Rangers Continue To Explore Michael Young Trade

7:31pm: The Rangers and Rockies are talking about a trade of Young again and one source says the talks have reached an advanced stage, writes Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.  However, other sources are painting a less optimistic picture of the discussions, saying the Rockies are confused by the Rangers’ “mixed messages” on Young.

3:56pm: The Rockies like Young, but are confused about the Rangers' plans and might not have the money to acquire the infielder, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. One source told Rosenthal that tallks with the Rockies are dormant. The Rockies would likely have to send Jose Lopez and another well-paid player to Texas in any deal.

3:02pm: The Rangers have not re-engaged the Rockies about a possible deal as of this afternoon, according to Troy Renck of the Denver Post.

11:52am: The Rangers have recently continued discussing the possibility of trading Michael Young, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney (on Twitter). Once again, the Rockies are a potential destination for the infielder.

Young, who became expendable when the Rangers signed Adrian Beltre, has three years and $48MM remaining on his contract, which includes a partial no-trade clause. Once Young gains ten and five rights this May, he will have the power to veto any trade.

The Rangers told Young he was staying put last month and president Nolan Ryan has since said he expects Young to be with the club Opening Day. Young, 34, would DH and back up around the infield, potentially spelling Chris Davis and Mitch Moreland against tough southpaws.

The Rockies showed interest in Young earlier in the offseason and were said to be looking for infielders last month, but they have since added Alfredo Amezaga.


221 Responses to Rangers Continue To Explore Michael Young Trade Leave a Reply

  1. who would come tx way???stewart???

    • mkorpal 4 years ago

      Thats not happening.

      • nats2012 4 years ago

        I have to be honest, I dont believe alot of these rumors, I think its just a way to fill up space on these pages when there isnt alot of news to report. I think teams check in on players from other teams but it doesnt mean the Rangers are shopping Young.

        • nats2012 4 years ago

          See what I mean, I just wrote that comment above before they said they werent in talks.

    • neoncactus 4 years ago

      If the Rangers eat most of his contract, maybe a potential center fielder, in case Borbon stinks this year, so Hamilton doesn’t get stuck out there?

    • EY Jr took a physical last time trade rumors stirred between the Rockies and Rangers.

    • Redsoxn8tion 4 years ago

      I don’t agree with this move, if it’s even true. You can never gave enough offense. Poor Young gets the shaft everytime the Rangers aquire a new infielder. He deserves to play for a team that actually wants him

    • Roxallday4 4 years ago

      this would be an awesome pick up for the rockies. Can you imagine… 3.Cargo 4. Tulo 5. Young 6. Helton/Wigginton. That would be very difficult 3-6 to get through.

  2. Ain’t happening.

    • bjsguess 4 years ago

      They should trade Young to anyone, rivals or not, who is willing to take on his salary. Young is an albatross at this point – only made worse by moving him to DH.

      • He’s actually a darn good hitter.

        • bbxxj 4 years ago

          Not when you have had an OPS over .785 once in the last four years. Combine that with what appears to be declining defense and you have your self a decent player but not a great one.

      • eneff 4 years ago

        Yeah seriously… if someone who consistently hits .300 and is a lifetime .300 hitter is an albatross, then Michael Young is an albatross. I’m actually a Yankees fan that lives in Arlington so I watch him play a lot, and the dude is a grinder that brings it every day and contributes in a big way to his team’s success… That term is being thrown around in the loosest of ways lately

        • Why can’t all Yankee fans be like you?

          • eneff 4 years ago

            a lot of yanks fans are like me… but people tend to demonize us lol

          • Jonathan Rigby 4 years ago

            and why? Just because you sold out your local team for a generic super power…. then act as if you are a part of the NY tradition.

          • eneff 4 years ago

            Yeah it has nothing to do with me being a 3rd generation yankee fan and my family is from new york… I saw your other comment what are you king of the Rangers?

          • eneff 4 years ago

            Go ahead… say somethin… I get that kind of crap from you rangers “fans” all the time. All the sudden your team is pretty good and you act like you’ve been a lifelong fan. You guys complain about Yankee fans but at the ALCS people cursed at me and threw food at me and all that stuff (like you accuse Yankee fans of doing). Not complaining… just wondering why ya’ll do.

          • Hahahaha so true. Rangers fans popped up out of NO WHERE once they finally became relevant.

            ….just like Tamp Bay Rays fans who know absolutely nothing about the Devil Rays days….and even now they still can’t show up to one of their games haha.

          • because he lives in texas, thus meaning he isn’t a true, down-to-earth yankee fan

        • Jonathan Rigby 4 years ago

          screw you from all of us in texas

  3. Any set backs to Chipper’s comeback and the Braves will be calling. Maybe. Probably not without money.

    • No payroll for that acquisition, in the present or future. Heck, Young’s contract is for more than Chipper’s, so even if he would retire outright, there would still be plenty of issues to overcome.

      If Chipper is done, Prado moves to third and the Braves find a serviceable outfielder somewhere (probably move McLouth to LF and start Schafer in CF, to be honest). It’s not ideal, especially with McLouth coming off 2010 and Schafer just now finally getting healthy again.

      The Braves dealt with a less than optimal OF situation last season and still managed to make the playoffs.

      -C

  4. Tim 4 years ago

    His contract will be impossible to trade. He is past his prime and his numbers do not warrant the 3/48 he is still due. Sorry TX, you are stuck with him. Enjoy his last remaining years and allow him to retire as a life-long Ranger.

    • vtadave 4 years ago

      Maybe the Rangers can swap GMs with the Blue Jays for a day. That might help them facilitate a Young deal.

      “Hey Tony, AA here again…about your 3B issue…”

      • JD traded Mark Texiera for Neftali Feliz, Elvis Andrus, Matt Harrison, Beau Jones and Jarrod Saltalamacchia. And unloaded the Salary. I think JD can do just fine.

        • Trading Tex and trading Young are 2 totally different things. Tex was a lot younger and had way more serviceable years left compared to what young has left.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            Teixeira was also actually good…

    • Why are you sorry, we want him here. We’re sorry you can’t have him.

      • Tim 4 years ago

        You want him because he is a fan favorite and a good guy. He has been in TEX his whole career and that is very admirable.

        You can’t deny that his contract is way too high and it will be a hindrance for the next 3 years.

      • redsox927 4 years ago

        Players that had better WAR than Michael Young last year:

        Luke Scott (in 130 games), Casey Blake, Kevin Kouzmanoff (in 140 games), Orlando Hudson (in 126 games)… the list goes on and on.

        Young had a 2.7 WAR in 2010.. He’s not a terrible player like some uninformed person said above, but he AT HIS BEST had three seasons somewhere very close to 4 WAR… he’s an above average player offensively but a terrible defensive player no matter where he is player.

        He’s not worth what his contract is going to pay him, so i personally am happy my team doesn’t have him.

        He’s comparable to Placido Polanco, Carlos Baerga and Rich Aurilia

        • MaineSox 4 years ago

          His defense is outstanding at DH, his bat on the other hand…

        • He’s not terrible defensively. He does have a Gold Glove. He just isn’t meant for 3B

          • redsox927 4 years ago

            Tyler, really?? you are seriously going to try to tell me that b/c he has a gold glove, he isn’t a terrible defensive player??

            I know that not everybody knows a ton about baseball, stats, awards and advanced metrics; but anyone that watches baseball knows that gold gloves mean NOTHING…

            Rafeal Palmero won a gold glove at first base one year when he was the teams DH and only played a very very small amount in the field. Michael Young is a joke in the field, DH would be where i would play him at this point.. and to pay him 16 million a year for the next 3 years to do that would be an epic mistake given the fact that Manny just signed for 2 million, Vlad’s still holding out for more than 4/5 million and the list goes on and on.

          • Vladdy got $8M from Baltimore….. I have no idea where you got $4/5M lol.

  5. NYYANKEES 4 years ago

    so who will play 1st and DH than?

    • Mitch Moreland
      Mike Napoli
      David Murphy (if Bourbon moves to center)

    • Really? Chris Davis, Mitch Moreland, Mike Napoli, Vlad? Murphy. But don’t worry. It ain’t happening.

      • eneff 4 years ago

        ok i was on your side earlier but… Vlad doesn’t play for the Rangers anymore haha

  6. condorave 4 years ago

    Dodgers should (but won’t) get in on this. Right handed hitting 3rd baseman who hits 2nd in the batting order. Sounds like exactly what they need.

    • Doc 4 years ago

      If they eat enough of the salary. Then we can platoon Blake. And probably have to give up Xavier Paul, and some pitching prospects.

    • You beat me to the punch. This is precisely what the Dodgers need. It’s not happening though. Blake will back up Loney @ 1B and Uribe will back up Blake @ 3B. Carrol is the back-up to everybody but Loney.

      This will be a frustrating year for the Dodgers. I foresee a lot of LOB’s.

  7. I would like to see the Twins get in on this, throw Jason Kubel at them as well as get a chunk of change back for Young. He is still a very good hitter.

    • And what do we need Jason Kubel for? He isn’t better than any of our OFers.

      • and Young is also dead weight with a terrible contract, take what you can get in as much salary relief as possible, and anything productive.

    • I love Michael Young, but I:

      1. Don’t like his contract AT ALL.

      2. Don’t think we need him at 3B as I am HUGE fan of Valencia and Valencia is better with the glove by far.

      3. Don’t think we need him at DH either. Kubel and Thome can lock that DH spot down easily.

  8. Wockenfuss 4 years ago

    Detroit is a perfect destination for Michael Young. They have no #2 hitter or established 2nd basemen. The Tigers can afford the contract and offset part of it by dumping Carlos Guillen on Texas for the final year of his deal. Detroit has the young pitching Texas would want in return as well. Get this done D.D.

    • InLeylandWeTrust 4 years ago

      ….No. Thank God you aren’t Dombrowski. Why would we take on that contract? We are just getting rid of all our old ones so lets take on Michael Young? Why would we part with our young pitchers for him when we have very little depth at the minor league level? Why wouldn’t we allow Scott Sizemore and Will Rhymes, 2 relatively young 2B who showed some promise last season, a chance to win the job.

      This would be a terrible move. May God have mercy on your soul.

      • Wockenfuss 4 years ago

        Michael Young is just the type player the Tigers lack. They need a gamer with heart. And don’t say they have Brandon Inge for that. He may have heart but .300/15/80 he doesn’t. If you trade Guillen, it becomes Young for 4 years at $36 million, I’ll take it. He’s durable. Plus, the majority of can’t miss prospects, do just that, they miss.

        • InLeylandWeTrust 4 years ago

          You sign a guy like David Eckstein if you want “a gamer with heart”…you don’t spend over 10 mil a year for it…

  9. cubtex 4 years ago

    I would like to see the Cubs get him. The Rangers would need to pick up a large portion of his contract but he would definaely improve the Cubs infield moving Yound to 2nd base.

    • We’re still mad at the Cubs for stealing Matt Garza.

      • Stealing Garza? It was a pretty decent package man, especially when you compare it to recent packages for Cy Young winners(and Oswalt, especially)……which Garza isn’t.

  10. westcoastwhitesox 4 years ago

    Is there any package the White Sox could put together to trade for Young?

    • Mark Buehrle, Paul Konerko, and Matt Thorton.

      • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

        are you on sauce dude??

        Michael Young’s contract is terrible he’ll never live up to the numbers, his value is in the negatives right now

        • No, I’m saying it won’t happen unless a deal like that came up.

        • And he’s already lived up to the numbers. 7 consecutive years of 200+ hits.

          • ….and a career OPS under .800. Come on man, he’s 34, he’s making $16 million a year for the next 3 years.

            And 7 consecutive years? He had 200+ hits from 2003-2007. Don’t make him out to be Ichiro…..

            You do realize that Young, if not traded, is going to be a $16 million dollar DH/utility guy, right?

          • I do realize that. Greenberg preaches he wants to put the fans first. The fans want Young.

          • InLeylandWeTrust 4 years ago

            *facepalm*…you are blind my friend.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            Every owner says they want to put the fans first, and they do it by winning/putting the best team possible on the field. The Rangers are likely better without Young (and his contract) on the team, regardless of how much some of the fans like him.

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            Toronto fans also want Johnny Macdonald, but newsflash, its not the best thing for the team

      • HA!!! You wouldn’t even get Konerko or Buerhle by themselves let alone in a package for Young.

  11. Can he pitch?

    – B. Cashman

  12. i think the Yankees should get involved… there looking for a util guy.. arod and jeter always end up having to miss some time and there is no back up at 1st or 2nd.. trade him to the yanks!!!!

  13. okbluejays 4 years ago

    The only way he gets moved is if the Rangers eat some of his salary. Or if another team as desperate to make a move as the Angels were, step up and take his terrible contract back fully…which I don’t see happening.

    • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

      thats what everyone in the word said about vdub

      • Ya but the Angels are now seemingly out for Young so that leaves the rest of the reasonable GM’s out there not willing to take on astronomical contracts without the other team eating some of the contract.

  14. What about a M. Young + cash for Jose Lopez and E. Young Jr.?

  15. Anthony Emmerling 4 years ago

    Its unfortunate that the Angels and Rangers are in the same division. I’d be glad to see young in playing 3B in Anaheim but wouldn’t happen because the Rangers won’t trade him withing the division.

    The Angels do however have some young pitching that they could offer. Say a Trevor Bell. We all know the Rangers are probably going to need it.

    In a perfect world the Angels would get Young. However nothing in the world is perfect………..except Brian Wilson’s beard of course.

    • I’m already bored with Brian Wilson’s schtick. Started out humorous because it’s rare that you see athletes with an actual personality, but emulating Zach Galifianakis every time there’s a camera around does get old eventually.

      • popular_mechanics_for_pitchers 4 years ago

        Brian Wilson is a bad bad dude! He was Charlie Sheen’s stunt double in Major League

    • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

      Jays could take Young for Frasor, then flip him to the Angels for Cash and Trout

      • Gumby65 4 years ago

        It’ll never happen. Angel OF’s with fishy names tend to stay around the organization a while.

        • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

          clearly I was kidding.

          • Gumby65 4 years ago

            I am certain you were; I just hadn’t had a chance to use that zinger yet! It’s too bad the Angels never had Kevin Bass, or it’d been one heck of a fresh-water food fest of an outfield :)

    • Why is everyone so down on the Rangers pitching staff? Yeah, they don’t have a true ace, but they have 7-8 decent starting pitchers. The Angels have a sick staff 1-5, but who fills in for an injury or a spot start. Is it really Trevor Bell? Good luck with that…

      • firstavenger 4 years ago

        Matt Palmer, then maybe Trevor Bell

      • Anthony Emmerling 4 years ago

        Difference is the Angels’ starting rotation is made up of durable pitchers who don’t get injured as often as the Rangers’ rotation. How do you know C.J. Wilson will continue to be a viable starter….hes done it once. Brandon Webb could be an absolute flop. And the other three would fall somewhere between between Pineiro and Kazmir. Although Kaz has the potential to be better than all three.

        Angels have three backups in Palmer, Bell and Takahashi with Chatwood nearly there.

        Don’t get me wrong the Rangers have the potential to have a very good staff. There are just a lot of question marks. If Wilson can continue and Webb can recover than the Rangers will have a very competitive staff. There just has to be a little nervousness going in.

  16. buchachan 4 years ago

    Soriano and Silva for Young.

  17. Guest 4 years ago

    How bout Michael Young for Scott Kazmir? Straight up

    Rangers get out of the last two years of Young’s deal, have to pick up a bloated contract next season…but Kazmir’s a guy who could add some depth to the pitching staff. The quality of that depth is questionable, but I’m sure they can find a spot for him next year either in the back of the rotation or the bullpen. Or the waiver wire. Or God willing, he actually regains his ace form from a few years ago

    Angels have to eat the last two years of Young’s deal to convince the Rangers to trade him to them, but they’re trading one of their own bloated contracts to offset a significant payroll increase. And as a player, he can fill the glaring hole the have at 3rd

  18. Could Young handle a part-time outfield position? If so, it might make sense to send Young + cash to the phillies for Blanton. It does not really fix the high payroll issue (if there is one), but it gives the phillies a right-handed bat, that they can sub in around the diamond (and use as insurance in case of injury or a Brown disaster). Obviously very unlikely, but still interesting.

    Obviously, Blanton helps provide SP depth for Texas.

    • Young played OF in the minors. CF to be exact. But the Phillies stole Cliff from us! :(

    • How does that make sense for the Phillies? They were only interested in trading Blanton for salary relief in the first place, and unless the Rangers send a ton of cash back…..they’ll be going in the opposite direction.

      The Phillies aren’t going to pay a declining Michael Young $8 million(which is assuming the Rangers eat HALF his contract) a year for 3 years for a part-time outfield job. No club is going to do that, in fact.

  19. I just don’t get this, Young’s numbers are comparable to Jeter’s or anyone elses in the AL. Why is expendable? If I’m the Orioles I offer JJ Hardy and Tillman and put Young as the O’s SS for the next 3-4 years why they wait for Machado to get to the show. Perfect timing, make it happen Macphail.

    • Haha, yeah. Go ahead and put Michael Young at SS…..

      Better yet, sign Troy Glaus to play SS.

    • JJ Hardy is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Young is right now. Take the Gold Glove caliber defense of Hardy’s and his .280 avg and keep him in Baltimore.

  20. Jim Hendry go get him!

  21. civilsteve 4 years ago

    Lance Berkman had the Rangers pitching staff pegged correctly. CJ is really between a 2nd-3rd starter with Lewis being a 4th starter; everyone else is a garbage 5th man or long relief – have no delusions about Webb. The rangers need to unload Young, eat a big part of his salary, to get a solid 2 starter or good pieces that can be used in a trade for an ace come trade deadline. The Rangers have plenty of bat options in the clubhouse or can grab vlad again.

    • Wow… Dude hear me out. This involves a lot of IF’s but it’s possible the Rangers could have a darn good rotation. Let’s start with Webb, IF Webb can regain his form and is truly 100% like he says he is, the Rangers have a bonified ace. IF Scott Feldman can return to his 09′ cutter/sinker combo, the Rangers have a darn good 1-2 punch. IF Colby Lewis(Who is much better than a #4 starter) and CJ Wilson can pitch like they did in the playoffs last year for a whole season. The Rangers have a very good 1-4 rotation. And number 5 garbage? IF Derek Holland truly does have the breakout yr all the scouts expect him to have or IF Alexi Ogando/Neftali Feliz pull of a 2010 CJ Wilson. The Rangers have a darn good rotation. And lets not forget about Tommy Big Game Hunter.

      Lance Berkman is just anal about his playoff run being put to a close by the Texas Rangers last season.

      • InLeylandWeTrust 4 years ago

        IF Max Scherzer can keep progressing from where he left off after being called back up last season him and Verlander will be an outstanding 1-2. IF Rick Porcello can breakout and really live up to his potential, IF Phil Coke can pull a CJ Wilson, and IF Brad Penny can stay healthy all year and return to All-Star form the Tigers may have the best rotation in the game.

        See how that works?

      • civilsteve 4 years ago

        I’ll buy that Lewis is a # 3, but scratch the “big game” away from Hunter. Webb needs to bounce back with good velocity on his fastball for hitters to bite on his other pitches; I doubt that’s going to happen. Maybe because he’s 6-7 and has the flexibility of Shawn Bradley, that Feldman looks as if he can’t finish in properly releasing the ball and ends up sending a rising meatball right over the plate. Holland, Ogando and Feliz need to stay in the pen because the Olivers and O’days won’t get it done come October.

      • If I was a little bit taller, if I was baller, if I had a girl that looked good I would call her. If I had a rabbit in a hat with a bat and a ’64 Impala.

        Some folks need to read between the lines and find the true meaning of “if.”

        -C

  22. moneyball_dirtdog 4 years ago

    I am now dumber having read this thread. The Rangers would trade Young to the Halos (or anyone else) for a C+ prospect in a heartbeat if the other side takes the salary. Anyone who doesn’t understand that is dumber than dirt.

  23. Brad426 4 years ago

    You, sir, owe me a keyboard.

  24. There are 2 things I have learnt in this article: 1)ESPN writers don’t really have much to write about today;and 2) Tyler Garibay has a man crush on Michael Young and seemingly has no clue of the value of a 34 year old player that is making 16 mil a year until he is 37 and has declined immensely since 2007.

    • M. Young has been the most respectable player to ever wear a Ranger uniform. You must not understand that. And for the Record, he’s 34, so add that as the 3rd thing you’ve learned by reading this article.

      • I meant to put 34 but it the 7 instead of 4. And he is the second most respectable player to wear a uniform behind Ryan, and it doesn’t matter how respected he was to the team 4 years ago he is dead weight for them right now and is taking up way more salary then he should be.

      • popular_mechanics_for_pitchers 4 years ago

        excuse me…… Jose Canseco

      • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

        you sir, are an irrational fan boy.

    • rxbrgr 4 years ago

      I’ll give you that T Garibay is a bit obsessed. But Michael Young is not 37. He’s 33. That’s an error of 4 years man. A big difference, especially in baseball

      • He is actually 34 and I hit the 7 instead of the 4 which is an honest mistake considering the 7 is right above the 4 on the keyboard.

  25. DickAlmighty 4 years ago

    For all the credit Jon Daniels has gotten in the post-World Series Texas Rangers’ collective media circle-jerk, he hasn’t gotten nearly enough grief for his absolute botch-job on this Mike Young situation. How many times can you change your story publicly about one player in one offseason? First, it’s known they’re thinking about dealing him because he’s too expensive. Then, they want to keep him and he’s the everyday 3B. Then, they sign Adrian Beltre to be the everyday 3B. Then, they’re thinking about sending him to the Rockies. Then, they’re planning on having him on the Opening Day roster, but as a utility type player. Now, they’re talking to the Rockies again. The Rangers need someone in the front office to pull a British Petroleum, and stuff a mud-plug in the gushing leak of player information.

    • The only thing JD has said this off-season is that M. Young will be a Ranger on opening day. The writers have changed the story.

      • And they’ll change it again when he trades Young’s ass, if he can find someone rich and stupid enough to afford and want him at that salary.

        -C

  26. rxbrgr 4 years ago

    There’s one person who continues commenting here who is your prototypical baseball fan who gets his info from simple baseball cards and video games. Please.

    • Redhawk 4 years ago

      you say that like, there’s something wrong with that…..

  27. danthebaseballman 4 years ago

    Rangers should trade Chris Davis, he could be somewhat valuable to another team.

  28. Slim1280 4 years ago

    I just know I’d like to see him come to the White Sox as a third baseman. I don’t think the Sox would have to give up too much if they take on his entire salary – perhaps just Mark Teahen.

    • start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

      The Rangers got Beltre partially to move Young off of third, his defense there is poor at best. Add to that, the Rangers have no need to make this a salary dump so they’re not going to take on a castaway who can barely hit his own weight. Besides, I thought Viciedo was supposed to be the ChiSox third baseman.

  29. progmatinee 4 years ago

    I don’t understand the “Rockies are looking for infielders”.

    They have:
    Stewart
    Tulo
    Lopez
    Helton
    Wiggington
    Giambi
    Herrera
    EYJ
    Nelson

    OBVIOUSLY not all will make the team and those at the bottom of the list on the outside looking in all have positives to offer. So where’s the fire?

    • Redhawk 4 years ago

      should read “Right handed bats for a position not already filled….like 2ndbase, or a corner OF”

  30. BillB325 4 years ago

    If the cubs could only get someone to take Fukudome and then ship Wells, Russell and maybe Darwin Barney off with a prospect for him?

  31. Milmurph26 4 years ago

    What about taking on Soriano and Silva from the Cubs for Young and whoever

  32. The way he has been treated is kind of sad given that he has done everything this franchise has asked of him. I would not want to trade such a great character, who also performs on field.

  33. bringbackthesupersonics 4 years ago

    milton bradley+chone figgins for young

  34. rico7961 4 years ago

    How about the Twins trade Cuddyer to Texas for Young and 24M (half his remaining salary). Then Twins trade Young to Angels for whatever they can get. Pohlad’s would be dancing in the streets because they would have just saved 10.5M on Cuddyer and made 24M to put toward the 2011 payroll. That would be a great couple of trades.

  35. Guest 4 years ago

    Despite what Ryan and Daniels may have said, no one ever really expected the Rangers to keep Young unless they absolutely had to, did they?

    NO team is gonna pay a DH/super-utility player $16MM per year if they can help it. After Texas signed Beltre, I’m not sure how it wasn’t obvious to everyone who follows baseball that they would make every attempt to trade Young (especially before his ten and five rights kick in).

    Whether they’re successful in doing so is another story. But if someone just offers a decent prospect for Young and $9MM, it’s hard to imagine them not doing it (unless maybe it’s a division rival).

  36. InLeylandWeTrust 4 years ago

    Texas is not handling this very well at all. Obviously they will make every attempt to move Young, so there is no sense in telling him he is staying put and not going anywhere.

  37. gorlak357 4 years ago

    If texas is willing to eat a fair amount of the salary, The jays could be a good fit. They could get Bautista back in RF and replace Rivera’s bat with youngs.

    • I agree he would fit for this year but he has 3 years left and that would not work in Toronto with Lawrie ready to come up late this year or next year.

      • gorlak357 4 years ago

        True, but he could fill the void until then and if enough of his salary is eaten and he doesn’t blow it, They could dump him to somebody down the road.

  38. 2010ALChamps 4 years ago

    The Rangers are trying to trade Mike Young to free up that cash to sign Josh Hamilton and Elvis Andrus long term. Get it done Rangers, your future sucess is will Hamilton and Andrus as cornerstones of the team.

  39. Beau Buchholz 4 years ago

    Heres a thought, why not sign Young to a 1-2 year extension, and restructure the contract to be more “team friendly” . That way its the best of all worlds, The Rangers dont lose out on the intangibles, Young gets to stay with the team (which he clearly wants), and the fans are happy.

    Am I the only one that thinks it makes perfect sense?

    • I think it would be tough to ask a guy like young with the pedigree he has to take a huge pay cut. Why would he give up 48 guaranteed over 3 years for 20 mil or whatever over the next 2 when his career is winding down? For the part that he wants to stay there, he has a very good chance at staying there with that contract because nobody wants it. A restructured contract would be way out of the question at this point.

    • Victor Kipp 4 years ago

      Baseball players don’t restructure to “be more team friendly” MLBPA This is not the NFL. There is no salary cap and the players have all the power in MLB.

  40. Beau Buchholz 4 years ago

    No no, I think you’re miss understanding what I meant. I was suggesting an extension of his current contract, so instead of 3 years for 48 its something like 5 years for 50-53 mil. I’ll be upfront and say that I’m a big big Rangers fan (and one that has been around longer than 4 months), and have grown to love Mike Young, and am absolutely against trading him.

    Here are my reasons why:
    1. He may not be a prototypical DH where he has all those great advanced sabermetric stats; however, he does have a little pop, and more importantly is the exact bat this team needs right now. He is a true #2 hitter, we don’t need another Josh Hamilton or Nelson Cruz (in a sense of hitting a HR every at bat).
    2. He is the unquestioned leader of this club house. I read through all of these posts and some of you dis credit team chemistry and i suppose some over value it. But I’m willing to bet many of you didn’t watch this team as much as I did last year, and a major reason we made it to the WS was because of how well we played together, and he was the leading cause for that.
    3. The backlash will be HUGE from Ranger fans if the front office trades Young. So assuming we trade M.Y. this offseason and get half of the contract picked up (so we save 8 mil this year), I guarantee that the Rangers will lose out of AT LEAST 8 mil in lost revenue (loss in ticket sales, concessions, merchandise, jerseys etc).
    4. We lose a big part of what we’ve been going after this off season in versatility. If we keep Young and he can learn to play a little first, we can keep as little as 3 bench players and have an extra arm in the bullpen. Which could wind up being very important being as there are a lot of questions in our starting rotation. Not to mention get a significantly worse hitter as our new DH (in Napoli).

    These are just my thoughts and opinion on the whole thing.

    • Ya I did misunderstand a little on the last one. I still don’t think Young would be willing to sign longer then the 3 years he is there. The more and more I think about it the more it makes sense for Young and the Rangers to go in different directions. For Young, his playing time is going to decrease drastically with what the Rangers have in their line up and its and obvious 16 mil a year why the Rangers would like to get rid of him.
      I am going to completely disagree with your assumption that they would lose 8 million a year from tickets etc. I bet they wouldn’t even miss a beat. They made it to the World Series last year so that is automatic buzz and with the line up they have it is easily going to be a fan favourite with how many bombs they will hit. They are in a great position with the line up they have right now and if they can get anything for Young they would be ahead of where they are right now.

  41. Beau Buchholz 4 years ago

    You’re right in a sense where they will have a lot of momentum and capitalize on those sales to increase revenue and probably make more than they did last year, however they could (and I think would) lose out of an extra say 8-10 or mil of what they could bring in if they kept him.

    • I have no idea where you are getting 8 million lost revenue from trading Young from. That would mean they would have to sell $100,000 worth more of merchandise,concessions,tickets,ect. per home game. When you look at that it is astronomical let alone having to do that for the 3 years of his contract. Then you have to take into consideration that playoffs bring in money onto that and the Rangers have a better chance to make the playoffs in all 3 years if they trade Young and get something they need back or save the salary and sign someone more useful the Young.

      • Beau Buchholz 4 years ago

        You’re missing the point of the comment. The comment was mostly meant to point out that they wouldn’t be saving as much as you would think. Noting that they would lose out on ticket sales, concessions etc. In all likelihood they would still be saving money, but certainly not enough to justify trading him (after taking into account all the reasons I listed above).

        • Beau Buchholz 4 years ago

          Re-read the initial comment and I suppose I put more emphasis on numbers than I was intending. My fault.

          • In the long run I don’t think they would save anything, I think they would actually lose money if they kept him. His 16 million contract is a burden now just think how bad it is going to be next year or the year after. They need to get something that can help the team and make another deep push in the playoffs because that is where the real money is and they have a better chance getting to the playoffs with a piece they can use and not a 16 mil under powered DH or back up utility player.

  42. coolstorybro222 4 years ago

    the only position i see him at is second if he does get traded.

  43. Hoosierdaddy92 4 years ago

    If Michael Young is dealt, it should be to the Braves. Braves trade Derek Lowe for Michael Young. He would fit the Braves lineup perfectly at 1b, can play 3b when/if Chipper gets hurt. The Rangers could use a veteran pitcher in their staff. The Braves lineup would be stacked.

    LF Prado
    1b Young
    RF Heyward
    2b Uggla
    C McCann
    3b Chipper
    SS Alex Gonzalez
    CF McClouth/Schafer
    P

  44. Notin J. Notin 4 years ago

    The Cubs really need to be all over this.

    They could use a leadoff-hitting 2b and they have enough bad contracts tht they should have one Texas can tolerate and wind up saving money…

    • Victor Kipp 4 years ago

      I agree. Also, if Carlos has another horrible year and they can’t sign Puljos they can move young to first. It would make sense for the Cubs to get in on this.

  45. BravoBrado 4 years ago

    This is exactly what I’ve been talking about since the rangers signed beltre. Young is a very valuable player which can 1b,2b,ss,3b,lf. Kinda like infante with power. For a chance at the series, the Braves should go get him even if it costs a young arm.

    • Young cannot play 2B or SS anymore and in the next year or 2 he won’t be able to play 3rd with any efficiency.

  46. Victor Kipp 4 years ago

    WHY?

  47. Jesse 4 years ago

    Dodgers should trade Blake for Young straight up

  48. Really, you think the Rangers would trade their franchise player to their own division rival? You must be high right now.

  49. bjsguess 4 years ago

    Angels should be in. They will pick up all of the salary and include at least 2 useful players to boot.

    That should “fix” our 3B problem for us.

  50. VegasANGELSFan 4 years ago

    That’s the only reason I am not worried about the Angels trying to take on Young’s terrible contract as well. I can’t see the Rangers trading him to the Angels (thank God).

  51. corey23 4 years ago

    I was thinking right off I wish the A’s would go after him, but I agree they won’t send him to their division rival. But then again, they have dealt with Seattle in the past…

  52. elturtle 4 years ago

    According to Bill Plunkett of the OC register, “The Angels were not surprised when the Blue Jays flipped Mike Napoli to the Rangers Tuesday. According to (Arte) Moreno, the team already knew Napoli was a player of interest to the Rangers who had tried to shop Michael Young to the Angels earlier this winter.”

    So much for the franchise player.

  53. Dude, it’s the media. It isn’t happening. ESPN sports writers are on crack.

  54. Actually, Seattle dealt with Texas. I say that meaning the key player in the Trade was coming Texas way, not going to Seattle. Cliff Lee for Justin Smoak Basically.

  55. Exactly why the Rangers wouldn’t do it. Why help the division rival?

  56. Although I’m not a Rangers fan, I sincerely hope the Rangers keep Michael Young. He has been such a team player and good presence in the clubhouse, and has done whatever the team has asked of him. I hate to see his name being brought up in trade rumors.

  57. based on his declining numbers, spotty defense and hugely bloated contract how is saying getting rid of him to any taker, uneducated?

  58. They themselves need help, should be seeking salary relief and anything useful.

  59. Angels could be in talks with the Rockies about once acquiring Young to flip him to the Angels…. who really knows at this point.

  60. eneff 4 years ago

    see… i knew you were some kind of stat cruncher… baseball people don’t pay attention to that uzr crap or whatever stat that is… they have their own way of evaluating talent… He doesn’t play the infield badly either… all you have to do is know baseball and watch the guy play

  61. There’s more to baseball than stats. Like presence, and chemistry.

  62. yep, and Seattle still has value coming from that trade, where’s the value for Texas, oh yeah, in philadelphia…

  63. The revenue we brought in for playing an extra 4 weeks of baseball and selling out darn near everyday towards the end of the season. Ohh and Mark Lowe.

  64. What do they need help with? We have a multi billionare Owner. Chuck Greenberg is the CEO/Owner. One of many owners.

  65. Brad426 4 years ago

    Oh my, you should brace yourself for the onslaught…

  66. Jonathan Rigby 4 years ago

    yes he does….. you are not allowed to watch the rangers anymore. Next you are going to talk about his gold gloves and how good jeter is at SS

  67. Yes at 1B/DH

  68. Brad426 4 years ago

    But isn’t the presence and chemistry just the means to an end? And the end, in the case of baseball, is the stats, no?

  69. bbxxj 4 years ago

    I am a scientist but also a chemist. What side should I be on?

  70. eneff 4 years ago

    Because a stat like batting average measures something concrete like how many hits you get… uzr and all that other stuff tries to measure things that have WAY too many variables to measure… but dude don’t take my word for it… Read what major league baseball players say about it

    You think you know something cause you can spout off retarded stats that some scientist who never played the game came up with… In this case scientists should stick to science and let baseball people do baseball

  71. eneff 4 years ago

    Also, poor-power? Dude hit 21 bombs last year… I agree that the Rangers have handled their situation poorly by signing Adrian Beltre, but when they gave Young his contract they were getting the same kind of production from him then as they are now.

  72. Yeah, most clubs are using advanced statistics these days to evaluate talent. Sorry, but it’s a part of the game now whether you like it or not. I don’t pay a lot of attention to advanced stats, so here’s my ‘traditional’ opinion on Michael Young.

    1. He is, in every way, a defensive liability at 3B. I’m not basing that on any defensive metric. I’m basing that on the fact that my eyes can see, and he’s terrible.

    2. He’s making $16 million a year for the next 3 years, and if he stays with the Rangers, he’ll be making that as a DH/utility guy.

    3. Batting average?

  73. Joe Morgan, don’t you have something more important to do right now?

  74. InLeylandWeTrust 4 years ago

    Bryan: 1

    Brandon Woodworth: 0

  75. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    Michael Young plays the game the right way

    he’s scrappy.

  76. Brad426 4 years ago

    He had a .444 slugging percentage in one of the best hitter’s park’s ever. His career slugging percentage is .448. That is poor power especially from a DH.

  77. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    Wowww 21 bombs in a hitters park from a DH/1B… woopty doo.. thats almost 1 million per home run

  78. Brad426 4 years ago

    You, sir, owe me a keyboard.

  79. eneff 4 years ago

    I don’t disagree that clubs are using advanced stats… but they have they’re own tried and true formulas for evaluating talent. It’s not like some scientist came along with UZR and totally changed the way clubs handle their players. UZR became famous because someone said the Red Sox organization was using it, but when asked, the Red Sox said “we have our own way of evaluating talent.” So I’m not in disagreement about clubs using some form of advanced stats. But on the subject of Young being terrible, I would be in disagreement with you. There’s nothing I’m gonna be able to say to change your mind, but I would say to keep in mind that the Rangers have asked him to change positions 3 times now, and he has been a serviceable infielder with a gold glove by the way. It’s very difficult to change positions, especially that many times.

  80. eneff 4 years ago

    The end would be wins

  81. Brad426 4 years ago

    Produced by people putting up good stats, as a general rule, correct? Or do lots of teams win by having great clubhouse guys that put up terrible numbers?

  82. eneff 4 years ago

    Again, I agree that he should not be a dh and the Rangers have handled the situation poorly… He should be in the infield. He’s a two-hole catalyst type player.

  83. MaineSox 4 years ago

    Chemists work in the front office, scientists did discover UZR after all.

  84. Did you see the numbers our 1B produced last year. He would be a clear upgrade.

  85. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    They don’t?? are you sure?

  86. Beltre is a clear upgrade however.

  87. We won last year with a great clubhouse and good numbers. Anybody that plays for Texas last year would tell you that.

  88. eneff 4 years ago

    Again, i would not have him as a dh/1b type… But I believe you are getting a little too hung up on this power thing… I agree that ideally you would like to have someone in that role hitting for power, but the Rangers have other guys that do that ie. Josh Hamilton, Adrian Beltre, Nelson Cruz. Young consistently hits around 90 rbi out of the two-hole and hits .300. Young hitting 21 bombs is just a plus. I think he’s a little better than lyle overbay.

  89. MaineSox 4 years ago

    I hear they plan on using Manny at SS in TB.

  90. eneff 4 years ago

    haha i’m not gonna lie… even though we seem to be enemies… kinda funny

  91. IF I won the lottery I would be a millionaire. IF I was 6-8 and very good at basketball I would be in the NBA. IF I could throw 100MPH with a 95MPH slider and a dirty 85 MPH change and could locate them all very well i would be an excellent pitcher in the MLB. This is fun with all of these IFs. This is why IFs don’t win championships.

  92. Brad426 4 years ago

    Texas won by having the best line-up in baseball. Stats… guys hit well and put up good stats. The touchy-feely hugs in the clubhouse may have help guys put up better stats, but they didn’t win a single game. Not one.

  93. They got that way not running their businesses into the ground, you still have a budget and last I checked a severe need in rotation help…

  94. eneff 4 years ago

    haha i’m down… at least there’s something we can agree on

  95. MaineSox 4 years ago

    You sure make a lot of “enemies” for such a funny guy.

  96. Brad426 4 years ago

    Nail, head. I have nothing against Young, but you have better options (offensively and defensively) at every position and way cheaper better options at DH. Trading him makes sense no matter how much you love the guy.

  97. eneff 4 years ago

    please read the entire comment and then respond… major league clubs don’t pay their players solely on how many home runs they hit

  98. According to your previous comment revenue means nothing when you have billionaire owners, I guess what’s relevant is only relevant in your immediate position, typical armchair GM…

  99. Brad426 4 years ago

    It’s the biting sarcasm. People never tend to find that as funny when it’s directed at THEM, I have found.

  100. infinitely better than overbay

  101. eneff 4 years ago

    The clubhouse is actually pretty important… That’s why managers put so much importance on it. The Mariners were supposed to be pretty decent last year but they had a terrible atmosphere in the clubhouse (like guys ratting out Griffey for falling asleep). So the way the team feels about each other is actually a big part of the equation.

  102. Brad426 4 years ago

    Yeah, I get it. And I don’t discount it. My point is that the good team chemistry is the means to an end… guys playing better and putting up good numbers. Production wins games, not guys all being best buddies. If being best buddies helps the production then more power and all that.

    Read about how many Steelers hate Big Ben, but they are still in the Super Bowl, right?

  103. eneff 4 years ago

    Yeah but they’re about to lose it haha

  104. The Steelers hate their QB who has won 2 Super Bowl rings?? Wow….I did not know that was possible.

    Or that from everything I’ve heard they all LOVE him so I really don’t get your comparison there.

  105. batting 280 with 20HR and 90RBIs is fine…
    its not great but its definitely acceptable especially with the loaded line up we have..

  106. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    Ummm so what exactly would you be paying a DH… a full time offensive player.. to serve beer in between innings?

  107. i agree, love the guy, but if he wants to help the team, take a trade, or cut your salary 10 million a year.. i mean for 15 million a year he cant really say alot.
    he isnt as great as he was before. i think he still holds value, just not at his salary. if it was about 6 million a year id say he is fine and we keep him BUT he isnt and we got alot of still young and growing players needing contracts…

  108. eneff 4 years ago

    maybe drive in rbi? like Young hits about 90 of them? funny joke though

  109. bbxxj 4 years ago

    Maybe because guys are on base ahead of him all the time? What were you saying about a great overall Texas lineup?

  110. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    everyone’s laughing at you

  111. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    marginally better, especially when defense at 1B is taken in to consideration..

    Overbay got a what 5 mil deal for 1 year, Young has 3 years left at 16 mil per

    At this point I’d take Overbay and his contract over Young and his

  112. HOW ABOUT THE ROCKIES AQUIRE YOUNG MOVE HIM TO THIRD AND HAVE STEWART PLAY 2B LIKE THEY ORIGINALLY PLANNED HIM TO DO IN THE PRESENCE OF GARRET ATKINS????

  113. eneff 4 years ago

    still gotta hit em in

  114. eneff 4 years ago

    that’s what I’d say too if I couldn’t think of a logical comeback

  115. Why don’t you tell me your starting rotation for 2011. Once you do that you will realize that you need rotation help.

    …ESPECIALLY if Webb doesn’t work out….ie. Ben Sheets but cheaper

  116. WOW. I feel like the Rangers management AND fans treat Young like dirt. I have never seen another team treat their franchise player like Texas has treated Young.

  117. Brad426 4 years ago

    Then you don’t keep up with the news. Google a little and get back to me.

  118. Brad426 4 years ago

    The “Man is causing global warming” side, duh.

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