Cardinals Open To Trading Lohse, Westbrook

6:40pm: Mozeliak confirmed that both Lohse and Westbrook are in play in trade talks, but he doesn't anticipate a deal happening, tweets Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

5:10pm: Lohse wrote in a text message to Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that "as of right now" he'd take advantage of his full no-trade clause to reject any trade opportunity.

3:49pm: The Cardinals are willing to trade Jake Westbrook as well, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.

3:34pm: The Cardinals are trying to trade righty Kyle Lohse, reports Phil Rogers of the Chicago Tribune.  Rogers believes their goal is to make room for Missouri native Mark Buehrle.  ESPN's Buster Olney also hears that the Cardinals are making Lohse's availability known.    

Lohse, 33, is owed $11.875MM in 2012 and has a full no-trade clause.  As of Monday night, nothing had been brought to Lohse's attention, according to MLB.com's Matthew Leach.  The righty posted a 3.39 ERA in 188 1/3 innings this year.

Leach notes that Cardinals GM John Mozeliak said he's not prioritizing starting pitching, and if he needed rotation help it'd likely come from within.


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143 Comments on "Cardinals Open To Trading Lohse, Westbrook"


3 years 8 months ago

Please trade a rather team friendly contract (given Lohse’s performance) and break the bank for Albert, who will be declining half way into the contract.

stl_cards16
3 years 8 months ago

“team friendly contract”

are we talking about the same Kyle Lohse?
It doesn’t look near as bad as it did last year but if the Cardinals could move most of the salary in order to sign Buerhle=huge win.

walrusgod
3 years 8 months ago

Lohse’s regular season performance was a little bit of a bounce-back, but his playoff performance was the same old Lohse that has been killing us for a couple years now.  I’d be ecstatic to not have to worry about whether “bad Lohse” or “awful Lohse” was going to show up every fifth day to pitch, even if we don’t use the money to get Buehrle.  Using the money to get Buehrle would just be icing on the cake.

Andy_B
3 years 8 months ago

Lol 12 million for Kyle Lohse is not team friendly.  He had a good year last year, but he’s still kyle Lohse.  I honestly don’t care what we get for Lohse, and don’t care if we sign Buehrle (although I would love it if we did)  I really just want Lohse gone.  I would much rather given Lynn of Zep a chance to start.

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

YESSSSSSSSSSS! I KNEW IT!

Vossome93
3 years 8 months ago

Buehrle.

3 years 8 months ago

Stltoday’s Derek Goold reported this tweet, but Lohse will have to want to leave.  To this day, he has not had any interest in waiving the clause.  Believe me, I wish it could happen, but chances seem slim.

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

Not if they trade him to a contender.. then he may waive it

3 years 8 months ago

He’s already on a contender.  Why would he move his family to be on a different contender?

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

Because STL wants Buehrle.

3 years 8 months ago

Lol I think Kyle looks after his best interests first.

jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

Makes sense.  Buehrle is rumored to be willing to give the Cards a hometown discount.

Probably won’t get much in return for him, unless you eat money (not likely), but his contract is around market, so someone may take him for a low level prospect.

Of course, why would Lohse be willing to waive his NTC?  Does he have a better chance of winning elsewhere?  Would changing teams improve his chances of getting a good contract after next year?

sid1234556
3 years 8 months ago

you gotta think the red sox are in on this

Plante
3 years 8 months ago

I almost LoLed out of my office chair.

Plante
3 years 8 months ago

I almost LoLed out of my office chair.

Plante
3 years 8 months ago

I almost LoLed out of my office chair.

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

You almost LoLed out of your chair 3 times?

johnsilver
3 years 8 months ago

Seriously doubt that. lohse is a mediocre at best NL pitcher who would for almost certain be a mop up reliever in the AL, much less AL East.

Wandy Rodriquez, even with his more $$$ looks better over Lohse and most think Houston will still end up paying part of his salary and taking little in return for him.

3 years 8 months ago

whyyyyyyyyy

Unless he is as pissed off about the way he was used the last 6 weeks like people are claiming but come on

Going to have to eat at least a portion of his salary and pay the same amount for more years to Buehrle.    WTF MO???

3 years 8 months ago

How did Lohse get handed a full no-trade clause?

3 years 8 months ago

the better question is how he got 44 million dollars

walrusgod
3 years 8 months ago

Although I’ve generally liked the way Mozeliak has handled the front office duties, he does seem to overpay some players.  The Lohse contract is probably one of the most egregious errors (it was also done fairly early in his tenure after taking over for Jocketty, but I’m not sure how much he’s learned since then), although the “bidding against himself” strategy with Matt Holliday didn’t look that good, either (although I still really like the signing of Holliday).

jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

He was hurt for two of the three years of the contract, and neither his performance this past year, nor the year immediately preceding the contract (2008) indicate that this was anything other than a market deal.

walrusgod
3 years 8 months ago

The problems for me was that 2008 was a career year for Lohse.  He had never been able to put it together for a full year prior to then, and the deal seemed a little high (especially considering the NTC) for a player coming off a career year.  I know the injuries had a lot to do with his ineffectiveness, but we tried to pay him #2/#3 starter money when he’s more of a bottom of the rotation kind of guy.  Last year he started to bounce back, but in the 2nd half he started to look more like the Lohse of 2009/2010 again.  

Also, as a fan, I have a tendency to develop a distrust in a player and it’s very hard for me to give them my trust back.  I know it means nothing to them, but it does cloud my opinions when talking about that player and their performance/the potential for trading them.  I just don’t trust Lohse going forward, and if we could move him for a low-level prospect and not have to pay off too much of his deal, I’m all for it.

3 years 8 months ago

Drinks were on Lohse. I’m guessing MO took advantage.

Ryan
3 years 8 months ago

I wish it was Westbrook but I want mark to join our team for sure

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

ask and you shall receive

Ryan
3 years 8 months ago

I wish it was Westbrook but I want mark to join our team for sure

walrusgod
3 years 8 months ago

I’ve been wanting to hear this news for a year and a half now.  I’ve always had a great appreciation of Buehrle.  Lohse, on the other hand, I’ve never really trusted, and he’s been erratic at best since his injury a couple years ago.

Plus, this move would lessen the sting a little bit if the Miami Marlins pry Pujols away from us with their “make it rain” money strategy.  

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

I like how the last Buehrle headline said “Buehrle has narrowed it down to 5 teams”… and only 4 teams were mentioned. Mystery team = Cardinals

cardsdrummer
3 years 8 months ago

Lohse being traded = poor return and probably eating some salary.

Is this acceptable to land Mark Buehrle? Yes I think it is.

nictonjr
3 years 8 months ago

Lohse has been horrible to average everywhere besides StL.  Why would he waive his no-trade to pitch somewhere else in his contract year???

cardsdrummer
3 years 8 months ago

It would probably depend on the destination. A decent team in a pitcher friendly park may still appeal to him.

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

Miami.

EDIT** Miami for Hanley since he wants out now

thekoshow
3 years 8 months ago

Yes, Kyle Lohse for Hanley Ramirez. How could the Marlins possible decline that trade?

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

not just Lohse.. you guys can have a copy of the 2011 World Series Relived DVD as well

Redbirds16
3 years 8 months ago

How?

sam_lammert
3 years 8 months ago

screw it, package him and westbrook for a crap prospect and sign buerhle and jackson

Ferrariman
3 years 8 months ago

i think the goal here is to save salary and use a cheaper internal option like Lynn in the rotation, not replace salary with even more salary by getting Buerhle.

jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

Depends on whether or not you need the money to pay Pujols.  Once Pujols is paid, spend it on Buehrle and improve the rotation.

Theoretically, Buehrle gives the Cardinals a home-town discount.  If not, then use Lynn/McClellan/Whatever until Miller is ready.

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

Wainwright
Carpenter
Buehrle
Garcia
Westbrook/Miller (after we trade westbrook at the break)

Hope this happens, that rotation would be nasty

3 years 8 months ago

GO GO GO!

3 years 8 months ago

Wish it was Westbrook…

Ferrariman
3 years 8 months ago

well there ya go!

3 years 8 months ago

Whoa! It’s a dream come true.

Ferrariman
3 years 8 months ago

am i the only cardinal fan/STL native who doesn’t want Buerhle on the team right now?  We have more important needs…

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

Yes. You are.

Ferrariman
3 years 8 months ago

well, glad i got that clarified.  I’d rather have a mlb caliber middle infield and still have a strong rotation of Wainwright/Carp/Garcia/Lohse or Westb/Lynn than have buerhle replace lynn and most likely offer non substantial upgrade.

3 years 8 months ago

what did we just win the world series with, schumaker punto in furcal. not top of the line middle infield

Ferrariman
3 years 8 months ago

we didn’t win because of the middle infield, we won in spite of the middle infield.  Get it right 

John DiRienzo
3 years 8 months ago

you also just won the WS without Adam Wainwright, who will return next year.

your argument fails.

3 years 8 months ago

They had to significantly upgrade the middle infield at the deadline because it was one of the many things that was killing the club, offensively and defensively. 

After the Riot’s average stopped hovering around .300 he was of absolutely no use (though he did prove to be a big pinch hitter down the stretch, saving the season on multiple occasions)

Skippy didn’t get right with the bat until the second half and everyone knows what his defense is like.

Furcal hit into some bad luck in the playoffs after the first round and little offense if any came from 2B after game 5 in philly

Defense did its job but offensively the Cards won because of Freeser, Torty, Berkman, Yadi, and Albert

3 years 8 months ago

Definitely not the only one

How about we get a flippin short stop or center fielder before we start throwing more cash at a position we have an influx at

Ferrariman
3 years 8 months ago

voice of reason! hurray

3 years 8 months ago

Who do you suggest we get? Rollins? Dude’s 34. Five years is nuts.

Ferrariman
3 years 8 months ago

yeah, i never once said i wanted rollins…

the free agent market has very little to offer, maybe Kelly Johnson but i’d explore trades first.  It honestly all depends on Pujols first though

3 years 8 months ago

Yeah I never said that you did want Rollins.

I figured it was who you were thinking because the market is barren. Any potential trade candidates at short you know of?

Ferrariman
3 years 8 months ago

Chad Pennington would be decent.  He had a down season but his splits are good, plays strong D, runs a bit.  A’s have Grant Green coming up and we all know Beane likes to deal.  Not a sexy choice, but an effective choice.  

3 years 8 months ago

agreed.  Especially with the short stop FA market.  For the Cards its Furcal or no one, and if he still truly believes a 3 year deal is out there he is not a Cardinal come April

3 years 8 months ago

Rollins isn’t going anywhere.  The best upgrade they can make (not through trade) is Furcal and Danny D up the middle and spread the rest of the left over cash around to center and potentially right

3 years 8 months ago

Jon Jay is insulted.

3 years 8 months ago

I am a big JJ supporter but we need a right handed platoon partner to play with him.  Sugar Shane Robinson ain’t enough

3 years 8 months ago

I agree, we need a right handed CF. No one stands out to me though. Maybe Ludwick?

3 years 8 months ago

I doubt they go down that road again .  And I don’t think anyone sees him as an option in center

Its going to be interesting

Redbirds16
3 years 8 months ago

How many games do you expect this platoon partner to play? Craig could suffice if it’s a game per week or so…

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

How about they trade Westbrook or Lohse for a SS?

Westbrook for Ian Desmond?

Redbirds16
3 years 8 months ago

Nats pass on that one. Would have to throw in a prospect along with westbrook. Maybe Sanchez or Salas would get it done.

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah but it would free up a spot in the rotation for Big Bad Buehrle

Eric Champion
3 years 8 months ago

Yes you are i think lol We want the home town guy with the discount. He said he has all the money he needs and was willing to retire if he didnt get a deal with someone he wanted to play for during this passed season. And not to mention he is a lefty who was good in the AL he will dominate in the NL

lefty177
3 years 8 months ago

He was good in the AL but i don’t know if i’d go so far to say he’d dominate in the NL, he’s a contact pitcher

3 years 8 months ago

who says he is going to give a discount now? He has multiple big market teams throwing cash his way.  No way he turns down 10+ million extra to sign with the cards

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

Who says? Mark Buehrle said. I bet he would.

jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

If he doesn’t, you start cheap talent and improve elsewhere.  What do you lose?

Ferrariman
3 years 8 months ago

the past few years have shown me to never listen to words from professional athletes.  I hope buerhle is sincere and will come here for cheap, but most likely, its not gonna happen..

Alistair Bortles
3 years 8 months ago

Hes an upgrade over Lohse and Westbrook, its not like we wont address those other concerns. Pujols and a SS

Ferrariman
3 years 8 months ago

actually thats exactly what it could mean, we might not be able to address those other concerns if their is no salary to work with.  I really don’t want to see a middle infield of Greene/Descalso next year. 

3 years 8 months ago

Lohse led the Cardinals in wins & lowest ERA last year…. just saying

3 years 8 months ago

on a team w/o Wainwright, terrible offensive support for Carpenter, bullpen disasters for everyone…

Lohse was excellent the first half but disappeared for most of the second.  I admit, without him we don’t even sniff the playoffs but at the same time it was obvious that by the end he was barely the cards 4th best pitcher

3 years 8 months ago

One of the best #4 SP’s in baseball…. Least of our concerns.

3 years 8 months ago

depending on which Lohse shows up on a given night.  His control pretty much has to be absolutely perfect for him to do anything

Redbirds16
3 years 8 months ago

Given the fact that he was coming off a couple seasons with arm trouble, it doesn’t surprise me that he struggled down the stretch. I’d expect 200 innings of 3.75-4.00 ERA ball this year. Nothing to scoff at for $12 million. 

3 years 8 months ago

depending on which Lohse shows up on a given night.  His control pretty much has to be absolutely perfect for him to do anything

jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

Which is why he has any trade value at all.  WIthout his performance last year, Cards are forced to eat his contract.  With it, you get a low level prospect who will never amount to anything, but you save the 11+ million in salary.

3 years 8 months ago

You never know they still might have to eat 4 to 5 million

3 years 8 months ago

yup!!!! you sure are buddy. Imagine to nasty lefty’s in the rotation behind two horses waino n carp. ahhhhhhhh as in the dousche bags words. it would be sickness

jhfdssdaf
3 years 8 months ago

I’d love to see a battery of Buehrle and Molina.  Runners might as well stand on first base until the batter makes contact.