Odds & Ends: Werth, A’s, Yankees, Berkman, D’Backs

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  1. The_BiRDS 5 years ago

    Obviously… Stros have Wallace. Shave about 15 pounds off his bum and he is going to be a stud.

  2. Ah, the Daily News. What tripe. I wonder how long that hack Madden spent writing what amounts to “After Lee, the FA and trade markets for starting pitching is very thin!!!”

  3. PookieGonzales 5 years ago

    Worth just looks like a redsock. He just belongs. Not that I would sign him mind.

    • ellisburks 5 years ago

      I don’t want him with the Sox. They have too many outfielders as it is and he will want too much money for too many years. I would rather play out JD and Cameron’s contracts and see what’s available in 2012.

      • Sawksfan 5 years ago

        The 2012 class is ugly. There really aren’t options available like Werth or Crawford. I certainly don’t feel comfortable depending on Cameron or Drew, and even Ellsbury given the health issues in 2010. Kalish will start the year in minors and can be developed more and brought up later in season. Depth is not necessarily a bad thing, and can help prevent having an OF of Nava, Patterson and Reddick in 2011. I think Sox need to make a splash now and Cameron/Drew will be off books, giving Sox a OF of Werth or CC, Ellsbury and Kalish in 2012.

  4. EdinsonPickle 5 years ago

    I think the Yank’s plan B would be to go after a pitcher through a trade. There isn’t much on the market after Lee, so I could see them trying to bolster their rotation that way.

  5. I wonder what Cashman’s level of comfort in the trade market would be after the disastrous ’09 off season and the not terribly great ’10 season (outside of Wood and the first two weeks of Kearns)? Especially with the Killers Bs starting to get closer to being major league ready.

    • Slopeboy 5 years ago

      Can you explain the ‘Disastrous ’09 off season and not terribly great ’10 season…’ for me? I’m sure 26 teams would love to have such a disappointing year.

      • PookieGonzales 5 years ago

        I think he means he trades not the actual season.

        • Which would include the Swisher trade.

          • That trade happened before the 09 season.

            But I like your thinking!

          • yup very true I got my seasons pre/post/off mixed up…. I guess technically it was 08-09 off-season but the OP was clearly referring to the Granderstand and Javy trades…

    • Nick Swisher and Curtis Granderson have been incredibly crappy players for us, it’s true. God, what I would do to have Wilson Betemit back.


  6. Slopeboy 5 years ago

    If the Red Sox sign Werth, would it be an admission that losing Bay was a mistake?
    I mean there’s very little difference between the two, when you look at their history. I’ll concede that Werth plays a bit better defense and appears to run better, but that’s all I can see. If the Sox pay more for Werth, then Theo’s just covering his mistake by doing the unthinkable- throwing money at a mistake a la the ‘Evil Empire’.

    • jwredsox 5 years ago

      Not when the Red Sox had concerns about Bay’s knees longterm and I don’t think anyone could argue letting Bay walk was a mistake given his 2010 season. It is just the Sox signing a player they have more confidence in giving all that money to. But all and all I hope they get Crawford.

      • johnsilver 5 years ago

        This talk everywhere of signing Werth I really hope is just slinging talk. Boston is 1 season away from getting out from under the LH version of Werth and now people expect Epstein to blow 80-100M for a RH version with far less track record and the same age as Drew was when he was given his 75M contract? What very, very short memories everyone has and there is no rush this time, no Trot Nixon retiring, they have a RF, LF, or CF if they want Ells to shift there and Cameron has some capabilities still.. Why all this wasteful spending wishing going on, when most will be the 1st to complain when he turns into a pumpkin after to years like has happened with Drew and Werth struggles?

        This is not directed at you jwredsox, you have pretty much been right on for the most part with pickups over the past several months, just all these people wanting these over 30 players that have short track records, seemingly demanding un worldy figures and especially, falling for rubbish by that hype machine Boras.

        Next thing you know some will be listening to whatever rubbish Boras decides to spin about Varitek being worth 4/48m again, solely due to his “intangibles”…

        “IF” Boston does find some spare coinage lying about this off season, of Werth-Crawford, Crawford would be a far better sign anyway as that would leave them open to moving Ellsbury at some point in time later on this year, next year, whatever with Crawford giving the team some speed in the lineup, even if CC costs them a bit more.

        Next season Boston can pick up a SUPER bat anyway with Pujols, Gonzalez, Fielder, no reason to take a 80-100m super risk this year when they opted out of the same risky move last year with Bay, maybe look for a 1 year fix via FA, LaRoche, Burrell being bargain basement types, or trade with Washington and Willingham even that Epstein has always liked if the price would be right, but please no more ultra risky moves when it is not an emergency.

        • Paying for Crawford to watch balls bounce of the Green Monster rather than be able to chase them down is not gonna result in good value either.

          • johnsilver 5 years ago

            If you read the post, I was not necessarily advocating the signing of Crawford, just that IMO he is a far better pickup *IF* Boston signs one of the two being Crawford-Werth, my choice would be neither and a one year pickup via a lower budgeted FA/trade. My personal favorite being Willingham if he could be gotten from Washington reasonably.

          • The Hammer really would be the ideal pickup especially as a RH in Fenway for the obvious reasons…unfortunately reasonable and Rizzo don’t seem to exist.

          • cubfan4life 5 years ago

            Williingham would be a solid pickup. However they wont trade him and he is coming of an injury. If they want to bring in a Corner OF through a trade here are a couple different names that might be available. Corey Hart, Carlos Quentin, Juan Rivera, and Matt Diaz. Out of all those Hart would be my choice. He plays solid defense, can hit for power, and run a little bit. Could be a 30/100 guy in Fenway.

    • PookieGonzales 5 years ago

      Yep i agree with you about the evil empire stuff. Any sox fan who is angry at the yankees for spending to much is just ridiculous.

      • Sawksfan 5 years ago

        Eh, yeah the Sox spend more than most teams, that I’ll agree with you. However, last 5 year average: Boston $129M, New York $200M. That’s a big difference. So I guess I’m ridiculous.

        • PookieGonzales 5 years ago

          Not really. We have the money to spend close to them, like we showed last year. The yankees have a really rich owner with lots of revenue. We have a sightly not as rich owner with a little less revenue….. I’m just not willing to complain.

          • I am pretty sure John Henry has a higher net worth than the Steinbreinners. Not positive, but I think I remember reading that.

            The revenues are vastly different between the two teams though. The last season I could find data for was 2008 (prior to the New Stadium) and the Yanks had revenue of $375M compared to $269 for the Sox.

            Add in the extra revenue from YES and the new Stadium and the difference is likely much much larger now.

          • Dauger 5 years ago

            I am sure the revenue is much higher with the YES network. Does Boston have a network? If not why not? George built an empire the blue prints are there, other owners can copy them.

            Correct me if I am wrong but I think the richest owner is the Reds owner. Not 100% on that.

        • Dauger 5 years ago

          Are you still whining about this? Lets go year by year and see where each team ranks on free agents.
          Once again Boston does the same things the Yankees do. It isn’t better or more noble when you guys do it. It’s baseball. Let it go.

          • Sawksfan 5 years ago

            Oh look who it is, my favorite Yankee troll err stalker.

            Still waiting for you to disprove my earlier posts sweetheart. LOL

          • Dauger 5 years ago

            LOL!! Trying to change the subject as quick as you can. Stay on topic.

          • cubfan4life 5 years ago

            All you have to do is look at the numbers. Since ’04 NY avg payroll 200.1M. Boston 133.8. Ill even do the math for ya. Thats 66.3M on average per year.
            Thats bigger than the ENTIRE PAYROLL for 7 teams and within 10M of 5 more. Out of those the Reds, Rays and AL Champ Rangers all made the playoffs. And if not for Minnesota spending 32M more than the previous year they would be on this list as well.

          • Dauger 5 years ago

            WOW! A Cubs fan complaining about payroll is just about as silly as a Sox fan complaining. Lets take a look at 2010’s payroll number. Cubs $146,859,000.00.
            3rd highest in baseball. Well above the average. So your reasoning this is completely unfair to 27 other teams. So I say when your team gets their spending in line you can whine about others.

            You guys are just as guilty as the Yankees in spending more on payroll than others. I think the real problem is envy. Not only of the championships, but also of the empire George built

          • cubfan4life 5 years ago

            Seriously? youre going to bring up the cubs as youre big comeback.

            OK then.

            Yes Chicago’s payroll according to Cots this year was 144M.
            And since 08 they have been over 100M. 2008-118M, 2009-134M, and 2010-144M.
            Those are the ONLY 3 years that they have spent more than 100M on payroll.

            Now lets look at your penny-pinching Yankees (heres a hint, thats sarcasm)

            2008-209M, 2009-201M, and 2010-213M. And those werent even the first time that they spent more than 200M in a year. You can go back to 2005 for that one

            Im not saying that other teams dont spend a lot of money.

            But NY fans really shouldnt talk about other teams spending 143M on one year and 3 years over 100M when they continually spend over 200M.

            You cannot spend an average of 200.1M over the past 7 years and then criticize other teams for spending 50M+ LESS than them.

            And as far as envy. If it takes us spending a total of 423.5 MILLION dollars on 3 free agents and BUYING A WS CHAMPIONSHIP then i dont want it.

            George was a great business man, but the Yankees are more of whats wrong with baseball and not whats right about it.

          • Dauger 5 years ago

            Lots of jealous comments here. So let me understand your complaint here. You are upset because of the Yankees spending more than other teams. However its ok for the Cubs to outspend other teams and be well above the average payroll. Doesnt make sense. Ever hear of the saying People in glass houses….?

            Free agent spemding did the Yankees actually spend 423 million in one offseason or are those contracts to replace expiring contracts of other players and will be paid out over multiple years.

            I noticed when you were throwing out all your numbers you left some out. I assume you were upset when the Cubs spent over 214 mil on new free agents 298mil on all their free agents in 2006 more than every teams payroll in baseball. Way more than the Yankees free agent signed as well. Oh wait bad if the Yankees do it ok if others do it. ENVY ENVY ENVY

            Oh I almost forgot your silly little comment about not wanting a championship. How long are you boycotting the Cubs because of the out of control free agent spending by the Cubs. Let me tell you the answer you arent and you didnt. You rooted for them and hoped they would win the WS. (Even though thats a waste of time since the Cubs cant win anything)

            Again when your team gets their spending under control you can complain about others.

          • Sawksfan 5 years ago

            Oh look who it is, my favorite Yankee troll err stalker.

            Still waiting for you to disprove my earlier posts sweetheart. LOL

    • This makes as much sense as saying if the Yankees sign Carl Crawford it would be an admission that letting Johnny Damon go was a mistake. Bay was awful last season, and if they can replace him with a superior player (Werth), I think it proves it was the absolute right move. I thought it was generally accepted Bay was overpaid by the Mets.

      • Slopeboy 5 years ago

        Bay and Werth are just about the same age, play similar defense, the lifetime stats are very similar and Bay’s last year with the Red Sox was good.There’s no real big upside between the two. Damon’s defense was non-existent his last few years in NY, he’s older, does not posess nearly the same speed as Crawford. And most important, Crawford is a good number of years younger. In other words, Crawford’s upside is way more than Damon’s.
        What makes little sense is your poor attempt to spin the posting in another direction.

        • ‘similar defense’? Werth is a lot better in the field than Bay. He plays Right Field compared to Left Field as well.

          • Slopeboy 5 years ago

            Werth is not all the much better than Bay. He’s faster and has a bit better arm, but it’s not as if Werth runs rings around Bay’s fielding. Be honest, not a front runner.

    • EarlyMorningBoxscore 5 years ago

      I do not think it would be Theo covering a mistake. If anything I think the Mets made the mistake of signing him to a larger contract. He had an injury plagued season in which he only played 95 games. Granted the injury was not any of the health concerns the Sox had he still was injured. The Sox signing Werth I agree with brian would be the Sox signing a better player. Who knows maybe this was their plan and all along they liked Werth better than Bay and knew he would hit free agency. So in not resigning Bay last off season is kept a spot open for Werth.

      • Slopeboy 5 years ago

        I believe signing Crawford would be better than Werth. But if they don’t sign him and come up with Werth instead, for more than they would have paid Bay, Werth better be lights out in order to justify the move.
        Red Sox fans should not have any gripes about Bay’s performance during his time there.
        As for playing for the Mets, no one could have predicted his maladjustment to a bigger park and his crashing into the wall. This coming year should give a better indication as to where he stands.

        • EarlyMorningBoxscore 5 years ago

          I am a huge Sox fan and no gripes here on how Bay played. Bay played well in Boston in being the first LF since Manny. I will give him all the credit in the world. I like Crawford, but I just feel like Crawford signs with the Angels, and that the Sox miss out on him. Therefore the next best thing being Werth. Regardless the Sox need an outfielder. Hopefully Ells will be back healthy, Drew will be Drew, and that leaves another spot. I do not think Cameron is an everyday player anymore, and Kalish is a good prospect but I think he is better suited to replace Drew after this season.

          • DodgerBlue83 5 years ago

            How can everyone say that Bay and Werth are similar defensively, one is a LF with a career -8.0 UZR/150 and the other is a RF with a career uzr/150 of 10.3. In other words one of these two is way above average playing a harder position.

    • Yeah, it’s pretty evil to want to improve your team and plug the holes in your defense/power bats/and so forth.

      Man, I can’t think of any team except one who would want to do that.

      Are you kidding me.

    • Sawksfan 5 years ago

      What is the alternative? Theo ties his hands and says “whoops I missed out on Bay, I better not make any moves that could improve the team.” No, of course not. Do you think these GM’s look at the big picture by 1 season at a time? Of course not, Theo and any other GM in the game has lineups, players, FA mapped out 5+ years in advance. Theo let Bay walk last year knowing that Werth/CC are available now, just like Beltre will walk because Gonzo/Fielder will be available next year (or sooner).

  7. I wonder whos agents Towers is calling? cough cough (Paul Konerko, Rafael Soriono)

  8. Yankees579 5 years ago

    I like berkman..

    And I still don’t like lee but oh well lol

    • i see lee good but not for 5 yrs at his age berkman goes good with the rangers or white sox to me

    • PookieGonzales 5 years ago

      Dude you need lee. Think about the rotation after C.C.. It’s really thin assumming pettiet commes back.

      • Yankees579 5 years ago

        After that smirk he made against us during the 2009 WS, I hated him.. I hope we find an alternative… But you’re right we do need him thanks to aj n Javier..

        • PookieGonzales 5 years ago

          I could see that. Kind of how I STILL can’t stand lackey.

  9. slider32 5 years ago

    I don’t think Crawford or Werth want to play in Boston. They both will play on the west coast along with Beltre.

    • cubfan4life 5 years ago

      Out of all 3 i think the only one that Boston has a shot at is Werth and i would say that it would take them overpaying to get him.

      Crawford ends up in Cali. Either SF or Anaheim.
      Beltre is kind of a wildcard. I could name 7 teams where he could end up since he really hasnt mentioned anything about preferences. Anaheim, LA, Boston, Baltimore, Oakland, St. Louis, Chicago (AL). Im not saying that all these teams would be interested just that they all have a need at 3B. And that isnt including a team like Arizona who could sign him and trade Reynolds or the teams that you automatically eliminate like Cleveland, Florida, San Diego, and Kansas City.

      • licky_boomboom_down 5 years ago

        Why do you think Crawford’s going to end up in California? If anything, Beltre will end up on the West Coast. He’s stated many times about his desire to be close to his family and he prefers the weather. Crawford has given no indication himself about where he wants to play. Same with Werth.
        Just because you have a hunch, doesn’t mean it’s right. I bet both Crawford and Werth go where the money is.

        • Sawksfan 5 years ago

          Some people think because Torii Hunter had CC’s locker next to his at the AS Game, and Hunter is doing some recruiting, CC will end up w/ Angels. Someone else reported that since CC has played against Boston and NYY, it’ll be hard for him to play FOR them. I think that’s weaker reasoning. Noone knows how CC feels about that. Werth and CC will have some good opportunities presented to say the least. I agree, Beltre will be a better bet to end up with Angels as family is on West Coast and his family just welcomed a new addition. There will be more desire for him to stay closer to home IMO.

    • chowdah219 5 years ago

      just wondering..what gives you that impression? did you read something somewhere or is it just a hunch?

  10. monty4aloha 5 years ago

    Someone is going to score big with Berkman… just watch I think he will be a >320avg 35 HR !00 plus Rbi next year.. a lot of times when great players have something to prove there talent comes out…

  11. As someone who has been married for over 12 years, I can tell you without hesitation that Mrs. Lee is going to have a say where she and her family reside. Cliff will get an earful from his wife regarding the behavior of certain fans in NY to the point where he might sign with another team if they are able to match the money the Yanks offer. I see him going back to Texas or signing with the Nationals. I dare anyone who is married to try to disagree with me here…

    • Yankees579 5 years ago

      She should be glad we didn’t do more.

      That’s what u get for making a smirk when the Yankees hit a popup.. I never forgot that 09..

      And I’m glad we treated his wife that way. He needs to EARN our respect. Yankees respect isn’t given. ITS EARNED. ask cc.

      • PookieGonzales 5 years ago

        Dude thats not cool man. Just because he smirks in a baseball game(and i really dont remember any smirking) does not give you the right to be glad the people acted cruely toward a innocent women. They threw cups of beer and yelled things no one wants to hear at her. Is that right? No. There is no debate. You talks about respect are completely off base and have nothing to do with anything. Humans beings no matter who they’re married to all deserve basic respect. What they did is illiegal anyway and if she knew who they were she could press charges. Another thing, by your thinking the yankees need to EARN respect as well by not treating people who have not wronged them and any way badly. Their fans really let them down on this one.

  12. Yankees579 5 years ago

    PLZ DO NOT GET JAYSON WERTH! of anything.. I would encourage them to sign Crawford, and trade granderson + minors for a marquee pitcher.An move Gardner to center, and give Crawford LF.. and swish-meister RF. he improved his fielding + contact.

  13. cubfan4life 5 years ago

    But seriously though, if they dont get Lee what do they do? You have to go down a long way to get to the 2nd best SP who may just be Carl Pavano. The trade market is not exactly teeming with guys and any team would likely ask for Montero as the centerpiece of any deal.

    Granted they won 95 games with AJ Burnett, Javy Vasquez, and Andy Pettitte on the shelf for 2 months. CC is a horse but can you really count on Phil Hughes to repeat his season especially when you take into consideration that he threw 176.1 innings this year and when you add up his first 3 yrs his innings total was 192.2. He almost doubled his total in one year? Plus he just looked tired and flat in september and october.

    They have to get help in the rotation. CC and the offense is great. But he cant do it alone

  14. Sawksfan 5 years ago

    Not a chance. Sox spend a fair amount but when you look up bloated payroll, you see New York Yankees. You can not argue that. I like how Yankee fans try to spin it, saying “Boston is only 10% behind”. Well that 10% is the equivalent of 2 MLB teams. LOL I’m not trying to start a pissing match, but there’s no comparison.

  15. The_Silver_Stacker 5 years ago

    doubled innings total? he was at about 146 last year

  16. The_Silver_Stacker 5 years ago

    “fair amount” lol funniest comment of the day

  17. Dauger 5 years ago

    Is it unfair that Bostons payroll is 4x the amount of the Pirates? Is it fair that you guys outspend every other team in baseball except the Yankees. Is it fair that you guys outspend the Pirates As and Padres combined with 40 mil left over? Get your spending under control then you can complain about ours.

  18. cubfan4life 5 years ago

    According to Baseball reference he logged 176.1 innings last year. not quite doubling but close.

  19. cubfan4life 5 years ago

    Im not a Boston fan or anything but all you have to do is compare the 2 teams.
    Just going back 7 years to 2004 the Yankees average payroll is 200.1M while Boston’s is 133.8M. Thats a difference of 86.3M on average per year. Idk exactly how many teams but that is more than the entire payroll of most likely two-thirds of MLB.

    When it comes to spending (overspending) there is no comparison to the Yankees. Yeah other teams Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia, The Mets spend a lot. But NO ONE is even in the same league in spending as the Yankees.

  20. Sawksfan 5 years ago

    I take it NYY4288 is a Yankee fan. I rest my case.

    I agree with your stats cubsfan. Yes, teams like Boston, Chicago, Philly, Mets spend more than Florida, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Oakland, ect. I don’t know why some Yankee fans try to defend the $200M plus payroll and make excuses. There is no comparison.

  21. Sawksfan 5 years ago

    So you point to the Red Sox 4x the Pirates, but what does that say about the Yankees at 7x haha Oh, so yeah, the Red Sox had 2nd highest in 2010, so of course by your rationale it’s been this way forever.

    Your last point says it: “get your spending under control then you can complain about ours” You speak the truth Troll.

  22. Dauger 5 years ago

    Its actually closer to 6x. Who said anything about forever? I thought we were talking about recently. Not back when the Blue Jays had the highest payroll or the Reds.

    I find you very amusing you are the pot calling the kettle black and when it gets pointed out you start your name calling or changing the subject.

    Quit your whining 3rd place in the AL east aint so bad for the Red Sox. Of course if youre a Yankee or fan thats a complete failure.

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