Andy Pettitte Will Not Start 2011 Season

8:28 PM: Cashman tells Tyler Kepner of the New York Times that "he just used a poor choice of words" in describing Pettitte's situation.  (Twitter link)  Cashman says he meant to say that Pettitte has "chosen not to pitch" rather than "chosen not to start," though this doesn't necessarily mean that Pettitte has officially retired.  In another Kepner tweet, Cashman says he hasn't spoken to Pettitte about a Clemens-esque midseason return.

8:13 PM: Andy Pettitte has informed the Yankees that if he does return for the 2011 season, he won't be ready by Opening Day, reports Stefan Bondy and Nathaniel Vinton of the New York Daily News.  Brian Cashman said Pettitte told him to "don't count on me" but the GM noted that if Pettitte wanted to pitch later in the season, the door would be open for a return.

"I don't think he's determined if he's officially finished or not, but he's chosen at this stage at least not to start in 2011," Cashman said. "If that ever changes he'll call us. We're not going to hound him or bother him."

ESPN's Buster Olney pointed out last month that Pettitte would already be behind on his offseason preparations if he chose to return, so it's possible that Pettitte may still come back and is building in extra time to get ready for his 17th Major League season. 

Pettitte could take a page from his friend Roger Clemens' book — the Rocket didn't begin his 2006 and 2007 seasons, with the Astros and Yankees respectively, until June of those years.  Clemens was able to secure $22MM from Houston and a pro-rated $4.7MM per month deal from New York, and while Pettitte wouldn't get that kind of money from the Yankees, he could command more than the rumored $12-$13MM if the Yankees found themselves desperate for pitching by May.  


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127 Comments on "Andy Pettitte Will Not Start 2011 Season"


KenJr1918
4 years 7 months ago

And the hits just keep coming for NY.

East Coast Bias
4 years 7 months ago

Sergio Mitre it is =/

wickedkevin
4 years 7 months ago

Officially the best Red Sox off season ever (as of right now).

4 years 7 months ago

Now if they don’t win the world series, it will be the biggest embarassment ever.

wickedkevin
4 years 7 months ago

Why? Their payroll is the same as last year.

Vmmercan
4 years 7 months ago

So then surely you weren’t complaining in 2009 when the Yankees went out and replaced their own payroll? Something tells me you were.

wickedkevin
4 years 7 months ago

Something tells me you shouldn’t fight back with assumptions.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 7 months ago

No! That distinction belongs to the 2094 Yankees who choked after being up 3-0 in the ALCS vs Boston. Now that’s embaressing!

East Coast Bias
4 years 7 months ago

2094. embaressing.

Next!

wickedkevin
4 years 7 months ago

How do you know he doesn’t own a DeLorean with a Flux capacitor?!

0bsessions
4 years 7 months ago

ONE POINT TWENTY ONE GIGAWATTS?!?!

ubercubsfan
4 years 7 months ago

Actually he said jiggawatts in the movie. I’m still hoping for the Rays to change their name to Florida Gators before 2015.

wickedkevin
4 years 7 months ago

What in the hell is a jiggawatt?!

DunkinDonuts
4 years 7 months ago

“No! That distinction belongs to the 2094 Yankees who choked after being up 3-0 in the ALCS vs Boston. Now that’s embaressing!”

I think I’ll give the 2094 Yankees a pass, as by that point a good chunk of their payroll will be devoted to an ill-advised extension that takes A-Rod into his 130s.

MetsFanXXIII
4 years 7 months ago

Wow, didn’t know you had a crystal ball.

MaineSox
4 years 7 months ago

Everybody knows crystal balls only exist in the movies. It was definitely tea leaves.

sadp
4 years 7 months ago

Except that in 2094 the Blue Jays play the World Series vs. the Tokyo Samurais, so the Sox clearly lose that ALCS anyways.

NL_East_Rivalry
4 years 7 months ago

Good to know the Jays finally get back

0bsessions
4 years 7 months ago

You’re operating under old rules. The 2094 Red Sox will beat the Yankees in the ALCS, but they will go on to lose the NWHCS (North-Western Hemipshere Championship Series) to the Jays in twelve games.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 7 months ago

Lol! 2004 obviously and damn my fat fingers on the iPhone keyboard! Loved the jokes though!

Ray R
4 years 7 months ago

I only need one word to sum this up:

Oy.

4 years 7 months ago

Addendum: Vey

basemonkey
4 years 7 months ago

I think the late-career move to pitch half a season starting about July-ish is a shrewd move for these longtime vet pitchers. They’re trying to squeeze out as much quality performance as possible, without making themselves suceptible to the natural late-season attrition that happens to all pitchers. It’s always sad seeing a onetime pitching great, perhaps future Hall of Famer, struggle for a few years to convince themselves they’re done.

The decline is a little more graceful, I think, for position players. With pitchers it can get kind of ugly.

Since_77
4 years 7 months ago

I agree. Last season he was very effective in 21 starts in 30 starts he can get burnt out.

wickedkevin
4 years 7 months ago

I understand for pitchers who obviously can’t take the innings anymore (Pedro), but Clemens and Pettitte have no reason except just having the free time.

JR_Tolls1
4 years 7 months ago

I woulden’t want to be NY right now, or Brian Cashman.

4 years 7 months ago

Ruh Roh Rankees

CitizenSnips
4 years 7 months ago

Jesus Christ stop being such a drama queen, Pettitte.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 7 months ago

I gotta imagine that Cashman has seen this coming for a while, if Pettitte hadn’t been preparing then it was simply more likely he wasn’t returning at the beginning of the season. I also have to wonder if this means Cashman will be more receptive to giving up a first round pick in order to get Soriano and ultimately try to create a lock down bullpen.

andrewyf
4 years 7 months ago

Nah. They’re not signing Soriano. Cashman knows better than to think one single bullpen arm will make a difference either way. If they had no bullpen to speak of, it might matter, but the Yankees over the past three years have boasted a top-5 bullpen in the AL, and look to have a pretty strong one again this year.

Anyway, it certainly wouldn’t make too much of a difference if Boston really is the juggernaut everyone thinks they are (they really did buy themselves a good team, kudos from a fan who knows how nice that is). In that case it’s the Yankees versus who, really, for the wild card? The Angels stink, and the Central is mediocrity galore. The Rays are their toughest competition, and they just lost their best position player, best like, 3 relievers, and a solid starter (although Hellickson should make up for Garza’s lost production). I don’t think Kyle Farnsworth is going to be the piece that puts them over the edge for 2011.

MaineSox
4 years 7 months ago

I get what you’re saying and I don’t completely disagree but it isn’t really the Yankees directly against their competitors for the wild card. All another AL team would have to do is have a better record in a weaker division. If, for example, the Yankees end up second in the east with 90 wins and the Tigers end up second in the central with 91 wins the Yankees are out of the post-season.

That being said I do think that there is a pretty good chance that the Wild Card comes out of the east again, and also I’m not one to count the Yankees out. I’ve seen too many off-season champions go on to disappoint during the season to hand this one to my Red Sox yet.

4 years 7 months ago

Wait a second. So you’re tellin me if a team from another division has more wins, the Yankees don’t make the postseason? Groundbreaking.

MaineSox
4 years 7 months ago

Yeah, my point was that even though the central is full of mediocre teams as andrewyf suggests, all a mediocre team has to do is win a bunch of games against other mediocre teams to take the wildcard from the Yankees. They don’t actually have to be better than the Yankees.

Thank you for the sarcastic reply by the way.

4 years 7 months ago

Haha just in a chippy mood and giving you a hard time bro, I get your drift.

0bsessions
4 years 7 months ago

I could picture the Central being a dark horse for the wild card. The Twins have proven repeatedly that they will pretty much always compete and, despite my belief they’re not a World Series team, signings like Martinez DO make the Tigers a better team in the short term. An already potentially dangerous lineup has gotten better and their pitching is overall strong.

That’s not even accounting for your entirely valid point that those two strong teams will have a stagnant Indians team and an even worse for now Royals team to feast upon while the Yankees have to face what will be an at least slightly improved Orioles, a solid Jays team and a Rays team that is being seriously underrated by a lot of people (While I don’t see them competing for the division, Longoria and that pitching alone will keep them above .500 and they will remain a thorn in the sides of that whole division).

The Tigers and Twins are definitely, in my opinion, worse teams than the Yankees on paper right now, but the Twins haven’t really declined from last year (And will likely only improve getting Nathan and Morneau back) and the Tigers are improved for the short term. Those improvements coupled with a weaker schedule could result in one of them grabbing the Wild Card out from under a stronger Yankees team (Though I would still put my money on the Yankees).

slider32
4 years 7 months ago

I like the idea of going with one of the prospects in the #5 spot. Let Phelps, Brackman, and Noesi battle it out in spring training.

Since_77
4 years 7 months ago

They may have to do that or sign a stop gap like Kevin Millwood.

0bsessions
4 years 7 months ago

Unequivocably the wrong move.

A warm body is a warm body, but a warm body in his early to mid twenties at least gets the benefit of having upward potential and will benefit from the experience of working out of the fifth spot, whereas a warm body like Millwood will just give you a below average performance while stunting the growth of guys with potential.

slider32
4 years 7 months ago

I agree, Soriano is the next move!

4 years 7 months ago

Hoooo boy are the Yankees screwed.

Yanksfan2010
4 years 7 months ago

This is not good for NY. We need to get another quality starter in the rotation. So far all we have is The Great CC. The Very Good Hughes and The Downhill Burnett.

4 years 7 months ago

I wonder if the Yankees lack of big free agent signings this offseason may have affected his decision. If he comes back, he’ll want to come back to win and he might not be convinced they can do it right now. If they can’t, he’ll sit at home and can simply watch them fail. If they’re in the playoff race, he has the option of just saying, “hey, we’re going places and I want in.” Not saying that’s the kind of mentality he has, but just throwing it out there that maybe he waited so long to see what the Yankees could bring in, which was pretty much nothing.

Since_77
4 years 7 months ago

I doubt was thinking like that because pennants and World Championships usually aren’t won on paper in January. Last January how many people thought the SF Giants would win the World Series.

0bsessions
4 years 7 months ago

I keep seeing this, but it misses the fact that they’re won on paper more often than not. The 2006 Cardinals, 2007 Red Sox, 2008 Phillies and 2009 Yankees were all expected to compete. Even the Giants themselves were considered a potential playoff team.

The best team on paper can easily get knocked out of the playoffs by a few freak turns of events, but by and large, the teams people expect are who actually makes it, barring injuries. The Rangers and Reds were the only legitimate playoff team surprises last year and the Rangers weren’t that big of a surprise.

0bsessions
4 years 7 months ago

I keep seeing this, but it misses the fact that they’re won on paper more often than not. The 2006 Cardinals, 2007 Red Sox, 2008 Phillies and 2009 Yankees were all expected to compete. Even the Giants themselves were considered a potential playoff team.

The best team on paper can easily get knocked out of the playoffs by a few freak turns of events, but by and large, the teams people expect are who actually makes it, barring injuries. The Rangers and Reds were the only legitimate playoff team surprises last year and the Rangers weren’t that big of a surprise.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 7 months ago

I doubt that. The Yanks are still better than 80% of the teams in the AL.

4 years 7 months ago

Yankees should invest their money in a new GM rather than pitching after all of the fails they’ve had this off-season.

4 years 7 months ago

They had one “fail”, and pettitte retired, but yea that’s enough to fire a great GM who’s been very successful throughout his time in NY.

flickadave
4 years 7 months ago

I’ll argue with you all day that Cashman is such a “great GM”

Since_77
4 years 7 months ago

I think he is doing the best he can,

East Coast Bias
4 years 7 months ago

This is a ridiculous statement.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 7 months ago

That’s an understatement. Cashman can’t make Lee sign and there aren’t any good options out there that are any better than what we already have. Half the critics are either Yankee haters or spolied Yankee fans.

slider32
4 years 7 months ago

I agree, Lee took less money to go to the Phillies, nothing Cashman could do about that. Lee went to an easier league with a better pitching staff with a chance every year to go to the series. Plus he had success with Philly and the fans love him.

ellisburks
4 years 7 months ago

And the Phillie fans haven’t spit on his wife………yet.

bonestock94
4 years 7 months ago

Cliff Lee took less money to go to philly, definitely Cashman’s fault. Or are you one of those guys that things we should have signed Werth and Crawford to be our 4th and 5th outfielders?

DunkinDonuts
4 years 7 months ago

I generally don’t hide the fact that I love me some Red Sox. However, in the interest of objectivity, I will be very impressed if Cashman stays the course and makes it through the rest of the offseason without gutting his farm system or signing a Type-A reliever as a reactionary move. The Yankees have a solid enough core of AARP members to compete next season and thereafter, and they can serve themselves best by sprinkling a few home-grown/cost-controlled pieces in with the veterans, as the Red Sox did with Lester, Pedroia, and Youkilis. Even with unlimited resources and a few financial moves that were about as brilliant as lighting money on fire, the Yankees do not want to put themselves in a position where their entire roster is filled with players signed through their age-40 seasons, as it would put them in the untenable position of passing on potential upgrades at a given position simply to avoid tens of millions of dollars in sunk cost. By way of example, the Yankees will not be in on a premier corner infielder anytime soon, and it does not make sense to pay 1B/3B sticker price (plus the Yankee tax) for a DH, even for the richest team in baseball.

The Yankees’ free-agent “misses” may well prove to be a blessing in disguise if they can resist the temptation to buy up all the free agent scraps or to make a shortsighted trade.

andrewyf
4 years 7 months ago

“The Yankees’ free-agent “misses” may well prove to be a blessing in disguise”

It will only be a blessing in disguise if they can get a number of different free agents that collectively perform better than Cliff Lee over the next 6 years.

Doubtful.

DunkinDonuts
4 years 7 months ago

Production like Cliff Lee’s doesn’t have to come from free agency.

nyyfaninlaaland
4 years 7 months ago

Your AARP comment is cute, but the fact is the Sox roster on Opening Day – with putting Pettitte and Andruw Jones on NY’s roster – will be anywhere from 15 to 30 years older across the total 25 man group.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of your metaphors.

DunkinDonuts
4 years 7 months ago

What does the overall age of the Red Sox roster have to do with the point that the Yankees should surround their aging core with younger, cost-controlled players, rather than plug holes through free agency?

Answer: absolutely nothing.

But don’t let the overall theme of the post get in the way of your uncontrollable urge to turn a neutral post into a Boston v. New York pissing contest.

4 years 7 months ago

Pettitte will pull a Pedro and start midseason. Watch.

4 years 7 months ago

“Pettitte could take a page from his friend Roger Clemens’ book” …. wait until the HGH clears his system and return mid-season.

roomwithamoose
4 years 7 months ago

HGH doesn’t stay in the system for long, and that’s why it’s hard to test for amongst other reasons.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 7 months ago

they dont test for hgh!

Bobbytam
4 years 7 months ago

I hope CC dont think about opting out next year with nobody wanting to play or come to NY

YanksFanSince78
4 years 7 months ago

The ridiculousness of the criticizm ignores two simple facts.

a) The Yanks are sending out the same team that won 95 games last year but are now w/o Pettitte, Wood and Vazquez but will have Feliciano, a well rested Ivan Nova for a full season (threw 176 IP last year, the most in his career) and a catching duo of Martin/Montero.

b) They have what has been ranked by some as the #6 farm in baseball that currently features 7 near mlb ready pitchers and 2 near mlb ready C at AA or above.

Yet ppl want Cashman to be fired. If Lee signs on the dotted line then he’s some sort of “genius”…unbelievable.

0bsessions
4 years 7 months ago

“Yet ppl want Cashman to be fired. If Lee signs on the dotted line then he’s some sort of “genius”…unbelievable. ”

To be entirely fair, that remark is a two way street. Would you give Cashman credit for putting together the 2009 WS team? I mean, all he basically did was throw money at Teixeira and Sabathia until they signed. If he’s a competent GM for being able to get them in a Yankee uniform, he’s an incompetent GM for not being able to get them inked.

Personally, my opinion is in the middle that he’s an average GM with a huge wallet. He’s neither brilliant, nor incompetent. My opinion of him going forward will be dictated by how he does going forward. If he panics and signs something subpar for big money (Ala Igawa after missing out on Matsuzaka), I’ll lean towards bad GM. If he stands pat and considers what resources he has at his disposal OTHER than cash, my opinion will be favorable.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 7 months ago

I’m not one of those ppl that think that CC, AJ and Tex made the entire team. In addition to signing those FA he also acquired a couple of guys that helped in the 2009 run in Marte and Swisher and he also had some good players that were acquired thru the farm in Hughes, Joba, Gardner, etc. I don’t think Cash is a genuis but I think he’s a very good GM for a number of reasons. But to say he needs to be fired because he didn’t sign Cliff Lee is stupid, plain and simple. He obviously made a great offer even if it wasn’t more than the one Texas put forth but anything short of $25 mil x 7 would’ve had the same result.

0bsessions
4 years 7 months ago

“Yet ppl want Cashman to be fired. If Lee signs on the dotted line then he’s some sort of “genius”…unbelievable. ”

To be entirely fair, that remark is a two way street. Would you give Cashman credit for putting together the 2009 WS team? I mean, all he basically did was throw money at Teixeira and Sabathia until they signed. If he’s a competent GM for being able to get them in a Yankee uniform, he’s an incompetent GM for not being able to get them inked.

Personally, my opinion is in the middle that he’s an average GM with a huge wallet. He’s neither brilliant, nor incompetent. My opinion of him going forward will be dictated by how he does going forward. If he panics and signs something subpar for big money (Ala Igawa after missing out on Matsuzaka), I’ll lean towards bad GM. If he stands pat and considers what resources he has at his disposal OTHER than cash, my opinion will be favorable.

ellisburks
4 years 7 months ago

As much as I am not a fan of the Yankees I don’t think Cashman should be fired. As a matter of fact it would be better for the Red Sox if he did get fired. He has proven that he is an above average GM even with the advantage of the money he has at his disposal. Even though he misses out on first rounders pretty much every season he has built a formidable minor league system.
There have been mistakes but he knows he can make them and use the money to cover them up. I am sure if he was the Pirate’s GM he would take a different approach but he isn’t so he uses the resources he has available to make the Yankees a contending team every year.
People should stop callilng for Cashman’s head. This was a weak year for free agents and he did what he could to make the Yankees a better team, it just didn’t work out according to plan. Life happens.