Joey Votto Wins NL MVP Award

Reds first baseman Joey Votto won the National League MVP award today, according to the BBWAAAlbert Pujols, Carlos Gonzalez, Adrian Gonzalez, Troy Tulowitzki, Roy Halladay, Aubrey Huff, Jayson Werth, Martin Prado, and Ryan Howard round out the top ten.

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  1. ellisburks 5 years ago

    Go Canada!

  2. formerdraftpick 5 years ago

    2 thumbs up!

  3. stl_cards16 5 years ago

    Congrats. He deserved it.

  4. pastlives 5 years ago

    no surprise there, congrats to Joey, way to rep Canada/Toronto!

  5. Well deserved.

  6. HummBaby 5 years ago

    I thought Kenny Powers had it locked up myself.

  7. 31 of 32 1st place??
    not buying it

    • BlueCatuli 5 years ago

      Ditto, I thought he would win it, but I figured Pujols and Gonzalez would take a few more.

  8. penpaper 5 years ago

    Well deserving, Congrats Red fans!

  9. Yankeefan4life 5 years ago

    Not surprised that he won, but surprised at the number of 1st place votes he got.

    Nice job Votto! Future of the Reds is well deserving.

    • twins33 5 years ago

      Same. He deserved to win, I just didn’t think it was going to be a complete landslide.

      • pastlives 5 years ago

        Well it’s not like the voters collude to paint a fairer picture of Votto’s and Pujol’s relative value. If we all think he clearly deserved to win over Pujols, it shouldn’t be tooooo shocking that all the voters agreed!

        • twins33 5 years ago

          True. The last few years in voting have been pretty good/great. I think I’m just still shocked by them getting more things right now.

  10. Infield Fly 5 years ago

    Way to go, Joey-V!

    Finally some love for one of the other greats in the NL!

  11. I can’t wait for next season, in hopes of a full healthy season by Troy Tulowitzki. I can’t imagine what his numbers would have been like this year if he hadn’t missed any time.

    Congrats Joey Votto, and all Cincy fans. What a great season.

    • Roland 5 years ago

      Good luck! Tulo has never had a full “healthy” season!!

  12. myname_989 5 years ago

    Even though he was at the bottom of the list, it’s nice to see Carlos Ruiz getting some respect from around the league. He’s much more valuable than his offensive stats dictate, and is largely responsible for the success of the Phils’ pitching staff, especially Roy Halladay, who often credits Ruiz with his success.

    Congrats to Joey Votto though. He definitely deserved to be MVP!

    • The only person responsible for Halladay’s success is the man himself.

      • myname_989 5 years ago

        Congrats for having no idea what you’re talking about.

        • Wow. A little harsh, don’t you think? I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. Are you telling me that Ruiz was the reason for Halladay’s success in Toronto, too? Seems like you think Halladay wouldn’t be successful without him.

          • myname_989 5 years ago

            Not really. It’s kind of hard to attribute Halladay’s success with Toronto to Ruiz when Halladay’s only been here for one season. For that reason, I thought it was pretty apparent that I was talking about 2010, and not Halladay’s career. Sorry if that was confusing or vague, but I’d be pretty brazen to say that someone Halladay met about a year ago was largely responsible for Halladay’s success over his career. I can’t remember the amount of times Halladay has said, or analysts have agreed, that he rarely shakes Ruiz off. He calls a great game, and Halladay benefited from that. Is that better?

          • stl_cards16 5 years ago

            I think the point he is making is, Halladay didn’t do anything not expected when the Phils traded for him. I think he was the large favorite to win the cy young and have a huge year the second he was traded to the NL no matter what team or catcher he was with.

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            No its not, doc was good before ruiz, and he will be as good after ruiz… you’re over reaching

          • $1529282 5 years ago

            Wait wait wait. Halladay, a nice guy and well-respected team leader, offered praise for a teammate? His catcher? Back the truck up. You lost me.

            Roy’s a veteran of the game and knows what to say to the media. When they say “Roy, how’d you manage that no hitter today?” You don’t respond a la Bret the Hitman Hart and say, “Because I’m the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be baby. And the Marlins suck.” You credit your defense and your catcher. Baseball interviews are by and large cliche because players just say “the right thing” rather than say anything new. It’s no different than saying “Oh we just try to take things one game at a time,” or “Tomorrow’s a new day! Can’t dwell on the tough loss we just suffered, gotta get ready for Game 2!”

            Halladay crediting Ruiz is a formality. It’s as much of a credit to Ruiz as Barry Bonds crediting Mike Bascik for his throwing the pitch on his record-breaking HR. It was going to happen at some point, regardless of who was pitching… just like Halladay was going to pitch well in 2010 regardless of who was catching. He’s one of the best pitchers of the past quarter-century. Ruiz is no more responsible for his success than any of his prior catchers.

            We’re not talking about a rookie like Brad Bergesen suddenly turning his numbers around once Matt Wieters started catching him in 2009. Then, I’d at least have some belief in the theory (though still take it with a grain of salt).

            Ruiz got votes because he hit .302/.400/.447 as a catcher. He threw out 29% of base stealers and caught in 118 games. Voters didn’t say “Boy Ruiz really turned Roy Halladay’s game around this season! He’s my #6 on the ballot!” They looked and said “Wow, Ruiz was the only non-Mauer catcher to post a .400 OBP this season! And he slugged .447 and was tough on base runners. That’s damn impressive.”

            And they were right. The fifth place vote was overkill, but he was definitely valuable and deserving of a little recognition. Just not for the reasons you’re saying.

        • not_brooks 5 years ago

          Congrats for being ignorant.

          Halladay could put up Cy Young numbers throwing to a backstop. I could understand giving a ton of credit to, say, Pudge Rodriguez for working with the young Marlins and Tigers pitchers. But to heap credit on Ruiz after Halladay has been doing this for almost a decade is just kind of strange.

          • myname_989 5 years ago

            Ignorant is saying that Ruiz had nothing to do with Halladay’s success in 2010, when he clearly did, as per the man himself. He deserves a “heap of credit” for the games he calls, and I don’t know why people think that giving Carlos Ruiz credit takes away from Halladay. It just shows how good they are in combination.

          • Dude, what are you doing arguing about the Phillies on MLBtraderumors? Don’t you know that the Phillies are just a bunch of overpaid bums with too many years to their contracts that will fall apart behind the “up-and-coming” Braves? Just like they were supposed to succumb to the Mets for years. The commenters on this site still think that Ruiz is a .220 hitter and Howard is worse than Adam LaRoche. They’d probably trade Chase Utley and Shane Victorino for Marlon Byrd and Blake DeWitt because DeWitt’s WAR and OPS+ potential are out of this world!!!!! OMGZ!!! sabermetriczzzzz. Jealousy of the Phillies is a disease that runs rampant through this site. It’s sickening. Phillies could sign Hamels to a 4 year extension worth $14 mill a year and they would say we overpaid on an up-and-down pitcher. But, the Royals could spend a couple million on the Jason Kendalls and Kyle Farnsworths of the world, and they’d be making “shrewd moves.”

          • stl_cards16 5 years ago

            Or people just think it’s crazy that he thinks one of the best pitchers over the last 10 years had a good year, this year, because of an average catcher. I don’t care what team Roy Halladay went to, he could of put up the same numbers. He was not any better this year than he was with the Jays. But for some reason this year, you want us to believe it’s because of the catcher?

          • malcolmec 5 years ago

            Well, if you look at what the guy actually said, he said that “Ruiz is largely responsible for the success of the Phillies’ pitching staff” and that Roy Halladay “often credits RUiz with his success.” The first point here is debatable, though what is not debatable is that since Ruiz took over the full time catching job, the Phillies’ pitching staff has improved tremendously, going from mediocre at best in 2006-2007 to one of the better staffs in the league in 2008, respectable in 2009, and again an above average staff in 2010.

            That Halladay often credits RUiz with his success is clearly true; Halladay has said repeatedly how much he likes throwing to Chooch. Halladay is also an extremely humble man for someone who makes 20 million dollars/year, so take that statement with a grain of salt. Still, if Halladay likes throwing to Ruiz, it stands to reason that he is more comfortable on the mound, which psychologically will have some effect on his performance, even if it’s only a marginal improvement.

            The second commenter leapt in with a trolling comment accusing myname_989 of giving Ruiz all the credit for Halladay’s success, which anyone with half a brain and reading comprehension skills can tell is not the case, and then everyone decided to join the witch hunt because this is the internet and no one has to act reasonable if they don’t want to. There is nothing wrong with saying Ruiz deserved a stray MVP vote or two. He hit .300, his OBP was in the .390s, he played solid defense an got a lot of clutch hits. Seems like some people are a little testy, huh?

          • myname_989 5 years ago

            It’s terrible knowing that you can’t even post a comment giving a guy credit where credit is due without someone jumping down your throat. Thank you for understanding. Lol

          • bustersposey 5 years ago

            are you allowed to say ‘little testy’ here?

          • myname_989 5 years ago

            Once again, that wasn’t the point I was making, and Carlos Ruiz is largely considered one of the best catchers in the National League, because of his defensive abilities and his aptitude towards calling a game. If you actually read my comment, I said that he has benefited the Phils’ staff immensely, and Roy Halladay benefitted from this as well. Does that mean that Carlos Ruiz made Roy Halladay who he is? No. But he also showed just how good of a catcher he was, helping Halladay to a perfect game and a no hitter. Could he have accomplished those things on his own? Maybe. He definitely did with Carlos Ruiz though. Roy Oswalt said the same thing coming over from Houston about Ruiz’s ability to call a game. I’m not sure why there was so much of an outcry about saying that Ruiz deserves some of the credit for Halladay and the rest of the staff’s success. It’s the truth.

            Carlos Ruiz makes the Phils’ pitching staff better.

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            “Jealousy of the Phillies is a disease that runs rampant through this site. It’s sickening.”

            Arrogant much?? honestly one of the worst, most un funny posts I’ve ever read on this site.

          • $1529282 5 years ago

            I dunno. I sure wish I could be paying Ryan Howard $25M for his age-37 season. Dude’s got a point. I’m sick with envy.

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            So I guess Gregg Zaun, Rod Barajas, Kevin Cash and Ken Huckaby all deserve credit as well?

          • malcolmec 5 years ago

            If Roy Halladay was throwing to a backstop, he’d llose every game, giving up as many unearned runs per inning as his WHIP because EVERY PITCH WOULD BE A PASSED BALL.

            So no, Roy Halladay could not put up Cy Young numbers throwing to the backstop.

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            not everything should be taken so literally.

          • not_brooks 5 years ago

            Thank you, Captain Literal. You make everything much more fun.

          • malcolmec 5 years ago

            Hey, when you make dumb statements, you’ll often get disappointing responses.

          • not_brooks 5 years ago

            Wow, dude. Don’t take yourself so seriously. Go out and have a drink or something.

          • dproukno 5 years ago

            not unless the batters swung and missed/made an out

            just sayin’

  13. Congrats to Votto, he deserved it. Also, it’s nice to see Martin Prado in the top-10. Certainly not deserving of the award, but it’s always nice to see one of the true team players in baseball recognized.

    • NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

      yay Martin!!!

    • Prado was the “WHA?” name on the list this year. Swell guy, and I see what they were going for, just getting him some recognition. But still. WHA?

  14. I am pretty curious as to who gave Ryan Howard their second place vote.

  15. Sixto_Lezcano 5 years ago

    Which morons keep voting for Ryan Howard? He could spend the entire season on the DL and still end up with some second place votes…

    • malcolmec 5 years ago

      Yea man, first basemen who hit 30 homers and knock in 100+ runs while cutting down on strikeouts during a down year totally suck.

      • jb226 5 years ago

        “Not sucking” is not the definition of “MVP.” Not even close.

  16. someone gave ryan howard a 2nd place vote……really…?

    • not_brooks 5 years ago

      Especially in a season in which he put up a career low OPS.

      Who knows. Maybe it was a Philly writer who was proud of the big guy for striking out less than 180 times.

      PS – Just looked at Howard’s Baseball-Reference page and was reminded of that contract extension. Any Philly phans want to throw up a little? Howard is guaranteed $85M over four years from ages 34 through 37. Ouch.

      • malcolmec 5 years ago

        Not really, because Ryan Howard was kept down in the minor leagues longer than he should’ve been (the Thome trade was kind of a slap in the face to him) and then immediately put up RoY and MVP seasons and they still let him go to arbitration for three more years after that. All the while Ryan has been a likeable, soft-spoken guy who kept whatever resentment he may have felt off of the field and worked hard to improve his defense, cut down on strikeouts, and lose weight. In the real world, people get pay raises based on past performance, not on what they’re expected to do in the future. And even though he might not live up to his contract, I’d still rather have Ryan Howard out there batting .270 with 30+ home runs every season than take a gamble on some minor leaguer. And when Pujols, Adrian Gonzalez, and Prince FIelder go around looking for $30/35 million/year because of Howards contract, Amaro’s move may even seem like a bargain.

        • not_brooks 5 years ago

          Sorry dude, but the “nice guy” bit shouldn’t be an excuse for giving a guy a ridiculously stupid extension. And even if it was, do you really think Howard will be hitting .270 with 30 homers as a 35-year-old and beyond?

          Moving on, how was the Thome trade a “slap in the face” to Howard? The Phils thought that Howard was ready, so Thome was expendable. If anything, the Thome trade was a nice “we think you’re the guy” gesture from the Phillies to Howard.

          And now I just realized that you’re probably talking about when the Phillies signed Thome as a free agent prior to the 2003 season. At the point that the Phillies signed Thome, Howard was coming off an .828 OPS as a 22-year-old in A-ball. How is that a slap in the face? Howard was in A-ball. Enough said.

          Oh well. In the end, I know none of this will mean anything to you, so all I can say is: Good luck with Ryan Howard. For your sake, I hope the decline isn’t as sharp and quick as it looks like it’s going to be.

    • moonraker45 5 years ago

      ryan howard works for the Philadelphia Star, he voted for himself.

      • 0bsessions 5 years ago

        But still couldn’t give himself a first place vote.

  17. stl_cards16 5 years ago

    Not to take anything away from Votto, this is his day. But to see Albert Pujols’ name being mentioned with Stan Musial, Mickey Mantle, and Ted Williams when it comes to MVP’s and the voting just makes you realize how special he has been. Being a Cardinal fan and seeing what he does everyday I probably don’t appreciate it as much as I should.

    • penpaper 5 years ago

      He can retire right now and he’ll be a first ballot HOFer. His comparables shouldn’t come as a surprise. Players like Albert Pujols don’t come around often.

      I mean, 10 consecutive top 10 finish?! And only one of them were more than 5th place(9th in ’07). That’s utterly ridiculous. How can a .327/.429/.568/.997 line be considered sub-par? Only with a special player like Pujols!

      • stl_cards16 5 years ago

        Yeah, I’m just saying we have been spoiled and sometimes it’s hard to realize how great something is in the moment. It’s pretty amazing most of the guys that win the MVP have career years, and you compare their numbers to Albert and they are pretty much his career averages.

    • Every single season top 10 voting in MVP, with 9/10 being in the top 4. It is absolutely amazing.

  18. Red_Line_9 5 years ago

    Carlos Gonzalez also had a very fine season

    • yeah he almost had as many votes as Pujos… That kinda surprised me how close it was between the two of them.

  19. GasLampGuru 5 years ago

    I think if you looked at the supporting cast supplied to each of the top ten in the NL MVP voting, you’d see that the most deserving candidates were Adrian Gonzalez and Aubrey Huff. No one had less help than those two. Everyone else in the top ten is entrenched in a star-studded lineup with ample support/protection.

    The Reds lineup was loaded. The Cardinals lineup is loaded. The Rockies lineup is loaded. Same with the Phillies.

    That award shouldn’t be entirely about stats, it should be awarded to the least replaceable player in the league. If you take Gonzalez out of the Padres lineup they are lucky to win 70 games. Same with Huff. Can you say the same about the Cardinals, Phillies, Rockies, and Reds?

    • adieuordie 5 years ago

      gonzo was worth twenty wins last year?

    • Your position seems a little too strong, and it does not really map onto what the MVP award has evolved into. Also, it is not even immediately obvious to me that Huff was the most valuable player for the Giants this year.

    • moonraker45 5 years ago

      Having a good year on a team that isn’t stacked offensively shouldn’t be a stipulation for winning the MVP… and realistically the reds lineup wasn’t all that stacked…

      As good and Gonzalez and Huff were this year, they shouldn’t get the MVP just because their teams are more focused on pitching and defense then offense.

    • not_brooks 5 years ago

      Of course, Votto’s OPS (1.024) was more than 100 points higher than Gonzalez’s (.904) and Huff’s (.891).

      So… Yeah.

    • Maybe Gonzalez, but not Huff.

    • What would happen if you took Gonzalez out of the Padres’ lineup and put Votto in his place? The Padres are probably in the playoffs. Why? Because Votto is more valuable than Gonzalez.

      • Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

        WTF? are you making a joke, Adrian puts up crazy number in that park and would have better numbers in Cinci if you swapped them. He already has very similar numbers and has zero protection and plays in a notorious pitchers park. Vottos numbers would decline if swapped.

        Remember votto had 3 other guys in his lineup that had 20 plus homers and two more with 18. Thats a pretty good lineup with some protection.

        Gonzo had not one person with more than 13! If they were switched Adrian has better numbers no questions asked.

        • Votto stats were actually better on the road than they were at home. Nice try though. Who in the Reds lineup is scaring the other team into pitching to Votto? Nobody. Rolen tailed off so bad in the second half they were almost pitching around Votto and he still produced.

          Votto deserved it more the Adrian. If he didn’t the padres would have made the playoffs.

          • malcolmec 5 years ago

            True. The Reds had a lot of power this year, but aside from Votto most of their hitters had obvious exploitable weaknesses. Rolen had a huge first half but then stopped hitting, Gomes and Stubbs strike out a lot, Brandon Phillips and Orlando Cabrera are aggressive at the plate and Jay Bruce, as talented as he is, is still a young hitter and thus susceptible to some of the oldest tricks in the book. If I’m on the mound, I am much more scared of Votto than I am of anyone else in that lineup.

          • Jay Bruce may make you swallow your words in the next year or so. muhaha….

          • Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

            votto did deserve it but that doesnt make your original argument valid!

            phillips 18 hr
            rolen 20 hr
            gomes 18 hr
            stubbs 2 hr
            bruce 25

            and all had pretty decent stats. check here:
            link to

            headley 11 hr
            hairston 10 hr
            venable 13 hr

            who had more protection?

      • BlueCatuli 5 years ago

        I respectfully disagree.

    • Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

      The Cardinals lineup wasnt loaded! If I remember correctly they couldnt score runs at all down the stretch. But I agree with your statement. The Reds, Rockies and Phils all had very good lineups for their best players.

      Pujols never had anyone on in front of him, nor did anyone drive him in…other than Holliday but Im just going on what I saw and have not checked stats.

      Congrats to Votto, loved watching him this year!

      • Kaiser_Wilhelm_II 5 years ago

        Besides Holliday, the rest of the Cardinal’s lineup was shockingly weak and lacking depth. Even Holliday’s season was somewhat disappointing.

        • BlueCatuli 5 years ago

          I’m assuming you left Pujols out of there because he is so damn good, right?

          • Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

            he was replyin to my comment about how other than pujols the cards didnt have a good offensive season, so yes pujols is left out bc he is so damn good. Sad thing is is that he had a down year and is still an mvp candidate. He is amazing!

    • not_brooks 5 years ago

      PS – Cincinnati won the NL Central by five games. I think it’s safe to say that, without Votto’s massive contributions, the Reds might have lost those five games, and quite a few more.

    • MetsEventually 5 years ago

      MVP stands for Most Valuable player, not Player Who Had The Least Help In A Lineup.

      Also, Cardinals are not loaded.

    • Stl_Great 5 years ago

      Cardinals lineup is not loaded. Past Pujols, Holliday, and rasmus (not so much, La Juica sat him too much) we have no one.

    • jb226 5 years ago

      I know what you’re saying and I agree to a point, but MVP is one individual award that I think should at least factor in team’s success. We already have the Silver Slugger and the Gold Glove if we want awards to recognize offense or defense and the Cy Young to recognize pitching; MVP, I think, is something else.Even assuming you were right that the Padres win 70 games without Gonzalez (and he is NOT a 20 WAR player) I’m not sure the most valuable person in the league is one who gets his team from not making the playoffs to not making the playoffs by less. Take Votto out of the Reds lineup, on the other hand, and you very well may see the division flip and the Cardinals in the playoffs.Players like the two Gonzalezes, Pujols — they all deserve MVP votes based on their extremely strong play. I just don’t think they deserve to win, not this year.

  20. Satrimmons 5 years ago

    Like always, there’s always some idiot who gets voting privileges. Someone put Pujols as 6th on their ballot.

  21. Tom 5 years ago

    Congrats to Votto… but that big of a difference between him and Pujols? Really??

    • not_brooks 5 years ago

      Old school voters love the playoffs. And Votto was the main reason the Reds won the NL Central over Pujols and the Cardinals. That’s probably why the margin was so wide.

      • $1639238 5 years ago

        Honestly, who really cares that Votto got that many more first place votes. I don’t think it’s anything against Pujols, I just think 31 writers thought Votto was very, very slightly better.

      • BentoBox 5 years ago

        Voting was done before the postseason.

  22. Great for Votto and the Reds he deserved it. Now if the Bengals could just fire Marvin Lewis and get a HC that knows what their doing. We can wish cant we M. Brown is a loser.

    • I’m ready to fire Marvin, trade Carson to some team who still believes he is what he used to be for a high draft pick and start over with a fresh young QB.

  23. MetsEventually 5 years ago

    I was caught between Votto and Car-Go for most of the season, but Votto being on a winning team plus the 1.024 OPS really gave it away.

    Also, David Wright got a vote. WOO.

    • Can someone give me a link that shows the players votes? Can’t find one…

  24. jdub220 5 years ago

    Congrats to Votto. He definitely deserved it.

  25. moonraker45 5 years ago

    No surprises here, Joey had it locked pretty much the entire year…

    The AL MVP should be far more interesting as I have zero clue who’s going to win

    • Well, it’s most likely Hamilton or Cano. I got…

      1. Cano
      2. Hamilton
      3. Cabrera

      • There’s no way Cano wins. It’s either Hamilton or Cabrera. I believe Hamilton wins, though I feel Cabrera should.

        • Cabrera should, but he’s gonna finish 3rd. Not much doubt there……sadly.

        • twins33 5 years ago

          Agreed, Cabrera should. I’m hoping for a miracle. I hate the guy, but I think he deserves the award.

      • not_brooks 5 years ago

        Hamilton’s got too much going for him. The numbers, the story, the fact that his team played in the World Series. All of that will make the voters forget that he missed a month.

        • 0bsessions 5 years ago

          Voting occurs before the playoffs start, so one of those goes out the window. That said, the dude led the AL in WAR by close to a full win, if anyone else gets the MVP, I’ll be surprised and pretty disgusted.

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            Voting SHOULD go like this

            1. Hamilton
            2. Cabrera
            3. Cano
            4. Jose Bautista’s Beard

          • 0bsessions 5 years ago

            I’m curious as to why Beltre is getting absolutely no love. He had a better UZR, OPS and WAR than Cano. I definitely wouldn’t give him the MVP over Hamilton, but I’ve got to think he’s in the discussion for top three. Really the only thing Cano consistently had over Beltre was plate discipline.

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            Cano was on a playoff team, Beltre wasn’t… that’s pretty much it.

            Besides Hamilton, Cano was the best individual player on any team that made the playoffs in the AL..

            Then you have players who will receive a lot of 2, 3 and 4th place votes because they were on non play off teams but had really strong years.. Cabrera, Bautista, Beltre

            As I see it Beltre should finish 4th, 5th or 6th in voting. Rightfully so.

          • 0bsessions 5 years ago

            Meh. I’m quite against a player not being on a playoff team counting against them. Heck, if not for Beltre, the Red Sox probably would’ve been essentially out of the playoff picture sometime in August.

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            Well if making the playoffs becomes irrelevant for MVP voting, realistically Beltre still doesn’t have a chance. So regardless of whether the Sox made the playoffs or not, Beltre wouldn’t be an MVP, and either will Cano.

          • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

            Not to mention that Cano was better than Beltre in just about every category and those that he didn’t beat him in he was w/in a -5 point of matching.

            I won’t even get into my arguement against UZR which also screws with WAR. Yeah I will….

            Cano led ALL 2B in the majors (AL & NL) in Total Chances (+31), Putouts (+9), Assists (+12), Double plays (+4) and along with Brandon Phillips had the fewest errors among 2B who played at least 1,000 innings but yet has a -0.6 UZR. I guess his range is horrible and he was just “lucky” to be in the right place at the right time despite being on a team with a SS w/ horrible range and a staff that ranked 16th in GB% and 9th in FB% in all of baseball. Does anyone realize how freakin’ “LUCKY” you have to be to be in the perfect place at the perfect time when your range is “allegedly” so bad? It amazes me how we put so much credence into stone cold facts but easily accept one that is largely dependent

            UZR judgment criteria

            Outfield Arm Runs (ARM) – the amount of runs above average an outfielder saves with their arm by preventing runners to advance.

            **Doesn’t apply to 2B.

            Double-Play Runs (DPR) – the amount of runs above average an infielder is in turning double-plays.

            ***He led the majors in DP by a 2B.

            Range Runs (RngR) – is the player an Ozzie Smith or an Adam Dunn? Do they get to more balls than average or not?

            **The only non-numerical criteria of the formula. If I’m correct it relys on someone’s observation who determines what a player should have gotten to in his “specific” zones in a small sample size.

            Error Runs (ErrR) – does the player commit less or more errors compared with a league-average player at the position?

            **Commited the fewest errors by a 2B along w/ Brandon Phillips (1,000 innings +)

            So of all the above it seems that RngR, or range runs, (The number of runs above or below average a fielder is, determined by how the fielder is able to get to balls hit in his vicinity) is what is weighing down Cano from being a top 2B in UZR thus also causing him to have a relatively low defensive WAR (-0.9) compared to Utley (12.9), Ellis (12.7), Hudson (12) and Phillips (9.7).

            Forgive if I’m wrong but how do we, people obssessed with numeric evaluations, so accepting of someone’s “eyeball observation” which is then input into a numeric formula that creates such outlandish findings like….

            Cano being a below average 2B?
            Teixeira being a -2.9 and Adam Dunn only -0.2 worse at -3.1?
            David Wright (no I hate the Mets) being the worst 3B in baseball behid Panda, Blake or even Arod?

            And why such a huge disparity between other sabermaticians?

            Fangraphs- Cano is a -0.9, MLB RF has Cano 5th in RF w/ a 4.99 RF and Bill James has Cano ranked 4th behind Hudson, Ellis and Rodrigues in the AL and I think was 5th or 6th overall. Why the inconsistencies?

            Please tell me I’m not the lonly one that doesn’t find some of the UZR ranking incredibly odd when you compare the actual individual component stats that factor in? And why do we accept the one component, Range Runs, that partialy uses non-statistical data?

            If I’m wrong please educate me.

            Whew….ok. Let’s get back to Joey Votto.

  26. InTheKZone 5 years ago

    I’m not a fan of the Reds by any stretch but Votto deserved to win the MVP.

  27. Jiujitsu411420 5 years ago

    I’m glad Votto pulled it off over pujols and cargo. They were all pretty similar in stats but he did lead the reds to the playoff’s and that has to mean something.I will say any one of the three deserved it though.

  28. 14 Rocks 5 years ago

    Cheers to Joey Votto, he more than deserved it. And boos to Charlie Manuel who thought Ryan Howard was more deserving of an all-star nod than Votto (thank goodness the final fan vote made up for his stupidity).

  29. MetsEventually 5 years ago

    Also, wasn’t Votto the guy that barely made the All-Star team because the voting is a joke?

  30. $1639238 5 years ago

    BBWA have yet to royally screw up an award this year! (I thought Pujols was slightly better than Votto when you considered park factors, but this is hardly a screw up. It’s one of those rare times where there was no wrong answer between the two). They obviously can’t go six for six, therefore, I predict Chone Figgins will win the AL MVP.

  31. Stl_Great 5 years ago

    I’m probably being bias but Pujols should have won it. Pujols had better stats than Votto in alot of things. Plus Pujols played more games, and had better defense. Which somehow doesn’t come into account of the voting when defense completes a player, ALSOOO Pujols doesn’t have anger issues which causes him to not play in games, That’s not being a MVP, That’s being self centered and not helping your team.Pujols for MVP 11′ 12′ 13′ 14 ’15 ’16 ’17 ’18 ’19 ’20!!!

    • O971 5 years ago

      Votto and Pujols were about even this year fielding wise.

    • stl_cards16 5 years ago

      Albert probably hurt his own case in 06′ when he said he thought it should go to someone whose team made the playoffs. lol But Votto was well deserving this year. I don’t have a problem with the results.

    • moonraker45 5 years ago

      I love posts that start off by saying X had better stats the Y in a lot of things..

      then you read the post, and realize that they didn’t even list the stats…

  32. congrats Votto, looking forward to seeing you put up the same monster numbers next year, and looking forward to another tightly fought pennant race bewtween two very good teams in the Reds and the Cardinals. Congrats to Puljos for his good year and finishing second.

  33. safari_punch 5 years ago

    I was in Etobicoke on Saturday! That’s where Votto is from….

    The End

  34. O971 5 years ago

    Voters were a year late on the Adrian Gonzalez bandwagon. He had a better year last year yet finished 12th and finished 4th this year. Obviously the team was better this year, but I personally feel the MVP is an individual award.

    • moonraker45 5 years ago

      you cant just give it out to a player who has a good year on a bad team..

      San Diego won 75 games last year, how can you justify having an MVP from that team??

      If you take Gonzalez off the roster and insert some bum, they would probably have only won what, 65 games? The question is does 10 wins difference on a basement team matter that much.. the answer is no

      It should go to the best player who had a great year on a team that at least made the playoffs.

      • O971 5 years ago

        That’s why I said “I personally feel.” The players themselves have no control on how their team performs outside of their individual performance and I don’t feel they should be penalized. The MVP award is an award that the vast majority of players won’t even get a chance to get a chance to come close to winning and I feel that they shouldn’t be penalized from their chance to win it by factors outside of their control.
        I basically feel that it should be treated the same way that the Cy Young award is treated and go to the best player (Mr. Felix and his 13 Wins) , not the best player on a good team. Obviously there are different opinions on what the award itself should mean and I think yours is probably the one that most of the voters probably agree with, but I have to respectably disagree.

  35. mrmet128 5 years ago

    good for Votto. he deserved it. it must feel even better for him after the depression issues he used to have.

  36. BobbyJohn 5 years ago

    The right guy won, I believe. Congrats to Votto.

    For myself, I see two Rockies in the top 5 here and one in the top 3 of the Cy Young voting. And only one of the three has turned 26. Not a bad core to put a couple of pieces around.

  37. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Congrats to JV. Great stats and on a playoff team. But most importantly, I’m from Brooklyn and ya gotta love a guy named “Joey Votto”..Bada bind bada boom fagetaboutit OH!

  38. triguous 5 years ago

    I think Carlos Gonzalez was more deserving. I really became a fan of his this year. He is the ultimate player. Hitting, running, fielding, throwing. A stellar season. Shouldn’t look down on a player because his team doesn’t make the playoffs. At least the AL Cy Young got it right with Felix.

  39. stl_cards16 5 years ago

    need a dislike button

  40. I hope you’re not a bitter Rangers fan. Cheer up, it’s not a big deal.

  41. stl_cards16 5 years ago

    Don’t have a problem with you not liking Giants fans, have a problem with your comment.

  42. Infield Fly 5 years ago

    “I just dislike ppl who randomly come out when thr team doesnt suck anymore. Those aren’t real fans…theyre bandwagon, frontrunner, fakiiiiies”

    I know what you mean. I live in NY and they manufacture ’em by the hundreds here.

  43. MetsEventually 5 years ago

    with Royce Clayton as Ruben Tejada!

  44. Infield Fly 5 years ago

    I’m a Mets fan — and I even went to games THIS year.

    ‘Nuff said! 😉

  45. Infield Fly 5 years ago

    …Actually the way it goes ’round here: the minute we CAN pitch nobody can be bothered to hit. Just ask Johan!

  46. Jason_F 5 years ago

    Hardly something to laugh about and/or be proud of. Here’s to your handle being banned in due time…

  47. stl_cards16 5 years ago

    Yeah, I had to deal with him earlier. Tim is usually pretty quick to take care of these guys. I’m guessing he will be banned soon. Very immature

  48. moonraker45 5 years ago

    thankfully you’ll be banned soon

  49. moonraker45 5 years ago

    “a cutter in? weird that never occurred to me. but hey man you’re carlos ruiz and i’m just roy halladay, i’ll trust you. here goes nothin”

    hahahaha nicely done

  50. jb226 5 years ago

    +1 for hilarity in addition to being right.

    Halladay’s numbers were not substantially different this year compared to last (or even compared to the last few). Giving credit to Ruiz for that is a head-scratcher just in general. Combine that with the fact that Halladay went to the NL where people consider it easier to pitch, and where most of the hitters have never faced him before, and quite frankly one would expect him to have numbers that improved more than they did.

  51. moonraker45 5 years ago

    Sounds like his business card

    Albert F. Pujols
    good at baseball

  52. twins33 5 years ago

    Poor Johan, he thought he was going to make it big by leaving. Not the case. I’m sure he enjoys the money though.

  53. Infield Fly 5 years ago

    Ha ha…well, no matter where they end up, a good chunk of major leaguers make more dough in one year than I would in 3 lifetimes put together – or more (with a decent salary, no less). So while I really love the Johan, I can’t feel TOO sorry for him, or anybody else making a dollar amount with “MM” after it!! 😀

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