Twins Win Bidding For Nishioka

The Twins won the bidding for Japanese infielder Tsuyoshi Nishioka, according to Joe Christensen of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune. Christensen hears that the Twins won with a $5MM bid, but a source estimated to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports that the Twins bid roughly $5.3MM (Twitter link). The Twins now have 30 days to work out an agreement with the 26-year-old. If the sides do not reach an agreement, the Chiba Lotte Marines will not receive the posting fee.

The GiantsDodgers, and Cardinals reportedly had some interest in Nishioka and the Red Sox submitted a bid in the mid-$2MM range, according to Rob Bradford of WEEI.com. Last year, the switch-hitter batted .346 with 22 steals and 206 hits. ESPN.com's Keith Law and Patrick Newman of FanGraphs recently explained Nishioka's game in more detail.

The Twins' middle infield is in flux. They could consider trading non-tender candidate J.J. Hardy and Orlando Hudson is a free agent. Hudson could accept the team's offer of arbitration and return to Minnesota on a one-year deal or decline in search for a multi-year deal on the open market. 


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102 Comments on "Twins Win Bidding For Nishioka"


Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Cool. Good for them…

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, I’m really about this! Hopefully he doesn’t ask for Bernard Gilkey money.

But I’m extremely happy this!!!! Yes!!!!!!

mauerfan
4 years 9 months ago

MN made a good move I’m assuming then?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Absolutely. From watching video, scouting reports, and other things, I can tell you that this is perfect. He will be an absolute fantastic number 2 or number 9 hitter, and will be great defensively at 2B. He’s the perfect Twins player and I can’t wait to see him play this season!

ze3
4 years 9 months ago

Dude, you totally called the Twins winning the bid. I tip my hat off to you, sir.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Thanks dude. Just doing the best I can.

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

so since they want to see if Alexi Casilla can be a starter or not, does this mean that Hardy is nontendered? i think his decent second half of the season will draw some interest, especially if he also takes on a utility role.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

St. Louis Cardinals.

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

how much of an upgrade is he over Ryan though. Offensively, he has more upside but defensively, ryan is superior. Hardy will cost 5million or more as well. idk if the risk/reward is enough. if he came cheaper, than sure i’d take the gamble.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

First of all Ferraridude, I’m confused. Were you talking about Hardy or casilla? I think Hardy would be an upgrade over Ryan because of going back to the NL and his power numbers, but Casilla has speed. Not sure

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

i was referring to Hardy. Casilla doesn’t interest me at all.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah I thought you were. And I think Hardy would actually make a lot of sense for the Cards. I like the idea of him going back to the NL and batting 7th or 6th.

Drew
4 years 9 months ago

And I’d hardly call Hardy defensively inferior. Guy is a stud with the glove.

twins33
4 years 9 months ago

That would be extremely stupid of them, but it’s definitely possible. Hopefully they’ll go with Hardy & Yoshi. Casilla can be utility, which he did well last year.

I think any option that involves getting rid of Hardy is the absolute wrong move. He’s great defensively and he can hit when he’s healthy, which he showed last year.

Mauerneau
4 years 9 months ago

No way they let hardy walk. If they complete a deal with Nishioka, it will be him at 2nd, Hardy at short, and Casilla in a utility role. Hudson will decline and sign elsewhere.

mauerfan
4 years 9 months ago

Someone give me the run down about this guy. Obviously he can hit in Japan but will he be able to bring that to the US? How’s his defense? Does he have a good arm?

4 years 9 months ago

There are “rundowns” about Nishioka all over the internet. I get the MLBTR is convenient, but just a google search would tell you all you need to know as far as scouting reports go.

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

think chone figgins type.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I like to think of him as a better version of Figgins with a ton more gap power.

jwredsox
4 years 9 months ago

I’d assume good contact, little power, decent speed (22/33 in SBs in Japan). On defense I’ve read great range but a below average arm. He had an extensive injury history prior to his 2010 season where he put up a slash line of 346/.423/.482 but it was backed with a .389 BABIP. His previous career best slash line was .300/.366/.463 in Japan.

mauerfan
4 years 9 months ago

Hmm, I don’t know what to think right now. The Twins have a good scouting department so they must have seen something in him that they like.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

He’s the perfect Twins type of player.

mauerfan
4 years 9 months ago

Where do you think he’ll hit?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

2nd behind Spanny

PookieGonzales
4 years 9 months ago

I think he would be a ideal number 2 hitter. We’ll see where gardinhire(spelling) puts him.

bonestock94
4 years 9 months ago

I’ll be curious to see if he can hack it as more than a utility in the MLB.

stlcardsfan10
4 years 9 months ago

wow

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

only 5.3million? really? ugh..cardinals couldn’t have offered that!? sigh…. i guess i get to look forward to another season of Aaron Miles type players.

mauerfan
4 years 9 months ago

Do you think MN made a good move?

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

at a 5million posting fee plus about a 15-20million dollar contract, this isn’t a gigantic investment. I think its a medium risk/medium reward move. i like it mostly because of how thin the SS/2b market is.

jwredsox
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah the posting fee was a lot less then I thought it would be.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

And hopefully this didn’t happen:

Iwakuma: Whatever the posting fee is, demand as much money as possible like I did.
Nishioka: Sounds good.

I’m pretty sure that they have different agents, so it could very well end up that the Twins spend less money for higher value and talent.

4 years 9 months ago

My guess is Hardy is tendered, then traded. SS market is incredibly thin and Hardy has a ton of value defensively and has above average offensive potential if he can stay on the field. Could net a reliever or two for the Twins.

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

i don’t think he would bring much back. His 2010 was injury filled and not that productive, but the upside is still their i guess. if he is tendered, that means he gets a raise on his 5million salary. my guess is in the 6.5million range. He very well could and should be non tendered. All he would bring back anyways is some fringe minor leaguers, no one wants to give any good relievers for JJ Hardy for 1 season off a down year..doesn’t make much sense.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I wonder if the Yankees will take a look at J.J. Hardy.

Ian_Smell
4 years 9 months ago

I would love for the Pirates to get Hardy if he were made available.

jwredsox
4 years 9 months ago

I hear he is looking for a Barry Zito type contract

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

thats crazy. He’s obviously looking for Derek Jeter money.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I heard Gary Matthews Jr.

melonis_rex
4 years 9 months ago

Forget that, an A-Rod contract.

Gumby65
4 years 9 months ago

A Barry Zito contract… does that mean he wouldn’t have to produce for the first 2 1/2 years of it?

JohnnyHamer
4 years 9 months ago

Glad to see the Twins making moves. Can they go ahead and send us Hardy now…

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

who is us?

Gumby65
4 years 9 months ago

The GM of the “unknown team” frequently mentioned on MLBTR?

CaseyBlakeDeWitt
4 years 9 months ago

Wow. Can’t remember who it was, but someone on this site called this yesterday, when he saw that someone working for the Minnesota newspaper was tweeting all the info.

twins33
4 years 9 months ago

That was the Spandemonium guy. Really, Joe C from the local newspaper was the only one who was ever talking about this from the beginning. I don’t think any other teams writers said a thing. And most of the other teams seemed to have only a very small interest. I could have sworn that speculation was that only the Red Sox and Twins actually bid, but I have no clue if that’s true. So if it is, they had a 50/50 shot.

It’s not surprising really, the very low bid is surprising to me.

jeff7602
4 years 9 months ago

I’m encouraged that the Twins won the posting bid, but I’m not going to get excited until he signs a contract. I could totally see a Japanese player say “No way I’m going to Minnesota!”

4 years 9 months ago

Are his options Minnesota and back to Japan? If he doesn’t want to come to the Twins, do other teams have a shot at him or do they have to wait until he hits free agency in Japan?

melonis_rex
4 years 9 months ago

His options for next year are Minnesota and Japan. I don’t know his IFA status.

safari_punch
4 years 9 months ago

Maybe he wants to go to the Mall of America?

twins33
4 years 9 months ago

They must have lied their butts off and said it was great then!

SteelCityResident13
4 years 9 months ago

Dear Pirates, JJ Hardy might become available. He will also probably come cheap. There is a good opportunity that Evan Meek alone can get JJ away from the Twins. If not, keep Meek, pacakge together some minor league players and get JJ Hardy to the Buccos. Cedeno, I wish I could say I enjoy watching you play. The truth is I hate watching you game after game. You look like you are 12 years old and you have not become the player you should have been. Neal, get the deal done with the twins. If you are serious about turning the team around, dealing for JJ would give the buccos a great return on the small investment that will be required.

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

i’d say Evan Meek is worth more than JJ. maybe Joel hanrahan as a centerpiece.

4 years 9 months ago

No way the Pirates should give up either Meek or Hanrahan for Hardy, they are both worth far more than he is. This isn’t Hardy from a couple of years ago, he is not worth nearly as much as he used to be.

melonis_rex
4 years 9 months ago

Does his agent have Twitter. Could be some comedic relief, ala Hisashi Iwakuma/Don Nomura.

4 years 9 months ago

yankees should have bid on him instead of dealing with jeter

BradyAndersonsSideburns
4 years 9 months ago

Hardy to the O’s…make it happen

penpaper
4 years 9 months ago

So how far is this guy from playing in the Twin City? I know he is THE single season BA champ in NPL history but, realistically, can he come in just like that without going to the minors?

twins33
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t know if he’ll be ready. If he’s going to play 2B then the only other option we have is Casilla. I think he can be on Casilla’s level right away, but that’s without knowing whether good Casilla or dumb Casilla will show up.

If signed, he is basically the top “2B prospect” we have, immediately. Or as close as you can get to being the top.

4 years 9 months ago

If this Nishioka kid is a stud, like he looks like on video, then just think of what the infield could look like in 2012 or 2013 with Miguel Sano and him.

nick1538
4 years 9 months ago

You won’t see Sano until 2014-2016

4 years 9 months ago

I can see him being ready for the 2013 season. Sano wanted to be in the MLB when he was 18 but Twins said go through a couple years in minors first.

4 years 9 months ago

I can see him being ready for the 2013 season. Sano wanted to be in the MLB when he was 18 but Twins said go through a couple years in minors first.

twins33
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t know if he’ll be ready. If he’s going to play 2B then the only other option we have is Casilla. I think he can be on Casilla’s level right away, but that’s without knowing whether good Casilla or dumb Casilla will show up.

If signed, he is basically the top “2B prospect” we have, immediately. Or as close as you can get to being the top.

4 years 9 months ago

Hardy to the Giants!

4 years 9 months ago

Makes sense. For Affeldt+ maybe

4 years 9 months ago

!!

rico7961
4 years 9 months ago

Why would the Twins even consider trading Hardy. If they sign Nishioka, that gives them a pretty solid trio of middle infielders. With Hardy being the starting ss and the other 2 battling for the starting 2nd base job. It also gives you pretty good versatility if someone gets injured. Unless someone blows them away with an offer for Hardy the Twins should definitely keep Hardy. With Punto and Hudson off the books the payroll ramifications should’nt be much worse than equal to last year. Which should be affordable to the Twins. Plus your other utility inf can be a minimum salaried player. Trading Hardy IMO just creates a very big hole in our lineup and our infield.

Drew
4 years 9 months ago

The problem is, Hudson isn’t technically “off the books” yet. He could still technically accept arbitration (although the rumor is that there was an unspoken agreement that he’ll turn it down).

If he does shock us and accept, we’re looking at FOUR serviceable MI. Then we might be looking at Nishioka at short and Hudson back at second.

This picture gets a WHOLE lot clearer if Hudson departs as planned.

dc21892
4 years 9 months ago

Not too bad of a price to pay. This could be a win win for the Twins if they can strike a deal with him. He has the potential to solidify their SS need and or 2nd base for a long time to come, and he can create and Japanese fan base for the Twins. That will draw more people to them and help them become a bigger market.