Adrian Gonzalez Trade Falls Through

SUNDAY, 5:17pm: The Red Sox still have not given up on pulling off a deal for Gonzalez and there remains a chance that they could do a trade without agreeing to an extension, tweets Heyman.

2:45pm: Odds are that Gonzalez won't wind up with the Red Sox, a source tells Morosi (via Twitter), though the reporter cautions that this could change quickly.  Meanwhile, a rival executive told Rosenthal (via Twitter) that the possibility of a deal happening won't die unless the Red Sox turn around and sign Adrian Beltre.  The third baseman may have lost a suitor this afternoon as it seems that the A's will turn their attention elsewhere.

2:19pm: The possibility of Gonzalez going to Boston isn't dead yet, a source tells Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (via Twitter).

2:00pm: Late Thursday, a Padres source indicated that the club wouldn't field more offers for Gonzalez if the deal with Boston didn't work out, Heyman tweets. 

1:56pm: Even though the window is closed for an extension, the two teams can still work out a deal, tweets Rosenthal.

1:43pm: The deal fell through, a source tells Jon Heyman of SI (via Twitter).

1:32pm: Boston might be okay with just laying out parameters with Gonzalez and finalizing a deal during Spring Training if the slugger is healthy, says Joel Sherman of the New York Post (via Twitter).

1:13pm: The BoSox could still make the deal without an extension, provided that the parameters are close, Heyman tweets.  Going into overtime may not be an issue as the league understands the significance of the player and the situation, Heyman adds (via Twitter).

1:07pm: As of a couple of minutes before the 1pm CST (2pm EST) deadline, both sides were at a standstill, tweets Alex Speier of WEEI.

12:41pm: Gonzalez's camp doesn't want to discuss an extension unless it happens now, tweets Dan Hayes of the North County Times.  He adds that this could be a sticking point in the talks.

12:29pm: Unsurprisingly, there is a strong sense in the Gonzalez talks that the BoSox won't make the trade unless there is an understanding that a deal can be reached, Buster Olney of ESPN tweets.  The negotiating deadline is at 1pm CST.

10:11am: CSNNE.com's Sean McAdam and Dan Hayes of the North County Times provide conflicting updates: McAdam tweets that there's a "good feeling" following talks that continued through the night. On the other hand, Hayes tweets that the two sides are at something of an impasse, and there's a chance the trade won't happen. The negotiating deadline is now less than three hours away.

8:26am: Heyman (Twitter link) hears that teams discussing Gonzalez with the Padres told San Diego they only wanted to talk parameters for an extension because of the slugger's shoulder issue. As Alex Speier of WEEI.com explains, however, the surgically repaired shoulder isn't the only reason it might make sense to postpone an official extension – the Red Sox could save millions in luxury taxes by waiting until the season begins to ink a deal.

Meanwhile, an AL executive tells Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe that he thinks Gonzalez is seeking an eight-year contract worth about $160MM. Cafardo suggests that, while the Sox may not go that high, a compromise seems likely. The negotiating window closes in just a few hours, so we should get some resolution soon.

SATURDAY, 10:34pm: The Red Sox suggested a six-year contract at some point during the negotiations according to Heyman (Twitter links), but they don't want to do a contract on par with Mark Teixeira's eight year, $180MM pact.

9:26pm: Heyman tweets that the Red Sox might be willing to make the trade without signing Gonzalez to an extension. They might actually prefer to just talk about contract parameters now, then see how his surgically repaired shoulder holds up in Spring Training. In the off chance that the trade does not happen, the Padres would keep Gonzalez and not field offers.

8:41pm: In a pair of tweets, SI.com's Jon Heyman says that the two sides are optimistic about reaching a deal before tomorrow's deadline. He adds that even though Gonzalez, David Ortiz, and J.D. Drew are all left-handed hitters, the Red Sox would not be discouraged from pursuing Carl Crawford, another lefty bat.

7:22pm: Nick Cafardo of The Boston Globe reports that the two sides have not yet reached an agreement, but they're still trying. He notes that if they can't work out a contract, the Red Sox could still choose to go forward with the trade if they feel they've made enough progress and are confident they could extend Gonzalez in the future.

5:21pm: With all of the players agreed to and the physical passed, the only thing left before the Adrian Gonzalez trade can be made official is a new contract. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports (via Twitter) that the first baseman and his new team won't have very long to negotiate; the deadline is 2pm ET on Sunday.

Earlier today we heard that Gonzalez was seeking a Ryan Howard-like contract, and in the past a deal on par with Mark Teixeira's has been rumored


956 Responses to Adrian Gonzalez Trade Falls Through Leave a Reply

  1. BoSoxSam 5 years ago

    Olney tweets that its fair for A-Gon to get Teixeira, and could get a lot of bidders if he played out the year in SD.

    Come on Boston….swallow your pride a bit here, and just finish the job while you’ve got the chance.

  2. Encarnacion's Parrot 5 years ago

    Nothing would make me smile more than Anthopoulos swooping in with a lesser package of prospects and nabbing Gonzo after this.

    • Meh.. I’d rather keep Drabek than having A-Gon for a year.

      • Encarnacion's Parrot 5 years ago

        Well, if the Jays could work out an extension I’d be happy about it as long as the Jays don’t give up Snider. Drabek I’m fine with.

    • i miss brendan ryan's mustache 5 years ago

      was just about to post the same thing.. that’d make a real interesting AL East race

  3. jwsox 5 years ago

    i cant believe boston wont offer ADRIAN GONZO a tex deal but they gave lackey the burnett deal…..adrian is young left handed tons of power great obp and the second best D for a 1st basemen..give him the 8 yrs 180 and move him to DH eventually

    • YODA777 5 years ago

      Move him to DH eventually? The guy is a Gold Glove 1st baseman for Gawd sakes. He would only be 36 after an 8 year contract.

      • Edge8602 5 years ago

        gold gloves are meaningless.

        In 2010: AGon was 8th Best Fielding Firstbasemen
        in 2009: 2nd
        2008: 15th
        2007: 15th
        2006: 3rd(significantly behind Pujols for best and a decent margin behind 2nd)

        So out of actual stat driven data, he’s been the 2nd best 1st basemen 1 time, outside the top 8 3 times. Basically he’s your average defender that gets a lot of recognition for no reason, basically, JUST like mark teixeira, another 1st basemen that doesn’t make many errors but won’t get to many balls either and when he can reach them its by diving which makes them look so spectacular compared to the actual range of motion they have.

  4. As a die hard Yankee fan, I hope this trade goes through. Call me crazy but, if the Sox can acquire A-gon maybe the rivalry will heat up again because the past couple of years the Yankee-Red Sox rivalry has just cooled off and kind of gotten boring. The new rivalries like (for the Yankees) Rays, Rangers just dont amount to the rivalry the Yankees-Red Sox have had, there has not been THAT much excitement about the rivalry.

    • jurassiccarl 5 years ago

      Appreciate the sentiment from you and respect your opinion. However, this thing is dead and it has been for a long time. John Henry will not allow Theo to give anyone 8 years and he especially won’t pay a Texeira contract to Gonzalez. Henry is a complete fool and has cost Boston yet another star player. The Steinbrenner family would have gotten this done. You’re lucky to have an ownership that is 100 % committed to your team.

      • dickylarue 5 years ago

        As someone who hates the Red Sox, I feel for their fans if this deal is truly dead. Theo did an amazing job getting the Padres to take that package for Gonzalez. It was truly a steal of a deal in my opinion and would give them the best 1b in the division since I don’t think Tex is quite the hitter that Gonzalez is.

        Seriously, I know I go after Red Sox guys all the time on here but this is a let down if true. It was a killer deal for Boston.

        • jurassiccarl 5 years ago

          yeah it’s crazy to have exclusive negotiating rights with the guy and not be able to get it done. It just has to do with the arrogance of the ownership group. Theo did his job by getting the trade done as far as players but when money comes up, it’s the owners who crush Sox fans hopes.

        • jurassiccarl 5 years ago

          yeah it’s crazy to have exclusive negotiating rights with the guy and not be able to get it done. It just has to do with the arrogance of the ownership group. Theo did his job by getting the trade done as far as players but when money comes up, it’s the owners who crush Sox fans hopes.

  5. $1519287 5 years ago

    Yes, the Mods are not liking all the personal attacks by everyone. This is supposed to be a fun place to discuss the game we love. Could you all leave the attacks out of it, personal attacks and attacks on fanbases.

    Also, please refrain from using discouraged words. If you even think that a word might be discouraged, please refrain from using it.

    Thanks

    • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

      Sounds good. I just thought it started a lot earlier than the post I saw deleted, so I was a bit confused. But you guys do what ya do.

      Honestly…I mostly thought maybe it was my computer freaking out and making things disappear. So whatever your rationale is sounds good, as long as its not my computers fault. 😀

  6. John LeClair 5 years ago

    I Wonder if any of this has to do with the Athletics pulling back their offer to Beltre?

  7. FNDomination 5 years ago

    If it doesn’t happen, I wouldn’t rib the Red Sox too hard. I am sure they have a very good reason for not pulling the trigger. That being said, I still think this deal happens.

    • jurassiccarl 5 years ago

      How would it still happen? He’s left Boston, his agent has said they are disapointed, and the Red Sox did not ask for a negotiating extension? I’m not arguing just wondering how you could think it will happen?

  8. dickylarue 5 years ago

    Color me surprised. The Red Sox absolutely robbed the Padres in the trade portion. I just can’t understand not offering him Tex’s deal. It’s the cost of doing business for an MVP 1b.

    I still don’t think this deal is dead and I can’t stand the Red Sox. How do you go back to your fans with Beltre after this? I know Beltre had a great season but he’s much more of risk in a long term deal based on his history.

    • Yastrzemski 5 years ago

      I don’t think the Padres were “robbed” in the least bit. I am surprised that they didn’t ask for at least one MLB-ready player in the deal.

      • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

        Oh yeah, Pads got a good return too. My opinion is just that Red Sox really didn’t end up losing anyone that hurt them. Almost the definition of a win-win trade in my opinion….until Boston couldn’t make the extension happen =

      • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

        Oh yeah, Pads got a good return too. My opinion is just that Red Sox really didn’t end up losing anyone that hurt them. Almost the definition of a win-win trade in my opinion….until Boston couldn’t make the extension happen =

    • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

      Agreed. This is a shocker, after the great trade they pulled, that they could get the extension done. I’m still hopeful they wake up and get it done, but who knows now…I’m just completely dumbfounded right now.

    • jurassiccarl 5 years ago

      Especially after you’ve now shown Beltre he wasn’t your first choice. The fans will be angry (as I am) but the ownership doesn’t care. John henry doesn’t see the disapointed faces, he just sees the dollar signs ge saved by not approving the deal.

    • Lars Chunks 5 years ago

      They didn’t rob anyone.. The Padres have little leverage in the situation considering there is zero change in re-signing him, he just had a shoulder operation, no one will give up prospects for a 1 year rental player, and there are only a few teams that can afford to pay him the huge extension required for forfeiting such a good package of prospects.

    • MaineSox 5 years ago

      I just don’t understand how they didn’t go into the negotiations expecting to give him a Tex type deal. That’s what he’s said it would take.

  9. Only real difference between Gonzalez and Tex is that Tex is a switch-hitter. But with the way Gonzo hits lefties, it’s pretty much moot, and I think that Gonzo is a better defender. He definitely deserves more than Howard and at least as much as Tex

  10. missyae 5 years ago

    This is how – Theo – “Adrian was always our first option and we are glad to have him back.” Reporter – “What happened with the other Adrian” – Theo – “Sorry we don’t have any more time for questions today.”

    • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

      Haha! If Theo did that, it might be enough for me to forgive him for all this. That would just be too priceless.

    • jurassiccarl 5 years ago

      You’re so right and that would be followed by a bunch of emails and tweets from John Henry that made no sense. Lucchio will then shoot his mouth off with something offensive and Tom Werner will throw Theo under the bus saying we’ll make more trades

  11. MB923 5 years ago

    Look on the bright side Red Sox fans, the last time you guys had a trade that basically went through but fell short in the end, you won the World Series.

    • jt24 5 years ago

      yeah and the time before they were almost stuck with A-rod nasty contract

      • MB923 5 years ago

        Was it mentioned how much Texas would pay A-Rod if the deal went through and he went to Boston? Because before the opt out, the Yankees were only playing A-Rod about $14 million a year while Texas was paying the remainder. That’s far from nasty for the Yankees.

        • jt24 5 years ago

          no i dont believe it was, but the sox would have sent manny to the rangers so presumabley they still would have been paying a lot

      • MB923 5 years ago

        Was it mentioned how much Texas would pay A-Rod if the deal went through and he went to Boston? Because before the opt out, the Yankees were only playing A-Rod about $14 million a year while Texas was paying the remainder. That’s far from nasty for the Yankees.

  12. MB923 5 years ago

    BSPN (No that’s not a misprint) hasn’t even said a word on this. When the Clilff Lee deal fell through for the Yankees, it was posted in seconds. When A-Gon was traded the other day, it was posted it seconds. This trade, while not officialy dead, is not done, it hasn’t even been said yet And it happened over an hour and a half agoBSPN article since the other day. Sources: Red Sox to obtain Gonzalez

    • MB923 5 years ago

      Now it’s posted but it’s only on the Boston ESPN page.

    • MB923 5 years ago

      Now it’s posted but it’s only on the Boston ESPN page.

    • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

      Cause nobody’s sure yet what to post instead, I think.

      • Sawksfan 5 years ago

        I agree, noone knows what’s going on except for the Red Sox, Padres’s and Gonzo’s reps.

  13. Olney tweets that the dodgers, angels, rangers, braves, orioles, and nats could be in on gonzalez in the offseason. Anybody see those teams beating 6/21?

    • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

      Angels maybe.

      • jurassiccarl 5 years ago

        Yes, all of them. He will never be a Boston Red Sox player. Boston had their chance and they blew it. Welcome back Casey Kelly, Anthony Rizzo, and Rey Fuentes. I hope you all have wonderful careers for the Boston Red Sox.

      • Yeah, I don’t know what they’d do with Morales though – I guess they could DH him or possibly move him to the OF. Gonzo may have walked away from his best offer.
        On the other hand, maybe Gonzo changed his mind after seeing the weather in Boston and will now sign for a SD discount. haha us padre fans can hope

        • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

          Yeah its tough even for the Angels. I think they’d be the ones really ready to spend for him, but the position jam-up makes that interesting as well.

          Haha, if Gonz doesn’t go Boston, SD is the next best place in my opinion 😛 Don’t really want to see a big AL competitor nab him, such as LAA or Texas.

      • Yeah, I don’t know what they’d do with Morales though – I guess they could DH him or possibly move him to the OF. Gonzo may have walked away from his best offer.
        On the other hand, maybe Gonzo changed his mind after seeing the weather in Boston and will now sign for a SD discount. haha us padre fans can hope

    • Dick Armada 5 years ago

      Why would the Angels be in on him when they have Kendry Morales?

  14. Guest 5 years ago

    so…… all that for nothing

  15. I have a huge problem with a team that makes over 300 mill a year b/c of their fans, then gets cheap when it comes the time to spend the money on quality players…….

    • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

      Every team does it.

      NY makes billions but “only” spends 250 million. Pirates earn more than they spend even. It’s called making a profit.

      Not saying I approve, just saying you need to think this through a bit.

      • and the Yankees are overpayers, I know, but at least when they are out for someone they don’t beat around the bush.

    • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

      Every team does it.

      NY makes billions but “only” spends 250 million. Pirates earn more than they spend even. It’s called making a profit.

      Not saying I approve, just saying you need to think this through a bit.

    • jurassiccarl 5 years ago

      Careful, no complaining. They will tell you to shut up like they did to me. Don’t you know we aren’t allowed to be disapointed because the ownership group brought us two world series. Nevermind ’04 was with Duquette’s players

      • I agree, the 2004 was pretty much all Dukes. And with the exception of Lowell and Becket, so was the 07 team. And Epstein wasn’t involved in that trade either. I`m trying to figure out how much has Epstein contributed to those to championship teams.

    • YODA777 5 years ago

      Dude, how do you think Padres fans feel? We voted for a spanking brand new downtown ballpark and our ownership group cant even have a payroll over $40 million lol.

  16. MB923 5 years ago

    Is it “illegal” or “a violation”, not sure what the proper term is, to do such negotiations over the phone instead of having to fly to meet?

    I’m sure there has to be signing involved, but nonetheless, it would make sense, if there’s no violation or something, to agree over the phone, and then go and sign papers. As it turns out, Adrian and his agent went to Boston for nothing.

    Not sure about the rest of you, but I’d be pissed if I had to fly over 3000 miles for nothing. (Not to mention 3000 miles back).

    • Dustroia15 5 years ago

      Nothing? He probably turned down a minimum of $120m

      • MB923 5 years ago

        I’m not talking about the amount offered as being “nothing”.

  17. jurassiccarl 5 years ago

    Go Celtics!!!

  18. sweetcaroline2011 5 years ago

    Cmon sox fans! Theres no way they did all of this and could possibly just giving up on the whole thing. He will be the red sox starting 1st basemen soon.

  19. I am still laughing at all the sox posts yesterday. “So we now have a lineup of 1B Adrian Gonzalez…….” LOL

    “The Gonzalez trade was a steal!!!” LOL—-In the future, if something is too good to be true, it probably is.

    So much for the “steal” I’m really relishing this now given most red sox fans feeling of entitlement to have adrian and joking that hoyer was still working for them. THIS IS GREAT!!!

  20. jurassiccarl 5 years ago

    Confirmation from Ian Browne @ mlb.com, Peter Gammons from MLB network, and Gonzalez agent to aol fanhouse. Deal is dead. There was simply no way the Red Sox were going to give up that prospect haul for one year of a guy the obviously felt they had no chance to sign long term. It is unfortunate.

  21. jurassiccarl 5 years ago

    Could’ve had 21 mil a year. Enjoy 6.2 mil in San Diego this year Adrian. You have a wonderful agent let me tell you.

    • dickylarue 5 years ago

      I think he’ll get 25 million a year as a free agent.

  22. jurassiccarl 5 years ago

    Could’ve had 21 mil a year. Enjoy 6.2 mil in San Diego this year Adrian. You have a wonderful agent let me tell you.

  23. Latrappe 5 years ago

    Talk about a ” the price is right losing horn” situation. You’re after a guy for more then a year and then, you refuse to pay him. Good job, Theo, you should have think about that BEFORE making the trade…

  24. Latrappe 5 years ago

    Talk about a ” the price is right losing horn” situation. You’re after a guy for more then a year and then, you refuse to pay him. Good job, Theo, you should have think about that BEFORE making the trade…

  25. missyae 5 years ago

    And the Nats sign Werth, I guess 7 years and we walked away offering 5 to A GONZ? Nice work Theo. That Sham Wow dude can’t sell this crap to the fans.

    • Yastrzemski 5 years ago

      The Nats can have Werth. I never liked that dude.

  26. You bet the Yankees will land one or two big free agents this offseason. Cliff Lee, Werth or Crawford. (And may trade for Greinke). Mind you, the Yankees at this point in time, are the best team in the League. The Sox, IMHO, will bring back Beltre and sign Werth in a best case scenario. Maybe the Rays won`t be as competitive this year, and management is counting on that. We´ll finish second in the division. Maybe, maybe, fight for a wild card, if everyone is healthy. Then get crushed in the playoffs.

  27. dickylarue 5 years ago

    I really think Boston overestimated what not having the Yankees as a legit bidder for Gonzalez as a free agent meant. I think they thought Gonzalez was just supposed to melt into their laps for what they figured was an offer they could live with since the Yankees will never be a bidder for him. Gonzalez and his agent must have some kind of inkling and assurance that if he hits the market, 8 years and 180 is the starting point. I also think Gonzalez is smartest to let Pujols set the market with his extension in St. Louis and then piggypack on that. The Red Sox looks like they tried to get a steal in the trade department and in the contract department and it backfired for now. I still don’t count them out of obtaining him unless I read Gammons or any other Boston writer start a greedy player campaign in regards to Gonzalez. Once that happens, you know the team has truly moved on.

    • Edge8602 5 years ago

      “I also think Gonzalez is smartest to let Pujols set the market with his extension in St. Louis and then piggypack on that. ”

      What if Pujols discounts himself to remain a Cardinal the rest of his career and then that would be stupid cause if Pujols signs for 10/180 or something…then Pujols is the most consistent good fielding 1b in the league and the consistently best hitter in the game…there is no way he’d get anywhere near that.

      • dickylarue 5 years ago

        I think Pujols wants to exceed Arod’s contract numbers or come close to it. I don’t see him discounting himself in any way. Gonzalez and Fielder want to use Pujols as a benchmark. Pujols can’t take less than the Texeria deal.

  28. Sawksfan 5 years ago

    Well, now that Werth is off the market (to the Nationals), V-Mart to the Tigers, what is Theo and company going to do? The dominos are falling now. Do they go hard after Crawford now or try to figure a deal with Gonzo?

    I don’t think this situation is over by a longshot, the extension window is closed but a deal done now or two weeks from now makes no difference.

    • Latrappe 5 years ago

      And you think that the Sox will give their best prospects for a ” maybe ” situation? Not happenning unless both side are very close.

      • Sawksfan 5 years ago

        I think they find a way to make the deal happen and Gonzo gets paid. For all the work over 4 days for it not to happen is ludicrous.

  29. jurassiccarl 5 years ago

    What an awful day. The entire offseason has fallen apart in a span of 3 hours. A-Gon=Gone, Werth=Gone, wouldn’t be surprised to see Lee and Crawford sign with the Yanks today.

  30. As a Sox fan I am very disappointed, BUT my GOD, unlike some of people here with the patience of a 5-yr old I’m willing to reserve judgement ’til the end of the offseason.

  31. John LeClair 5 years ago

    So… Let me get this straight .. A Small Market Team was willing to give a Slightly above average player 7 years probably 17ish Million a year, but the 2nd Biggest Ball Club in Baseball isn’t willing to give a SUPERSTAR Player 8 years at about 23 Million each. Okay that makes perfect sense.

    • also older, Werth is 3 years older than Gonzo….and HE gets 7 years….good for the Nats, they got the player they wanted. Kudos to them!

    • RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

      Tell me about it! I’m sick to my stomach over the Sox penny pinching with stars! Yet the Drews, Dice-K’s, and Lackeys get wheelbarrows of cash delivered to them! I’m sick of the fact that Boston is the only team that could make something easy sooo damned difficult! This is why we’re back chasing the damned Yankees again!

      • Gonzalez is not a superstar. He is vastly overrated from facing horrible pitching and being surrounded by idiots in his lineup. I bet he falls apart in Boston, can’t handle the pressure, and ends up out of baseball by 2013.

        Sorry, I just wanted to be as idiotic and out-of-line as a lot of posters on this thread.

  32. missyae 5 years ago

    I almost wish Beltre would have signed with the A’s just to see how much Theo could sweat at the next interview. The Yankees at least kept their players who could have left. We didn’t even stand pat with what we had. If Beltre leaves we end up replacing Victor and Beltre with Lowrie and Salty or maybe Pena and Salty. Plus we watch other teams get Lee, Crawford, Werth and eventually a guy we had finally gotten in a trade. The smartest person in Boston is John Lackey.

    • I bet Theo is looking into Russel Branyan. Let`s not despair.

    • John LeClair 5 years ago

      I don’t almost wish it, I 100% Wish it, come on Angels I want to see Theo Sweat!

  33. towney007 5 years ago

    Sean McAdam is saying the deal’s likely to still go through and to be honest, I’ve got no idea how the Red Sox wiggle out of pulling the trigger and taking the risk.

    For one, this is going to be a PR disaster that’s going to make Mark Texeira look like a bathtub fart. Dangling this in front of the fan’s faces and then not delivering isn’t going to go well.

    Second, it sets a terrible precedent for the organization heading forward, which is that they’re not a place where you can get long year, big money deals. If I’m Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder, I don’t know if Boston’s where I want to go. The willingness to dump multi-year deals and overpay for middle of the road players but balk at elite players has really just gotten to the point of silliness. I’m all for giving years and dollars to certain guys. Victor Martinez and Jason Bay were not 5+ year guys. Adrian Gonzalez is.

    Third, it’s just borderline incomprehensible to me that the Red Sox, after pursuing this guy for two years, work like crazy to bring him into the fold, are willing to let go of tons of prospects, send Theo out to San Diego personally to go GET HIM, fly him ALL THE WAY back to Boston to negotiate a deal – and still find a way to NOT get the job done. It just really looks like embarrassingly bad planning on the Red Sox part, or a complete and total overestimation of what they could accomplish in the negotiating process.

    To me, I don’t get why this is such a hard deal to get done. He wants 8 years, the Sox want six. Give him seven and a signing bonus to bring his salary next year to the rest of the contract. Simple as that.

    At this point, I’ve got no idea how they don’t take the risk and bring him in anyway. I feel like if they give this through the winter meetings, that someone’s going to pony up. If Jim Hendry gave Milton Bradley the deal he did, he’ll do a HUGE deal for Gonzalez and probably give up a boat load of prospects to get him. I feel like if the Sox let him go, it’s off the table forever.

    • John LeClair 5 years ago

      If I could like this 5,000,000 and then some I would!

    • Sawksfan 5 years ago

      Nice post, I agree with you 100%. I think there’s “other things” at work here, pretty much just stuff at the negotiating table. Gonzo and his reps have the advantage and they should use that to get a deal. We can only speculate at how things went down. Now that Werth is off the table, this may make Theo and co rethink their position. Noone has said the deal is off the table. I think this gets done during the week when the smoke has cleered a little.Until then, we can only suffer and wait (and suffer some more).

  34. Losing Victor Martinez and probably Adrian Beltre and Jonathan Paplebon couple that with NOT completing a trade for Adrian Gonzalez = Worst Offseason in Red Sox history?!? Right now, the Red Sox are BY FAR a worse club heading into 2011.

    • Tyler Sekula 5 years ago

      Ummmmmmm…have you ever heard of the Pirates??? Are you kidding me?? your saying the red sox are the worst team in the league right now??? Just cause they didn’t get Agonz? They are a VERY talented team as it is right now….they just need a couple pieces.. NO WHERE NEAR the worst team in the league…. REALLY?

      • “Sox are BY FAR a worse club heading into 2011.” He said A worse club, meaning worse then last year, not THE worse club in the league..

        • Tyler Sekula 5 years ago

          Wow i feel like a tool 😛 My bad xDDD hahahahaha. <3333

        • Tyler Sekula 5 years ago

          Wow i feel like a tool 😛 My bad xDDD hahahahaha. <3333

      • “Sox are BY FAR a worse club heading into 2011.” He said A worse club, meaning worse then last year, not THE worse club in the league..

    • Tyler Sekula 5 years ago

      Ummmmmmm…have you ever heard of the Pirates??? Are you kidding me?? your saying the red sox are the worst team in the league right now??? Just cause they didn’t get Agonz? They are a VERY talented team as it is right now….they just need a couple pieces.. NO WHERE NEAR the worst team in the league…. REALLY?

    • braincapers 5 years ago

      I’m a Blue Jay fan, I don’t what the hey your talking about. I bet Boston is going to win the East 2011. Bank on it, I really mean it.

    • braincapers 5 years ago

      I’m a Blue Jay fan, I don’t what the hey your talking about. I bet Boston is going to win the East 2011. Bank on it, I really mean it.

    • Sawksfan 5 years ago

      Things could be alot worse, like another injury plagued season.

      At least we still have Dice-K (chuckle)

  35. John LeClair 5 years ago

    Here is a concept I am not grasping totally, does the Red Sox ownership not realize that like the saying, “you have to give up something good to get something good back in return,” that you also have to spend plenty of money in order to make plenty of money back in return. I hate comparing the Red Sox to the Yankee’s and I’m sorry but what I’m about to say is true. The Yankee’s have figured out that when you spend money, you gain it back and then some in ticket sales, playoff appearances, selling merchandise, commercial deals, and all that other good stuff. Sure the Steinbrenners were already loaded to begin with but so isn’t the Red Sox ownership. The Steinbrenners aren’t Bill Gates or Warren Buffet. I’m not saying the Red Sox are, all I’m saying is the Yankee’s know what to do with the money they earn, and every year they keep making more and more of it.

    • This is very very very true. I am a HUGE redsox fan and despise the yanks, but come on now, the yankee’s go out there and pay that kind of money to a free agent every year, some not always working out. Here the Redsox are not willing to pay one of the best first baseman’s in all of baseball. Ridiculous.

      • Beersy 5 years ago

        And here’s the bigger problem for the Red Sox. If they don’t get this extension done know, they can kiss any chance of Gonzalez signing with them next winter, I would think. If Theo isn’t showing Gonzo the “respect” now to give him a big deal, why would Gonzo even entertain an offer when he becomes a free agent.

        Unless of course Theo is the smartest man alive and has a deal worked out with Gonzalez for next winter waiting in the wings and just won’t pull the trigger now to keep his prospects. If that’s the case he just got permission from Hoyer to work out a deal a year ahead of time and will just try to get through this season with what he’s got. I know it sounds a little JFK, but this could just be a conspriacy. :)

      • Slopeboy 5 years ago

        This also goes to John Le Clair

        Everyone always assumes that it’s always about the money when the Yankees and a FA is involved. That’s not the only factor in these matters that seperate the Yankees and the Red Sox. Seems like the Yankees always do their homework and take care of all the details when dealing with FA’s and the Red Sox don’t. There has never been an instance where the Yankees made a deal with a FA and it fell apart. Why? Because they do their due diligence, something that Old man Steinbrenner learned after signing Dave Winfield, and made certain that all deals were solid, with the i’s dotted and the t’s crossed before any deal was announced. The Red Sox FO has a history of making deals and going about them in a half baked sort of way. I mean they try to low ball every FA out there, especially when they believe there are no other competitors.
        This whole deal with Gonzalez is another example. How could they have not had a deal set with Gonzalez’s agent before hand? I mean he is the most important componant in the whole deal. The players that were to be sent to SD were secondary to the whole deal. Without Gonzalez in agreement to the money the deal is non-existant, which is where we are today. Not to sound like a Yankees homer, but the Yankees would never be caught with their pants down in a fiasco such as this.

    • This is very very very true. I am a HUGE redsox fan and despise the yanks, but come on now, the yankee’s go out there and pay that kind of money to a free agent every year, some not always working out. Here the Redsox are not willing to pay one of the best first baseman’s in all of baseball. Ridiculous.

  36. mytoemytoe 5 years ago

    Mets need to swoop in and offer Reyes, Davis and a couple of their prospects for Gonzales, who is just about the only guy who will be guaranteed to hit home runs in Citi Field.

    • dickylarue 5 years ago

      The Mets not going all in for this player is a joke. Adrian Gonzalez is what the Mets need to reinvigorate that franchise and the fanbase.

      If he can hit’em out of Petco, he’ll hit’em out of Citi field.

      As a Mets fan I have not seen enough good things in Ike Davis to pass up Gonzalez.

      He’s a must get if you’re the Mets.

      • Slopeboy 5 years ago

        Reyes and Ike Davis, while two good pieces are not enough. What’s your offer?

  37. mytoemytoe 5 years ago

    Mets need to swoop in and offer Reyes, Davis and a couple of their prospects for Gonzales, who is just about the only guy who will be guaranteed to hit home runs in Citi Field.

  38. John LeClair 5 years ago

    Hey … Is Carl Crawford starting to look any better?

    • I read Crawford wants 8 years as well, so scratch him out……

      • Lets’ bring Mike Lowell back from the grave, pay him 1.5 mill with incentives that can take it up to 2.1 mill, with a club option for 2012…..

      • Lets’ bring Mike Lowell back from the grave, pay him 1.5 mill with incentives that can take it up to 2.1 mill, with a club option for 2012…..

      • John LeClair 5 years ago

        Oh Damn, and to think for a second their I almost got my hopes up … *Sigh*

    • I read Crawford wants 8 years as well, so scratch him out……

  39. missyae 5 years ago

    Obviously Theo cannot count past 5

    • John LeClair 5 years ago

      He Can make it to 5 but anything past 1 or 2 is too much.

  40. This is my final conclusion:

    Are the Red Sox realistically trying to win another World Series, to beat the Yankees, and be the dominant force in the division, to do whatever it takes to give back to their loyal fans, who are putting boatloads of cash into their pockets, year in year and year out? The answer is a big NO.

  41. John LeClair 5 years ago

    So sad that Theo’s Man Crush dumped him on only the first date ..

    • andrewyf 5 years ago

      Well, Theo tried to save some money by taking him to Applebees, and asking him to split the check.

    • Slopeboy 5 years ago

      Theo brought flowers but not enough candy.

  42. towney007 5 years ago

    Well to me – I don’t see why the extension is a deal breaker. Let’s say they get Gonzalez and he walks after this year if no deal’s reached… Albert Pujols, Prince Fielder and a whole boatload of big named free agents are going to be out there. Focus your resources there…

    So to me, this is just stupid. Pull the trigger.

  43. arsenal908 5 years ago

    haha its pretty jokes that they brought Gonzalez all the way to boston and still couldnt get anything done. Wow the redsoxs really kno how to waste peoples time.

  44. Congratulations John Henry, Theo just shanked this deal, now you can go spend all the money saved on you English Soccer team! woohoo…

  45. Gonzalez will be a free agent next winter and the Yankees already have a body at first base. The Red Sox can wait another year, enter the highest bid against little competition, and get their man without offering up four quality prospects.

    This baby was doomed from the start.

    Intelligent baseball clubs usually work cautiously and pay attention to all the details. The Sox employ some of the top minds in the game and were right to stay level-headed in negotiations. They’ll bring Gonzalez aboard next year and keep their farm system from being depleted.

    • missyae 5 years ago

      Yeah, makes sense to me, we didn’t have to bid against anyone so let’s wait and big against those teams nobody will go to like say, uhhh, the Nats. Yes sir, makes sense to me.

    • Buster Olney on Twitter- “Teams that could be on gonzo next winter: dodgers, angels, rangers, braves, orioles, mats, cubs, etc.”

      • slider32 5 years ago

        Sox fans have to forget about this one. Gonzo is going to wait to become a free agent and play with the dodgers or angels, and I can’t say that I blame him, the weather is great there.

        • Honestly if I was any superstar player I wouldn’t want to play with the Sox, not with the way the franchise is going and the road that the ownership is going down, no thanks.

        • Are you kidding me? There hasn’t been a word yet or an update on this situation, which means NEGOTIATIONS ARE STILL GOING ON!

          • hey, the deadline was at 2:00, they can’t still be negotiating, look up ^^^ next time.

    • towney007 5 years ago

      I get what you’re saying, Luis, and 99/100 times I’d agree with you. But this is kind of a different story here. The PR problem it creates for this team is astronomical. From the fan’s standpoint- it’s already obvious, but it’s also an issue for the rest of the baseball world. It’s becoming the perception that you don’t go to the Red Sox if you’re looking for a big money, long term contract because they just don’t dish them out. I feel like they’ve entered wildly dangerous territory here.

      If they don’t bring him on board, they’re not going to get him. The rest of the league knows what it will take and some organizations – see the Cubs – will likely be ready and willing to beat that offer. If Jason Werth is getting seven years, then Crawford commands at least 8. Gonzalez wants 8. So the question becomes – if you’re going to have to spend 8 years to get a guy to upgrade your team this year, who would you rather spend the money on?

      I think if they void the deal, then you’re never – ever – going to see him in a Red Sox uniform. It’s going to make the Pujols or Fielder negotiations that may still be coming next year and even bigger hurdle. To me, killing this with no extension in place is silly, especially considering the fact that that Pujols and Fielder are going to be in the market. The Sox have the leverage here anyway, so what does it matter if the deal’s done now or in six months?

      I think they’re in a spot where they have to risk it. On a player of this caliber, you bite the bullet and risk it. Especially considering how much they’ve put into this in terms of sheer resources. They were right to tell Bay to kiss off and were right to let V-Mart walk. This one – not so much.

    • Lars Chunks 5 years ago

      Way to copy that word for word from Drew Silva’s article over on HardballTalk on the NBC Sports’ website…

  46. missyae 5 years ago

    Branyan, Pena, Nady, LaRoche, are all on the clock now I guess. Same excuse is loaded and probably being rehearsed, “We gave what we felt was a very fair offer and we have moved on.” Gammons is also being programed right now about how banged up he was and how he cheated with every other players wife in S.D. But hey, we signed Tek!!

  47. John LeClair 5 years ago

    I don’t want to get A Gon when he’s 30 I want him when he’s 29 so we can have for 1 extra year into his prime.

  48. Gordon Edes on on twitter- “I have every reason to believe Sox still talking with Gonzalez”

    • John LeClair 5 years ago

      Oh really how are they still talking to him when they are on their way to Florida and Gonzo’s on his way to Cali.

    • Latrappe 5 years ago

      I have every reason to think that this is a not a ” news “

      • This was more of a Sarcastic Comment, How could they still be talking to him, hes on his way back to SD, while the Sox are heading down too Florida.

    • jurassiccarl 5 years ago

      There was a 2:00 deadline for negotiation. If they’re still talking to him I believe that would be tampering

      • That is what I was thinking too, but I didn’t know if it was classified as “tampering”

      • MaineSox 5 years ago

        Not saying I think they are but I believe they can with the Padres’ permission. Although I could be wrong.

    • It’s called player tampering now if they are. They had their “window”, now its closed.

      • Got that now thanks. Oh and also Note that *I* was not the one who said this it was Gordon Edes.

  49. jurassiccarl 5 years ago

    Sorry to anyone I offended with my negativity today. I am just very angry at the mismanagement of this team for the last few years but there’s nothing I or anyone else can do about it. Been a Sox fan since I was a kid and I’m not gonna stop now becuase a deal fell through. I do, however, wish there were some sort of consequences for the FO messing with the fans like this. Wouldn’t mind seeing the so called “sell-out streak” for one but it remains to see how this goes from a PR standpoint. I work in PR and I’ll tell you this, I wouldn’t want to clean up this mess.

    • I 100% agree. I am just as frustrated as any Sox fan out there.

    • 95% of Red Sox fans are oblivious to what went on this weekend. My roomate is a huge Sox fan and he had no idea. Sox fans who follow baseball blogs are irate, the other 95% are worried about the Pats vs the Jets.

  50. jubeininja69 5 years ago

    even though the Padres are my team’s rivals, as a baseball fan i hate seeing the bigger market teams pluck players away from small market teams.

    looks like they couldn’t negotiate an extension. maybe the padres can get better prospects this time. even better keep gonzalez for a shot at the division. i can’t believe the padres don’t want to win this season after 90 wins last season.

    • Dustroia15 5 years ago

      Plucking away?

      Sox gave up 3 of their top 6 prospects.

      Padres would get a 1st and a sandwich pick for him if he walks. They would then have to pay those players about $1.5-2M.

      So they get an extra prospect. The prospects are much closer to the majors than the picks would be. Te prospects have a track record so the Padres have a better idea of who they are getting. They save about $8M between not paying salary or signing bonuses.

  51. Lars Chunks 5 years ago

    My biggest problem with this whole thing is that they MUST have known how much he wanted before even making the trade… It just makes zero sense to get this far along in the process only for Theo to suddenly be shocked by the asking price of an extension. You have to be a complete moron to think Adrian Gonzalez would take some sort of a discount. And you have to be even more of a moron to drag the fans through this thing while knowing darn well that you would never pay him what he wanted.

    • BoomDizzle 5 years ago

      The fans aren’t being dragged through anything. No one even knows the real numbers or if a deal will be completed. If you want to get upset based on speculation then that is on you.

    • Muggi 5 years ago

      You’re one of many people I’ve seen post this, and it’s just not true.

      It’s not absolute Theo knew what he wanted. Reporters have heard everything from 5/125 to 8/180, and it’s not like he can call up Adrian’s agent out of the blue and ask – that’s tampering, it’s illegal, and it’s the reason they need the Padres to approve a negotiation period.

      The Pads are not just going to let Adrian negotiate with any team while he’s still a Padre. There’s a process to these things, and Theo is bound to follow that process.

      • His production over the past 4 years is nearly identical to Tex and he is a couple years younger. Theo had to have a good idea.

  52. Bernaldo 5 years ago

    Part of the dissonance here is that Epstein believes that the cost (in players) to acquire Gonzalez must be factored into the contact: “I’ve already paid a stiff price to make this deal so you need to consider that in your contract demands.” Gonzalez (through his agent) sees it much differently: “What the deal cost you in players is your problem. You traded minor leaguers anyway. Gonzalez is worth this much and your cost in players counts for squat”. I am not declaring one postion is more tenable than the other but it seems pretty evident -based on media reporting – that Epstein and Gonzalez view this deal from very dissimilar perspectives.

    • andrewyf 5 years ago

      Epstein is much more of a moron than we thought if he thinks the player cares one iota about the players the Red Sox gave away.

      The only other benefit of trading for a player a year or half a year before he hits free agency is that you can assure yourself he will sign with you. But you have to make the deal good enough so that he won’t go and test the market.

    • Dustroia15 5 years ago

      I don’t think this is the case to be honest. Theo knows that what he gave up has nothing to do with Gonzalez.

  53. The San Diego Tribune quoted Gonzalez’s agent later Sunday afternoon as saying the sides were still meeting.

    The Red Sox and the three-time National League All-Star first baseman were unable to reach an agreement on a contract extension before the 24-hour negotiating deadline expired at 11 a.m. (San Diego time) Sunday.

    “There is not a contract agreement,” John Boggs, Gonzalez’s agent, said Sunday afternoon. “I’m right in the middle of a meeting right now, I’ll get back to you. We’re still working.”

    • Dustroia15 5 years ago

      Give him same extension as Werth but add $4-5M per year.

      I have a feeling that AGonz’s camp is trying to adjust his 2011 salary to about $20M, then add 7 years at $20-22M.

  54. SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
    hearing #redsox still working hard on a-gon. reached on their cells, theo epstein and larry lucchino declined comment.

    • BloodySock 5 years ago

      Yes, it’s wise not to overreact until an official statement is made. I hope it works out for everyone………or not if it’s not meant to be, but it’s better than this emotional rollercoaster that some of these fans are putting themselves through by hanging on every word in real time.

  55. jurassiccarl 5 years ago

    It will happen if they are willing to go to 8 years at 170 mil to 180 mil. However, at this point the Sox have to work out a new trade with the Padres, who may not want to do it at this point. Prospects could change, the Padres could even ask for more, and the Red Sox, having dealt with this agent already will certainly offer less in terms of players. The Padres would probably be inclined to say no to the Sox at that point and hope the Cubs, Mets, or another team “blow them away” with an offer. Any way you slice it, it’s a tougher situation to navigate than it was before the deadline.

    • Latrappe 5 years ago

      Which prompt my question: Why the Sox made that trade if they were not ready to go ” all in “. Theo and his minions look like a bunch of fools, at this point.

  56. Tko11 5 years ago

    Omg!!! Come on Theo get this deal done please!

  57. John LeClair 5 years ago

    This COULD I’m not saying it is good news Red Sox nation! If everyone remembers right after they said No to Tex Larry Luchino immediately sent out a statement saying how basically Tex was not needed or wanted.

    • what are you trying to say??

      • John LeClair 5 years ago

        I’m trying to say that for once the Sox not saying anything maybe a good thing, and like people have said, they reportedly haven’t really made a decision on the Trade itself and I don’t think they will until probably Tuesday.

    • jurassiccarl 5 years ago

      Well, to be honest, Larry Luchino is a bit of a loudmouthed idiot and I think he has been kind of muzzled by Henry and werner since then

    • Lars Chunks 5 years ago

      That’s the only glimmer of hope I’m holding onto right now. The fact that no one from the Red Sox side of things has said anything throughout this entire process, and continues to not say anything, makes me think they might still be working out a deal. If the deal was truly dead, I would expect someone from the front office to have released some sort of statement by now.

      • jurassiccarl 5 years ago

        That is a possibility. However, it is wise for them not to comment right now even if it is completely dead. Fans are irate and they probably don’t have much of a plan b right now. Winter meetings start tommorow and they’ve lost a trade and a free agent target. They also spent much of their preperation time for the meetings dealing with Adrian’s situation. They have a choice now. Continue this Gonzalez mess or try to get some combination of Beltre/Crawford signed. If they choose to continue after Gonzalez, Beltre and Crawford may be elsewhere and if it doesn’t work out with A-Gon you could be looking at Troy Glaus/Laroche/Branyan types

    • towney007 5 years ago

      Yeah I think they’ll get him before all is said and done….

      if they want to get creative, they should lour a third team into this deal. Shop a Scutaro/Lowrie type and get them to ship another mid-range prospect or something to lessen the Sox burden.

    • andrewyf 5 years ago

      But the Red Sox still want to do business with Adrian Gonzalez once he hits free agency. Mark Teixeira was a free agent, and was coming off the table for good, so the Sox tried (and failed) to spin the PR, because it was the only thing they could do at that point.

    • my problem with the red sox FO is the fact that they are willing to give lackey a big contract coming of 2 season where he was injured to start the season and beckett who was injured the previous season and sucked to begin the year but wont give a guy who by all acount is one of the top 7 hitter in baseball.

  58. HipNip2009 5 years ago

    If Werth is worth 7 years and $126 million, AGon is worth more, in the $150 million range. He’s younger and a better player than Werth. Too bad the deal fell through; I was looking forward to seeing him in the AL and out of the NL West.

  59. jurassiccarl 5 years ago

    Can’t wait till Shaunessy gets ahold of this story in the A.M. Would like to see Eric Wilbur’s take as well considering his feud with John Henry.

    • bust0ff 5 years ago

      I don’t click on Shaughnessy’s articles online. I know that the silent boycott of one humble internet crusader is unlikely to change much. But at least it is fun to dream that a lack of clicks could lead to CHB losing his job.

  60. towney007 5 years ago

    Rob Bradford just tweeted that Gonzalez has elected to stay in Boston tonight in case deal gets done.

    • Latrappe 5 years ago

      What about that negociating windows?

      • towney007 5 years ago

        MLB is really lenient with these kinds of deals apparently. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they hammered out the extension.

  61. Latrappe 5 years ago

    SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
    A gon is now a red sox

  62. still some optimism the a-gon deal could happen. deadline came and went but mlb allows for leniency with deals of this magnitude

  63. towney007 5 years ago

    THEY GOT HIM~~

  64. Latrappe 5 years ago

    SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
    Deal is done. A gon headed to #redsox. Press conf expected tomorrow

  65. 123Star 5 years ago

    lets be real, if the Sox let Gonzo go, they will have let down every Sox fan across the states. To be so close and have billionairs as owners, what does that tell us? Now we know how the “Boss” did business. You have to payup for special players, and don’t procrastinate. Snooooze you lose, even the Nationals showed there boldness by getting Werth. Does anybody know or have an idea what’s in the minds of these owners???

  66. MaineSox 5 years ago

    SI_JonHeyman

    Deal is done. A gon headed to #redsox. Press conf expected tomorrow

  67. So is this deal done or what?

  68. towney007 5 years ago

    Heyman makes the deal official. Press conference scheduled for tomorrow.

    • Who can trust what Heyman says these days? I didn’t believe the deal was off, now it’s back on, let’s wait to hear more from Olney or another solid source.

      • towney007 5 years ago

        I guess MLB granted an extension on the negotiating window. They just got it done a couple of minutes ago.

    • EarlyMorningBoxscore 5 years ago

      Do not get me wrong I am totally excited the deal is back on…but a press conference on the first day of the winter meetings? Man….I hope Theo can hop on Henry’s private jet quick enough to get back down to Orlando to try and find another bat, and some bullpen help.

  69. If no extension, this deal is a fail

    • Latrappe 5 years ago

      Agreed

      • Dustroia15 5 years ago

        Double agree. Rather have gone after Konerko, then Gonzalez/Fielder/Pujols (long shot) after the seaso was over and it wouldn’t cost us prospects.

  70. BoSoxSam 5 years ago

    YESSSSS IT HAPPENED! 😀

  71. ElWaldorf 5 years ago

    Heyman says Deal back on, man this trade is starting to get annoying.

    • towney007 5 years ago

      Heyman made me pee myself a little this afternoon.

  72. EarlyMorningBoxscore 5 years ago

    Christ the Sox really know how to play with the health of their fans. Jeeez sign just his extension and lets be done with it already and move on to the next agonizing pursuit of a big named player..

  73. Like I said before: Fans with the patience of a 5-yr old.
    Sheesh. Couldn’t wait 7 more hours?

  74. dickylarue 5 years ago

    jorgearangure If Adrian Gonzalez has been traded he’s yet to hear about it. #Padres #redsox

  75. Wait! Another source says the Padres have just reached an agreement with the… BALTIMORE ORIOLES, a package including Brian Matusz, Zach Bell, Matt Angle, and Felix Pie! The classic bait-and-switch tactic used by Jack Z of the Mariners has stunned Theo Epstein and the RedSox!

  76. Yastrzemski 5 years ago

    I want to hear someone other than Heyman verify that the deal is done.

  77. Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
    When Gonzo can show his surgically repaired shoulder is fine. So no contract extension is part of this deal

    • Latrappe 5 years ago

      So a press conference to say that they acquired Gonzalez? No extension to annonce? That would be an insult to our intelligence…

  78. towney007 5 years ago

    Deal is going through without extension.

    HOWEVER, parameters of deal has been negotiated. They’re waiting until spring to sign the deal pending shoulder. Deal’s done, just needs to be signed. Seems like a reasonable compromise.

    • I’m confused, are they going to finalize the trade in Spring Training or sign an extension? What if his shoulder isn’t what they would like it to be? Is it a trade back or SD keeps Bostons ‘spects?

      • Trade back??? LOL. what are you, 10? SD keeps the prospects and adrian leaves via free agency in 2011 and you’re left with draft picks. That would be awesome.

  79. bust0ff 5 years ago

    Throughout this entire saga, there has been no official word from the Red Sox. I think most of this has been media generated. Red Sox fans (being that we are Red Sox fans) have simply taken the bait of the media and generated a weekend worth of drama on the internets.

    Next time I’ll just wait for the official word from the team.

  80. Latrappe 5 years ago

    SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
    Hearing #redsox satisfied a multiyear deal can be arranged w a-gon. have common ground on parameters. No extension will be announced now.

    Cue the ” The price is right losing horn “

  81. hawkny1 5 years ago

    Do I have this right, Gonzo is signed? Good!
    Now, go out and re-sign Beltre.
    Shift Youkilis to LF.

    Ellsbury CF
    Pedrois 2B
    Youkilis LF
    Gonzalez 1B
    Ortiz DH
    Beltre 3B
    Drew/Kalish RF
    Scutaro/Iglaisis SS
    Saltalmacchia C

    • Youk in LF is not a good idea. For the money you’re going to spend on Beltre, you might as well try to sign Crawford. I would also assume that Youk will bat 4th and AGon will bat 3rd just to go L R L

      • hawkny1 5 years ago

        Point well taken…problem is…Crawford wants 8 yrs. @ $17/18M/yr..

    • Latrappe 5 years ago

      Youkilis to LF… Well, that deserve a DOUBLE facepalm !

      • wickedkevin 5 years ago

        Youk played LF for 18 games in ’06. He has the uhm…cough….ability.

    • Yastrzemski 5 years ago

      I’d much rather them plan on Youk manning 3rd and make a play for Crawford. But seeing as how they’re having/had such a rough time with the Gonzalez deal them willing to go above and beyond for Crawford is probably unlikely.

  82. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Agonz. He’s not being forced to do anything. He can ask for 8/$200 (just an example) and if they say no then he goes back to being a Padres.

  83. And goes into a season coming off shoulder surgery risking well over $100m guaranteed? I doubt Gonzalez is going to haggle for every last dollar when Boston is his preference anyway. If the Red Sox give him a comparable deal, somewhere in the Howard and Texeira neighborhood, what leverage does Gonzalez have? Yeah he could turn it down, but that risk v. reward would be crazy for him. Both teams have a lot to lose, but Gonzalez has less leverage.

  84. Fever Pitch Guy 5 years ago

    Or the Red Sox go through with the trade anyway, it’s their choice. I assure you, this trade will happen with or without a contract extension.

    The window of negotiation is for Boston’s benefit only, not for Gonzalez or the Padres. The Red Sox aren’t required to have an extension in place for the trade to be finalized, it’s strictly up to them.

  85. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    Thanks for the clarification.

  86. Well put. Answered one of my questions about the “deadline”.

  87. jt24 5 years ago

    It’s a european shoulder bag, and it was a gift

  88. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    I didn’t say he would haggle. WHat I said is that he has leverage. If he doesn’t get traded then he can wait until 2011. If his shoulder does concern doctors then he should be good enough to make it thru 2011.

  89. “I doubt Gonzalez is going to haggle for every last dollar when Boston is his preference anyway.” Where are you getting this from? Gonzalez prefers the west coast, but he has no real say in where he traded to. The only leverage he has is the contract extension, and if the Red Sox don’t give him what he wants he stays in SD, shows that he is still a superstar and goes free agent at the end of the season. If Theo is stupid enough to complete this trade without the new contract signed, Gonzalez is likely to do the same thing as he would if he played in SD, go free agent.

  90. wickedkevin 5 years ago

    Good one, Buzz Killington.

  91. You didn’t say he has leverage, you said he has THE leverage, which is suggesting he has more than the Red Sox. I can’t disagree more. The Red Sox are a billion dollar organization that will go on without Gonzalez, and would be the front runners to sign him in 2011 free agency to a comparable deal. Of course they will look foolish if this falls through, but they have a good idea of what it will take to sign him and won’t offer a below market deal. I think we can all agree he’s going to an offer of 5-8 years at over 20m per. Assuming this, what leverage does he have to turn that down? He could, but that would be a ton of risk over a few million per year or an extra year added on. So if the Red Sox low ball him, yeah he has some leverage…but he has no leverage to demand a deal larger than a Teixiera or Howard.

  92. flickadave 5 years ago

    Yeah, the Sox can always play the “we will guarantee you $125m or you can play your last season with the Padres and hope that you don’t ruin your knee and have your career end before you get your huge payout”. I don’t think the deal is going to be hard to get done.

    Edit: I obviously am an optimist. DOH!!!

  93. flickadave 5 years ago

    Yeah, the Sox can always play the “we will guarantee you $125m or you can play your last season with the Padres and hope that you don’t ruin your knee and have your career end before you get your huge payout”. I don’t think the deal is going to be hard to get done.

    Edit: I obviously am an optimist. DOH!!!

  94. flickadave 5 years ago

    Yeah, the Sox can always play the “we will guarantee you $125m or you can play your last season with the Padres and hope that you don’t ruin your knee and have your career end before you get your huge payout”. I don’t think the deal is going to be hard to get done.

    Edit: I obviously am an optimist. DOH!!!

  95. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Leverage (to gain an advantage through the use of a tool, force or influence).

    Agonz can say no. Continue to be a Padres. The Sox can readdress or let it go. He can be a FA after 2011 and gain more ngotiations power.

    What can Red Sox do to Agonz? Nothing. They would still have to go out and sign a 3B/1B and probably one of Crawford or Werth.

  96. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Leverage (to gain an advantage through the use of a tool, force or influence).

    Agonz can say no. Continue to be a Padres. The Sox can readdress or let it go. He can be a FA after 2011 and gain more ngotiations power.

    What can Red Sox do to Agonz? Nothing. They would still have to go out and sign a 3B/1B and probably one of Crawford or Werth.

  97. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Leverage (to gain an advantage through the use of a tool, force or influence).

    Agonz can say no. Continue to be a Padres. The Sox can readdress or let it go. He can be a FA after 2011 and gain more ngotiations power.

    What can Red Sox do to Agonz? Nothing. They would still have to go out and sign a 3B/1B and probably one of Crawford or Werth.

  98. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Not being funny. RIzzo made 15 ER @ 1B and I wondering how the equates to a good glove. Forget I’m a Yankee fan for a second. Where did word of his good defense come from?

  99. jgmaynard 5 years ago

    I was going to suggest nearly the exact some numbers as you. So rather than do that, I’ll just say, “What Blackcourt said.”

    JM

  100. 0bsessions 5 years ago

    I prefer to avoid citing errors against first basemen because of the inherent human error element that comes with scoring them. I remember a Sox/Yankees game this year where both Youkilis AND Teixeira got errors on bad throws from their shortstop. Scutaro’s throw bounced wide and banged off the edge of his glove as he tried to stay on the bag and Jeter’s throw practically bounced up into Teixeira’s face. Hard to call that severe defensive inefficiency on either of their parts. I know picking a bad throw is part of the job, but it doesn’t help matters.

  101. HipNip2009 5 years ago

    Red Sox Nation Kool Aid.

  102. Guest 5 years ago

    Soxprospects

  103. Jim Callis of BA did an EL top tools this season.
    Rizzo won the best defensive 1B category.
    While we’re at it, Lin won the best defensive OF category. I forget the others.

  104. slider32 5 years ago

    I agree, but even Jeter made alot of errors in the minors.

  105. MaineSox 5 years ago

    Let me preface this by saying I am in no way insinuating that Rizzo is the next A-Gonz, or likely even close. But I think you might find their AA stats interesting since you also asked before about his offense:Rizzo 20 years old at AA Portland: .263 AVG, .334 OBP, .815 OPS, 20 HRs, 45 BB, 100 SO, 16 ErrorsA-Gonz 20 year old at AA Portland: .266 AVG, .344 OBP, .781 OPS, 17 HRs, 54 BB, 112 SO, 16 ErrorsAgain, not saying he is the next A-Gonz, I just thought you would find that interesting.

    (A-gonz played for the Seadogs when they were a Florida affiliate)

  106. Paka 5 years ago

    Keep dreaming buddy.

  107. You're Killing Me Smalls 5 years ago

    Stay golden Ponyboy…

  108. You're Killing Me Smalls 5 years ago

    Stay golden Ponyboy…

  109. slider32 5 years ago

    I don’t like Upton or his brother, I think their over rated. Salty and Lowrie are sub par major leaguers. I do think the top four are great, but the rest are ?s.

  110. slider32 5 years ago

    I like the first 4 in this line-up, but 5-9 are questionable. In 2012, I would be surprised if 5-9 are on the team. Salty and Lowrie are sub par major leaguers.

  111. Then they will get ryan braun!!!

  112. “What can Red Sox do to Agonz?”

    Umm not pay him 125-180 million dollars guaranteed? Go out and sign Beltre and Crawford and get back 3 top prospects? Throw in Bard and Ellsbury and go get Justin Upton? They can pay lots of people money, they want Gonzalez to be that guy. There is only one team that can currently pay Gonzalez that money. How are you not understanding this? Chances are he makes it to free agency with a great year, but he’s coming off surgery and there is some risk. Players routinely accept team friendly deals to buy out their arbitration years for this very idea. Would he rather have 150 million dollars today for the team that is his #1 choice or risk it all for the chance at 180 million dollars next year? He could get hurt again, have a down year, or have Pujols and Fielder drive his market down a bit..only so many teams can pay 1st baseman crazy money, and many of those teams are already doing so. It would be absurd to pass up that kind of money for a chance to get slightly more a year from now at the cost of losing it. I’m sorry but your concept of leverage is to assume massive risk for small returns which isn’t a logical view. Any agent or GM would laugh at this strategy, it’s why Boras caved in the Matsuzaka situation. Seriously, what is an extra 10-20m when you are making that much money, why would he chance it? If you look at similar deals signed by guys with extension windows, Santana, Halladay, etc. they have always been fair market deals.

  113. Fever Pitch Guy 5 years ago

    That’s patently wrong, if Adrian refuses to sign an extension he doesn’t automatically continue to be a Padre. If the Red Sox choose to go through with the trade without an extension, he will become a member of the Red Sox.

  114. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    After getting Upton and Crawford for the outfield, please at least make sure it make sense. We’ll trade for Joe Mauer and Troy Tulowitzki.

  115. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    To trade for him as a rental yes, to sign him long term they’d need to up their expenses.

  116. slider32 5 years ago

    No way the Rays spend that kind of money.

  117. MaineSox 5 years ago

    Tulo? Try Hanley! And why don’t I see anything about Cliff Lee and Greinke?

  118. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Well of course the obvious option is to not do the deal. That wasn’t what we were discussing. The issue was the thought that somehow the Sox had leverage to convince Agonz to take a deal that was less than what he was seeking, sort of like the Yanks with Jeter seeking a 5/$120 deal. Yanks had leverage because no one was going to come close to that at all and Jeter would look silly had he left Ny and settled for less than the offer they had on the table. If you were to weigh leverage then it was 80/20 in the Yanks favor.

    Chances are the Pads have offered Agonz something along the lines of 8/$120 already and he obviously wasn’t interested. So this idea that he wouldn’t risk turning down, for arguement sakes, 6/$120 is laughable, and he would go into 2011 and do this dance again or hit FA and negotiate under different circumstances where maybe some team will pay him his $23-$25 mil w/o having to also give up prospects.

    The party with the least amount of leverage are the Pads to an extent because they have to now juggle 3 issues.

    a) getting a package they want.
    b) juggle the fact they might get more if they trade him to a team willing to also extend him.
    c) accept the fact that they may have to settle for less if they trade him to a team as a 1 year rental.

    In any scenario they WILL get at least 1 true elite prospect but it’s a matter of how much MORE they can get.

  119. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Wow …ok. Thanks.

    I had the package being Kelly, Fuentes, Tejada, Lowrie and Doubront. I wasn’t sold on Rizzo though. Seems like a lot of issues on paper that only an eyeball evaluation can dismiss. I wonder what the quality of the PTBNL will be?

  120. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Yeah but at SS not 1B. I’m not knocking him, just looking at the 15 ER @ 1B and questioning the tag of “excellent defensively”. I’ll take the word of the experts for now though.

  121. I wouldn’t say the chances are that the Padres offered him 8/120…where do you come up with that? There have been actual reports that they never made him an offer because they know they can’t come close. Even if he took that extreme discount he would tie up more than half the payroll on one of the most cash strapped franchises in baseball.

    I so thoroughly disagree with your idea of leverage that its pointless to continue this debate. You keep changing the argument, using a figure like 6/120 which isn’t part of the argument…the argument is that the Red Sox understand his approximate asking price before the trade, have the money, and will at the very least come very close. That figure isn’t market value, so it’s a completely different discussion altogether. Howard established that 5-6 years would net around 25m, and if he got more years it would be closer to Tex at 23m. I’d be happy to keep a discussion going, but you need to keep it on point and stop changing the variables. This was never a debate over whether the Red Sox could lowball Gonzalez and force him to take it, the debate is who will blink first at a reasonable fair deal. Every year you see draft picks with far more leverage accept the deal, very few guys leave the money on the table…and that is only a few million dollars. Human nature goes against everything you are arguing..people are naturally greedy, but they also aren’t willing to risk huge sums of money for marginal returns. In order for this not to get done, it would have to be a difference of 20+m over the deal imo. I mean just the return on the money getting it a year early is worth a lot.

    When the deal was made I thought the Red Sox wouldn’t announce the contract right away. They don’t like paying the luxury tax and Gonzalez’s small salary would allow them to sign a Crawford/Werth and address the bullpen without exceeding the tax. The most likely scenario imo is the Red Sox will have an agreement in place but not announce it until the season starts to avoid the tax. I don’t know why a guy like Heyman would overlook this factor, it seems pretty obvious to me.

  122. MaineSox 5 years ago

    Despite Gammon’s saying it wont be a “prime guy” I wonder about Kolbrin Vitek. He was just drafted this year but after I looked a little I found that he was signed early enough that he would be able to be named a PTBNL as early as the 12th of this month and the Padres really liked him during the draft. Sox have him at third but he played second in college.

    Not convinced it is him but it would make sense, and make the package to SD potentially look a lot better.

  123. moonraker45 5 years ago

    so immature, yet so funny

  124. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Interesting comparison. Thanks.

  125. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    I’m not lowballing. I was just using examples. More importantly the point was that someone, may have been you, suggested “Why would he turn the Sox offer down and go thru 2011 risking losing $100 mil + offer”. My suggestion was that the Pads a) have a desire to keep Agonz if they got a home team discount and b) they probably have had discussions of an extension over the last 2 years and would consider 6 or 7 years @ $15 mil a bargain and would sign him immediately if they could. If you can accept that as a logical assumption, then Agonz has effectively decided to ride out his current contract and spurred one $100 mil offer already that he could’ve signed to stay in SD. Therefore, if he’s seeking something comparable to Texieria, which is what the Heyman tweeted above, and the Sox seem to be hesitant to give it to him, then he might decide to ride out this last year and see if a) the Sox attempt to trade for him again and fork over what he wants prior to the deadline. b) see if another team steps up like the Angels, Cubs, Mets, etc c) go into FA when a team might see spending the $$$$$ and not prospects as more in step with their long term plans.

    I feel as if ppl are treating this as if the Sox are the only teams that can afford Agonz. History has shown that the O’s and Nationals are looking and willing to spend on a marquee 1B because they offerd Texeira deals anywhere from $160-$200 mil according to reports. The Cubs, M’s, Angels, Mets and Cardinals are also teams that either have money coming off the books or the need for a marquee player like Agonz. Shoot if Pujols negotiations hit an impasse then the Cards might see Agonz as a cheeper alternative that they can sell to their fanbase (assuming Pujols might want a Arod like deal).

    There are so many ways this can play out and I don’t think Agonz has come this far to worry about “what if something happens to me in 2011″. If security were an issue then he would’ve signed a multi-year deal that would’ve earned him more than the $5.5 mil he made this year and next year.

  126. RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

    You mean a Man-Purse!

  127. Dustroia15 5 years ago

    I think the money is fine, they probably don’t want to go 8 years.

    The Sox are just trying to get the price down but they will end up signing him for whatever they need to.

    If they can knock a few million off, why not try, this is a business you know.

  128. Guest 5 years ago

    Actually, he is kind of right. And so are you. This will get done, but at least Epstein can give everyone pause for a moment, while he actually tries to screw this up. I equate Epsteins tack to that of a 16 yo boy going to second base with a girl for the first time, sloppy.

  129. HAHAH!!! Really?!? A pathetic Red Sox fan? Why? Because I voiced my opinion?!?

  130. I know, I know! It’s just that this is not the first time the SOX have lost a player because they don’t want to go 1 or 2 millions more.GO RED SOX!

  131. That’s exactly my concern! I don’t want Front Office to screw this up!

  132. Great! Another brilliant comment… Am I insulting anybody here? Why people have to be so disrespectful!!When I say 1 or 2 millions, I’m talking per year! And it’s a figurative number… So let’s say the diff is 3 millions per year, that multiplied by 8 = 24!Geeez! I’m just voicing my opinion and some people wants me to go away?!? i’m not trolling here or anything like that!

  133. dc21892 5 years ago

    No, because you’re already back to bashing Theo, like every other “fan”.

  134. hahaha! About that GUY?!? THAT GUY?!?! I have a name and my name is Joel… huge Red Sox fan and yes, I’m excited about this TRADE. I’m just concern about the Front Office. We finally have our guy and I don’t want anything to go wrong on this trade.

    But your comment was not 100% appropriate… why? You called me a PATHETIC RED SOX without any reason.

    I haven’t say anything wrong to deserve that kind of comments. You don’t know me and I don’t know you! To call me a pathetic Red Sox fan because you just disagree is not smart at all and does not contribute anything good to the conversation. You could have say that you still believe AGon will be a RED SOX, with or without extension… without insulting me and calling me names.

    BTW… I don’t LIKE your comment… I hit LIKED by mistake!

    Anyway… I hope everything goes right and we have AGon for a long long time.

    GO RED SOX!!!

  135. Really?!? Wow!!! Dude, please stop. If you don’t agree with my point of view, fine! I respect that… but you have no right of calling people names just because you disagree! That’s why your comment was removed!!!

  136. dc21892 5 years ago

    Sometimes the truth hurts, and you’re right I don’t agree. I’m a die hard fan myself.

  137. RedSox2219 5 years ago

    I would like for that to happen but at this point to me is a 50/50 chance. But we are all speculating. They could be just dragging this out so people watch the mlb network and drive up some ratings…

  138. RedSox2219 5 years ago

    I would like for that to happen but at this point to me is a 50/50 chance. But we are all speculating. They could be just dragging this out so people watch the mlb network and drive up some ratings…

  139. jt24 5 years ago

    NO i mean a European shoulder bag!!!

  140. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    Please remember that every fan base has a handful of idiots. Larger the fan base, larger the handful and proportionally the louder they get.

  141. Encarnacion's Parrot 5 years ago

    If they see something shiney, they get mesmerized. Take it away, and they go apenut.

  142. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    High praise *bows*

  143. MaineSox 5 years ago

    Howard UZR since 2004: -15.3

    Gonzalez UZR since 2004: 6.2

  144. When you’re on a terrible team, you mean more.

  145. Yeah man that $169 million payroll really shows how cheap the Red Sox are.
    /facepalm.

    It’s like Red Sox and Yankee fans try to one up themselves on how spoiled they can act.

  146. MDMV 5 years ago

    they aren’t cheap…you were probably one of the people who wanted them to re-sign Pedro, Cabrera and Lowe back in the day also?

  147. Lars Chunks 5 years ago

    That’s what makes it even worse. They’re willing to spend money, but keep failing to sign players over differences of only a few million dollars.

  148. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    I’d take Cabrera out of that one… remember what we got instead…

  149. John LeClair 5 years ago

    This is completely different this is a age 28 First Baseman that is entering his prime, not a 34 Year Pitcher leaving his prime.

  150. Lars Chunks 5 years ago

    I said superstars, not old, second tier players.

  151. MDMV 5 years ago

    exactly….we ended up with ellsbury, lowrie and buchholz from compensation picks…..you have to draw a line somewhere. by having these 3 under team control it allows them to make moves like Gonzalez. I know this is a different situation and that is a different argument. I’m just saying you have to be smart with your money and spend it wisely. I think this deal will get done whether today or more likely at a later date.

  152. I was really expecting Hoyer to ask for more, knowing how much Theo wanted AGonz, if Rizzo asked for the moon for Dunn, and Towers asked for all 30 ballparks for Upton, why doesn’t San Diego’s FO take a bigger stand?

  153. tarikshah 5 years ago

    A couple of reasons perhaps:

    1) We don’t yet know who the PTBNL is. It may or may not impact the deal.
    2) As is, it’s a pretty fair haul for SD on a one year rental.
    3) Other GMs asked for the moon for Dunn and Upton and they have not been traded.

  154. 1. If the ptbnl isn’t a prime guy as gammons said, he may not impact the deal, unless it’s lowrie, given the Padres need at SS

    2. Rizzo shopped Dunn for one season, then half a season and still asked for the Roman empire

    3. I just think the Padres could’ve got another player out of the deal, maybe Ellsbury(given that he’s a Boras agent, and the Sox tend not to negotiate well with Boras agents)

  155. slider32 5 years ago

    Theo won’t pull the trigger because he’s worried about the luxury tax, he doesn’t want to appear like the Yankees.

  156. Dustroia15 5 years ago

    60…59…58….57

  157. missyae 5 years ago

    Rethinking this yet?

  158. zmoney10 5 years ago

    Im not saying it would be easy…Beltre wants to come back, as long as we give him the security. Justin Upton will cost A LOT but the guy is a beast. And notice how I said “look into Crawford or Werth”…not sign Crawford or Werth.

    But if this deal falls through over the money then I dont have any confidence in the redsox willing to spend ENOUGH of their money to get better.

  159. slider32 5 years ago

    The Sox have been after Gonzo for 2 yrs, but what they didn’t realize was that Gonzo didn’t want them, he wants to become a free agent.

  160. Ever heard of the word jinxing?

  161. RedSox2219 5 years ago

    Would you send 3 of your top 6 prospects for 1 year of any player?

  162. Purely speculation, and baseless at that. If Gonzo wasn’t interested, why would he even negotiate? He could’ve effectively blocked the trade by saying he will not negotiate an extension. Of course, this would severely hurt the Padres and his trade value.

  163. zmoney10 5 years ago

    I agree…no extension no deal.

  164. dickylarue 5 years ago

    The thing is if the Red Sox make the trade without the extension and don’t sign him as a free agent they would still recoup 2 draft picks to make up for the 3 kids once Gonzalez left as a free agent.

  165. Dustroia15 5 years ago

    Extreme bias, Sox farm system is ranked higher than Royals. Padres farm system is ranked last.

  166. RedSox2219 5 years ago

    Isn’t like those are not top prospects though. Boston has had whats been widely considered a top 10 farm. Kelly being a top 10 prospect in the league…

  167. Smrtbusnisman04 5 years ago

    Seen from the Point of View of ex Red Sox front office members Jed Hoyer and Josh Brynes!!!

  168. RedSox2219 5 years ago

    Who is to say that Gonzo doesn’t go to a team that has a protected pick?

  169. RedSox2219 5 years ago

    Royals system is #1 IMO.

  170. From reports on this very site…I mean he obviously can’t be directly quoted while he was still a member of the Padres, but a simple google search would bring up multiple links. Also Theo would be smart not to announce a deal right now. They are going to sign one of Crawford/Werth and multiple relievers. If they announce the deal now they’ll be paying millions in luxury tax money. If they simply wait until the first week of the season to announce the deal they’ll save a lot of money. But please, continue…

  171. Lee to the Yankees?*

  172. missyae 5 years ago

    There’s always soccer

  173. =/ why can’t the Rangers get Grienke and the Yankees get Lee. Everybody wins, right?

  174. =/ why can’t the Rangers get Grienke and the Yankees get Lee. Everybody wins, right?

  175. Dustroia15 5 years ago

    Pretty sad that you can’t route for your team to win, just others to lose.

  176. baseball52 5 years ago

    You could have a middle of the road system with 3 stud prospects. Basing your argument off of rankings is rather flawed to a point.

  177. baseball52 5 years ago

    Also, who’s to say that they get equal value players?

  178. rzepczynski 5 years ago

    kelly top ten prospect in the league? ummmmmmm no….

  179. BoSoxSam 5 years ago

    It’s already happening =

  180. Emanny 5 years ago

    At least Theo has rings. What has Omar accomplished aside from one NL East title? He’s responsible for all of the bloated contracts on the roster. You know, the ones preventing us from spending money this off season.

  181. Well, if I may add, Theo didn’t bring in Manny Ramirez nor Josh Becket and Mike Lowell. So we don’t owe Epstein that much anyways. I agree, he is Omar Minaya deux. On his way out soon too I hope.

  182. zmoney10 5 years ago

    I completely agree. Give it time. Worse case scenario is we get our prospects back and attempt to deal for a Fielder, J-Up or maybe even Gonzo again.

  183. missyae 5 years ago

    No, Theo is doing a good enough job of making the fans look like idiots, he doesn’t need any help from us.

  184. “or maybe even Gonzo again.”

    lol what?

  185. proof2006 5 years ago

    do you really want fielder for 5-7 years?

  186. I don’t know where you get that whether the trade goes through or not is “strictly up to Boston”. Trades involve two or more teams. San Diego could turn around and say “no dice” now that Boston pretty much backed out.

  187. Remember, San Diego has the rights to the player because he’s under contract to them and not to Boston. The final decision comes from the Padres….

  188. eviola1 5 years ago

    So now you lose Beltre, Martinez, and you aren’t even getting AGon. Like are you guys even going to finish in the top 4 in the AL East next year?

  189. This isn’t a Red Sox only board. Deal with it.

  190. Sawksfan 5 years ago

    Hey MLBTR mod, I see about 20 posts here that are about as edit-worthy as you just took off for me. How about a little help huh?

  191. Fever Pitch Guy 5 years ago

    I have no idea what you are talking about.

    San Diego already agreed to the trade, they already agreed to the players they would be receiving. What do they care if the Red Sox are able to work out a contract extension? Why would San Diego call off the deal just because an extension isn’t signed? Makes no sense.

  192. Fever Pitch Guy 5 years ago

    The Red Sox didn’t back out of the deal, they just couldn’t (or didn’t want to) come to an agreement on a contract extension.

    I know it’s confusing because much of the media is saying “Deal is dead”, but they are actually referring to the contract extension and then probably assuming (wrongly) the trade is dead. Some of them have already stated the trade is NOT dead.

  193. Emanny 5 years ago

    I admire your optimism.

  194. BoSoxSam 5 years ago

    Taking that you’re ready to believe Jon Heyman already…

    You should stop picking on new commenters.

  195. stuffrokz03 5 years ago

    or bears.

  196. baseball52 5 years ago

    I just want to play video games, not a super home movie center.

  197. MB923 5 years ago

    Add me too, we can do Red Sox/Yankees online lol.

  198. BoSoxSam 5 years ago

    Ok you’re just taunting them and every other poster on here.

    I don’t think the comment should be deleted, but I think you’re completely wrong and you probably need to find a new team to follow. How is a perennial 90 win team a laughingstock? I don’t CARE how many things fall through in the offseason, if they’re still able to compete at a VERY HIGH level year after year, they are still a good team. I think you mean to say they’ve not met your own, very high, expectations in recent years. I’m sorry, but I’m glad the Red Sox haven’t completely sold out and started overpaying for every guy that shows up on the market.

    Now, I’m still frustrated that A-Gon isn’t working out right now. But I don’t think that’s cause for attacking the team like this. I mean seriously…its scary how fast some of you “fans” have turned on Boston.

  199. That is exactly my problem. They are content to be very good, but not great. They are not willing to go the extra mile to go head to head with the Yankees. They did during the first half of the decade. Not so anymore.

  200. $1519287 5 years ago

    Yes, posters can be banned. But banning is reserved for the worst cases, the continuous repeat offenders.

    Let’s keep things fun and civil.

  201. MB923 5 years ago

    lol that’s true. But the Cubs are a century and counting lol (sorry Tim Dierkes)

  202. PS3 is boss. I have had 360 since ’07 and after it died last month bought a PS3. The Show alone makes is better.

  203. BoSoxSam 5 years ago

    But we’re not rebuilding, nor are we nearly the trainwreck the Cubs were/are recently, or what the Astros just had to go through…we’re still a perennial good team.

    I’m content with that too, I guess. It’s still a lot of fun to watch them play. I don’t have to tell myself after a 5 game losing streak that “they’re rebuilding, they’ll be better in 4 years), because its the Red Sox and they haven’t been that bad for a LONG time, nor will they -become- that bad for a while either. I definitely think Boston is trying to compete; sometimes they’re cheap, like with A-Gon, and its frustrating. But we still know they’re going to make -some- moves this year, and it’ll likely bring us yet another very good team.

  204. MB923 5 years ago

    The Show is awesome, I still play it once in a while but mostly into Black Ops now. Add me if you want to, MY ps3 name is my screen name here lol

  205. MB923 5 years ago

    Least it wasn’t like the Jeter stories

  206. BoSoxSam 5 years ago

    (Kinda hard to have fun right now if you’re a Red Sox fan :P)

    But I’ll do my best to be civil!

  207. BoSoxSam 5 years ago

    (Kinda hard to have fun right now if you’re a Red Sox fan :P)

    But I’ll do my best to be civil!

  208. Guest 5 years ago

    why is it that a few months ago, if you saw comment removed, they were banned. now, no one gets banned.

  209. Guest 5 years ago

    why is it that a few months ago, if you saw comment removed, they were banned. now, no one gets banned.

  210. jurassiccarl 5 years ago

    Lucky for me I don’t care what you think. I’m entitled to an opinion too pal and my opinion is that the FO blew it. Sorry you don’t like it

  211. jurassiccarl 5 years ago

    Lucky for me I don’t care what you think. I’m entitled to an opinion too pal and my opinion is that the FO blew it. Sorry you don’t like it

  212. jt24 5 years ago

    and werth???

  213. sure. keep telling yourself that.

  214. Guest 5 years ago

    He’s clearly a money driven player, I don’t care how good he is, we don’t him!

  215. MEMO121989 5 years ago

    He’s clearly a money driven player, I don’t care how good he is, we don’t him!

  216. MEMO121989 5 years ago

    He’s clearly a money driven player, I don’t care how good he is, we don’t him!

  217. missyae 5 years ago

    And what player isn’t?

  218. Yastrzemski 5 years ago

    May I ask what team you root for?

  219. MEMO121989 5 years ago

    But, it’s not like there offering him like 10 Million yearly!

  220. John LeClair 5 years ago

    If he even mentions the word “Bridge” I think Tom Werner will tell John Henry to fire him right on the spot.

  221. John LeClair 5 years ago

    It’s either that or He’s going to get thrown off of a bridge! LOL

  222. I was just commenting on another thread, I was very disappointed in the overall coverage of this story (not just MLBTR, but the writers themselves too)….so many assumptions, misleading “leaks”….

  223. Latrappe 5 years ago

    It’s a ” Rumours ” site…

  224. Yes, I realize that…but the headline of this thread says “Trade Falls through..” It never fell through, the only part that did was the extension.

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