Adrian Gonzalez Trade Falls Through

SUNDAY, 5:17pm: The Red Sox still have not given up on pulling off a deal for Gonzalez and there remains a chance that they could do a trade without agreeing to an extension, tweets Heyman.

2:45pm: Odds are that Gonzalez won't wind up with the Red Sox, a source tells Morosi (via Twitter), though the reporter cautions that this could change quickly.  Meanwhile, a rival executive told Rosenthal (via Twitter) that the possibility of a deal happening won't die unless the Red Sox turn around and sign Adrian Beltre.  The third baseman may have lost a suitor this afternoon as it seems that the A's will turn their attention elsewhere.

2:19pm: The possibility of Gonzalez going to Boston isn't dead yet, a source tells Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (via Twitter).

2:00pm: Late Thursday, a Padres source indicated that the club wouldn't field more offers for Gonzalez if the deal with Boston didn't work out, Heyman tweets. 

1:56pm: Even though the window is closed for an extension, the two teams can still work out a deal, tweets Rosenthal.

1:43pm: The deal fell through, a source tells Jon Heyman of SI (via Twitter).

1:32pm: Boston might be okay with just laying out parameters with Gonzalez and finalizing a deal during Spring Training if the slugger is healthy, says Joel Sherman of the New York Post (via Twitter).

1:13pm: The BoSox could still make the deal without an extension, provided that the parameters are close, Heyman tweets.  Going into overtime may not be an issue as the league understands the significance of the player and the situation, Heyman adds (via Twitter).

1:07pm: As of a couple of minutes before the 1pm CST (2pm EST) deadline, both sides were at a standstill, tweets Alex Speier of WEEI.

12:41pm: Gonzalez's camp doesn't want to discuss an extension unless it happens now, tweets Dan Hayes of the North County Times.  He adds that this could be a sticking point in the talks.

12:29pm: Unsurprisingly, there is a strong sense in the Gonzalez talks that the BoSox won't make the trade unless there is an understanding that a deal can be reached, Buster Olney of ESPN tweets.  The negotiating deadline is at 1pm CST.

10:11am: CSNNE.com's Sean McAdam and Dan Hayes of the North County Times provide conflicting updates: McAdam tweets that there's a "good feeling" following talks that continued through the night. On the other hand, Hayes tweets that the two sides are at something of an impasse, and there's a chance the trade won't happen. The negotiating deadline is now less than three hours away.

8:26am: Heyman (Twitter link) hears that teams discussing Gonzalez with the Padres told San Diego they only wanted to talk parameters for an extension because of the slugger's shoulder issue. As Alex Speier of WEEI.com explains, however, the surgically repaired shoulder isn't the only reason it might make sense to postpone an official extension – the Red Sox could save millions in luxury taxes by waiting until the season begins to ink a deal.

Meanwhile, an AL executive tells Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe that he thinks Gonzalez is seeking an eight-year contract worth about $160MM. Cafardo suggests that, while the Sox may not go that high, a compromise seems likely. The negotiating window closes in just a few hours, so we should get some resolution soon.

SATURDAY, 10:34pm: The Red Sox suggested a six-year contract at some point during the negotiations according to Heyman (Twitter links), but they don't want to do a contract on par with Mark Teixeira's eight year, $180MM pact.

9:26pm: Heyman tweets that the Red Sox might be willing to make the trade without signing Gonzalez to an extension. They might actually prefer to just talk about contract parameters now, then see how his surgically repaired shoulder holds up in Spring Training. In the off chance that the trade does not happen, the Padres would keep Gonzalez and not field offers.

8:41pm: In a pair of tweets, SI.com's Jon Heyman says that the two sides are optimistic about reaching a deal before tomorrow's deadline. He adds that even though Gonzalez, David Ortiz, and J.D. Drew are all left-handed hitters, the Red Sox would not be discouraged from pursuing Carl Crawford, another lefty bat.

7:22pm: Nick Cafardo of The Boston Globe reports that the two sides have not yet reached an agreement, but they're still trying. He notes that if they can't work out a contract, the Red Sox could still choose to go forward with the trade if they feel they've made enough progress and are confident they could extend Gonzalez in the future.

5:21pm: With all of the players agreed to and the physical passed, the only thing left before the Adrian Gonzalez trade can be made official is a new contract. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports (via Twitter) that the first baseman and his new team won't have very long to negotiate; the deadline is 2pm ET on Sunday.

Earlier today we heard that Gonzalez was seeking a Ryan Howard-like contract, and in the past a deal on par with Mark Teixeira's has been rumored


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956 Comments on "Adrian Gonzalez Trade Falls Through"


Jim Behrle
4 years 7 months ago

PAY THE MAN

Fever Pitch Guy
4 years 7 months ago

“Odds are that Gonzalez won’t wind up with the Red Sox, a source tells Morosi (via Twitter), though the reporter cautions that this could change quickly.”

Gotta love it!

So at this very moment Adrian Gonzalez most likely won’t be joining the Red Sox, but two minutes from now he could become a member of the Red Sox.

What a wonderful way to spend a Sunday afternoon …

generalbocephus
4 years 7 months ago

Hilarious!!!!!

ESPN, always having to be first forgets the one little piece of detail to make the deal happen. AN 8 YEAR $180 MILLION CONTRACT.

runaway3124
4 years 7 months ago

They wouldn’t have gotten into this trade without knowing the kind of money he would want and kind of money they are gonna have to pay him. Time to pay up Theo!

dizzle4
4 years 7 months ago

I’m a bit confused with this. What happens if (not that it’s likely, but) they don’t come to terms? Would the trade be scrapped?

Reaper87
4 years 7 months ago

I believe so, it sounds like the trade is conditional on a long-term contract for AGone

start_wearing_purple
4 years 7 months ago

Well that’s the fun and weird part about negotiating windows. The deal officially dies but there’s nothing that stops them from proposing the deal again to the Pads, them accepting, and getting another window. Also if they’re at 1:59 ET and they’ve got a basic agreement (basic years, total contract is worth, etc) but they just need to hammer out the minor details then they’ll get an extension.

daveypinstripes
4 years 7 months ago

I could be wrong, but in MLB negotiating windows like this are not normally allowed. I believe the commissioner has given them an exception.

Jessamynn
4 years 7 months ago

I’m pretty certain that you’re correct.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 7 months ago

Eh, I just remember it being mentioned during the Santana negotiating window. There was a comment that said there was no stopping the Mets and Twins from trying again and they did get a last minute extension to hammer out details.

4 years 7 months ago

possibly, or they could make the trade and hope to sign him before the end of the season.

Fever Pitch Guy
4 years 7 months ago

If they don’t come to terms, the Red Sox have the option to back out of the deal.

I promise you they won’t back out of the deal, as a matter of fact it would be to their advantage to hold off on an official extension until after the 2011 season starts. That way the AAV of the extension would not impact the 2011 luxury tax payroll.

An extension will get done between now and April, no doubt about it. They will probably settle for a 7-year extension.

4 years 7 months ago

Gonzalez will get paid well by the sox.

4 years 7 months ago

i will laugh uncontrollably if this deal doesn’t actually happen…

Fangaffes
4 years 7 months ago

Perhaps you should prepare a change of underwear, just in case.

basemonkey
4 years 7 months ago

It’s a win for the Sox if they can get this done. It would prevent one of the better marquee players in recent memory to reach free agency.

4 years 7 months ago

pujols? mauer? Tulo?

4 years 7 months ago

reading is fundamental …. It states it prevents ONE of the better marquee players. ONE!

4 years 7 months ago

pujols? mauer? Tulo?

4 years 7 months ago

pujols? mauer? Tulo?

dc21892
4 years 7 months ago

There is almost no reason for this extension to not get done. Theo and the Sox front office knew getting involved that they were going to have to pay him. This should be the easiest part of the deal. Get it done!

Dave_Gershman
4 years 7 months ago

7yr/$165MM

start_wearing_purple
4 years 7 months ago

I’m thinking 5yr/$115M-$125. He’s only 28, a shorter deal would set him up for another large pay day.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 7 months ago

true, I think he wants the security though. I mean how often do you get to play for the Boston Red Sox? And if it is 5 years, he won’t be signed by the Phillies or Yankees after. The Royals will be good bby they’ll have Hosmer, Braves will have Freeman, some team will have Prince.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 7 months ago

All I know is by hook or by crook Adrian Gonzalez’s press conference to announce him in a Red Sox uni will be early next week. Sox want him and can pay, Gonzalez wants a payday and knows the Sox want him and can pay him.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 7 months ago

Yes, I want to be paid as well, but he think he wants to be paid and get years, which will result in more overall money.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 7 months ago

I meant pay as in both money and years.

Fangaffes
4 years 7 months ago

My guess is they already have dollars and years worked out and now they’re fighting over the shoulder injury clause. Remember, it’s Theo.

4 years 7 months ago

Bingo!

peterherman
4 years 7 months ago

That was the same thought that went through my head when Howard came up as a comparable instead of Teixeira.

dc21892
4 years 7 months ago

I’ll drink to that.

4 years 7 months ago

4.8 mil to 23 mil a year. Lol. Yeah right.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 7 months ago

So he’s under a team friendly deal? He’s going to get more than I suggested.

vtadave
4 years 7 months ago

So you don’t think he’ll get slightly-less than Ryan Howard money at worst? Explain.

4 years 7 months ago

Ryan Howard has averaged over 45 homers a year(58 being his highest). AGon has hit 40 homers once in a year (next highest 36) and averages over 100 k’s a year and so does Ryan Howard. How does AGon deserve more money than Ryan Howard? He doesn’t. You can go ahead and say oh well he didn’t hit that many homers because of where he played. Fact is, you don’t and shouldn’t get paid for something you could potentially do. You get paid for what you have already done and he has not been a better hitter than Ryan Howard.

4 years 7 months ago

“How does AGon deserve more money than Ryan Howard?” Because he is better, simple as that. Put Howard in the Grand Canyon called Petco, with the lack of protection that Agon has had, and Howard might average 30 HRs (if he is lucky), and then he still isn’t the defensive 1B that Agon is. How many Gold Gloves for Howard? Gonxalez has 2.

4 years 7 months ago

In addition, Ryan Howard is a former MVP, Silver Slugger, Hank Aaron award winner, World Series winner, and Rookie of the Year. AGon has 2 gold gloves and that’s it.

4 years 7 months ago

Are you seriously making this argument? Aside from the stated obvious that you have completely different home ball parks there is the whole sense of protection in the Philly lineup that San Diego lacks beyond any quantifiable measure. Not only does Howard hit after utley he hit before Werth. Who the hell hits in front of or behind A-Gon? I have no freaking clue who because it kept changing. There is no GM in the world who wouldn’t put Gonzalez in the same league as Howard.

Also what have we learned from paying people from what they have done? As a Met fan I know this darn well that that is a mistake(see example of Santana, Bay, Castillo, Delgado, K-Rod, Perez…) GMs pay for what that player is EXPECTED to do in the future, AGENTS use what that player has done to negotiate a contract. By your logic we should be paying old Veterans 30+ million a year, see Jeter. Anyway I bet you a healthy A-Gon in a Red Sox Uni will out-stat Ryan Howard any day.

4 years 7 months ago

And paying someone for what they potentially could do sounds more logical too right? Lol. Yea okay. You don’t get something that you haven’t earned. I don’t doubt that Adrien Gonzalez has the potential to put up better numbers than Ryan Howard but the fact is, he hasn’t and he doesn’t have the resume to prove it.

baseball52
4 years 7 months ago

FACEPALM!

BoSoxSam
4 years 7 months ago

The small window + the fact that they haven’t even started negotiations yet makes me think that they’re already pretty close.

inns13
4 years 7 months ago

Gonzalez has got to have most of the leverage here…. he can always say, “well, I’ll just see what everyone else will give me next winter”.

BoSoxSam
4 years 7 months ago

And Theo can say “from who?”

Only a couple teams with major 1B openings PLUS the big bucks to make a deal happen, and I think both parties know that now.

4 years 7 months ago

I’m pretty sure the Angels would sign him.

4 years 7 months ago

Did Kendry Morales get kidnapped back to Cuba by Castro? No? Oh, nevermind…

4 years 7 months ago

Did Kendry Morales get kidnapped back to Cuba by Castro? No? Oh, nevermind…

inns13
4 years 7 months ago

Man, can I give myself a thumbs up for this one?
/arrogant

😀

EarlyMorningBoxscore
4 years 7 months ago

Theo time to open up the man purse and pay Adrian what he wants. They Sox have to get this extension done they are too far into it to let it fall through because of money when you have the second highest payroll in baseball. Also, if it fell through the fans would take the bridge Theo mentioned last season strap him and management to it, and burn it to the ground.

wickedkevin
4 years 7 months ago

Theo: It’s where I keep all my things. Get a lot of compliments on this. Plus it’s not a purse, it’s called a satchel. Indiana Jones wears one.

not_brooks
4 years 7 months ago

So does Joy Behar.

Muggi
4 years 7 months ago

If Theo starts dressing like Indiana at all times, hat/whip/satchel etc, I will instantly become a Sox fan.

John LeClair
4 years 7 months ago

That me LOL Hahahahahahaha

John LeClair
4 years 7 months ago

That me LOL Hahahahahahaha

John LeClair
4 years 7 months ago

That me LOL Hahahahahahaha

4 years 7 months ago

No offense to you, more of a general question, but when does quoting “The Hangover” stop being funny?
My unfunny boss refered to a client as “Fat Jesus” the other day, minutes after telling me that he and his wife watched the movie for the first time over the weekend.I mean, I think the thing has gone too mainstream to really be cool enough to quote anymore. Office Space quotes still work because that movie is, and has remained, a cult classic precisely because of the lack of box office success.I guess what I’m trying to say is, all of the one liners are already played out, and you are accelerating the death sentence here.

Dustroia15
4 years 7 months ago

You are so cool Ryan. Everyone listen to Ryan if you want to me cool, too.

wickedkevin
4 years 7 months ago

My first or second time ever quoting the movie. 99% of the time I just relate my day to Seinfeld.

wickedkevin
4 years 7 months ago

My first or second time ever quoting the movie. 99% of the time I just relate my day to Seinfeld.

BoSoxSam
4 years 7 months ago

But….Office Space sucks.

moonraker45
4 years 7 months ago

I rather listen to “played out” one liners then have to read the pointless drivel you come up with

YanksFanSince78
4 years 7 months ago

7/$161 mil

Die_Hard_Sox_Fanatic
4 years 7 months ago

7/$161 sounds like a bit of a low-ball number. He is worth more, and im sure his camp knows it. He only has 5 full seasons in the majors, and generally hits 30+ homeruns. Any baseball fan would tell you that hitting 30+ homers and playing 81 or 162 games in a park like San Diego’s is no small feat. Get this guy in a Red Sox uni, and in some of the smaller AL parks, and he’ll easily hit 40 or 40+. I would expect to see something in the ballpark of about 7/$180 or 7/$175. Have to wait and see but I cant see any way the Sox dont figure out every bit of this and make it happen. If they have made it to this point, it is a definate, after Texiera, there is no way this deal dies, no way.

dc21892
4 years 7 months ago

That’s just under 23M a season. How is that a low-ball number?

EarlyMorningBoxscore
4 years 7 months ago

Yeah haven’t you heard? We are in one of the worst recessions in recent memory, but Adrian Gonzalez NEEDS 25 million a year or more to live. In all seriousness I agree with you just under 23MM a season sounds more than fair.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 7 months ago

Well 7/$161 is $23 mil per.

dc21892
4 years 7 months ago

Ah, I figured it was a little less since 7/165 was a little over. Didn’t take the time to really look at it.

slider32
4 years 7 months ago

Think about it, Gonzo has all the leverage on this one. 7/161 sounds about right!

Qabalist
4 years 7 months ago

Even in Recessions you try to make as much as you can. Why you hatin’ on someone else trying to make the green?

zartan
4 years 7 months ago

Fair has nothing to do with sports. If life was fair, you wouldn’t have a .188 hitter (Mark Reynolds) making 7 million a year.

HipNip2009
4 years 7 months ago

Seems to me like Gonzalez has Theo over a barrel. I agree, he’s worth much more than Werth. (no pun intended)

Dave_Gershman
4 years 7 months ago

CC?

By all accounts, Adrian Gonzalez is a better hitter than CC.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 7 months ago

Comparing a pitcher to a 1B? Really?

MaineSox
4 years 7 months ago

Or a LF

Dave_Gershman
4 years 7 months ago

Making a joke making a joke

Qabalist
4 years 7 months ago

C.C. did carry the Yanks on his back to a WS title in 09. He had a great post season.

Fangaffes
4 years 7 months ago

Hah! Wasn’t that Jeter’s initial demand?

Holidayjesus
4 years 7 months ago

Why do I have a feeling that they already have agreed terms to a contract extension. I mean, the Padres agreed to trade to the Red Sox about 30 hours before the trade was even really near being announced. lol

4 years 7 months ago

becuase they more th

not_brooks
4 years 7 months ago

No problems here. The Sox need him and he wants to play there. Something will get done with plenty of time to spare.

Slopeboy
4 years 7 months ago

I find this just absolutely surprising that the RS wouldn’t have gotten at least the verbel committment from Gonzales’ agent regarding money before going through all the machinations on this deal. Have to hope that the Sox FO doesn’t get cute with the same act that they tried with the Teixiera deal. The Red Sox have the history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

4 years 7 months ago

I’d say it worked out pretty good with the non A-Rod trade.

Slopeboy
4 years 7 months ago

How so?

0bsessions
4 years 7 months ago

…they won a World Series less than twelve months later, running over A-Rod to do it on the back of one of the guys who they were supposed to trade for him (Manny). Additionally, the centerpiece (Prospectwise) from that deal is now our ace. On top of that, had the trade gone through, the Sox likely wouldn’t have made the Schilling move. In hindsight, it’s hard to argue that that deal falling through was anything but a godsend to the Sox.

slider32
4 years 7 months ago

I agree, the Sox don’t want to blow this one, it’s time for them to put their money where their mouth is , they have been after this guy for 2 years, and his agent knows that they have alot of money to spend.

safari_punch
4 years 7 months ago

Look for the deal to fall apart, A-Gone then hits FA and the Yankees sign him for $25 million per to pitch hit/DH.

4 years 7 months ago

that is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard

vtadave
4 years 7 months ago

That’s typical of him.

4 years 7 months ago

so what is tex/arod going to do? arod isnt going to be at the hot corner for much longer

Qabalist
4 years 7 months ago

I think A-Rod can play well there for another 4-5 years. If his hip holds up.

4 years 7 months ago

Who set this deadline, anyway?

Reaper87
4 years 7 months ago

MLB set it. Epstein had to ask for an exception to be made to even get the window, most times these kind of negotiation opportunities aren’t allowed

Bob George
4 years 7 months ago

Not true, these windows to negotiate an extension to consummate a trade are allowed frequently. Almost every season at least once a year this type of deal happens.

A couple of examples that pop off the top of my head:
Roy Halladay to the Phillies.
Johan Santana to the Mets.
Randy Johnson to the Yankees.

slider32
4 years 7 months ago

Yes, and 33% of the time they don’t work, because its like Christmas morning when your a kid, it never quite meets your exspectations.

Reaper87
4 years 7 months ago

With the amount of trades that happen per year, I think saying frequently is way overstating it. Basically what you said is that in mega-deals involving superstars, MLB lets it go down.

Bob George
4 years 7 months ago

Which is about once a year. It’s not a rare occurrence.

0bsessions
4 years 7 months ago

Mega-deals is about the only time someone’s likely to care. I doubt the Yankees were particularly high on the idea of getting the chance to lock up Kerry Wood long term…

Reaper87
4 years 7 months ago

That is true, but all I said is examples of this being allowed is the exception, not the rule. Mega-deals typically happen about once every year to 18 months or so, which I just do not think you can say is “often” compared to the number of deals teams make all the time

tripperdimauro
4 years 7 months ago

6yrs/140mm is my guess.

also, with the rangers potentially courting konerko, how would the green monster fair on a mr Vladimir Guerrero, if they fail to snag Crawford or Werth

another wet dream im sure

fitz
4 years 7 months ago

Crawford – Capable of playing the OF
Werth – Capable of playing the OF
Vlad – Not capable of playing the OF

David Ortiz – Full time DH

Not going to happen.

tripperdimauro
4 years 7 months ago

grab prince next offseason, nobody can pay him what the sox can

jacoby LF
pedroia 2b
gonzalez1b
youk 3b
prince DH
werth RF
kalish LF
saltalamacchia C
lowrie/iglesias SS

so much more money coming off the books next yr too

Tyler Sekula
4 years 7 months ago

Dude you have like some of the worst ideas ever.. there are going to be teams after Prince next year..hes not going to want to sign a deal just to be a DH…other teams will pay him enough so he chooses to go to another team. Saying “no one can pay him what the red sox can” is just making us red sox fans look stupid.

tripperdimauro
4 years 7 months ago

first off relax, most of my posts are pipe dreams. i didnt realize i didnt make that clear, i tried to post this thing like 3 times each time before, saying it was a fantasy, the last time i didnt i guess.

second. i actually see the nationals or orioles making a huge push for prince as they dont have any 1bs in their plans. the nationals have vocalized how they like carlos pena and the orioles were “in” on the texiera bidding.

tripperdimauro
4 years 7 months ago

and idc how lefty heavy it would make our line up, crawford makes the lineup, outfield, and team, more dynamic and scary.

nobody says how are we going to pitch to jayson werth. but everyone has to think about how theyre going to have to pitch to crawford and everyone behind him. same with ellsbury

thats what speed does to the game.

ppl get caught up in its flash. especially all the pink hats, but in reality they have a point where it changes games. SBs may not lead to runs directly but they can put you in better positions to score runs.

ellsbury, pedoria, and presumably crawford would be nice table setters for gonzalez and youkilis and ortiz

and i think whoever signs werth will have to watch out for when the full moon hits his beard, he might drop his glove and start howling as he turns into a werewolf

Ferrariman
4 years 7 months ago

i almost made a new account just to like this comment again.

Vmmercan
4 years 7 months ago

7 years/154…Why not?