Latest On Gio Gonzalez

WEDNESDAY, 10:55am: Gio Gonzalez trade talks haven't really started, reports ESPN's Buster Olney, who notes that the A's did not ask for Logan Morrison in brief check-in talks with the Marlins.

TUESDAY, 8:54am: The Marlins have pursued trades and free agents aggressively so far this offseason. Most recently, Gio Gonzalez has emerged as a possible trade target for the team. Here are the details on the Marlins’ offseason, via Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald:

  • The A’s have demanded a package containing Logan Morrison or Mike Stanton for Gonzalez and the Marlins “flatly rejected” the possibility.
  • C.J. Wilson will visit the Marlins after Thanksgiving. The free agent left-hander met with the Angels last night and has more visits scheduled.


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192 Comments on "Latest On Gio Gonzalez"


3 years 9 months ago

So in other words Gio probably isn’t going anywhere

Dodgersarelife
3 years 9 months ago

IF they wanted morrison or stanton, i could see the Dodgers offering Andre Ethier since they have been looking for cheap pitching. Also the A’s have coveted Ethier  ever since they trade him away…

Guest
3 years 9 months ago

But isn’t Ethier expensive and about to get even more expensive, so how does that work for the A’s?

Dodgersarelife
3 years 9 months ago

Good point. I think it depends if they relocate or not. I don’t see them trading anyone until they get a definitive answer on the move.

Guest
3 years 9 months ago

“I think it depends if they relocate or not” 

Oh, it will happen. The Giants can whine all they want, but it’s a lost battle for them. We’ll leave this discussion for another time, but the A’s are in sell mode right now and they are positioned to get lots of young talent in return. Bailey, Gio, Cahil, Suzuki (who I think the Red Sox should be all over) as well as others could be on the move. Dallas Bradden could also be moved too. 

Whole_New_World
3 years 9 months ago

The Giants whine? Oh please. All I hear is moaning and crying from A’s fans about this.

It was the Giants, BTW, who ceded the rights to the East Bay (Oakland) in the first place so that the A’s could even move to the Bay Area in 1968.

There is so much misconception that somehow the Giants are being mean to the A’s about giving up the rights to SJ. The reason the Giants can’t just give up San Jose is that the bonds that the Giants took out to build AT&T Park are contingent on owning the rights to San Jose. In other words, if the Giants gave up San Jose and then defaulted on the bonds, they would be criminally liable.

That being said, hey, I want the A’s in San Jose. But MLB has to put some safeguards in place. (See what the Expos/Nationals had to guarantee the Orioles as far as attendance goes.)

3 years 9 months ago

Well you must be reading in different places than some of the rest of us.  The most ignorant whiners are Giants fans, who seem to think the A’s shouldn’t be able to move to SJ because the Giants are somehow superior to the A’s.

No one is suggesting that the Giants don’t get compensated somehow.  I doubt it would include a media deal, as CSN is already in place.  They could pay a few million towards the Giants bonds, insure the Giants would sell for a certain price, etc.

Whole_New_World
3 years 9 months ago

Blanket statements like Giants fans are “ignorant whiners” just puts up walls.

The A’s have never been embraced in the Bay Area. It’s just how it is. And A’s fans hate it. The team won 3 STRAIGHT World Series, and barely broke a million in attendance one of those years. Oakland is a city with intractable problems. And it allowed Al Davis to ruin the Colosseum. The A’s need to leave.

If San Jose is the place, then Bud Selig needs to broker the deal. The Giants draw fans (attendance and media) from the Peninsula and Santa Clara County. Putting the A’s in SJ hurts Giants. (I think, not too much. But some.) There is no reason (from the Giants POV) just to give the territory to the A’s. However, it IS in MLB’s best interest. So, they need to step in and do what’s best for everyone.

3 years 9 months ago

Blanket statements? Nowhere did I say that if you’re a Giants fan, you’re an ignorant whiner.  All I said is that from where I’ve been reading, the biggest ones seem to be Giants fans.

It’s true that the Giants fans have overall drawn more fans, but it’s only become such a big gap since the Giants’ new stadium opened.  The A’s drew more almost every single year in the 80’s and early 90’s but both teams had low attendance in the 70’s and late 90’s.

Whole_New_World
3 years 9 months ago

The A’s do not have the support that the Giants have in the Bay Area. Not even close. We can measure that in attendance. We can measure it by response to the Giants winning 1 WS, vs. the lack of response to the A’s winning 4 WS (including in ’89 over the Giants). Or TV revenue. It doesn’t matter. The simple fact is that the A’s are not supported to anywhere near the level the Giants are.

I like the A’s. They have a ton of history and I want them to succeed. Would a new stadium in Oakland (say the Jack London Square location) make the A’s successful? Maybe. I don’t think the A’s can ever be successful in Oakland.

My whole point in commenting in this thread is to address ignorant attacks on the Giants for not simply relinquishing rights to San Jose. There is a reason they hold the rights. There is way for MLB to broker a deal. This is the way it must be, because surrendering those rights would result in a $$$ loss to the Giants. And nobody just hands over money, just because.

3 years 9 months ago

My point is that I haven’t read any comment suggesting that the Giants shouldn’t get some kind of compensation, as I stated in my first reply to you.

Whole_New_World
3 years 9 months ago

From your first reply:

“The most ignorant whiners are Giants fans, who seem to think the A’s
shouldn’t be able to move to SJ because the Giants are somehow superior
to the A’s.”

Somehow, that sounded like your point. Inflamed, derogatory crap. My bad for encouraging you.

Pete
3 years 9 months ago

How about the Giants give them back to the A’s because they A’s gave them to the Giants because they were in the exact same position the A’s are in now?

Nope, you guys need the money so you can keep giving worthless albatross contracts away, hows Barry Zito & Aaron Rowand doing these days anyway?

Whole_New_World
3 years 9 months ago

Hey, since we’re asking questions Petey, how’s talk of contracting the A’s hitting you?

If you want to roll around in the slop, that’s fine by me. Next time you’re out at an A’s game, take a little walk about 1/4 mile east and see what happens to you when (if) you make it to International Blvd.

The A’s play in a slum area, and allowed Al Davis to ruin their stadium. And now they are the only team among the original 16 that is considered when talk of contraction comes up. Kind of sad.

For the last time, the Giants can’t give the rights back. MLB, however, can make that happen. I know you don’t have the capacity to understand this, so I’m going to stop trying to explain this to you.

Pete
3 years 9 months ago

The A’s finished 2nd, 2nd, 3rd and 4th in AL attendance from 89-92. But sure, whatever you say, they “have never been embraced in the Bay Area”. Liar.

Whole_New_World
3 years 9 months ago

Well, you caught me. Crafty, you are. Called me a “liar.” Niiiiice.

Believe what you will. But, if Oakland is so supportive, build your stadium there. Why are we even talking about San Jose?

DickAlmighty
3 years 9 months ago

Dude, your info on the territorial rights is so off it’s hilarious.

The A’s gave the Giants territorial rights to Santa Clara County, not the other way around. The Giants were looking to relocate to SJ back in the early 1990s, and then A’s owner Walter Haas gave the rights to the South Bay to the Giants as a favor, to help them win support for a referendum that San Jose voters were going to vote on… After Lurie sold the team in 1995, MLB continued to honor the agreed-upon rights, even though the Giants were no longer considering the SJ move.

So, when the Giants needed some help from their east bay friendly rivals, the A’s were happy to lend a hand; but, ask the Giants for a favor, and it’s all what’s mine is mine (even if it wasn’t mine in the first place).

Whole_New_World
3 years 9 months ago

OK, everything you say in your post is accurate (regarding the A’s and San Jose rights). I’ve read your post. Did you bother to read mine? Because my post is absolutely accurate as well.

The A’s exist in Oakland because the Giants allowed it in 1968. So, if you want to talk about “first place”, then it’s all about the Giants in the Bay Area. Not the A’s.

Things have changed since the early 90’s. What was not considered valuable then (rights to San Jose) is considered valuable today. I don’t know why. And I don’t really care why things have changed. Doesn’t really matter why. It only matters that things have changed.

The perceived value of territorial rights to San Jose is a consideration (read: collateral) for the bonds the Giants have taken out on AT&T park. Again, it doesn’t matter whether I (or you) think that territorial rights have value. The bankers, money people, whomever issued those bonds do think that SJ territory has value. Having that territory is a CONDITION of the Bonds. The Giants can’t just give them up.

The overly-simplistic way A’s fans choose to see this is what is hilarious. Man, those Giants sure are mean. Why not just give the rights back to the A’s (who are so nice.)

Repeatedly, throughout these posts, I’ve stated that I hope that MLB brokers a deal that compensates the Giants (and satisfies the requirements of the bonds) so that the A’s can move to San Jose.

But, anytime I try to explain that the Giants can not just give the rights back to the A’s, I might as well be speaking Russian for all the A’s fans seem to understand. Oh well.

ateam043
3 years 9 months ago

The only way I see that happening is if the A’s want him for that one year and then offering arbitration.

craigkimbrelfan
3 years 9 months ago

Not really.  Ethier is a free agent after 2012 and will demand much more money than the A’s have to pay him.  Stanton and LoMo have several years before being even arb-eligible.  Assuming they’d want Ethier doesn’t really make too much sense.

hrbomber1113
3 years 9 months ago

Ethier is a terrible defender with health concerns and needs to be platooned. He also only has 1 year of team control at over $10MM+ and wouldn’t be around when the A’s are contenders. Gio has his warts but he’s young with a boatload of talent and won’t be a FA until after 2015. This makes ZERO sense.

Dodgersarelife
3 years 9 months ago

Ethier would be the base. Of course him alone is not enough and his health problems are nothing to worry about. Also It makes total sense. There have been rumors of billy beane kicking himself in the but for years after trading ethier. Ethier with Webster, songco and Mabye silvero and sands could get it done. PLATONED! Your kidding right. This guy is a guy capable of 30 hr and .280 and above average. The last two years were diminished due to bizarre injurys. As a result of a knee injury and pinky brake his fb rate went down hill next year he wil rebound. And of billy beane is any sort of sabermetrist he knows that as well.

Pete
3 years 9 months ago

Ethier does not belong on the Oakland A’s and nowhere ever have the A’s ever coveted him since trading him. Bradley helped send the A’s to the ALCS, Ethier was the price. Every A’s fan accepts this…and we don’t want him back under any circumstances, certainly not for Gio or Bailey, lol.

hrbomber1113
3 years 9 months ago

Your argument is completely flawed. Show me one instance online where Beane has said he wants Ethier back? And at first you say his injury issues are nothing to worry about, but then use them to explain his drop in production the last 2 years. Which is it? They aren’t a big deal or are the reason he hasn’t hit as well? You can’t have it both ways. And still, why would he want Ethier in a package at all? He’d be looking for players for the future, not just one year for a guy like Gio Gonzalez with a ton of potential left. Plus like I said, Ethier is expensive. And yes PLATOONED! Do you even know what that means? It means he sits vs LHP because he can’t touch lefties. In the last three years he’s hit .215/.279/.329 against lefties. That is completely unusable. So yes he needs to be platooned since he’s below replacement level vs LHP. And potential only goes so far. He isn’t some young kid anymore and we know his ceiling. Sabermetrics aren’t doctors. They don’t know when a injuries will cease and a rebound will come. Like I said, AT HIS BEST he’s a platoon OF who is absolutely horrendous in the field with 1 year and $10MM left. Why would someone trade a young pitcher with ace potential with 4 years left of control for him at all? If you wanted Gonzalez you’d have to give up a young hitter with tremendous potential who’s cheap and has years of control left. Ethier is none of those things.

Dodgersarelife
3 years 9 months ago

OK here it goes…… YES Ethier is horrendous against lefties, but your argument about him being horrendous in the field is mute. HIS PREVIOUS STATS SUGGEST THAT HE IS AN EVERYDAY PLAYER AND SHOULD NOT BE PLATOONED!:
His URZ was 5.2, suggesting he is above average in the field. Not to mention, he did win a gold glove. I don’t follow URZ, because it year to year correlation is the worst amongst any stat, but by watching him in person many of times, it is easy to say that he makes all the plays in and out of his zone. This is an argument you cannot argue with if you have not witnessed his defense in person. This is why the MLB teams have scouts and analytical geniuses because it is a two way street. Next, his injuries were a big deal, but not career threatening a la Grady Sizemore Knee injurys. Both were Bizarre injury’s and are not going to be chronic. Look it up if you dont think so. Next, his FB’s in his 31 hr season was 201 FBs. Next, in his 11 homerun 2011 season he hit 120 FB. That is completely skewed. YOU NEVER see a drop in FB rate quite like that ever. Expect that to rebound in terms of HR. His BA has always been good and does not concern me. And you are right where you say that the A’s wont take him. Definitely not ALONE. I said he would be a good base.

hrbomber1113
3 years 9 months ago

Ok…let me get this straight…you admit he’s horrendous against lefties but still say he should play every day based on previous stats. Those stats are garnered almost entirely against RHP and using someone who can hit somewhere closer to league average against lefties instead of him would yield a much greater overall output from RF. If someone has proven they can’t handle a certain handed pitcher that is the definition of someone who should be platooned. Just because he put up good enough numbers against RHP to make his overall line ok doesn’t mean you continue to let him hit like a pitcher against LHP.

And secondly, you use his UZR of this year which as 5.3 to suggest he’s above average in the field AND THEN have the audacity to then say you don’t like UZR because it can randomly fluctuate for a year or so. That’s why you’re supposed to use 3-4 year samples. So you don’t like the stat but still cherry pick the one year he’s been decent to prove he’s an above average fielder. That completely bombs your credibility and shows your bias. In the last 4 years his UZR was -8.3, -13.5 and -16.5. You already acknowledged how UZR can fluctuate randomly for a year so do you really think he went from TERRIBLE for 3 years straight to above average the year he fought a knee injury for several months? Or did UZR just fluctuate randomly. I think any rational and non biased fan would have to go with the latter

Saying you’ve seen him in person already is also hurting your credibility. I’m going off stats and scouts instead of my personal findings. You aren’t a scout. Many terrible defenders can look just fine because they make the plays hit to them but they miss so many because of a lack of range. And really…the Gold Gloves? You’re using them? The award the gave Rafael Palmeiro a GG while playing 28 total games at 1B? They are one of the worst awards in sports. Derek Jeter proves that alone and I’m a Yankee fan. The best OF in baseball by far the last two years is by the advanced stats Brett Gardner but he doesn’t have one. It’s an offensive award. Hell Matt Kemp is below average too and he won one. But I know I know, he makes all the plays. You’re missing the point entirely. Ethier wouldn’t be part of the package for Gio. That’s not what they’re looking for and he isn’t valuable to them unless it’s a 3 team trade where they flip him. They’re looking for young cost controlled players. He isn’t a start. And I didn’t say his injuries were career threatening, but if you were trading for a player for 1 year and he’s been hurt recently a couple of times, that’s an issue. But it doesn’t matter since he’s not what they’re looking for at all, in any kind of package.

So you’ve admitted he’s terrible against lefties, but for some reason think he shouldn’t be platooned. And you admit UZR fluctuates but choose the only time he was decent in the last 4 years over the other years of absolute Adam Dunn type defense. Then you use the old, “I’ve seen him in person” reasoning and finally the GG. It’s pretty obvious that your bias as a Dodger’s fan is just too much to let you see the truth. Any rational person knows he should be platooned and is awful on defense. But if you aren’t rational enough to realize that, then the argument can never be won. Your bias makes you too irrational on the subject.

DickAlmighty
3 years 9 months ago

Moot. Not mute.

chico65
3 years 9 months ago

No LoMo fo’ Gio?

3 years 9 months ago

Can’t blame the A’s for asking, but there is no way you’re getting Stanton for Gio.

johnnycomelately9
3 years 9 months ago

Yes but Morrison should be a no brainier.  Maybe the Fish are trying to build his market.

3 years 9 months ago

I think they legitimately want to hold on to Morrison. He’s really our only solid left handed bat right now and he’s beginning to show some power. 

Matt Talbert
3 years 9 months ago

I would have flipped LoMa for Gonzalez rather quickly.  Stanton is WAY too valuable.

3 years 9 months ago

It said “package”… So I would assume a straight flip was out of the question.

3 years 9 months ago

if im fla i think i seriously consider moving morrison for gio. morrison seems like a bit of a headcase and was actually sent down toward the end of the season bc of his attitude and what not. and really his numbers havent been all that great even though he’s stilla young guy. gio is a stud with tons of upside still. if all it costs for gio is morrison or even if they have to throw another prospect in, i would absolutely do it if im the marlins. being from Philly and a Phillies fan i hope gio stays away from the marlins and the nl east all together, unless Ruben finds a way to get him back in a Phils jersey. (Phils traded him and gavin floyd  to the white sox for freddy garcia.  one of the few moves in the last 7-8 yrs that hasnt worked out for the Phils)

johnsilver
3 years 9 months ago

Beane is out of his mind also and Beinfest should have known that prior to even asking for one of his SP.. Beane always wants more for his SP than they are worth and those Athletics DEARLY need ANY kind of offense after losing both Willingham + Crisp.

Lomo or Stanton. HAHAHA.

fpsantangeloswingman
3 years 9 months ago

Are you saying ANY general manager should be reasonable with their demands for a trade? You’d make for a terrible GM. 

YanksFanSince78
3 years 9 months ago

We are talking about a top of rotation 25ish lefty power pitcher for a mediocre OBP 25-30 hrish corner OF with poor defense right (Lomo).

What did the Fish expect the A’s to ask for considering their farm system is rather week above high A ball?

johnsilver
3 years 9 months ago

That was the point in not even asking Beane for his SP.. beinfest knowing his top prospects are hovering in lower A ball since over the last couple of years have promoted all the top guys in Stanton, LoMo, Coghlan, Gaby etc..

Those are the future of the marlins and the Fish have JJ, Sanchez, Noasco as a 1-3 headed into 2012. Gio would be nice, but not worth giving up Gaby, Lomo, nor Lomo and Gio would not help this team a much as the loss of Gaby, Stanton, even Lomo would hurt them.

vtadave
3 years 9 months ago

So instead, Beane should ask for a combination of Brett Hayes and Mike Dunn?

johnsilver
3 years 9 months ago

Interesting you mention Hayes and not the joke about the trade..

John Baker should be back from his TJ sometime in 2012, since has been a full season since the surgery. Hopefully he will be able to since he was a very good offensive C prior to the surgery on his throwing arm.

switchhitingjesus
3 years 9 months ago

No way you give up Stanton, that guy is a future MVP. Lomo is more realistic, but one would have to be hard pressed to give up either of them.

jhawk1000
3 years 9 months ago

I can definitely understand not giving up Stanton he’s going to be beast, however Morrison was in the doghouse some and a change of scenery might not have a bad way to go for the fish.

Brv Rocks
3 years 9 months ago

Yeah, I agree.  I think Morrison for Gio sounds very reasonable for the Fish. 

chico65
3 years 9 months ago

LoMo for Gio sounds like a fishy deal to me.

Dynasty22
3 years 9 months ago

Pun intended?

chico65
3 years 9 months ago

Of course

mjnord
3 years 9 months ago

Morrison for Gio straight up? if so that sounds like a horrible deal for the A’s. The story says they want a package with 2-3 prospects and Lomo. Personally I don’t think the Marlins have enough to put up a Haren like deal.

iains
3 years 9 months ago

So, for Toronto to make that deal, sounds like Travis Snider.

Brv Rocks
3 years 9 months ago

You aren’t seriously comparing Travis Snider to Logan Morrison or Mike Stanton are you???  Those guys can actually hit in the major leagues.  The A’s would want a LOT more for Gio than Travis Snider.

nictonjr
3 years 9 months ago

Snider, Gose and a SP prospect sounds pretty good…

Zuidvogels
3 years 9 months ago

Agreed, that is price is too steap. Can’t blame Beane though. Gio is under control for 4+ seasons. I know he wants a Heren type package but Gio doesn’t have the track record Heren did at the time of the trade. But I believe Gio has more team controled years left. Although if he keeps pitching the way he has been he will be getting expensive quick. IMO if he gets moved it will be for a large package, either by quanity or quality standars. But it will be less then the Heren deal. Unless Beane get’s someone who is extremly desperate. But it will be interesting to see how it goes.

TheHotCorner
3 years 9 months ago

Gio for Stanton – not a chance.  Now LoMo, I think that is acceptable. 

mjnord
3 years 9 months ago

Straight up??? Are you kidding me that is a horrible deal.

3 years 9 months ago

Marlins said LoMo for Shields.

Casor_Greener
3 years 9 months ago

They should try and trade him straight up for Jesus Montero

corey23
3 years 9 months ago

Max Stassi projects to be ready by the time a stadium is finished.

vtadave
3 years 9 months ago

He hasn’t hit a lick in the minors, so not sure there…

Casor_Greener
3 years 9 months ago

I mean for the bat, not to be catcher

sportsfan07
3 years 9 months ago

It would take more than Montero to pry away Gio. Montero is still an unknown whereas Gio has a pretty good track record.

3 years 9 months ago

I agree Stanton is too steep but LoMo, that’s fairly reasonable. Maybe if the A’s chipped in another low-level prospect.

Dan Bowen
3 years 9 months ago

All of the A’s prospects are low level. Unfortunately.

OaklandFan22
3 years 9 months ago

im pretty sure you havent even seen there prospects. 

vtadave
3 years 9 months ago

Other than Michael Choice, it’s a pretty bad system really.  I’ve seen several of these guys (Carter, Taylor, etc.) come through Reno. Sonny Gray is generally thought of as a #3 type. Nothing to get excited about outside of Choice.

jpshark
3 years 9 months ago

I Don’t think so…the Marlins are going to have to include the extra prospect(s) to get a deal done. Like I said up above, Gio is coming off a 3.5 WAR 200 k season and LoMo is a solid, not great hitter w defensive issues. No way would I deal Gio straight up for LoMo and I’m fairly certain Beane would have the same opinion which is why I don’t see a deal happening.

3 years 9 months ago

Lomo for Gio is a fair trade
but I don’t think it makes sense for the Marlins

3 years 9 months ago

It’s a fair trade straight up, but I may have read somewhere else that it would be Lomo + a prospect. 

Guest
3 years 9 months ago

If Logan is fair straight up, we can put this thread to rest and Gio will be wearing Yankee pinstripes in 10 days. The Yanks can easily match or better that proposal.

3 years 9 months ago

I’m thinking the Beane really wants to hang on to Gio and will only let him go if someone overpays. 

jsmoltz29
3 years 9 months ago

I agree.  Seems like what Wren is up to with Jurrjens too…

mjnord
3 years 9 months ago

I agree I have a feeling the Yankees will panic and offer a Haren type deal.

bleachercreature
3 years 9 months ago

If the Marlins gave them a package of Logan Morrison and some lesser prospects, they would have another front line starter to make a good rotation really good. Then they could sign this Cespedes character with all this new found money they’ve apparently been hiding for years. They’ll be able to replace LoMo, get a front line starter and have the big news splash they’ve been craving so much. Stop offering stupid deals to Pujols and actually jump on something. Obviously all this is dependent on how much LoMo is valued (the Marlins don’t even like him for some stupid reason) and how much they are wiling to offer someone like Cespedes.

John DiRienzo
3 years 9 months ago

WHY ARE WE YELLING

bleachercreature
3 years 9 months ago

who’s yelling?

Eduardo Medina
3 years 9 months ago

Why not Morrison? he´s an average outfielder, not the greatest thing in Miami, maybe that´s what he needs, one way trip to Oakland

Phadreus
3 years 9 months ago

Stanton is too much for Gio but Morrison is too little.  Morrison does look like a solid bat, but he is not a special player.  Stanton is special.  If Morrison where the target, I imagine Oakland would need back a couple of interesting prospects (top 30’s) as well.  Maybe Hand and another player.  If Oakland wanted Stanton, they would probably have to include Bailey (FL needs a closer) and one of Carter or Allen as well.  I still wouldn’t trade Stanton if I was FL, but that is at least real value for him.

mjnord
3 years 9 months ago

I like Stanton alot as an A’s fan but Gio, Bailey, and Carter for just him are you kidding me? Thats insane why would the A’s make that deal. Billy dosent have to trade Gio if he dosen’t want to right now so if he gets moved it’s going to have to be a great deal. It’s would be tough to get a deal for Stanton but if it happened it would probably involve gio and a few prospects on each side.

Pete
3 years 9 months ago

Morrison, Yelich & Ozuna and maybe one more (Nolasco? Coghlan?) get you Gio and its a fair trade. Gio would destroy the NL.

3 years 9 months ago

  What do the Marlins expect to give up for a starter with #1 potential that has proven to big one of the top young starters.  The Marlins GM should ask for McCarthy if he doesn’t want to give up quality.  Beane wants a great package of players for Gio because he doesn’t need to trade him.  I can understand not wanting to trade Stanton but Morisson plays out of position and has had attitude issues. 

Ricardo Elorza
3 years 9 months ago

So, not only they lowballed Pujols, they’re now lowballing the rest of the league… seriously, you don’t even want Morrison, take the money and leave

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start_wearing_purple
3 years 9 months ago

It seems more likely that the Marlins are going through the motions of a PR campaign rather than actually intending to spend money on the team.

fishfan4life
3 years 9 months ago

Free agency has been going on for how long now? A few weeks? Saying that right now is just plain ignorant.

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start_wearing_purple
3 years 9 months ago

Defensive much?

3 years 9 months ago

Well, after the fourth straight lowball offer (that had a higher number first attached to it from an “anonymous source”) it is seeming more and more likely that the Marlins are more interested in giving off the image of spending than actually spending.

Repeat: they have not made a competitive offer to a single player yet.  And every offer that has been originally reported was actually way higher than the real offer.

cody2818
3 years 9 months ago

so what u guys are saying is the marlins should have offered pujols and reyes huge deals before any one else even offers a deal? u guys ever buy anything off of ebay, u dont start high because u cant come down from that high offer. lets say ur trying to buy something thats worth $100(random numbers) but no one else has made an offer u dont make a $100 bid u try to get for as cheap as possible, no point in wasting money. 

chico65
3 years 9 months ago

Someone should buy you some “y”s and “o”s.

3 years 9 months ago

What is so hard to comprehend about opening offers? What team ever, EVER, gives out their final offer to a FA before any other team even offers a contract to the player?

3 years 9 months ago

If it were an opening offer, why would an “anonymous source” repeatedly say the offer was higher than it was?  That would only serve to drive the price up.

Imagine this…every offer the Marlins have out there is accepted.  Their payroll increases from roughly 60 mill to roughly 110+ mill.  Do you think this is actually even a possibility?  Do you think there is any way in the world that they would actually expand payroll like that?  With all those offers out there, that is what the Marlins are trying to pretend is true.

3 years 9 months ago

So where do you believe the marlins payroll will be?

3 years 9 months ago

Here’s their payrolls the last 6 years:
2011: $57,695,000
2010: $47,429,719
2009: $36,834,000
2008: $21,811,500
2007: $30,507,000
2006: $14,998,500

The Marlins are already spending more than they ever have.  Given Loria’s notorious cheapness, I doubt they will spend enough to add even just Pujols (~30mill).  If they actually expand payroll 20 mill or so (assuming, probably incorrectly, that the new stadium will be a big moneymaker), they would have a chance to add either Reyes, or Buehrle plus a mid-range guy.

Though, I honestly doubt they get any of the top 10 free agents or so.

baybombers
3 years 9 months ago

geeez!!!! basically just a 15 million payroll in 06?

3 years 9 months ago

Yea.  Outrageous, right?  No wonder they got in trouble for not even spending as much as they received in revenue sharing.  They would get roughly 30+ mill per year in revenue sharing and Loria would turn around and spend 15 mill on players.  Fortunately, MLB set a spending minimum (gotta spend at least as much as you receive in revenue sharing).

3 years 9 months ago

So your basing your numbers on what they’ve done in the past? basically all the money that could have been made at the games went to the dolphins owner everything except ticket sales. loria has stated many times that the miami marlins will be a middle of the pack team in terms of payroll ($92 million). so basing on the past is not accuarte because they were getting ripped off by the dolphins owner. I’ll bet you a coke marlins payroll is above 85 million.

miamiroc
3 years 9 months ago

Have you ever heard of an agent? Its a bargaining maneuver that a players agent will always try. Just like the agent for every major FA will be tied to the Yankees in order to inflate the asking price. Its really not that complicated. You float out some fake figures through an “anonymous source” and all of a sudden you have helped set an imaginary market value for a players services. 

miamiroc
3 years 9 months ago

Wait…you know the exact amount of money and the terms of the deals offered to each player? You must work for the Marlins then because no one else knows. No one will really know until after free agency starts and all these writers stop spitting out preliminary numbers out of thin air and then correcting themselves through twitter.

Zuidvogels
3 years 9 months ago

So every other team rumored to be interested in certain players, but not signed anyone is also on a PR campaign right?

Guest
3 years 9 months ago

I don’t get it? Logan Morrison and the Marlins flat out said no for Gio? I’m very confused at the moment. Stanton is obvious, but…

Shu13
3 years 9 months ago

They have repeatedly said this off season that Morrison is not available….

Guest
3 years 9 months ago

..which is dumb if there is a chance to land a 4 win/war pitcher with 3-4 years of control for a guy who is redundant on the Marlins at the moment.

Shu13
3 years 9 months ago

I’m not claiming the intelligence of the statement….just that they have pretty high value of him….

BoSoxSam
3 years 9 months ago

Agreed. I laughed for a few minutes at the mention of Stanton, but Morrison…I would do that as the A’s.

Although I suppose maybe they were asking for a ton more to go with him in the package. But if you’re the Marlins, you can’t just say no to any offer involving Morrison. He’s not THAT good.

Guest
3 years 9 months ago

I’m sure there were complimentary pieces to a trade, but if Logan Morrison was the headlining name in a trade for Gio, perhaps the Marlins haven’t fully expelled their stupidity just yet. 

BoSoxSam
3 years 9 months ago

I guess you could be glad as a Marlins fan that at least they’re overrating their players, instead of dumping them off for prospects.

Nah I dunno. Gio for Morrison+ is pretty good.

NatsTown
3 years 9 months ago

Marlins are crazy not to give up LoMo for Gio. Of course it depends on if the A’s were asking for more than that

mjnord
3 years 9 months ago

which the article states that they were asking for a package centered around LoMo

Guest
3 years 9 months ago

non