Joey Votto Wins NL MVP Award

Reds first baseman Joey Votto won the National League MVP award today, according to the BBWAAAlbert Pujols, Carlos Gonzalez, Adrian Gonzalez, Troy Tulowitzki, Roy Halladay, Aubrey Huff, Jayson Werth, Martin Prado, and Ryan Howard round out the top ten.


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143 Comments on "Joey Votto Wins NL MVP Award"


ellisburks
4 years 9 months ago

Go Canada!

formerdraftpick
4 years 9 months ago

2 thumbs up!

stl_cards16
4 years 9 months ago

Congrats. He deserved it.

pastlives
4 years 9 months ago

no surprise there, congrats to Joey, way to rep Canada/Toronto!

4 years 9 months ago

Well deserved.

HummBaby
4 years 9 months ago

I thought Kenny Powers had it locked up myself.

55saveslives
4 years 9 months ago

Huff and Posey got a good number of votes :)

HummBaby
4 years 9 months ago

I saw that. Was nice to see.

4 years 9 months ago

31 of 32 1st place??
not buying it

BlueCatuli
4 years 9 months ago

Ditto, I thought he would win it, but I figured Pujols and Gonzalez would take a few more.

penpaper
4 years 9 months ago

Well deserving, Congrats Red fans!

Yankeefan4life
4 years 9 months ago

Not surprised that he won, but surprised at the number of 1st place votes he got.

Nice job Votto! Future of the Reds is well deserving.

twins33
4 years 9 months ago

Same. He deserved to win, I just didn’t think it was going to be a complete landslide.

pastlives
4 years 9 months ago

Well it’s not like the voters collude to paint a fairer picture of Votto’s and Pujol’s relative value. If we all think he clearly deserved to win over Pujols, it shouldn’t be tooooo shocking that all the voters agreed!

twins33
4 years 9 months ago

True. The last few years in voting have been pretty good/great. I think I’m just still shocked by them getting more things right now.

Infield Fly
4 years 9 months ago

Way to go, Joey-V!

Finally some love for one of the other greats in the NL!

HummBaby
4 years 9 months ago

I’m in complete agreement.

4 years 9 months ago

I can’t wait for next season, in hopes of a full healthy season by Troy Tulowitzki. I can’t imagine what his numbers would have been like this year if he hadn’t missed any time.

Congrats Joey Votto, and all Cincy fans. What a great season.

Roland
4 years 9 months ago

Good luck! Tulo has never had a full “healthy” season!!

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

Even though he was at the bottom of the list, it’s nice to see Carlos Ruiz getting some respect from around the league. He’s much more valuable than his offensive stats dictate, and is largely responsible for the success of the Phils’ pitching staff, especially Roy Halladay, who often credits Ruiz with his success.

Congrats to Joey Votto though. He definitely deserved to be MVP!

4 years 9 months ago

The only person responsible for Halladay’s success is the man himself.

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

Congrats for having no idea what you’re talking about.

4 years 9 months ago

Wow. A little harsh, don’t you think? I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. Are you telling me that Ruiz was the reason for Halladay’s success in Toronto, too? Seems like you think Halladay wouldn’t be successful without him.

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

Not really. It’s kind of hard to attribute Halladay’s success with Toronto to Ruiz when Halladay’s only been here for one season. For that reason, I thought it was pretty apparent that I was talking about 2010, and not Halladay’s career. Sorry if that was confusing or vague, but I’d be pretty brazen to say that someone Halladay met about a year ago was largely responsible for Halladay’s success over his career. I can’t remember the amount of times Halladay has said, or analysts have agreed, that he rarely shakes Ruiz off. He calls a great game, and Halladay benefited from that. Is that better?

stl_cards16
4 years 9 months ago

I think the point he is making is, Halladay didn’t do anything not expected when the Phils traded for him. I think he was the large favorite to win the cy young and have a huge year the second he was traded to the NL no matter what team or catcher he was with.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

No its not, doc was good before ruiz, and he will be as good after ruiz… you’re over reaching

$1529282
4 years 9 months ago

Wait wait wait. Halladay, a nice guy and well-respected team leader, offered praise for a teammate? His catcher? Back the truck up. You lost me.

Roy’s a veteran of the game and knows what to say to the media. When they say “Roy, how’d you manage that no hitter today?” You don’t respond a la Bret the Hitman Hart and say, “Because I’m the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be baby. And the Marlins suck.” You credit your defense and your catcher. Baseball interviews are by and large cliche because players just say “the right thing” rather than say anything new. It’s no different than saying “Oh we just try to take things one game at a time,” or “Tomorrow’s a new day! Can’t dwell on the tough loss we just suffered, gotta get ready for Game 2!”

Halladay crediting Ruiz is a formality. It’s as much of a credit to Ruiz as Barry Bonds crediting Mike Bascik for his throwing the pitch on his record-breaking HR. It was going to happen at some point, regardless of who was pitching… just like Halladay was going to pitch well in 2010 regardless of who was catching. He’s one of the best pitchers of the past quarter-century. Ruiz is no more responsible for his success than any of his prior catchers.

We’re not talking about a rookie like Brad Bergesen suddenly turning his numbers around once Matt Wieters started catching him in 2009. Then, I’d at least have some belief in the theory (though still take it with a grain of salt).

Ruiz got votes because he hit .302/.400/.447 as a catcher. He threw out 29% of base stealers and caught in 118 games. Voters didn’t say “Boy Ruiz really turned Roy Halladay’s game around this season! He’s my #6 on the ballot!” They looked and said “Wow, Ruiz was the only non-Mauer catcher to post a .400 OBP this season! And he slugged .447 and was tough on base runners. That’s damn impressive.”

And they were right. The fifth place vote was overkill, but he was definitely valuable and deserving of a little recognition. Just not for the reasons you’re saying.

not_brooks
4 years 9 months ago

Congrats for being ignorant.

Halladay could put up Cy Young numbers throwing to a backstop. I could understand giving a ton of credit to, say, Pudge Rodriguez for working with the young Marlins and Tigers pitchers. But to heap credit on Ruiz after Halladay has been doing this for almost a decade is just kind of strange.

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

Ignorant is saying that Ruiz had nothing to do with Halladay’s success in 2010, when he clearly did, as per the man himself. He deserves a “heap of credit” for the games he calls, and I don’t know why people think that giving Carlos Ruiz credit takes away from Halladay. It just shows how good they are in combination.

4 years 9 months ago

Dude, what are you doing arguing about the Phillies on MLBtraderumors? Don’t you know that the Phillies are just a bunch of overpaid bums with too many years to their contracts that will fall apart behind the “up-and-coming” Braves? Just like they were supposed to succumb to the Mets for years. The commenters on this site still think that Ruiz is a .220 hitter and Howard is worse than Adam LaRoche. They’d probably trade Chase Utley and Shane Victorino for Marlon Byrd and Blake DeWitt because DeWitt’s WAR and OPS+ potential are out of this world!!!!! OMGZ!!! sabermetriczzzzz. Jealousy of the Phillies is a disease that runs rampant through this site. It’s sickening. Phillies could sign Hamels to a 4 year extension worth $14 mill a year and they would say we overpaid on an up-and-down pitcher. But, the Royals could spend a couple million on the Jason Kendalls and Kyle Farnsworths of the world, and they’d be making “shrewd moves.”

stl_cards16
4 years 9 months ago

Or people just think it’s crazy that he thinks one of the best pitchers over the last 10 years had a good year, this year, because of an average catcher. I don’t care what team Roy Halladay went to, he could of put up the same numbers. He was not any better this year than he was with the Jays. But for some reason this year, you want us to believe it’s because of the catcher?

malcolmec
4 years 9 months ago

Well, if you look at what the guy actually said, he said that “Ruiz is largely responsible for the success of the Phillies’ pitching staff” and that Roy Halladay “often credits RUiz with his success.” The first point here is debatable, though what is not debatable is that since Ruiz took over the full time catching job, the Phillies’ pitching staff has improved tremendously, going from mediocre at best in 2006-2007 to one of the better staffs in the league in 2008, respectable in 2009, and again an above average staff in 2010.

That Halladay often credits RUiz with his success is clearly true; Halladay has said repeatedly how much he likes throwing to Chooch. Halladay is also an extremely humble man for someone who makes 20 million dollars/year, so take that statement with a grain of salt. Still, if Halladay likes throwing to Ruiz, it stands to reason that he is more comfortable on the mound, which psychologically will have some effect on his performance, even if it’s only a marginal improvement.

The second commenter leapt in with a trolling comment accusing myname_989 of giving Ruiz all the credit for Halladay’s success, which anyone with half a brain and reading comprehension skills can tell is not the case, and then everyone decided to join the witch hunt because this is the internet and no one has to act reasonable if they don’t want to. There is nothing wrong with saying Ruiz deserved a stray MVP vote or two. He hit .300, his OBP was in the .390s, he played solid defense an got a lot of clutch hits. Seems like some people are a little testy, huh?

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

It’s terrible knowing that you can’t even post a comment giving a guy credit where credit is due without someone jumping down your throat. Thank you for understanding. Lol

bustersposey
4 years 9 months ago

are you allowed to say ‘little testy’ here?

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

Once again, that wasn’t the point I was making, and Carlos Ruiz is largely considered one of the best catchers in the National League, because of his defensive abilities and his aptitude towards calling a game. If you actually read my comment, I said that he has benefited the Phils’ staff immensely, and Roy Halladay benefitted from this as well. Does that mean that Carlos Ruiz made Roy Halladay who he is? No. But he also showed just how good of a catcher he was, helping Halladay to a perfect game and a no hitter. Could he have accomplished those things on his own? Maybe. He definitely did with Carlos Ruiz though. Roy Oswalt said the same thing coming over from Houston about Ruiz’s ability to call a game. I’m not sure why there was so much of an outcry about saying that Ruiz deserves some of the credit for Halladay and the rest of the staff’s success. It’s the truth.

Carlos Ruiz makes the Phils’ pitching staff better.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

“Jealousy of the Phillies is a disease that runs rampant through this site. It’s sickening.”

Arrogant much?? honestly one of the worst, most un funny posts I’ve ever read on this site.

$1529282
4 years 9 months ago

I dunno. I sure wish I could be paying Ryan Howard $25M for his age-37 season. Dude’s got a point. I’m sick with envy.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

So I guess Gregg Zaun, Rod Barajas, Kevin Cash and Ken Huckaby all deserve credit as well?

malcolmec
4 years 9 months ago

If Roy Halladay was throwing to a backstop, he’d llose every game, giving up as many unearned runs per inning as his WHIP because EVERY PITCH WOULD BE A PASSED BALL.

So no, Roy Halladay could not put up Cy Young numbers throwing to the backstop.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

not everything should be taken so literally.

not_brooks
4 years 9 months ago

Thank you, Captain Literal. You make everything much more fun.

malcolmec
4 years 9 months ago

Hey, when you make dumb statements, you’ll often get disappointing responses.

not_brooks
4 years 9 months ago

Wow, dude. Don’t take yourself so seriously. Go out and have a drink or something.

dproukno
4 years 9 months ago

not unless the batters swung and missed/made an out

just sayin’

4 years 9 months ago

Congrats to Votto, he deserved it. Also, it’s nice to see Martin Prado in the top-10. Certainly not deserving of the award, but it’s always nice to see one of the true team players in baseball recognized.

NYBravosFan10
4 years 9 months ago

yay Martin!!!

4 years 9 months ago

Prado was the “WHA?” name on the list this year. Swell guy, and I see what they were going for, just getting him some recognition. But still. WHA?

4 years 9 months ago

I am pretty curious as to who gave Ryan Howard their second place vote.

Sixto_Lezcano
4 years 9 months ago

Which morons keep voting for Ryan Howard? He could spend the entire season on the DL and still end up with some second place votes…

malcolmec
4 years 9 months ago

Yea man, first basemen who hit 30 homers and knock in 100+ runs while cutting down on strikeouts during a down year totally suck.

jb226
4 years 9 months ago

“Not sucking” is not the definition of “MVP.” Not even close.

4 years 9 months ago

someone gave ryan howard a 2nd place vote……really…?

not_brooks
4 years 9 months ago

Especially in a season in which he put up a career low OPS.

Who knows. Maybe it was a Philly writer who was proud of the big guy for striking out less than 180 times.

PS – Just looked at Howard’s Baseball-Reference page and was reminded of that contract extension. Any Philly phans want to throw up a little? Howard is guaranteed $85M over four years from ages 34 through 37. Ouch.

malcolmec
4 years 9 months ago

Not really, because Ryan Howard was kept down in the minor leagues longer than he should’ve been (the Thome trade was kind of a slap in the face to him) and then immediately put up RoY and MVP seasons and they still let him go to arbitration for three more years after that. All the while Ryan has been a likeable, soft-spoken guy who kept whatever resentment he may have felt off of the field and worked hard to improve his defense, cut down on strikeouts, and lose weight. In the real world, people get pay raises based on past performance, not on what they’re expected to do in the future. And even though he might not live up to his contract, I’d still rather have Ryan Howard out there batting .270 with 30+ home runs every season than take a gamble on some minor leaguer. And when Pujols, Adrian Gonzalez, and Prince FIelder go around looking for $30/35 million/year because of Howards contract, Amaro’s move may even seem like a bargain.

not_brooks
4 years 9 months ago

Sorry dude, but the “nice guy” bit shouldn’t be an excuse for giving a guy a ridiculously stupid extension. And even if it was, do you really think Howard will be hitting .270 with 30 homers as a 35-year-old and beyond?

Moving on, how was the Thome trade a “slap in the face” to Howard? The Phils thought that Howard was ready, so Thome was expendable. If anything, the Thome trade was a nice “we think you’re the guy” gesture from the Phillies to Howard.

And now I just realized that you’re probably talking about when the Phillies signed Thome as a free agent prior to the 2003 season. At the point that the Phillies signed Thome, Howard was coming off an .828 OPS as a 22-year-old in A-ball. How is that a slap in the face? Howard was in A-ball. Enough said.

Oh well. In the end, I know none of this will mean anything to you, so all I can say is: Good luck with Ryan Howard. For your sake, I hope the decline isn’t as sharp and quick as it looks like it’s going to be.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

ryan howard works for the Philadelphia Star, he voted for himself.

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

But still couldn’t give himself a first place vote.

stl_cards16
4 years 9 months ago

Not to take anything away from Votto, this is his day. But to see Albert Pujols’ name being mentioned with Stan Musial, Mickey Mantle, and Ted Williams when it comes to MVP’s and the voting just makes you realize how special he has been. Being a Cardinal fan and seeing what he does everyday I probably don’t appreciate it as much as I should.

penpaper
4 years 9 months ago

He can retire right now and he’ll be a first ballot HOFer. His comparables shouldn’t come as a surprise. Players like Albert Pujols don’t come around often.

I mean, 10 consecutive top 10 finish?! And only one of them were more than 5th place(9th in ’07). That’s utterly ridiculous. How can a .327/.429/.568/.997 line be considered sub-par? Only with a special player like Pujols!

stl_cards16
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, I’m just saying we have been spoiled and sometimes it’s hard to realize how great something is in the moment. It’s pretty amazing most of the guys that win the MVP have career years, and you compare their numbers to Albert and they are pretty much his career averages.

4 years 9 months ago

Every single season top 10 voting in MVP, with 9/10 being in the top 4. It is absolutely amazing.

Red_Line_9
4 years 9 months ago

Carlos Gonzalez also had a very fine season

4 years 9 months ago

yeah he almost had as many votes as Pujos… That kinda surprised me how close it was between the two of them.

GasLampGuru
4 years 9 months ago

I think if you looked at the supporting cast supplied to each of the top ten in the NL MVP voting, you’d see that the most deserving candidates were Adrian Gonzalez and Aubrey Huff. No one had less help than those two. Everyone else in the top ten is entrenched in a star-studded lineup with ample support/protection.

The Reds lineup was loaded. The Cardinals lineup is loaded. The Rockies lineup is loaded. Same with the Phillies.

That award shouldn’t be entirely about stats, it should be awarded to the least replaceable player in the league. If you take Gonzalez out of the Padres lineup they are lucky to win 70 games. Same with Huff. Can you say the same about the Cardinals, Phillies, Rockies, and Reds?

adieuordie
4 years 9 months ago

gonzo was worth twenty wins last year?

4 years 9 months ago

Your position seems a little too strong, and it does not really map onto what the MVP award has evolved into. Also, it is not even immediately obvious to me that Huff was the most valuable player for the Giants this year.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Having a good year on a team that isn’t stacked offensively shouldn’t be a stipulation for winning the MVP… and realistically the reds lineup wasn’t all that stacked…

As good and Gonzalez and Huff were this year, they shouldn’t get the MVP just because their teams are more focused on pitching and defense then offense.

not_brooks
4 years 9 months ago

Of course, Votto’s OPS (1.024) was more than 100 points higher than Gonzalez’s (.904) and Huff’s (.891).

So… Yeah.

4 years 9 months ago

Maybe Gonzalez, but not Huff.

4 years 9 months ago

What would happen if you took Gonzalez out of the Padres’ lineup and put Votto in his place? The Padres are probably in the playoffs. Why? Because Votto is more valuable than Gonzalez.

Ben_Cherington
4 years 9 months ago

WTF? are you making a joke, Adrian puts up crazy number in that park and would have better numbers in Cinci if you swapped them. He already has very similar numbers and has zero protection and plays in a notorious pitchers park. Vottos numbers would decline if swapped.

Remember votto had 3 other guys in his lineup that had 20 plus homers and two more with 18. Thats a pretty good lineup with some protection.

Gonzo had not one person with more than 13! If they were switched Adrian has better numbers no questions asked.

4 years 9 months ago

Votto stats were actually better on the road than they were at home. Nice try though. Who in the Reds lineup is scaring the other team into pitching to Votto? Nobody. Rolen tailed off so bad in the second half they were almost pitching around Votto and he still produced.

Votto deserved it more the Adrian. If he didn’t the padres would have made the playoffs.

malcolmec
4 years 9 months ago

True. The Reds had a lot of power this year, but aside from Votto most of their hitters had obvious exploitable weaknesses. Rolen had a huge first half but then stopped hitting, Gomes and Stubbs strike out a lot, Brandon Phillips and Orlando Cabrera are aggressive at the plate and Jay Bruce, as talented as he is, is still a young hitter and thus susceptible to some of the oldest tricks in the book. If I’m on the mound, I am much more scared of Votto than I am of anyone else in that lineup.

4 years 9 months ago

Jay Bruce may make you swallow your words in the next year or so. muhaha….

Ben_Cherington
4 years 9 months ago

votto did deserve it but that doesnt make your original argument valid!

phillips 18 hr
rolen 20 hr
gomes 18 hr
stubbs 2 hr
bruce 25

and all had pretty decent stats. check here:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CIN/2010.shtml

padres
headley 11 hr
hairston 10 hr
venable 13 hr

who had more protection?

BlueCatuli
4 years 9 months ago

I respectfully disagree.

Ben_Cherington
4 years 9 months ago

The Cardinals lineup wasnt loaded! If I remember correctly they couldnt score runs at all down the stretch. But I agree with your statement. The Reds, Rockies and Phils all had very good lineups for their best players.

Pujols never had anyone on in front of him, nor did anyone drive him in…other than Holliday but Im just going on what I saw and have not checked stats.

Congrats to Votto, loved watching him this year!

Kaiser_Wilhelm_II
4 years 9 months ago

Besides Holliday, the rest of the Cardinal’s lineup was shockingly weak and lacking depth. Even Holliday’s season was somewhat disappointing.

BlueCatuli
4 years 9 months ago

I’m assuming you left Pujols out of there because he is so damn good, right?

Ben_Cherington
4 years 9 months ago

he was replyin to my comment about how other than pujols the cards didnt have a good offensive season, so yes pujols is left out bc he is so damn good. Sad thing is is that he had a down year and is still an mvp candidate. He is amazing!

not_brooks
4 years 9 months ago

PS – Cincinnati won the NL Central by five games. I think it’s safe to say that, without Votto’s massive contributions, the Reds might have lost those five games, and quite a few more.

MetsEventually
4 years 9 months ago

MVP stands for Most Valuable player, not Player Who Had The Least Help In A Lineup.

Also, Cardinals are not loaded.

Stl_Great
4 years 9 months ago

Cardinals lineup is not loaded. Past Pujols, Holliday, and rasmus (not so much, La Juica sat him too much) we have no one.

jb226
4 years 9 months ago

I know what you’re saying and I agree to a point, but MVP is one individual award that I think should at least factor in team’s success. We already have the Silver Slugger and the Gold Glove if we want awards to recognize offense or defense and the Cy Young to recognize pitching; MVP, I think, is something else.Even assuming you were right that the Padres win 70 games without Gonzalez (and he is NOT a 20 WAR player) I’m not sure the most valuable person in the league is one who gets his team from not making the playoffs to not making the playoffs by less. Take Votto out of the Reds lineup, on the other hand, and you very well may see the division flip and the Cardinals in the playoffs.Players like the two Gonzalezes, Pujols — they all deserve MVP votes based on their extremely strong play. I just don’t think they deserve to win, not this year.

Satrimmons
4 years 9 months ago

Like always, there’s always some idiot who gets voting privileges. Someone put Pujols as 6th on their ballot.