Marlins Offer Ten-Year Deal To Albert Pujols

The latest on free agent first baseman Albert Pujols, with the newest updates on top…

  • The Marlins' new offer to Pujols is for ten years, tweets MLB Network's Jon Heyman.
  • Jim Bowden of MLB Network Radio tweets that the newest Marlins offer is the one Lozano needed to bring to the Cardinals in order to push St. Louis to up their own bid.
  • The Marlins met with Pujols twice on Monday night, writes Scott Miller of CBS Sports, and boosted their nine-year offer to Pujols in the process. No decision was imminent as midnight approached, according to Miller.
  • MLB.com's Joe Frisaro tweets that the Marlins are set to meet with Lozano on Tuesday as well.
  • ESPN.com's Jayson Stark talked to a source who described Pujols' meeting with the Marlins today as "very positive, very upbeat." The club hopes to meet with Pujols again tonight to determine one way or the other if the slugger is seriously considering the Fish.
  • The Cardinals view the Marlins as "a real threat" for Pujols, tweets Newsday's Ken Davidoff. Davidoff says the Cards will meet with Lozano tonight, while Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets that the Marlins may meet with Pujols' reps again tonight as well.
  • The meeting between Pujols' agent Dan Lozano and the Marlins lasted 30 minutes, tweets Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald.  MLB.com's Joe Frisaro says the Marlins have strong interest in Pujols.
  • The Cubs met with Lozano today, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.
  • The Cardinals have yet to modify their January proposal to Pujols, writes Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.  That was a nine-year offer worth about $22MM per year, so only eight years remain if the offer is still valid.  Strauss believes the offer included significant deferred money, as does the Marlins' current nine-year proposal.  The Cubs' interest in Pujols is viewed skeptically, while the Blue Jays are "believed a potential player."  The Marlins and Cardinals are expected to meet with Lozano today, writes Strauss.


212 Responses to Marlins Offer Ten-Year Deal To Albert Pujols Leave a Reply

  1. Jessie Kreitman 4 years ago

    I think he will take anything the cards throw at him

    • Then why didn’t he take their offer?

      • The players union encourages free agents to test free agency even if they intend to sign back with their team.  Keeps salaries going up.

        • jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

          Agents encourage it too.  Why sign the first offer you get, if someone may offer more?  Even if you aren’t planning on leaving, your current team may up their offer to match it.

        • I agree, but that means that he isn’t just going to take whatever the cards throw at him.

        • boy,you are 100% right.and we the fan pay for it big time.that is the reason i do not go to any mlb games.

    • if that was the case he would of has signed by now

  2. Sam Banks 4 years ago

    In the world of no news at all to report…….

  3. I like the hardball approach the Cards have taken so far in this situation. Yeah, they’re risking losing him, but it’ll take a team coughing up a bunch of cash to put them out.

  4. If he was going to take anything the cards offered he would have taken their offer before spring training.  I think he is wanting the money.  I hope he stays in St. Louis as long as they don’t overpay him to the point they can not compete.

    • Dave 4 years ago

      You can’t really blame a guy for wanting to see how high the offers can go so you don’t settle for less than you’re worth.   

      I think at this point though, he has to be disappointed in the fact that no other team has even attempted to out-do the Cardinals and perhaps a little embarrassed to admit defeat and take the Cardinals offer until some team does come up with a contract he could live with, and allows the Cardinals to counter offer or match it.  

      • jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

        I could see the Cardinals making a nominal increase so that he can save face, even if no other team makes a serious offer.

    • jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

      I think he intends to resign with the Cardinals, but wants them to increase their offer.  He’s hoping for another team to make a legitamite bid, so that the Cardinals are forced to come up with more money.

      As it stands, with Miami rumored to have offered less than St. Louis, unless the Cubs and/or Blue Jays come up with something big, the Cardinals are playing it right.  They have to be concerned with fan reaction, and if Pujols leaves for LESS money, fans are going to support the team, and hate the player.

      Unless everything Pujols has said so far is a lie, I believe the Cardinals will be given the opportunity to match any offer.  I also think they won’t have to quite match it – maybe have just less than is offered, or same as offered but more deferred….  Unless someone makes him an obscene offer, I think he’s back with the Cardinals.

  5. Remington 4 years ago

    The Blue Jays have enough money to sign both ALbert AND Prince. Can you imagine those guys WITH Batista? wow thats the scariest 3-4-5 lineup in the history of baseball

    • sports33 4 years ago

      But then you’re committing $100 million + to a full-time DH. Sound like sound business to you?

    • grownice 4 years ago

       That’s why there is video games. Real life is much more disappointing then that.

    • I would probably go with the 3-4-5 of the murderer’s row. (Ruth, Gehrig, Meusel) or anyone who batted with Dimaggio and Gehrig.

      • slasher016 4 years ago

        Try picking three players from the same era at least.

        • Triteon 4 years ago

          In what respect did these players come from different eras?

          • slasher016 4 years ago

            Remington was talking about a 3-4-5 of Pujols/Fielder/Bautista (not necessarily in that order).  Ruth played until 35, Musial didn’t start playing until 41. So that corollary isn’t feasible.

          • Triteon 4 years ago

            Meusel, Bob Meusel, an integral part of the ’27 Yankees.  Hit .337 with 103 RBIs behind Gehrig.  Not Stan Musial.

          • slasher016 4 years ago

            Yep I’m dumb.  I should read slower.

          • imachainsaw 4 years ago

            Bob Muesel = Stan Musial???
            that’s a fail.

          • Andy_B 4 years ago

            Ruth played until 35? Musial started at 41?  Please share what you are smoking.

          • slasher016 4 years ago

            The years Andy.  1935 and 1941.  But regardless I read too fast and didn’t realize he was talking about Muesel.

  6. Ive pretty much liked everything the cubs have done this off season.

  7. Bones 4 years ago

    I think the Cubs will go 5 years at $27 million with very little deferred. Could get it done.

    • jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

      I think Theo is smarter than that.  Why pay Pujols $27m a year over the next three years when you aren’t expected to compete?  Wait for Votto (who will be MUCH better than Pujols in two or three years), and give the money to him instead.

      Pujols is probably smarter than that too.  How much is he going to be able to get in five years?  He’s already declining, and many GM’s don’t trust his reported age of 31.

      • Wait, Votto is going to be better than AP? We can just make these claims now?

        Votto put up numbers only marginally better than Pujols this year. (OPS+ 156 v. 151) He’s three years younger, but will be turning 31 in 2014 (his first year of FA). Why would I think Votto will be better 2014 onward? He certainly has less of an established pedigree. Pujols was pretty much dynamite the second half of the season and POs. I’m not buying the decline, yet even if he is declining, why would we expect him to decline harsher than Votto?

        • Lucas Kschischang 4 years ago

           In 2-3 years, do you think Pujols will be able to keep up with Votto?

          • See above post. I read jred wrong. If I were the cubs though, you don’t even know if Votto will become available or who you are betting against. So it would be some gamble to bank of Joey V. That said, I can understand the argument.

            As an aside, I think the Pujols “decline” news was greatly blown out of proportion. He had a bad start, and then buried that start with almost four months of classic Pujols numbers. Last offseason, before his April and May (and June injury), people were talking about how he would probably be great for another 6-7 years. One bad start has not changed too much of that for me. I think he’ll be a total MVP-caliber force for at least 5 years. 

        • jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

          Based on ages, I would expect Votto to have similar production in 2014 as he did this year.  I would expect Pujols’s production to be worse than this year.

          If they were basically the same this year, and I expect Pujols to decline and Votto remain level, who is better in 3 years?  This isn’t rocket science.

          • I read your post wrong at first. I would probably concede that Votto will be at least as good in 2014. My point was that we have little reason to think that Votto at 31 would be better than Pujols at 31. However, your point (I see now) was based on the Cubs not being good for the next 2-3 years, which would make the first  years of the contract questionable. 

          • jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

            For the record, I agree that Votto at 31 isn’t likely to be as good as Pujols at 31.  I just think he’ll be better than Pujols at 34.

      • KEK 4 years ago

        Didn’t Theo also say that the Cubs were not going to go after him? Seems to me that this is just Pujols trying to jack up the price for his services.

        • jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

          They met with his agent.  Cubs may be trying to drive his price up as well, since it would hamper the Cardinals ability to sign other players, but Theo needs to be careful that he doesn’t make an offer he’s forced to pay.

    • Andy_B 4 years ago

      no it wouldn’t that’s only 135 million dollars

  8. smokinjays 4 years ago

    Every time somebody gets excited about the Jays signing a big FA this winter, I puke in my mouth a little.  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.  Jays’ management could not have been more clear on their intentions re: big-name free agents this offseason.

    • D_Koff 4 years ago

      Except with the recent changes to the CBA it may have changed the Blue Jays thinking on long term big dollar contracts.

      • grownice 4 years ago

         No, it hasn’t. Fielder was at least remotely believable,  a Pujols rumor is just them being absurd now.

  9. It must be so nice for agents that the Jays don’t say anything.

    • stl_cards16 4 years ago

      So they can leak their own misleading information?

      • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

        yes, because they don’t confirm or deny any rumours..

        I bet you albert pujols wasn’t even written on the chalkboard at the beginning of the off season.

  10. johnsmith4 4 years ago

    Blue Jays have plenty of money available in their budget.  But, I doubt they will “overpay” Pujols.  The other teams have to be near the limits of their budgets for Blue Jays to have a chance at signing Pujols.  This scenario is not unthinkable if Yankees and Red Sox are not bidding on Pujols.  After all, they are the “market makers”.

    • I wouldn’t be surprised if they simply kicked the tires about Pujols, just to test the market, I would be more inclined to believe the Fielder rumours, as he fits the team model of a mid 20’s player to grow with the team.

      If they choose to wait for Votto, he may not be around, a comparable player is available now in Fielder, with as you said, Boston and NYY out of the mix, seems like the perfect time.

  11. firealyellon 4 years ago

    St Louis has won 2 of the last 6 World Series.  The Cubs have won 2 of the last 104.  Hmmm…I wonder where Albert will play?

    • grownice 4 years ago

      Clearly…Seattle.

      • stl_cards16 4 years ago

        You must work for Netflix.

        • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

          are you referring to those radio commercials???

          • stl_cards16 4 years ago

            COOOORRRRRECT!!!!!!

            lol ok that was a bit cheesy

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            so funny, I hear those all the time!! I hate them so much, they make no sense..

            Funny how stupid commercials no, no boarders!

          • stl_cards16 4 years ago

            Yea, I usually listen to fox sports radio while I’m working and they are on there constantly.

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            dbl post

    • Redsoxn8tion 4 years ago

      I’d like to see him go to the Marlins. Though I know he’ll end up back in St Louis.

  12. HerbertAnchovy 4 years ago

    The Marlins are a major threat to The Cardinals’ Pujols?

    Couldn’t help it.

  13. JohnOrpheus 4 years ago

    Everyone assumed, and continues to assume, the Marlins were bluffing. They clearly are not, and I think Albert will sign with them if they offer the best package. And I think the Reyes deal was essential to their bid to sign Albert. Reyes signifies the Marlins are for real, and I think Albert recognizes that. I think Albert would like the idea of a basicially a brand new team with a new stadium and new uniforms (even if they are ugly) that he can be the face of.

    I put Cards/Marlins at even odds each. It all depends on who want Albert more, and all signs point to the upstart Miami Marlins.

    • Jdobb 4 years ago

      Disagree 100 percent. Albert will be a Cardinal by X-Mas along with Furcall

    • jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

      I think they have to be the best package by more than a hair.  Leaving St. Louis would be something big for him, especially with a special needs child. He has roots in the community, and isn’t going to leave St. Louis unless he is  blown away.

      Besides, much as Reyes shows that the Marlins are serious about winning, Ozzie Guillen shows that they aren’t serious about anything else.  Pujols would strangle Guillen after three games – four max.

      Also, the Marlins have refused to give out no-trade clauses. They are willing to sign anyone, so long as they can trade all of them away after a year or two, when they can’t afford them. You think Pujols is going to accept that? Reyes didn’t have a choice if he was going to get paid (and overpaid, in this case), but Pujols does. The Marlins offer is less than St. Louis’s already, and I doubt they are going to beat it significantly.

    • FreshMintt 4 years ago

      It’s not like he’s already the face of the Cardinals or anything…

    • Why would he want all ‘new’? He’s a legend with a legacy in St. Louis. In Miami he’s a legend. In STL he has it MADE. The media respects him, the fans worship him, and he’s close to being the all-time greatest Cardinal. In Miami he’s just a Star that they signed.

      The fans will cheer, but it will mean nothing. They’ll hold up ‘I love you Albert’ posters, but there will be no substance. This has got to mean SOMETHING to him.

      What about his teammates? Molina Is his best friend, and the overall chemistry in there is great. His family lives in the area, so he sees them often enough. Oh, and Albert generally seems to not like players that slack or are over energetic. How’s that gonna workout for Hanley, Jose Reyes, LoMo, etc. I also wonder how he’ll like Gullien? Guy’s pretty loud and energetic.

      Happiness has got to play a factor somewhere.

      • heybatter 4 years ago

        Don’t kid yourself…today’s athlete is all about the money.

      • mistermonkey 4 years ago

        Ask LeBron James what he thinks about all of this. If you’re lucky, Pujols won’t announce his “surprising” decision via a hilarious half-hour show on ESPN.

        • Popular_mechanics_for_pitchers 4 years ago

          Make it an hour, need more commercial rev

      • cachhubguy 4 years ago

        Molina’s contract is up after this year. He can join Albert in Miami next year.

  14. this makes me sick

    • stl_cards16 4 years ago

      That most recent update is a bit misleading. There was no meeting with Pujols today, only Lozano. It may have been a very upbeat meeting but the man that ultimately will make the decision wasn’t even there.

    • JELY79 4 years ago

      we wont miss alberto ,,,he can go take up space in florida

  15. Eric Champion 4 years ago

    Albert wasnt even their lol terrible update how about you update that Mo has talked to Albert personally throughout the whole process. Albert is not leaving STL unless Florida breaks the record setting contract by Aroid. But say he does leave STL then everything he has ever said about his love for the city, his love for the sport and not business, money not meaning anything in the contract negotiations, all he wants to do is compete every year will, and everything else would have been a lie and it would spit on the Cardinals org and the fans. Let me tell you no matter how much money you spend in the NL East no one is beating the Phills so if he leaves i hope he enjoyed his 2 world championships cause he wont see it again for the rest of his career in Florida. 

  16. NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

    I don’t care how much the Marlins throw at Pujols it still seems obvious that he’s going back to St. Louis. He’ll do the same thing Joe Mauer did. Mauer wasn’t a free agent but he knew that the Yankees were about to go balls to the wall to get him but he signed a loyalty-based extension anyway for less money. Pujols will be a Cardinal for life.

  17. nats2012 4 years ago

    So if the Marlins are serious about Albert and they dont get him I wonder if they will sign Fielder instead. Because you figure the Albert money is more than Fielder money.

  18. Can you imagine the order?
    1. Jose Reyes
    2. Hanley Ramirez
    3. Albert Pujols
    4. Mike Stanton

    It would have to be the best first four in baseball. Or am I forgetting someone?

    • Them or the Red Sox

      Ellsbury
      Pedroia
      Gonzalez
      Ortiz

      Not necessarily in that order, they have Youkilis too who is very good.

  19. If they do this, they could then package Sanchez for Gio Gonzalez (or another pitcher), stay right around $100 mil.

    • Tko11 4 years ago

      Really? they would still be around $100 million with reyes and pujols?

      • COT had us at around $50 before any signings. Add $9 for Bell, 17 for Reyes and 22 for Pujols.  They would be a little over after they finished signing guys. 

  20. LUWahooNatFan 4 years ago

    A 9 year deal.. seriously?

    • Jason Sebol 4 years ago

      I hope Albert takes it. This past season proves that it isn’t one player that wins you a championship, its a team effort. I don’t want the Cardinals to be handicapped for the next decade with a 9 year contract going to an aging player. We’ve seen the best years of Pujols (possibly), and every one of his offensive numbers have declined over the past 4 years. This isn’t steroid era baseball anymore, so the natural decline is going to kick in at some point. 

      I like Pujols, and I appreciate what he’s done for St. Louis. But he wanted to test free agency, and continued to say “its not about the money.” Well, this news says to me, it is about the money.

      • Tko11 4 years ago

        Or maybe its about the years and job security…I’m sure its not only baseball players who like to have the assurance that they will have a job for the next 9 years. If the Marlins get him they are pretty much guaranteed to have great attendance for the next few years. I mean the Reyes signing already boosted their attendance greatly. The crazy part is is that the Marlins would have signed arguably the best SS and the best 1b in the MLB.

        • Jason Sebol 4 years ago

          The Marlins have won two WS since ’97. If the fanbase was going to be there, it would be there already.

          I appreciate the effort the owners are putting in towards signing big free agents this offseason. But, are the fans going to be there in 2013, ’14, and beyond? Especially in 5 or 6 years when Pujols and Reyes’ decline has started?

          • Tko11 4 years ago

            Well if they get Pujols as well and all goes well they should win another championship or two so that should help. The new stadium is also a big boost, their old one was horrific. They will also get all those bandwagon fans like the Miami Heat did when they signed the big three.

          • NomarGarciaparra 4 years ago

            Getting Pujols + whoever doesn’t guarantee rings.

          • Tko11 4 years ago

            Never knew that “they should” means they will. What is guaranteed though is a boost in attendance. 

          • NomarGarciaparra 4 years ago

            Even “should” is the wrong word to use.

          • Tko11 4 years ago

            With Pujols and Reyes you dont think they should win a ring or two? 

          • Tko11 4 years ago

            With Pujols and Reyes you dont think they should win a ring or two? 

  21. Joey E 4 years ago

    10 years?! 10 years?!

    take it Albert.

  22. CyYoungSuppan 4 years ago

    So it is obviously clear the running joke of the Marlins being interested in everyone was quite serious.  10 years is ridiculous.  Holy dang.

  23. HolaAmigas 4 years ago

    I hope he stays with the Cards. He’s great for their organization.

  24. $4555515 4 years ago

    hahahaha who woulda thought before the offseason began it would be the marlins offering pujols a A-rod lvl contract?

  25. 10 Years at what 20m a year? if it’s 22-23 freaking take it. (IMO it’s too much though)

    • PattySajak 4 years ago

      closer to 21 – 22.5 mill per season probobly.

      • jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

        Cards offered him 22 per year over 9.  If 22.5 is all Miami offered, the Cards may increase their offer and keep him.

        If its more than 23, Cards let him go, and Miami does well for three or four seasons before being hamstrung for the next seven.

        Wouldn’t be the first time they won a WS, only to suck for the next five to ten years.

  26. Zuidvogels 4 years ago

    Everyone should have seen this coming when the new uniforms were introduced. The problem is everyone thought the “M” on the new hat meant Miami, when in fact it it stands for “Money” :)

    I’m guessing it’s 10 yrs/ 250M offer.

  27. Khabibulan 4 years ago

    I think the Marlins are better off spending money on pitching. Currently, they have Josh Johnson coming off of a major shoulder injury (not good), Nolasco (bleh), Anibal (good season last year, but need to see another), and Volstad (blah). I think it would behoove them to go after CJ Wilson, and shoot for Buerhle. Wilson, Anibal, Buerhle, JJ, Nolasco…that’s an intriguing rotation, and is pretty damn good if Johnson can stay healthy and be effective. Unless I’m missing some up and coming prospect, the rotation as of now is not interesting.

  28. jsmoltz29 4 years ago

    Ok I have 2 thoughts on Pujols to Miami for 10 years…short term – the Marlins give the Braves such fits as it is so I would hate to know that we had to deal with him 18 games per year so I really don’t want this to happen…long term – considering the fact that at the end of this contract his actual age could be in the neighborhood of 42-45 I’m actually kind of hoping this does happen and he becomes a huge albatross for them…

  29. The Marlins just stuck their middle fin up to the people constantly joking about their offers not being legitimate (if signing Reyes and Bell didn’t already do that).

  30. Assuming the Marlins can trade for a pitcher (big assumption, I know)… Am I the only Marlins fan that doesn’t really care what happens at the end of these contracts?  The team will be in GREAT shape for the next few years and will put itself in position for a potential WS run.  Winning one World Series is worth the back ends of those contracts. Ask Cubs fans. I know these signings don’t guarentee anything, but it will be nice to make a run.

  31. PattySajak 4 years ago

    Pujols is done with the Cards, sorry st. louis it isn’t happening. If I knew any cards fan in person i’d bet them a case a beer a month during the basebal season that i’m right thats how confident I am.  

    • jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

      Depends on the offer.  Cards offered 9/198 prior to the season.  If they up to 9/210, he’s not leaving for less than 10/230, and even that might not be enough. If Miami is stupid enough to guarantee him $23 mil a year when he’s in his 40’s, well…

      I suppose that is a gamble that the Cardinals made last offseason.  You always think you’ll be able to keep your superstars who have roots in the city.  You can never bet that there won’t be an owner with more money than intelligence.

  32. He’s just taking his talents to South Beach.

  33. Daniel Duenez 4 years ago

    Wow, if this gets done, then I don’t remember the last time I was intimidated to see the Marlins on the schedule!

  34. slider32 4 years ago

    Albert to the Marlins -10/230 and Fielder signs with the Cubs- 8/185.

    • jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

      10/230 may or may not be enough.  If the Cardinals bump their deal from 9/198 to 9/210, they have a higher AAV.  Also, the Marlins never put in no-trade clauses, which will likely make Pujols nervous.  I doubt he wants to go to Miami for one season, win a WS, then be traded to the Orioles for a backup catcher and a PTBNL

      • slider32 4 years ago

        If I’m Pujols, I wouldn’t worry about a no trade clause. The only teams that would take over his contract would be contenders. Teams like the Orioles aren’t going to take on his contract. He becomes A-Rod. Also there is no state tax in Florida, so that increases the offer.

  35. The Marlins really offer him 10yr? 200mill? 20 mill a season for the next ten years? I overheard the Marlins might also be bringin in Jose Oquendo to provide experience on Guillen’s coaching staff.

    FML.

  36. jjs91 4 years ago

    Pujols had a 5.1 war last year and is declinning i’m not saying gaby sanchez is great but he put up a 3 war is young and cheap. This would just be a bad move. 

    • slider32 4 years ago

      Sign Pujols and trade Sanchez for Gio and Bailey. Know you are set to win in the playoffs.Sweeten the pot with Morrison if you have to.

      • N11petro 4 years ago

        Thats the perfect idea, maybe not morrison though… Can’t see Morrison in an Oakland uniform. Not Bailey, they just got bell and Leo Nunez will be  setup.

  37. GOTIGERS24 4 years ago

    where are the marlins getting all of this money they had the lowest attendance in baseball for the past like 5 years. I know they are moving but does that really open up an extra 70 million dollars in free agents

  38. disgustedcubfan 4 years ago

    I don’t think the Marlins have the cash. All of this may just be to get the Cardinals to bid against themselves.
    I doubt the Cubs or Florida really have a legit desire for Albert for the numbers being thrown around. 10 years would be a disaster for whoever hands it out.

    • jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

      I think Miami is serious.  Loria would love to sign Pujols to a ten year deal at $23 million a year.  He’d only pay the first three anyhow, before trading Pujols elsewhere.

      • slider32 4 years ago

        I don’t think so, but even so Pujols becomes A-Rod and will only be traded to a big market team, who is a contender. Who would that team be? There are only a handful of teams that would take his contract. Nothing to worry about.

  39. mistermonkey 4 years ago

    Jeff Loria was clearly underspending until his new downtown stadium got built. He’s also the ahole who killed the Expos, so eff him.

    • jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

      And we all wondered why the SEC started investigating the claims that he didn’t have any money to finance that new stadium.

  40. Phillies need to step up their game and trade Ryan Howard to St. Louis for a bag of balls while St. Louis takes on his entire contract. ON the flip side Phillies have room to sign Pujols to play in Philly for years to come. Howard is from St. Louis so it would work out perfectly for both teams. Come on Rube! Get it done! Go Phils! Why let the Marlins destroy their franchise for years to come?

    • Its ashame he had to tear his achilles tendon on the last play of the season or else something like this could be very realistic.

  41. wait_HOWmanyrings 4 years ago

    Holy balls

  42. N11petro 4 years ago

    Your right, the marlins payroll has increased and will stay that way. Its simple right now, wait for Pujols whatever happens. If they do get him trade Gabby Sanchez for Gio Gonzalez. They will be able to afford Pujols bcz he pays for himself. attendance at marlins games is gonna go WAY frikn’ up already.

  43. stl_cards16 4 years ago

    “but you have to wonder if signing him hurts the team’s ability to compete”

    If they get him for ~$23MM/yr that’s not a problem.  That’s only a $7MM raise from what he has been making and some of it will be deferred.  That can easily be worked in and I’m sure the payroll will increase over the next 8 years.

  44. jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

    I’m not really skeptical of him resigning.  Last year’s Cardinals offer (9/$200ish) looked insulting.  Pujols thought he could get A-Rod type money.  While that may be unreasonable, 9/$225 was certainly not out of the question.

    Turns out, the money isn’t out there for him.  Right now, its a matter of saving face.  The Cardinals have no reason to increase their offer until they know what else is out there, and Pujols has no reason to sign their original offer until he knows if someone else will jump in.

    Give it a week or two, if no one else makes a real offer, the Cardinals make a nominal increase and he signs.

  45. fishfan4life 4 years ago

    He’ll take the highest offer. End of story.

  46. Pujols’ mother lives in Miami. He has stated that he would like to be closer to her. Does this matter? Don’t know. But it could influence him to the Marlins. 

  47. hahha, thanks for the insightful comment.

  48. johnsmith4 4 years ago

    “you play in the AL East, and you’re located in Canada” is a little bewildering.  I hope you are not suggesting Albert Pujols is a simpleton who is too chicken to play the Yankees and Red Sox.  It will be difficult for me to agree with you if this is the case.

  49. jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

    More money per year for less years would make a great deal of sense for the Cards, but not for Pujols.  It makes no sense at all for the Cubs.

    I think Toronto CAN get Pujols.  He’s not turning down 10/$300, regardless of team.  That being said, Toronto has a good front office, and aren’t going to spend money stupidly.  They aren’t going to overpay Pujols, and overpaying is what it will take.

    Quite frankly, at his age, 9/$200 may be an overpay, but justified for the Cardinals.  It’ll work out well for the first few years of the contract, but be a terrible deal near the end.

  50. Toronto has many millions free for when the time is right, Pujols doesn’t make sense for Toronto, the agents of these players are well aware of the money the Jays have and leaking any information (true or false) is a tool to up the ante from other teams.  It simply won’t happen.

    On your last points, I believe the Jays led MLB in attendance in 1992-93, so putting a winning team on the field has already proved to work in the city, and Toronto, Canada is actually an amazing city, I don’t buy the Canada argument.  The Stadium I will give you, it blows, the AL East? should be incentive for a competitive person to compete with the best imo.

  51. joe smith 4 years ago

    Are you still mad about the Rasmus trade?

  52. blurnandez 4 years ago

    Hi The_BiRDS, I have a serious question for you…how old are you?

  53. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    No Im not dogin on the city.. I just look at Toronto as more of a Hockey town.. If in deed you had the most attendance in the 93 season (which I do not believe) it is only because you guys won back to back World Series. If the St. Louis Rams won back to back super bowls we would be selling out too.  

  54. I’m tired of people trashing on the Rogers Centre. As someone who lives in the Toronto area, I love going to the Dome to watch Blue Jay games. I take my kids there often and we have a great time, rain or shine because of the roof.

    When I was my son’s age, I remember those chilly April games on the unforgiving cold steel benches of the old Ex. Wearing Winter coats and hoping that I would have freezing rain fall on me. I wouldn’t wish that on any baseball fan (even Yankee fans) and when I took my oldest boy to see his first game at the Rogers Centre, it was the only game in the AL East that wasn’t rained out that day.

    Whenever I see those new stadiums in New York or Detroit get rained out, I always think how fortunate I am to have a roof over my head when I see the Blue Jays. So whenever someone suggests a new stadium, I usually gun that idea down rather quickly. Unless it has a roof… take off hoser!

  55. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    No I am being realistic. Why would he leave a huge baseball city, who won 2 World Series in 5 years and have a 9 year offer on the table for a hockey town with a crappy stadium? Makes no sense for him to go. Plus he would be forced to play with Rasmus again?!? No way. 

  56. It definitely is a Hockey town (or I should say a Leafs town, attendance is low at other hockey venues in the city).  1993, the Jays set an MLB attendance record with these numbers 
    Toronto Blue Jays
    1993 Season Total:
    4,057,947
    Per Game Avg. 50,098

    and also 1991 – Toronto Blue Jays became the first team in baseball history to draw 4 million mark in attendance in 1991 season.

    Here is a link to MLB Attendance Records:
    link to en.wikipedia.org

  57. this was unprecedented numbers. 50 thousand daily. look it up

  58. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    No that worked out beautifully.. thanks again. I liked hearing that the Jays are now trying to send him packing too.  

  59. johnsmith4 4 years ago

    I think he is bitter about Cards not getting Seth Smith.

  60. johnsmith4 4 years ago

    St. Louis is a small market team.  It will be hard for them to give him the money he commands and maintain a competitive team.

  61. jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

    As much as the Cardinals are getting draft pick compensation for being a “small market team”, let’s get real here.  St. Louis is a small market, but it is also a baseball town.  St. Louis is a small market.  The Cardinals are not, and never have been, a small market team.  Small market teams don’t drawn 3 million + every single year.

  62. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    They have a 100MM payroll and are the 13th highest payroll. Wouldnt call that small 

  63. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    “Highest season home totals, by team” that is by team my friend. Its has the 4.8 million D-Back fans in 98. Also, Wikipedia is not the best source.

  64. grownice 4 years ago

     Royals interested in Rasmus = Jays trying to package Rasmus… Your intelligence is intimidating to say the least.

  65. johnsmith4 4 years ago

    $23m/yr is good value for Pujols in my opinion.  But, the eight year term will be too risky for many teams.  Cardinals have a strong offer on the table which will be hard to beat.  Especially without Yankees in the Pujols’ market.

  66. 12in12 4 years ago

    I agree totally. Most people don’t think about it that way. The Cardinal’s current payroll worked with Pujols at $16mil, so it would work with Pujols at $23mill for sure and potentially more than that.

    It costs the Cardinals MUCH less money to resign Pujols than other teams to sign him. The Cubs, Marlins, Jays, (Insert team here) all have to add upwards of 23mil to their payroll and possibly move some other pieces to fit it in. The Cardinals have to only add $7mil+, and Mo has a back up plan allowing Craig a shot if Pujols falls through.

    Add in the facts that the Cardinals don’t want to take a possible merchandise sales and ticket hit in the short term (if it turns ugly) or lose out on the publicity that all the potential career milestones/records Pujols approaches/breaks and that Pujols has strong roots in the community (foundation, restaurants, etcs.), publicly states that he wants only to play for a winning team, close friends in the Cardinal clubhouse (Molina, Oquendo, etc.), plus he is the king of the city.

    Yes, he could work to get all of these in other cities, but why when you already have these in STL?

    All of these facts point to one obvious outcome, Albert Pujols will be a Cardinal in 2012 and beyond. The Cardinals just have ZERO reason to up their offer until there is at least another potentially competitive offer. At that point, the Cardinals will have plenty of room to up their offer as needed. 

  67. 12in12 4 years ago

    I agree totally. Most people don’t think about it that way. The Cardinal’s current payroll worked with Pujols at $16mil, so it would work with Pujols at $23mill for sure and potentially more than that.

    It costs the Cardinals MUCH less money to resign Pujols than other teams to sign him. The Cubs, Marlins, Jays, (Insert team here) all have to add upwards of 23mil to their payroll and possibly move some other pieces to fit it in. The Cardinals have to only add $7mil+, and Mo has a back up plan allowing Craig a shot if Pujols falls through.

    Add in the facts that the Cardinals don’t want to take a possible merchandise sales and ticket hit in the short term (if it turns ugly) or lose out on the publicity that all the potential career milestones/records Pujols approaches/breaks and that Pujols has strong roots in the community (foundation, restaurants, etcs.), publicly states that he wants only to play for a winning team, close friends in the Cardinal clubhouse (Molina, Oquendo, etc.), plus he is the king of the city.

    Yes, he could work to get all of these in other cities, but why when you already have these in STL?

    All of these facts point to one obvious outcome, Albert Pujols will be a Cardinal in 2012 and beyond. The Cardinals just have ZERO reason to up their offer until there is at least another potentially competitive offer. At that point, the Cardinals will have plenty of room to up their offer as needed. 

  68. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    The Cardinals “packaged” Rasmus too and won the World Series primarily through the bullpen. “Packaging” in another word for “shipping”. Jays fans had a little too much fun when that trade went down and still the Cardinals got the better deal.

  69. BooJays33 4 years ago

    he said they set an attendance record…which at the time it was.   jeeeez birds stop acting like st. louis frickin missouri is where all the celebs hangout.  toronto is a strong sports market who will come out in spades if you put a winning product on the field.  its not just hockey here.   the al east comment is outlandish…i would think its a selling feature. 

  70. Really? Do you know how wikipedia works?

    Go look at the footnotes bro.

  71. BooJays33 4 years ago

    btw its gotta be said…put the cards in the AL East and you guys dont sniff the playoffs last year and several other years in the past decade.    which might seem like hate speech but we all know its true.

  72. vtadave 4 years ago

    David Freese and Chris Carpenter called. They’d like some credit too.

  73. grownice 4 years ago

     What does that have to do with anything i said? They did not win primarily through the bullpen , they won primarily because of the Atlanta Braves, Carpenter , and their offense.

  74. imachainsaw 4 years ago

    to be fair, that can apply for every team that’s made the playoffs in the past few years, other than maybe the phillies.

  75. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    The Cards in the AL East would have been .5 game out of the Wild Card this past year.. They also would have WON the AL EAST in 04 and 05.. Every other year in the past, oh say 7 years they were with in a few games on the AL East leader. I dont believe the Jays havnt even seen a playoff game since 93. So BooJay you dont know what your talking about homie.

  76. stl_cards16 4 years ago

    yea, you guys would have a huge advantage with the Cardinals batting their pitcher.

  77. If the Yanks and Red Sox are the cream of the crop, then where were they in the World Series this year? Or last year? The fact is that a large market team doesn’t always win it all.

  78. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    All the celebs huh? haha.. this conversation is about Albert wanting to stay in St Louis because its more of a baseball town than Toronto.. and Toronta is a hockey.. thats a fact

  79. stl_cards16 4 years ago

    I don’t want to defend the_birds, he and I disagree quite a bit.

    But, when everytime a Cardinal fan says anything to a Jays fan they come back with “are you still mad about the Rasmus trade” it’s a little old.  The Cardinals obviously came out great from that deal with no regrets.  Maybe Rasmus turns out to be good and it works out for the Jays, but flags fly forever.

  80. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    If you cant handle a baseball debate then go cry somewhere else.. you guys get so defensive over nothing.. get over it. There is no crying in baseball.

  81. It’s a baseball town when the Cardinals are winning.

  82. WestCoastJaysFan 4 years ago

    Unlike St. Louis, the Jays have an entire country behind them, not just the city of Toronto.

    Regardless, he isn’t coming to Toronto.  He doesn’t fit and I’d be surprised if AA gave it any serious thought.

  83. grownice 4 years ago

     In what way is 27 years of age old?

  84. jedicouncil 4 years ago

    think again, you would be playing most of your games against the yanks, sox rays and jays, they wouldnt break .500

  85. stl_cards16 4 years ago

    Do You know how wikipedia works?

    It’s definitely not the best source for anything.

  86. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    Seriously? I hope you didnt use Wiki as a source in school

  87. BooJays33 4 years ago

    my sentiments exactly jedi its a different game when your playing the cream of the crop every night.  alot of weak opponents in the nl and nl central specifically to rack up wins against.   thats like a gonzaga fan saying they’d still be a 30 win team in the acc.    

  88. stl_cards16 4 years ago

    “yanks, sox rays and jays”

    One of these things is not like the others……

  89. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    So are you saying that if you put the Jays in the NL Central you guys would be a Dynasty?

  90. ea19 4 years ago

    These divisions have been around for 17-18 years….it’s about time that you quit crying you frickin babies. I wasn’t hearing as much complaining when the rays, jays, and orioles were the bottom feeders of the AL!!!! 

  91. stl_cards16 4 years ago

    baha  The ACC?  What is this 1999?

  92. stl_cards16 4 years ago

    Wrong.  St. Louis is all baseball all the time.  Even when the Rams were going to Super Bowls the Cardinals still owned St. Louis.

  93. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    I agree with you there..

    I have never seen a city so soft and defensive.

  94. Thank you for the intelligent comment. (absolutely no sarcasm). These boards use to have a greater proportion of people like you.

  95. stl_cards16 4 years ago

    You know what they say….Excuses are like a**holes.  Everyone has one, and they all stink.

    By the way, I don’t like getting along with you.  Say something stupid so we can argue. lol

  96. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    You guys act like these divsions have been around forever.. Cardinals would be fine in the AL East.. They would do a he11 of a lot better than the Jays I can promise you that

  97. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    Jays have a smaller division so they have a 1 and 5 chance of winning whereas the Cardinals have the largest divsion and have a 1 and 6 chance of winning.

    Thats as fair as saying..
    “come to where the big boys play and see how the cardsa are”??

  98. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    Oh you like it.. haha

  99. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    Just because the Braves choked at the end of the year doesnt mean they had any part in the Cardinal World Series victory.. Cardinals could have won a few more games during the season or the Braves could have lost a few more.. Just because it was a close on doesnt mean the Braves played a part.. Thats like saying Texas was in the World series last year because the Rays slid in last minute and were easier to beat.

  100. Philip Marlowe 4 years ago

    That’s only because the Rams were a recent transplant from Los Angeles and most St. Louis natives didn’t grow up as Rams fans. Ten or fifteen years from now, when you have two full generations of Rams fans in STL and a Cards team that is STILL hamstrung by the deferred money they will owe Pujols and Holliday (yes I think Pujols will re-up with St. Louis), I think STL will be far more of a football town than it is now.

  101. Philip Marlowe 4 years ago

    Wikipedia has been proven by scholarly evidence to be equally or more reliable in both quality and quantity of information on almost any given subject than Encyclopedia Britannica. Anyone who refutes that is just trying to discount the evidence against their case.

  102. Philip Marlowe 4 years ago

    Birds, this isn’t a baseball debate. Debates consist of logical arguments, critical thinking, and cordial professionalism. You exhibit none of those traits.

  103. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    Your wrong.. St Louis is and always has been a baseball city.. Come down and check it out, turn on ESPN, read STLtoday.. its all there

  104. Philip Marlowe 4 years ago

    Sorry – meant to reply to Birds. I appreciated your comment on the Rasmus trade – flags do fly forever.

  105. Encarnacion's Parrot 4 years ago

    Then kids found out that they have internets on computers now.

  106. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    Jerry Sandusky?

  107. triple_play_baseball 4 years ago

    This was too funny. Well done

  108. vtadave 4 years ago

    Heh nice. Something I wish I had typed.

  109. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

     wow.

    in all my years of mlbtr posting, this has to be top 5.

  110. jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

    Right now, that leaves him in St. Louis, as they are the highest offer.

    Seriously, though, I think he’d give the Cardinals a discount, up to a certain point. 

    It has been rumored in the past that he’ll need “alot of money” to leave St. Louis and that he felt that $50 million was “not alot of money”.  I doubt that’s completely true, but I’d bet that another team would have to offer at least $1 or 2 million more a year to take him from the Cardinals while matching years.  I’d bet $27 million a year on a 5 or 6 year deal (if the Cards don’t up their offer) is the absolute minimum on a shorter deal like the Cubs are reportedly considering.  Even then, I don’t think he takes a shorter deal.

  111. vtadave 4 years ago

    So in this scenario he’d take Florida?:

    Cardinals offer – 9/225
    Florida offer – 9/240

  112. jedicouncil 4 years ago

    if the jays and cards switched divisions the jays would be on top of that division where the cards would be 4th, as mr flair would say…woooooooh!!!!

  113. wait_HOWmanyrings 4 years ago

    I believe they did take part in the cards victory, because if they had played .500 baseball in september, the cards would not have made the playoffs, and it’s pretty hard to win the world series if you don’t make the playoffs

  114. stl_cards16 4 years ago

    You can make all the ifs, ands, buts you want.

    #11 in 11

    Thank you!

  115. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    You can make a million arguements about the year.. had the Cardinals not blown that one save or had the Braves not come back that one game etc… its all irrelevant

  116. SmallBox

  117. vtadave 4 years ago

    Or he could buy a house in Florida in the offseason and one for his mom in STL. Oh and then throw down on some airline tickets.

    I don’t think it makes much of a difference.

  118. jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

    Pujols’s child, who has special needs, is going to one of the best schools in the nation for people with her condition.  Mom is one thing.  Child is another.  I doubt he uproots his daughter unless something major occurs.

  119. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    just the way i like em!

  120. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    he could just buy an airline 

  121. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

     he’s younger and better than their current 1B

  122. jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

    110%

  123. I’m not positive about this, but I think Pujols’ 10 and 5 rights remain even if he signs with another team.  I don’t have access to their accounting records or anything, but it would seem to me the Marlins are betting rather frivolously on their new stadium.

  124. sharenski 4 years ago

    We like to have fun here

  125. Tko11 4 years ago

    Mathis is really the icing on the cake there!

  126. WestCoastJaysFan 4 years ago

    I thought good schools in the States was a myth.

  127. WestCoastJaysFan 4 years ago

    Quality over quantity.  4 of your 6 teams finished with a sub .500 record.

  128. nictonjr 4 years ago

     That would be a $15-27 mil increase of theCards rumored offer.  Most had it a 9/198…

  129. The site made it a point that the Marlins offer does not include a no-trade clause, so I guess I am wrong about the player keeping his 10/5 rights if he signs with a different team. 

    Sounds like the same old Marlins; buy a world series, auction off players in offseason.

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