AL East Links: Red Sox, Bautista, Wells, Jeter

Four American League East teams won at least 85 games last year. Here are some notes on AL East clubs, as they prepare to compete in baseball's most challenging division:

  • It's "doubtful" that the Red Sox will sign another pitcher to a Major League contract this offseason, reports's Alex Speier.  One reported Boston target, Joe Beimel, has already been offered a minor league deal by the Orioles and has three other teams interested.
  • The "belief" is that the Blue Jays will go to an arbitration hearing with Jose Bautista, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post.  There have been rumors that the Jays might avoid a hearing by signing Bautista to a long-term contract, but Bautista's agent told Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports that the team has yet to offer such a deal to the defending AL home run champion.  Check out our Arb Tracker for the latest.
  • Many of Bautista's current and former teammates believe Vernon Wells will thrive in L.A, Morosi writes.
  • Yankees GM Brian Cashman suggested this morning that Derek Jeter will likely shift to the outfield before his current deal expires, but he tells's Bryan Hoch that it's "not an issue we have to deal with right now" (Twitter link).
  • The Orioles have "limited funds" at this stage, according to Jon Heyman of (on Twitter).
  • Carl Crawford, who recently left one AL East team for another, plans to meet some of his former Rays teammates for dinner this spring, and B.J. Upton jokes that it will be a good chance for Crawford to put his new contract to good use. "I won’t be the first one to pull out my credit card,’’ Upton told Marc Topkin of the St. Petersburg Times (Twitter link).
  • Steve Melewski of discussed the challenges of developing healthy pitchers with Orioles scouting director Joe Jordan.
  • As Roch Kubatko of writes, the Orioles could sign a utility player to a minor league deal and have him compete for a job with Brendan Harris and Robert Andino.
  •'s Rob Bradford explains why Manny Ramirez's $2MM base salary isn't necessarily a bad omen for David Ortiz, who will hit free agency after 2011. Big Papi has continued to produce offensively, so Bradford suggests the slugger could be in line for an $8-9MM salary next offseason.

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  1. Rick Garcia 5 years ago

    papi needs to have a serious year to get $9mm

    • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

      I don’t even think that will help

      Vladdy had a pretty serious year last year. I doubt he gets over $5mil

      • Rick Garcia 5 years ago

        the age of the aging DH is dying!

        • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

          yup.. teams want flexibility and defensive versatility now….sup wit that?

          • Rick Garcia 5 years ago

            in all seriousness though i think its a good thing that teams are now looking to sign the players that best fit their teams as opposed to just signing a player because his name is recognizable by most…papi will find work next year…hes still a power, lefthanded hitter…probably go to an AL team that misses out on Prince Fielder

          • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

            well he’s def not going to the NL thats for sure.. I only see a couple matches for Papi to be honest.. its just not a primary DH market these days

          • Chuck345 5 years ago

            Maybe the Cardinals can put him in their outfield?

          • The_Silver_Stacker 5 years ago

            David Ortiz might make sense for the Rays, Rangers, or the O’s to consider him for 2012

          • The_Silver_Stacker 5 years ago

            It’s a good way to keep regulars legs fresh, it would be interesting if their was a stat sheet to show if hamstring or any other leg related injuries have been declining, it SEEMS like it has, but I could be wrong.

      • The_Silver_Stacker 5 years ago

        Teams are scared of his second half numbers from last year, and probably feel hes declining

        • 0bsessions 5 years ago

          Rightly so. That drastic dropoff in second half numbers is downright frightening from a guy who cannot play the field.

      • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

        It’ll help for one reason: his connection with Boston. I think that bond is still definitely strong enough for Boston to consider overpaying to keep him in town. They’re not going to go crazy…not going to give him a Jeter contract or anything, but if he brings his price down to the 7-9mm range, I could see Boston giving that to him. Maybe even do a two-year deal if that would take him to the end of his career, so he can finish it in Boston. Besides, its not like Boston is in a huge rush to clear out that DH slot…Lars Anderson or Ryan Lavarnway are probably the best in-house candidates for the job, and neither make a truly compelling case. Lavarnway MAYBE, in a couple of years if he continues to outperform…but otherwise. And after that they’d be hard-pressed to find on the open market a healthy, young DH who can guarantee bigger production than Ortiz. Their other fulltime options there would just be a collection of other old, breaking-down players…they might as well stick with the town hero.

        • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

          but then how will they sign Pujols?

          • ellisburks 5 years ago

            Not to be too serious but Pujols in his career has played 1B, 3B, and the outfield so there is potential to move him. Not that any team would. But on the other hand Youkilis has also played 1B, 3B and the outfield and this is JD’s last year so it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibilities that the Red Sox could put Pujols at 3rd, A-Gone at first and Youkilis in Right Field. Will that happen in my lifetime? No, probably not. But you never know in baseball.

  2. thesnydes3000 5 years ago

    Those $2MM bad omens are the worst. I hate when that happens to me.

  3. LifeLongYankeeFan 5 years ago

    I wonder if the Yankees would sign Ortiz on a 1 or 2 year deal as their DH. The only thing is maybe they want to make A-Rod the DH after this year when Posada will retire or maybe they think A-Rod has 1 or 2 more years at 3B and they’ll go after Ortiz. If Ortiz would sign with the Yankees that is.

    • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

      cheers to a $30,000,000 DH!

      • LifeLongYankeeFan 5 years ago

        Will the A-Rod bashing ever end jeez lol. He is still a pretty good player.

    • 0bsessions 5 years ago

      I don’t see why he wouldn’t if they’re the only team willing to pony up, which they could very well be. He honestly wouldn’t be a terrible option for the Yankees out of the DH spot.

      • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

        I imagine Montero would probably move to DH, especially if Romine is ready.

        • LifeLongYankeeFan 5 years ago

          That’s if they don’t trade Montero for an ace type pitcher this year. Its going to be an interesting season.

          • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

            Well..obviously. I honestly don’t think there will be a “true” ace like pitcher on the market during the season. After the season, maybe, as teams might decide to move potential 2012 FA in their last year. I don’t see Montero being moved for EJ, CJ Wilson or Buerhle though. Probably not even Carpenter.

          • The_Silver_Stacker 5 years ago

            If the Indians start terribly in 11′, I would imagine the best pitcher available would be Carmona, but I do not think he is worth getting for Montero

      • LifeLongYankeeFan 5 years ago

        No very true the guy can still rake and he did win last years hr derby.

    • Jason Klinger 5 years ago

      The Yankees’ pocketbook might be deep, but they can only carry so many DHs on their roster.

    • The_Silver_Stacker 5 years ago

      Ortiz a Yankee? Not a chance. The Yankees are going to want to keep that DH spot open to give A-Rod, Jeter, and possibly Montero time there.

  4. joeybw 5 years ago

    haha, nice one Upton

    hey where is Vlad gonna wind up? If the Rays wanna punt defense and use all their money on bats, they can sign him too, for 1B/DH when Manny is resting

    • LifeLongYankeeFan 5 years ago

      Why not 2 or 3 years ago the Rays were this team of young hungry players and in one offseason they’re offering contracts to people who are a year away from getting their aarp cards lol.

      • budman3 5 years ago

        Because they could afford to spend 7 million dollars on two old guys who they think can make them legitimate contenders again for this season…and this season only.

  5. slider32 5 years ago

    Why is it so hard for fans to understand that players get paid on past performance and the projection of future performance which is not too reliable. Although its better than most jobs where people are paid by years of experience.

  6. BoSoxSam 5 years ago

    I will quickly point out, in respect to Ortiz possibly getting 8-9mm, is that in 2010 he did manage a 3.3 WAR (according to fangraphs). They value 1 WAR at about 5m, so technically a salary of 10m for 2012 would still be worth it even if he drops a full 1 WAR below his 2010 production. So I guess its whether you believe in the 2009 Ortiz or the 2010 Ortiz, as he only earned 0.8 WAR in ’09. The 2010 Ortiz will still show decline over the next couple of years, but he could definitely be worth his salary.

    Now, I realize its not just the worth of his salary, but how supply and demand are currently shaping his market. However, I think that doesn’t quite apply to Ortiz as much in his case with Boston, simply because of his relationship to the team. I think its a much smaller version of the Jeter deal we had this winter…in this case, Boston may pay Ortiz more around what his value “would” be in a higher-demand market, rather than try and get him to adjust to the current setting.

    • Just wondering but what were Vlad and Thome’s WAR?

      Also I do not see why people are down on Vlad. Look at his month by month numbers not just pre and post AS game. He had a horrible July. He had a so-so August. And finished the season strong in September with a .323/ .359/ .521 line. Hard not to like a guy who will hit ya 25+ HRs 100+ RBI and strikes out only 10% of the time.

      Name another player who has played 14 seasons and his lowest B.Ave was .295.

      • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

        I’m with ya, Shawn. I think Vlad is still a capable hitter, and he could definitely produce for a major league team. His problem right now is just finding someone with a spot for him. The fact that he can’t play defense is a big problem for him right now; teams either already have old can’t-defend players hitting DH for them (Boston w/Ortiz as example), or are using their DH slot to rotate their older guys or utility players to make perfect matchups (the Rays..Yankees, although mostly with the older guys for them…you see I have an AL East focus :P). The problem ends up being that the teams who would be interested mostly only have a backup or platoon slot available for him, and he, rightly, believes that his 2010 performance warrants a starting position. However, he seems to be becoming this years Jermaine Dye, a guy who could definitely still play major league baseball, but really doesn’t have any suitors that can offer more than a seat on the bench.

        As for WAR, Jim Thome had a better year than Ortiz, with a 3.6 WAR year. Guerrero only got 2.6 WAR, but they both have relatively similar numbers to Papi. And this is about what I figured would show up…I guess, maybe Thome’s deal this year could be used as comparison for Ortiz next year. But, Thome has been the utility guy for a couple teams lately now, and it seems he’s accepted this new role given to him. Ortiz still has his ego, and again I think the folk hero factor will play out similar to Jeter. He’ll get overpaid sure, but all I’m saying is I think if we’re judging simply by what his production for the team is worth (by fangraphs WAR, at least), he could then be “worth” an 8-9mm salary.

  7. slider32 5 years ago

    It might be that Manny is still a better hitter than Papi. Over the last three years Manny beats Papi in Avg, OBP,SLG, and WRC according to fangraphs. Read the article on Manny vs. Vlad. This article is just another example of sour grapes in Boston since they haven’t won the series since Manny left.

    • RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

      Manny, much like his supporters, is an arse who cares only about himself! He is everything an athlete shouldn’t be as a person and he was no more important than Schilling, Foulke, Papi, Damon, Lowell or Beckett for our championships! You probably think that murderer of thousands of our troops, George W. Bush, was a great president too!

      • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

        you should change your screen name to Bitter McBittington

      • TwinsVet 5 years ago

        Please keep your politics out of this. Nobody reads MLBTR to hear anybody’s opinion on which politician is a “murderer”.

        • RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

          You’re former Governor, Jesse The Body, would disagree Twinkie!

          • MaineSox 5 years ago

            You’ve got no idea what you’re talking about. Apparently that extends beyond baseball too…

        • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

          Just about whose team’s GM is a d0uche, whose wife was spat upon and who MUST be using ‘roids ’cause “He didn’t hit like that last year”.

      • slider32 5 years ago

        Watch out Sox fans Manny and Johnny are coming to town, the Rays might even sign Boggs and Roger!

        • LifeLongYankeeFan 5 years ago

          No the Yankees are gonna sign Boggs and Roger back off!

  8. Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

    “another example of sour grapes in Boston since they haven’t won the series since Manny left.”

    Thats stupid!

  9. slider32 5 years ago

    I can’ wait until Manny goes into the hall of fame wearing a Sox hat.

    • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

      LOL !!!! great comment

      • RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

        Get a room you two!

        • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 5 years ago

          get a brain

          or rather, don’t. Its easier to make fun of you that way

          • RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

            That lame funk music has destroyed your mind Scarecrow! even countrys better at this point!

          • Snoochies8 5 years ago

            It’s because of people like you i refuse to ever go back to boston…ever…

            and that accent, sheesh, it’s caR, not caH

          • RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

            Stay on the Jersey Shore where you belong SNOOKIE!
            And those pickles, sheesh, and that poof!

    • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

      Wouldn’t it be epic if he could go in ala Boggs donning a Rays cap?! He can walk up to the podium with a Red Sox cap in his hand, gather up the dreds, then whip out the Rays cap and point to Yaz in the crowd and say “Do ya like apples (slips on cap), well how about ‘dem apples”?

  10. Rabbitov 5 years ago

    Orioles limited funds? What a joke! They haven’t spent money in about 10 years and have made a solid profit on top of that, and yet don’t have the funds to sign a DH for a year who by all accounts wont be very expensive?

    The O’s have signed 4 FAs this offseason. 1 is a 1 year contract for a first baseman, and the others pay a little over 10 this year for 2 relievers. Lastly Cesar Izturis as a backup IF. Even with Reynold and Hardy on the books, Wigginton, Mora, Hendrickson, Millwood (who was VERY expensive last year) are all off the books. How do they not have funds?

    This is absolutely mind boggling.

    • Peter Angelos = Beelzebub

    • I am guessing its one of 2 things:

      1. Its a trick to make free agents think they can’t overpay for them.
      2. The lack of people coming to the ball park has finally taken its toll.

      I am still trying to figure out when they will stop playing as a small market team. Everyone knows during their good seasons in ’96 & ’97 they had the highest payroll in baseball. And that was before they had their own network and were getting money from MLB for allowing the Nationals in their market.

  11. TwinsVet 5 years ago

    Is Morosi really making an argument for Wells based on RBI’s? Paid writers shouldn’t be allowed to do things like that.

  12. AngelHater 5 years ago

    “Many of Bautista’s current and former teammates believe Vernon Wells will thrive in L.A, Morosi writes.”

    That’s odd, I didn’t know Wells was going to play in L.A.

  13. Is it just me or is this comment by Bautista’s agent going to piss off the Jays. They have a blanket policy of not talking about things like that.

    • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

      maybe.. but all he said was nothing happened yet..

      I think they would be more upset if the Jays did offer them something..

      as of right now, he just confirmed that nothing has happened

  14. Seriously dude… Get a life.

  15. He wasnt voted in for any of the all star games. He was a managers choice all 3 times. Nice try though.

  16. Is Heyman full of bullstuff? Can you really just chose not to disclose cash involved in a deal like that? It doesn’t change my opinion of the trade but it still seems like $5 million is a quite a but of money not to report.

  17. $1545094 5 years ago

    I don’t trust Heyman. the Angels are getting $5 million? but did not report it because they did not want to? Angles GM gets blasted for not taking money with Wells, but in fact he did take $5 million and didn’t feel like letting Angels fans know that? $5 MIL isn’t exactly a lot for baseball, but I’m sure it would have looked a little better to Angels fans?

    the Jays should NOT sign Bautista long term. one season no matter how great it was does not mean a team should sign that player long term for what that player would be asking. let Bautista go into 2011 and if then he is still producing the Jays can approach him about a contract extension.
    seeing that the Jays have not approached him about a contract extension I would assume then that the Jays would not be doing so. if the Jays right now really had any thoughts about a contract extension I’m sure they would have had discussions before now.

    • grownice 5 years ago

      You honestly think the angels fans are saying” oh he got 5 million? oh that completely makes sense now!” lmao

    • That makes absolutely zero sense. IF they are going to sign him to an extension, you sign him now when there is still a little bit of mutual risk in the fact that the Jays dont know if he will repeat, and neither does he. You may still be able to get him in the 3 year 35 mil range. If you wait, and he gets off to an amazing start, the Jays are pretty much screwed. 3/35 turns into 6/90 pretty quickly. From the other angle, if he gets off to a slow start, you lose any high end trade possibilities you may have had. I do agree with one thing, Heyman is an idiot.

      • mhunke 5 years ago

        I disagree, now is probably the worst time to sign him to an extension; Jose’s leverage could not be greater than just after his historic season which he’s 95% certain to never reproduce.

        Also, if Jose would really take 3/35, what does that say about his confidence that he’ll be able to reproduce 2010? If he really believes that he’s got it all figured out, why would he leave all that money on the table?

  18. The_Silver_Stacker 5 years ago

    LOL @ all the heated emotions on this comment section

  19. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    Really? I heard he was planning on financing the Pirates.

  20. Lunchbox45 5 years ago

    Angels will sign him to 3/70…. its only 3 years, no big deal

  21. qbass187 5 years ago

    Had you actually read the 3 paragraph article you’d know the answer to that question. Duh…

  22. My thoughts too. The Sox were kind enough to take his 2011 option rather than haggle over a $million or two but in a world where Manny at DH is costing $2 million, Ortiz will be lucky to get anything near 8/9 next season.

  23. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    I’d still take him over Wells.

  24. Lunchbox45 5 years ago

    for the price ya .

  25. Lunchbox45 5 years ago

    lol.. dem fighting words

  26. Lunchbox45 5 years ago

    that just wouldn’t work.. for a bunch of reasons

  27. The_Silver_Stacker 5 years ago

    Sure alot of players are not worth their contracts, but again supply and demand, teams over valuing certain players are just the beginning of many reasons why players get what their getting paid.

  28. We should use that for the owners too.

  29. Jason Klinger 5 years ago

    What happens when a guy needs that 100th run to trigger his bonus and the run producers go into a slump? You do not want that kind of finger-pointing going on in your team’s dugout. Pay for stats breeds divisiveness.

  30. Lunchbox45 5 years ago

    Jose Iglesias is the best prospect of all time. Not just in baseball. In any sport.
    Best prospect of all time.

  31. Lunchbox45 5 years ago

    your intelligence is insulting to other Red Sox fans.. and thats saying a lot.

  32. East Coast Bias 5 years ago

    You two crack me up hahaaha

  33. MaineSox 5 years ago

    I heard Pujols could play catcher…

  34. RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

    If you saw my Facebook account then I know I’m now looking at a jealous man in every way possible! Lol!

  35. RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

    Why would any opinion bother me coming from a Stalker like you again?

  36. Tko11 5 years ago

    Guess he better hit a homerun then!

  37. MaineSox 5 years ago


  38. Are you the woman or the kid???

  39. My ears just popped from all the whooshing that just went down.

  40. RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

    I’m the man you could never be! Lol!

  41. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    You know that picture came from the new wallet you bought? Haha.

    I don’t know what’s more amazing. The fact that you only posted 397 comments or that you have 162 likes?

    joking. New account?

  42. RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

    Lol! I’ve had Facebook since March! Can you believe this starting cuz I called Manny an “arse”? Actually, I can! I swear being a Corrections Officer in a max prison is easier than voicing an opinion here!

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