

      Not all prospects will become stars but I would say Montero is a safe bet to be an impact bat. Out of Betances, Banuelos or Nova you should get at least a mid rotation starter. Brett Gardner is already a top defensive LF and a 5.4 WAR player. What’s the cost of not having the cost controlled services of those players and the cost of replacing their production on the open market?

  24. slider32 5 years ago

    This is a smart move on Grienke’s agent part. If you get the big market teams in the mix the price goes up. If I were the Yanks I would sign Grienke over Lee, he would be cheaper, he is younger, and he has better stuff. The only thing Lee has on Grienke is control and of course his ability to pitch in the post season. As I’m typing I’m changing my mind. They both are great!

  25. MetsEventually 5 years ago

    Sure, let the Rangers sign Lee then. Grienke is another AJ waiting to happen.

  26. MetsEventually 5 years ago

    Sure, let the Rangers sign Lee then. Grienke is another AJ waiting to happen.

  27. if the royals trade Greinke royals fans will not be happy and i am one of those fans

  28. if the royals trade Greinke royals fans will not be happy and i am one of those fans

  29. safari_punch 5 years ago

    Get real. The Yankees prospects stink.

    He’s not going to New York.

  30. Guest 5 years ago

    I haven’t read through all the comments, so it may have been mentioned, but I see the good timing of this post as a smart move and a ploy by Cashman. Why? If this is in fact true or who cares, if the Rangers essentially feel pinched by this, it could speed things up for them to make a move and trade for Grienke. Let’s face it; Rangers don’t really have the money to compete for Lee. The broadcasting deals, and other related financial ventures really wont start paying for another 24-36 months. Greinke is exactly the type of pitcher and contract they need, albeit the lost of some prospects. 2 years at a reasonable salary and top notch stuff while they continue to right the ship down there. Grienke would do well down there in my opinion. What this also does is potentially lower or stabilize the ask for Lee. Something that quickly became $140mm over 6 years, comes back down to $100-$120mm over 5 years and since no one has really made any formal offers, then this could be less. Not saying he is not worth it, but it would be interesting to see where the market is if the Rangers withdrawn. Probably still in the $100mm range. They are both great, but I’d rather have Lee and keep the prospects. Come on Cash, make em sweat!

    • Well said. There are some games being played between yanks and rangers involving Lee, Petitte, and now Greinke

  31. RoyalBlue 5 years ago

    Please dont trade him to the NYY… I would rather trade him to Boston if we have to move him…

  32. RoyalBlue 5 years ago

    Please dont trade him to the NYY… I would rather trade him to Boston if we have to move him…

  33. Hoosierdaddy92 5 years ago

    I will admit, Greinke the Yankee has a nice rangkie to it.

  34. Hoosierdaddy92 5 years ago

    I will admit, Greinke the Yankee has a nice rangkie to it.

  35. Marchetti89 5 years ago

    forget the media. with his anxiety issues NY probably wouldnt be ideal period, and im not talking playing for the yankees im talking about riding the subways and walking the streets. i met a guy who said he was zack grienkes cousin and this was before he was an elite pitchers and i believe him because he mentioned zack greinkes anxiety problems then. honestly im a mets fan and i wouldnt want greinke because NY is not a good place for someone with that kind of problem. good luck with that yankees, i bet you guys are wishing the boss was still around RIP

  36. Yastrzemski 5 years ago

    If I were Cincinnati I would offer Bruce, Wood, Francisco and a PTBNL. Or replace Bruce with Yonder Alonso. Votto has the kid blocked at 1st, either get something for him or stick him in RF and get something for Bruce while you still can.

  37. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    To be honest, Greinke has had 1 elite season yet he is given the tag of being an elite pitcher. $13.5 may not be the market value of an “elite”pitcher but it sure isn’t chump change either. So the guys point is that he will cost 3 or 4 really good players and $27 mil for 2 years. That’s a lot.

  38. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    To be honest, Greinke has had 1 elite season yet he is given the tag of being an elite pitcher. $13.5 may not be the market value of an “elite”pitcher but it sure isn’t chump change either. So the guys point is that he will cost 3 or 4 really good players and $27 mil for 2 years. That’s a lot.

  39. The same way he handles it when he is being boo’ed by 50,000 Red Sox fans. By kicking the other teams ass.

    (oops was accidently logged in my main email, oh well)

  40. MB923 5 years ago

    So we use the number of Cy Young Awards/MVP’s to determine who is better? Guess Doug Drabek (1 time Cy Young Award winner) was better than Tony Gwynn (0 MVP’s)

  41. MB923 5 years ago

    So we use the number of Cy Young Awards/MVP’s to determine who is better? Guess Doug Drabek (1 time Cy Young Award winner) was better than Tony Gwynn (0 MVP’s)

  42. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    That such an insanely stupid question. Right now Cano is the Yanks best hitter and their youngest. He’s post several All-Star caliber years @ 2B and you don’t create 1 massive hole to acquire a player who is more of a luxury than a need.

  43. moonraker45 5 years ago

    because Cano plays everyday, is now the heart of their offence, and plays great defense.Oh not to mention the fact that Grienke gets more money then Cano. you

  44. moonraker45 5 years ago

    because Cano plays everyday, is now the heart of their offence, and plays great defense.Oh not to mention the fact that Grienke gets more money then Cano. you

  45. vin050 5 years ago

    the royals would make that deal in a second

  46. vin050 5 years ago

    the royals would make that deal in a second

  47. vtadave 5 years ago

    Cano is one of the best players in baseball at a position of true scarcity. I’ll take three years of that over two years of a guy who is a riskier commodity as a pitcher and who regressed last year.

  48. moonraker45 5 years ago

    Wait so let me get this straight….

    He’s awesome and toys with hitters…but you hope he comes to New York and bombs?

  49. He was elite in 2008 too..not quite as good as his amazing 2009, but he was definitely a top 25 pitcher that season.

  50. He was elite in 2008 too..not quite as good as his amazing 2009, but he was definitely a top 25 pitcher that season.

  51. MaineSox 5 years ago

    Take it for what it is worth but for comparison since 2008 Greinke has put up a 19.5 WAR while Lee has put up a 20.9 WAR and Sabathia has put up a 19.0 WAR (I chose ’08 because in ’06 Greinke was a reliever and in ’07 he pitched less than 70 innings).

    It keeps going too:
    FIP-Greinke 3.59 – Lee 3.77 – C.C. 3.58
    WHIP-Greinke 1.26 – Lee 1.26 – C.C. 1.23
    K/9-Greinke 7.56 – Lee 6.93 – C.C. 7.56
    BB/9-Greinke 2.27 – Lee 2.24 – C.C. 2.81

    I could keep going (their HR/9, BAA, and LOB% are all comparable too) but I think you get the point. There are legitimate points to be made but that he isn’t elite isn’t one of them. Unless of course you are ready to make an argument that Lee and Sabathia aren’t elite either.

  52. Hoosierdaddy92 5 years ago

    so is 7 years and 160 million which is around what the Yanks will have to pay for an older pitcher with similar numbers

  53. Hoosierdaddy92 5 years ago

    so is 7 years and 160 million which is around what the Yanks will have to pay for an older pitcher with similar numbers

  54. Guest 5 years ago

    “Right now Cano is the Yanks best hitter and their youngest”

    Not only that, but I’d argue that Cano is possibly one of the top 5 overall players (hitting and fielding) in baseball at the moment. Guy has ridiculous value considering age, that awesome contract and really, unlimited potential.

  55. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Elite is top 5…top 10. Not top 25. Top 25 is good, maybe even very good.

  56. a young 20 something year old ace? why not just go after Felix Hernandez, proven to shut down the opposition year in and year out? I think us as Yankees fans would know something about that.

  57. Natinals 5 years ago

    Derek Norris is better than Romine.

  58. YourBase 5 years ago

    Uh yeah they do. Wil Myers looks to be a great catcher. Romine, Chamberlain, Nova and some C prospect isn’t going to get Greinke.

  59. I know what you’re thinking, and I agree, the Yankees would put CC above Greinke. But you and I know that Greinke is a better pitcher.

  60. Myers does not project to be a catcher.

  61. PookieGonzales 5 years ago

    Um i pretty sure that he does. It’s less the question about how good he will be able to catch, rather than WHEN will he be able to catch. His catching skills are at a far lower level than his hitting skills. Thus the thinking is that moving him will get his bat to the majors MUCH sooner. Anyway I doubt if he projected to be any worse than Montero that they would have him waste his time at catcher at all.

  62. exactly. He is one of the top-5 out there.

  63. er, no. But yes, letss see !

  64. jwredsox 5 years ago

    In order to trade for a guy he has to be actually available…

  65. yankeesfan88 5 years ago

    You are talking about an A ball playing 21 year old…

  66. Not for long… If Cano plays 2011 like he did 2010, he’ll be looking at Jeter or A-Rod money.

  67. YourBase 5 years ago

    Yes my mistake. He looks to be an amazing hitter back there even though his defense is a little lacking now. Still, he’s not Victor Martinez back there or anything so I wouldn’t be worried about his development.

  68. moonraker45 5 years ago

    and grienke is going to get paid in chocolate bars?

  69. moonraker45 5 years ago

    and grienke is going to get paid in chocolate bars?

  70. moonraker45 5 years ago

    Hernandez, Wainright, Halladay, Jimenez, Price

  71. Hoosierdaddy92 5 years ago

    Not sure I agree. Felix, Price, Weaver, Lester, and Ubaldo are better and Halladay,Wainwright, Hamels, Josh Johnson, Sabathia, Lee, Kershaw, Buchholz, Lincecum, Cain, and Verlander would probably beat him out as well given his mental issues. I’d say he’s more like top 15

  72. Hoosierdaddy92 5 years ago

    Not sure I agree. Felix, Price, Weaver, Lester, and Ubaldo are better and Halladay,Wainwright, Hamels, Josh Johnson, Sabathia, Lee, Kershaw, Buchholz, Lincecum, Cain, and Verlander would probably beat him out as well given his mental issues. I’d say he’s more like top 15

  73. If he wants, sure.

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