King’s Latest: Yankees, Fielder, Rangers, McGehee

Here are some notes from George A. King III of The New York Post

  • “I am ready to rock and roll," said Yankees GM Brian Cashman while acknowledging that he still isn't optimistic about making a major pitching addition. "The Yankees are open for business."
  • An NL executive heard that the Rangers have interest in signing Prince Fielder and trading Mitch Moreland to the Rays for Wade Davis. A person with knowledge of Texas' plans say neither scenario is close to being done, however. The Rangers checked in with Scott Boras about Fielder during the winter meetings.
  • The Rangers also have interest in Casey McGehee of the Brewers to play first base, which would still allow them to make the Moreland-for-Davis swap. Matt Moore's new extension means the Rays won't have to send him down to the minors for service time reasons, giving them six starters (David Price, James Shields, Jeff Niemann, Jeremy Hellickson, Moore, and Davis) for five spots.


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217 Comments on "King’s Latest: Yankees, Fielder, Rangers, McGehee"


Rabbitov
3 years 7 months ago

If I was the Rangers I’d have interest in trading Moreland for David too.  The interest wouldn’t be mutual. 

OaklandFan22
3 years 7 months ago

deal moreland, martin and engel beltre to A’s for gio then you guys can go out and get fielder

Yo Tega
3 years 7 months ago

Sounds like a pipe dream…

Madman2TX
3 years 7 months ago

Bailey for Moreland…if we sign Fielder.

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

I wish. Doubt the A’s would take that little for one of their few trade chips though.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 7 months ago

I don’t think it will take that much more than Moreland. Moreland +  a mid level prospect. Moreland is a power hitting young and controlable player with about 4-5 years of control. Bailey is a very good relief pitcher headed into his 1st year of arbitration.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 7 months ago

I don’t think it will take that much more than Moreland. Moreland +  a mid level prospect. Moreland is a power hitting young and controlable player with about 4-5 years of control. Bailey is a very good relief pitcher headed into his 1st year of arbitration.

3 years 7 months ago

I think it’s funny the Rangers are going after Fielder….just because the Angels got Pujols. The last thing they need is more offense. What they *really* need is starting pitching.

The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

If the Rangers sign Fileder you can kiss Hamilton goodbye.

Yo Tega
3 years 7 months ago

Not exactly. It all depends on the contracts for both. Hamilton’s value should be in the 5 year 16-17 mil per year simply because of his age and injury history. If the Rangers sign Fielder at 6/120 I don’t see that playing a major negative factor in signing Hamilton or the rest of the core. It will have an impact mind you, just not as significant as some would believe. Of course this all depends on the Fielder contract being 6/120…

Shawn
3 years 7 months ago

If fielder was going for 6/120 he’d be re-signed with the Brewers already, he’s looking for 25 per season.

Yo Tega
3 years 7 months ago

Maybe maybe not. All Boras’ clients test the market. Fielder wasn’t too happy in Milwakee either. 6/160 isn’t much worse, though it does hurt the chances of core signings more.

The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

If Boras gets Fielder a 6 year deal its going to be 6 years at 165

Yo Tega
3 years 7 months ago

Really? You’re going to quibble about an extra 5mil on the deal? If Anyone is in on Fielder at 6/160 an extra 5 won’t break the deal.

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

thats a 15 mil difference boss

Yo Tega
3 years 7 months ago

6/160 is 15mil less than 6/165? I’m not math wizard or anything, but I think that’s only 5 milllion difference “boss.”

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

lol you had 6/150 there at first dingbat.  way to edit your post

The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

True Story.

Yankees420
3 years 7 months ago

Dingbat….Classic.

Yo Tega
3 years 7 months ago

Anyway you want to look at it 6/150 to 6/165 is only a 2.5 average per year salary increase…still quibbling when you get down to the numbers.

stl_cards16
3 years 7 months ago

Why wasn’t Fielder happy? He seemed to love it there and is a perfect fit there.

Yo Tega
3 years 7 months ago

He loved it so much that he didn’t offer a “hometown” discount…nor has he signed with them.

The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

Im starting to believe there is no such thing as a “hometown discount”

Yo Tega
3 years 7 months ago

This may be true. Though Lee did sign one with the Phillies.

The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

True.

3 years 7 months ago

you could call it hometown discount but Philadelphia wasn’t and isn’t his hometown. It’s Cleveland.

Yo Tega
3 years 7 months ago

Notice hometown in “s…

Chewtoy123
3 years 7 months ago

See Weaver, Jered.

burritolikethesun
3 years 7 months ago

See Wood, Kerry.

smiting_god
3 years 7 months ago

its one thing to test the market. its another to be unhappy

The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

I dont see Fielder signing a 6 year deal.. Im sure Boras wont stop untill he gets at least 8 years min

cyberboo
3 years 7 months ago

AA in Toronto is on record as saying he liked the money, but not the years, or he liked the years, but not the money.  If Fielder is being offered 6 years – 25M, he would be all over that without blinking an eye.  He doesn’t want to get trapped into 7 – 8 year deals that could handicap his team.  Six years is current with the other players he signs, Bautista – 6 years, Lind – 6 years, Romero 6 years, Escobar 5 years, etc.  I can see a Fielder 6 years – 25M going north.  If Texas or anyone else wants him, they will have to offer at least a 180 – 6 year contract.

Madman2TX
3 years 7 months ago

Why? The Rangers have a ton of money from that FoxSports deal to play with. Just because the Cards couldn’t keep Pujols…not every team fails at keeping their core players.

The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

Thats not what Im saying and my comment did not come for bitterness over the Pujols loss… Im thinking that if they sign Fileder, Hamilton will probably sign elsewhere next year because the last thing that team would need is offense. I would imagine they would look at pitching next year if thet really think they need Prince Fielder.

nictonjr
3 years 7 months ago

Might not be the worst thing. His history doesn’t scream ‘will age well’.  How much, and how long, do they offer Hamilton??

Madman2TX
3 years 7 months ago

The Rangers were probably waiting for Pujols to sign…wherever to gauge the market for Fielder. I doubt the Rangers will sign Fielder unless it is for 7 years or less–Boras won’t go for that. As for pitching, they’ll try for Darvish and obviously have trade plans if that fails. It could be Garza or maybe Wandy from the Astros or even Big Z…who knows?

3 years 7 months ago

Darn you beat me Rabbitov… Hmmm interesting.

Anyway, didn’t someone interview Nolan Ryan the other week and I thought he clearly stated that he really didn’t have any interest in Prince Fielder and expressed continued support for Mitch Moreland. Of course this is before Moreland had what?? wrist surgery. Anyway, The Rangers are still the class of the division. I am not really down with the Angels. Sure, they are flashing a lot of cash and I am still not impressed with Dipoto! Although needless to say Duquette has shown nothing like a lot of my horses that I bet at the track (My Edit)! Oh I am a discouraged Orioles fan!

Rabbitov
3 years 7 months ago

I pretty much agreed with you until your shot at Duquette.  I think he gave up too much for Teagarden, but what has he really done that was incompetent thus far? 

3 years 7 months ago

He’s not Pat Gillick.  Amirite Lefty!?!?

3 years 7 months ago

You guys are both after me LOL. Oh well I should expect that by now. I wasn’t happy with the production in Dallas and I certainly wasn’t happy with the Eveland trade. Duquette gave up too much. I would have given the Dodgers nothing and they would have liked it!

Rabbitov
3 years 7 months ago

As far as I’m concerned we did give the Dodgers nothing.   I just don’t see what he’s done that rises to the level of incompetence.  

3 years 7 months ago

Ok, I changed it…Don’t expect to see that too often =P! Maybe, I originally wrote it because I want to see something happen for once that makes sense to me.

Rabbitov
3 years 7 months ago

Lefty all I can ask is that you be yourself ;-). 

3 years 7 months ago

I’m with Rabbitov here.  I actually really like Eveland (for some reason) and we gave the Dodgers nada.  I woul’ve liked to see the O’s keep Miclat but hey, I’d rather have teagarden.

Also, I hope Dan D. moves Givens to the mound.  We have enough cruddy middle infield prospects.

Ps – You know we love giving you a hard time about your affinity for Pat Gillick :p

Chewtoy123
3 years 7 months ago

The rangers continued to say Moreland was their guy until the Angels signed Pujols and Wilson. This new trade rumor might be in reaction to that.

slider32
3 years 7 months ago

Pitching wins, and the Angels have the pitching to beat the Rangers.

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

Was Cashman not “ready to rock and roll” or “open for business” before now?

3 years 7 months ago

He was hibernating.  Those hotel beds at the Winter Meetings were awesome!

InvalidUserID
3 years 7 months ago

Oh Brian Cashman and his mixed signals.

The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

“Rock n Roll”.. well lets go.. lets see some action.. man I wish the Winter Meetings were 2 weeks long

3 years 7 months ago

I’d be pumped if we got Mitch Moreland, but what about Kotchman?

East Coast Bias
3 years 7 months ago

That Cashman quote sounds like he was waiting for Darvish to be posted since Yanks didn’t need Fielder/Pujols, and didn’t want CJ Wilson/closers. 

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

That Cashman quote sounds like “Okay, I’m ready.  So when does this offseason thing get started?”

McYankee84
3 years 7 months ago

I agree… they actually turned down Wilson’s “request” for a meeting… note… the only team Wilson “requested” to have a meeting with that we know of

now Darvish is set to be posted and we are “open for ‘business?” .. coincidence? I think not 

3 years 7 months ago

I wish the Yankees “All the Happiness in the World” if you get Darvish.
The Yankees deserve him! =P

If I am the Orioles, I would kick the tires on Kuroda instead.

Tyler Jedrzejak
3 years 7 months ago

I don’t think Kuroda would sign with the Orioles…and if so it would be for a lot more than 12 M

3 years 7 months ago

Well so be it. If it’s a one year deal then 12 M
However, I would offer him exactly what Chris Carpenter got 2 yr / 21 m

3 years 7 months ago

The Yanks need a short stop.

bigens
3 years 7 months ago

cardinals need to do something and hope its not rollins, would like cuddyer however, and another bat, moeland or thumbo, now that they got albert!!!

3 years 7 months ago

You don’t want Rollins yet you want Ludwick part 2?

The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

Luddy isnt coming back

tomymogo
3 years 7 months ago

Cashman……Jurrjens for Gardner and Nuñez…..

Tyler Jedrzejak
3 years 7 months ago

i like

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

Doubt that would be enough for one of the top pitchers from last year.

3 years 7 months ago

you have to be kidding. That is more than enough. I doubt yanks offer that much.

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

A speedy outfielder with a solid bat and a utility infielder? For one of the best pitchers for last year? If the Braves wanna sell that low for him go for it. Seems to me they’d be wasting an opportunity to ask for the moon like most other teams with a top pitcher do.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

the braves would accept that trade before cashman could even say “and nunez”

jjs91
3 years 7 months ago

Juurjens is a top pitcher?

tomymogo
3 years 7 months ago

Gardner is a good looking player. He is very fast, plays good defense, and is becoming a good hitter, would replace Bourn as leadoff hitter and CF in 2013 and can play in LF in 2012.

And Nuñez super utility, SS, 3B, 2B, LF, RF. Good bench player, Jurrjens hasn’t been healthy the last 2 seasons, I think that would be a great move IMO

tomymogo
3 years 7 months ago

Gardner is a good looking player. He is very fast, plays good defense, and is becoming a good hitter, would replace Bourn as leadoff hitter and CF in 2013 and can play in LF in 2012.

And Nuñez super utility, SS, 3B, 2B, LF, RF. Good bench player, Jurrjens hasn’t been healthy the last 2 seasons, I think that would be a great move IMO

BillB325
3 years 7 months ago

So your telling me a guy who can be a stud lead-off man and a young infielder who has a ton of speed and pop in his bat wouldn’t fetch a injury plagued talented young starter? Oh I must be a fool

tomymogo
3 years 7 months ago

The pop may be Yankee stadium aided, he wouldn’t hit 7 HR in the NL, but I love his OBP

BillB325
3 years 7 months ago

So your telling me a guy who can be a stud lead-off man and a young infielder who has a ton of speed and pop in his bat wouldn’t fetch a injury plagued talented young starter? Oh I must be a fool

3 years 7 months ago

Yankees would be ripping off the Braves, if that were to happen.
Gardner is fast and not much else.
Nunez is a good fielder, but he has no arm!

YanksFanSince78
3 years 7 months ago

You’re completely backwards. Gardner isn’t just fast. He’s also the best defensive OF’er in baseball and has great plate discipline.

See the….

.364 OBP over the last 2 years? That ranks him 11th among Of’ers.

See the….

50.7 UZR over the last 2 years? That ranks him #1 by a wide margin.

See the….

11.3 WAR over the last 2 years? That ranks him 5th overall among OF’ers

See the…

96 SB over the last 2 years? That ranks him 2nd AMONG ALL PLAYERS.

Gardner’s skill set ranges beyond “just being fast”.

As for Nunez, you have it backwards again. He has a very strong arm. His range is average at best probably. He just made too many dumb mental errors last years, especially on throws.

That being said, Gardner for Jurrjens is an overpay, at least from the Yanks perspective. Maybe if JJ managed to stay healthy over the last 2 years things might be different, but right now he isn’t dependable enough to risk the Yanks creating a hole in LF.

tomymogo
3 years 7 months ago

You should be his agent…. Lol.

Look at this:

Through age 25

Greg Maddux had pitched in 
– 177 Games 
– 1174 IP 
– 75-64 W-L
– 3.61 ERA
– 5.66 K/9
– 2.95 BB/9

– Jair Jurrjens has pitched in
– 115 Games
– 702.1 IP
– 50-33 W-L
– 3.40 ERA
– 6.15 K/9
– 3.10 BB/9

-Obviously this are different times, different strike zone, pitchers don’t go as deep, W-L record is a crappy stat to evaluate a player but judging both pitchers peripherals you can’t deny the similarities you see. Jurrjens also pitches in Maddux style, 2 seam fastball, slider, and a great change up. Control sinker-baller type. Jurrjens drop in velocity this year was “planned” to have more control, so he started throwing his fastball 86-92mph, instead of 90-94mph.

– Now Maddux and Jurrjens have one fundamental difference, and that is health. Maddux never went on the DL his whole career, JJ has been injured the last two seasons, most recently by a nagging knee injury that isn’t supposed to be a big deal and quite honestly much less serious than a shoulder or any other arm problems, because as a pitcher, he won’t have long term side effects.So, do you think it is a fair trade to get Jurrjens who will only make around 5 million next year for Brett Gardner(who is very similar to Michael Bourn and under team control for the next 3-4 years), and a backup utility player in Eduardo Nuñez…..

3 years 7 months ago

I am backwards, I am Lefty! =P

tomymogo
3 years 7 months ago

You should be his agent….Lol

Look at this:

Through age 25:

Greg Maddux       vs     Jair Jurrjens
177 Games                  115 Games
1174 IP                       702.1 IP
75-64 W-L                   50-33 W-L 
3.61 ERA                     3.40 ERA
5.66 K/9                      6.15 K/9
2.96 BB/9                    3.10 BB/9

Obviously this are different times, different strike zone, pitchers don’t go as deep as they used to, W-L is a crappy stat to evaluate a pitcher, but you can’t deny how similar these two pitchers are in ERA, K/9, and BB/9. Jair Jurrjens also has the same style, a 2 seam fastball that he threw 90-94mph but had a “planned” drop in velocity to 86-92mph, a good slider, and a devastating change up as ground ball/control pitcher.

Now they do have one fundamental difference, Maddux never went on the DL his whole career and Jurrjens hasn’t been entirely healthy the last two seasons, most recently because a nagging knee injury which quite honestly isn’t as big of a concern as a shoulder or elbow injury would be since it shouldn’t have long term side effects.

So, I do think Jair Jurrjens for Brett Gardner and Eduardo Nuñez is a fair trade since Brett Gardner is under team control for the next 3-4 years like you said is one of the best defenders in LF and good in CF, and could be the next Carl Crawford/ Michael Bourn type that could lead the league in stolen bases, and leadoff with good OBP’s. And Eduardo Nuñez a quality backup utility player that can play SS, something ATL is looking for. Yankees gamble on Jurrjens health who is only 25 with a nagging knee injury, but could be the next Greg Maddux……….

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

lol what a comparison..

Had greg maddux stayed with those numbers, he’d hardly be considered one of the greats

Maddux from age 25-32 was unreal, performance levels that Jurrjens has no chance of achieving.

1995- Maddux

19-2, 1.63 ERA, 181 k/ 23 bb. 7.87 so/k , 0.3 hr/9

Maddux was worth 54 WAR from 92-98, 7.6 WAR/ Season. Jurrjens peak WAR so far has been 3.9.
In short, you took a very simplistic comparison and are making JJ out to be something he’s not. He has no chance of putting up the numbers maddux did from age 25-32.. If there was a chance, yankees would probably be more inclined to move gardner.

but as it stands right now, Gardner is FAR more valuable than JJ

tomymogo
3 years 7 months ago

That’s my point, JJ isn’t even in his prime which is 25-32, and in some numbers he is actually better than what Maddux was by his age 25 season.

I’m not predicting JJ is going to be HOF pitcher, I mean nobody can do that, but you’ve got to realize there was some debate if he should have started the ASG this year instead of Roy Halladay, he was that good in the first half. 16 starts 12-3 with a 1.87 ERA in 110.2 IP. And in 2009 he was 4th in Cy Young voting with a 14-10 record 215 IP 2.60 ERA.

This guy is a good pitcher, and for the Yankees to get a proven pitcher only estimated to making 5 million and under team control for 2 more years has to be more valuable than a LF that they could sign in FA any offseason.

Young quality pitchers are tougher to find in FA. Yankees could easily sign Carlos Beltran to play LF for instance and offensively that would be an upgrade over Gardner, but who could they sign to pitch? Yu Darvish? (tell me a quality SP from Japan apart from Kuroda that has had more than 5 quality seasons in mlb?) Igawa, Matsuzaka, Kawakami, they all suck, they work as relievers not as starters. And after Darvish, Roy Oswalt who is done, Edwin Jackson? I mean come on

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

want to play a comparison game? you like those. last 3 seasons

FIP-

jurrjens 98
jackson 92

ERA-

jurrjens 81
jackson 83

SIERA

jurrjens 4.42
jackson 4.06

tERA

jurrjens 4.27
jackson 3.93

IP – WAR

jurrjens 483 – 6.0
jackson 623 – 10.2

jurrjens wins only in terms of ERA. and he wins in ERA only because of his BABIP. is the discrepancy deserved? maybe jurrjens is just better at inducing weak contact!

BABIP

jurrjens .276
jackson .307

LD% – GB% – IFFB%

jurrjens 19.1 – 41.9 – 7.7
jackson 20.7 – 44.0 – 9.6

nnnnnope. the maddux comparison is just offensive. similarly unremarkable beginnings to a career do not in any way shape or form imply the likelihood of similarly phenomenal peaks

jurrjens is an average pitcher. you can covet his potential and you’re welcome to a hunch that he’ll be breaking through in the future, but there’s absolutely nothing in the numbers to suggest it. and young or not, very few people are going to give up established stars like gardner for average arms like jurrjens

tomymogo
3 years 7 months ago

What did Jackson’s stat’s look like by age 25? He’ll be 28 now, so technically he is 3 years into his prime and he is only an “average pitcher”, and he still isn’t consistent. Jackson has potential, good arm, but I think he won’t get any better than what he has done his last 3 years.

My point is, seems people don’t seem to read my post, is heading into his prime ages 25-32 he is in similar shape as Greg Maddux was and certainly better than Edwin Jackson who had a horrible career with 5.15 ERA through his first 6 years in the majors until 2008. In 2009 when he was trade to Detroit at his age 25 season he had a breakout season with a 3.62 ERA.

Edwin Jackson is a 4th or 5th starter in the Braves pitching staff for instance, he give you innings and 30 starts every year, but he isn’t an ace or a number two starter like Jurrjens has been in the past and has the potential of being in the future.

I’m not predicting a HOF career, I don’t see the future.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

well no, the point you made that i responded to was about other options on the market. you characterized oswalt as “done” and then gave jackson and question mark and a “come on”. but in fact, jackson projects to be better than jurrjens going forward. that’s what the data tells us

you tell us something else and try to imply it has something to do with the data (really just his age). but in fact, if we pay attention to sequencing, jurrjens is not trending upward at all. if anything, he has regressed from his first couple of seasons

i told you it’s fine to covet a player’s potential. i don’t have a problem with jurrjens being your boy. i have a problem with you trying to turn that personal bias into market value. it doesn’t work that way. he’s worth what he is, not what you hope you could become

your comments about jackson are in error. the numbers show jurrjens isn’t any better than him, whether it’s in the braves’ rotation or especially in the yankees’

tomymogo
3 years 7 months ago

The regression is because of injuries after a breakout season in 2009.

I like some of the new numbers like BABIP, some ratios like BB/9, K/9, GD%, but the fundamental difference between the way I value a player and your way is the importance I give to the old fashion numbers.

Innings pitched and ERA are the two I value the most, WAR, FIP, etc. are nice to get some perspective but they are overly dependent on power pitchers and do not properly display a pitchers value when they are not power pitchers because WAR get’s a big boost by a pitchers K rate.

So anyways I stick with IP and ERA as the two essential statistics in measuring a pitchers value

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

well no, the point you made that i responded to was about other options on the market. you characterized oswalt as “done” and then gave jackson and question mark and a “come on”. but in fact, jackson projects to be better than jurrjens going forward. that’s what the data tells us

you tell us something else and try to imply it has something to do with the data (really just his age). but in fact, if we pay attention to sequencing, jurrjens is not trending upward at all. if anything, he has regressed from his first couple of seasons

i told you it’s fine to covet a player’s potential. i don’t have a problem with jurrjens being your boy. i have a problem with you trying to turn that personal bias into market value. it doesn’t work that way. he’s worth what he is, not what you hope you could become

your comments about jackson are in error. the numbers show jurrjens isn’t any better than him, whether it’s in the braves’ rotation or especially in the yankees’

East Coast Bias
3 years 7 months ago

dingdingding we have a winner!

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

want to play a comparison game? you like those. last 3 seasons

FIP-

jurrjens 98
jackson 92

ERA-

jurrjens 81
jackson 83

SIERA

jurrjens 4.42
jackson 4.06

tERA

jurrjens 4.27
jackson 3.93

IP – WAR

jurrjens 483 – 6.0
jackson 623 – 10.2

jurrjens wins only in terms of ERA. and he wins in ERA only because of his BABIP. is the discrepancy deserved? maybe jurrjens is just better at inducing weak contact!

BABIP

jurrjens .276
jackson .307

LD% – GB% – IFFB%

jurrjens 19.1 – 41.9 – 7.7
jackson 20.7 – 44.0 – 9.6

nnnnnope. the maddux comparison is just offensive. similarly unremarkable beginnings to a career do not in any way shape or form imply the likelihood of similarly phenomenal peaks

jurrjens is an average pitcher. you can covet his potential and you’re welcome to a hunch that he’ll be breaking through in the future, but there’s absolutely nothing in the numbers to suggest it. and young or not, very few people are going to give up established stars like gardner for average arms like jurrjens

Fifty_Five
3 years 7 months ago

Maddux first 4 full seasons    WAR: 22.4    FIP: 3.40 
Jurrjens first 4 full seasons    WAR: 10.3    FIP: 3.99

And you can’t assume that Jurrjens’ career will take off just like Maddux’s did. The Yankees are better off not giving anyone up and signing Edwin Jackson. He’s essentially as good as, if not better than JJ and he’s got experience in the AL

tomymogo
3 years 7 months ago

innings like I said, make a huge difference. Nobody can pitch the amount of innings that this guys pitched before relievers, tighter strike zone, etc.

slider32
3 years 7 months ago

Fangraphs rates Gardner much better than you do, he might be one the top left fielders in baseball, his WAR was 5.1 which was third last year for LF.

East Coast Bias
3 years 7 months ago

No thanks. I’d rather keep Gardner. 

nictonjr
3 years 7 months ago

 Especially for a guy that’s missed 1/3 of his starts over the last 2 seasons.  The AL East is a lot different than the NL East.  Especially if you have one bad knee…

tomymogo
3 years 7 months ago

I think the NL East is one of the toughest divisions in baseball, the toughest in the NL, that’s for sure.

3 years 7 months ago

I’m with you..I think he’s great and I’m a big fan.

I’m also one of maybe 30 people in the world that own a Gardner jersey, including Gardner himself 😉

cyberboo
3 years 7 months ago

Montero and Gardner for Jurrgens is more like it.  Why do fans keep trying to pawn off a utility player in Nunez – twenty errors on other teams.  The guy has zero value in a trade.  If the Yankees want to throw him in with Montero and Gardner for a pitcher of Jurrgens calibre, fine, but making him a star when he isn’t is ridiculous.  That is like Toronto trading E5 – fourteen errors for King Felix, it would never happen.

tomymogo
3 years 7 months ago

Look I’m a Braves fan, but no way they trade Montero and Gardner for Jurrjens who let’s be honest has diminished trade value with his injuries the last couple of seasons. Gardner is a good player, and Cashman has been so stingy lately holding on to players, he certainly values Gardner a lot, because he is young, very fast, a very good defender, and he gets on base a lot, and with his speed that is a major asset. The fact that he can play CF means that ATL can replace Bourn next season with Gardner as their CF and have him for the next 3-4 years under team control.

To me even though I like Gardner a lot, I think Yankees should add a player to the deal because Jurrjens is a very good young pitcher as well, and since they have demonstrated an interest a Nuñez as a super utility player capable of playing SS, I think they should add him to make this a fair trade

East Coast Bias
3 years 7 months ago

You’re arguing over the sprig of parsley. The argument was about Gardner for Jurrjens… Nunez is basically a non-factor. 

But great trade proposal, though I think Yankees should add Banuelos as well. Jurrjens has mad potential bro!

baseballdude
3 years 7 months ago

when isnt cashman open for business.

3 years 7 months ago

passover

bigpat
3 years 7 months ago

Mitch Moreland > Albert Pujols

-Nolan Ryan

The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

“Rangers will win the World Series in 6 games”

-Nolan Ryan

Madman2TX
3 years 7 months ago

Oh no! We suck again! –Cards fans after the Pujols signing

stl_cards16
3 years 7 months ago

“Cardinals will suck again”

– People that make excuses for losing to the Cardinals.

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

Lol who’s making excuses? We got one strike away and then it seemed Texas just assumed it was over. Texas beat themselves.

The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

Pretty sure Cardinals beat Texas 6-2

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

What I mean is after Texas lost game 6, after it seemed like they assumed the victory was theirs, they didn’t even show up in game 7 (beating themselves). I’m not taking anything away from the Cardinals. They’re a good club. But Texas gave the Series to STL.

The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

I knw what you mean.. But the Cardinals won that game. You can say “Texas gave them game 7″ for the rest of your life but I dont believe that for a second. That was one of the best World Series ever, both teams played hard and no one gave anything to anyone.

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

Maybe not but after coming within a strike and losing game 6, they didn’t seem all there in game 7 which was very disappointing.

The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

Have you heard Washingtons “motivation game 7 speech”? Its pretty inspiring.. 

East Coast Bias
3 years 7 months ago

ouch..

NYPOTENCE
3 years 7 months ago

How many rings do you have??? As far as I’m concerned the Redbirds have won 11 titles, quiet is what I expect from the less fortunate. Thank you

The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

coming from a yankees fan..haha

3 years 7 months ago

He was one crappy Nelson Cruz play away from being prophetic.

baschkar
3 years 7 months ago

If you’re trading Moreland, why not build a package for Garza or Shields, assuming he’d be available for the same amount Garza is?

bigpat
3 years 7 months ago

 Because he’s only Mitch Moreland, a league average first baseman. A deal centered around Moreland and secondary prospects wouldn’t work for the Rays, they will demand a top prospect and a few other highly rated guys. Garza wouldn’t be cheap either, even though they have a need at 1B as well.

baschkar
3 years 7 months ago

I understand he’s not a premier trade target. Never said he was the centerpiece. I’m just saying, since we’re already talking about trading him for a starter, make a package of something like Moreland, Feldman and Neil Ramirez and someone like Engle Beltre, where Ramirez is a top prospect involved.

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

Moreland, Olt, Scheppers, and Feldman (seeing as the Cubs have some weird interest in him for some reason) for Garza. That gives the Cubs a ML ready starter, a guy in Scheppers who is very close (with a very high ceiling, but needs to work on control and consistency), a ML starting 1B with solid defense and a good bat, and a 3B prospect who is only a year or two away.

baschkar
3 years 7 months ago

That would get it done, though I’d prefer keeping Olt.

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

Texas has no place for Olt unless they switch him to 1B, then he could be in future plans. But with the Beltre contract, you’re looking at not seeing Olt on 3B in the majors until probably 4 or so years from now when he’d be 29 (that’s just assuming Beltre would be moved to DH by then). I’d rather sell high on Olt because Texas still has a young 3B in Christian Villenueva who actually probably is a better all around player but is much younger than Olt.

imachainsaw
3 years 7 months ago

it really wouldn’t. Olt is the only good piece in that package, the rest are garbage who are destined to be minor league roster fillers, we have plenty of that. The cubs are asking for a ‘greinke-like’ offer, honestly does that sound like one to you?

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

Haha are you kidding? Moreland would start at 1B for the Cubs and give solid defense behind a solid bat. Feldman’s numbers would be amazing for the Cubs after a move from the toughest park for pitchers, to a more comfortable park, Scheppers is the only question mark in the group because of his inconsistency in AAA (but he could probably still make the bullpen out of ST), and Olt would be on the Cubs roster in less than two years. Most teams would love getting 2, possibly 3, ML ready players and a top prospect for a #2 pitcher.

imachainsaw
3 years 7 months ago

we’re not aiming to be the orioles or the pirates. we’re trying to build a winning team. Brian LaHair is a better bet than Moreland, and we already have a blue chip offensive 1B in the lower minors. No pitcher can go from crap to cy from just a park change. and it’s not like wrigley is a pitcher’s park. you’re trying to talk this package up like it’s something really substantial, but all the numbers show it’s pretty pedestrian.

Clark_N_Addison
3 years 7 months ago

Yeah.. Number 2 pitcher if the ace of the staff is someone like Roy Halliday or CC.. With the Rangers, Garza immediately becomes your ace.

Don’t take my word for it, check the stats yourself. 

link to baseballprospectus.com

Garza was number 9 in VORP (Value over  Replacement. Just under CJ Wilson.

Garza was also tough on AL East hitters when he was in Tampa. He will have it much easier against AL West lineups.

That being said. I would rather you trade  within your division for Gio Gonzalez. That is if you want your prospects to come back and haunt you every year.

As for Moreland, I would back off any hitter coming off wrist surgery in a trade.

Come back with something stronger than Moreland, Scheppers, Olt and Feldman and then MAYBE you can get in a conversation for Garza.

joeybw
3 years 7 months ago

Stand strong, Friedman.

You can get Yonder for Davis, just gotta stop trying to get Grandal also.

3 years 7 months ago

No you can’t.

Yankees420
3 years 7 months ago

He can’t, but Friedman might be able to.

Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 7 months ago

Wade Davis in Texas = doom.

The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

Thats not what Im saying and my comment did not come for bitterness over the Pujols loss… Im thinking that if they sign Fileder, Hamilton will probably sign elsewhere next year because the last thing that team would need is offense. I would imagine they would look at pitching next year if thet really think they need Prince Fielder.

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

They play completely different positions. Why would would they need to get rid of Hamilton?

Texas just signed a huge tv deal as well, they can afford both. they don’t have a high payroll

The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

I was wacthing MLBtv lastnight and they showed what the line up would look like with Fielder.. Napoli was batting 8th! It was absolutely ridiculous. They need pitching…its no secret.

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

They made it to the WS without an ace last year.
They have the offense to overcome average pitching.

The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

Yeah but they lost the World Series last year. Signing a true Ace over Fielder would give them a better chance to WIN it.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

making it to the WS two years in a row is more impressive in many ways than winning it once

not as much fun, granted. but it speaks to the club’s talent. the playoffs are kind of a crapshoot

The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

I disagree, I would much rather win a World Series than lose 2 in a row.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

that isn’t actually disagreeing with what i said

The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

OK let me rephrase.. I am much more impressed with a World Series title than losing 2 World Series in a row.

3 years 7 months ago

He didn’t say that.  It’s just harder to fluke into back-to-back pennants than a WS Championship.   

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

making it to the WS two years in a row is more impressive in many ways than winning it once

not as much fun, granted. but it speaks to the club’s talent. the playoffs are kind of a crapshoot

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

I don’t think they need Fielder either. I think if Texas wants Davis, they could get him for a prospect or two. Or they could go the route of getting McGehee then trading Moreland for Davis. That’d be interesting and wouldn’t blow our payroll to hell. I just don’t think the Brewers would do it because of their hole at 1B. Texas could also just sign Carlos Pena to a reasonable deal if they want to trade Moreland. And then we could include Moreland in a deal for Garza. Moreland, Feldman (don’t know why the Cubs like him so much but okay), Scheppers and maybe Olt. Both teams win as the Cubs would get a big package with 2 ML starters, Scheppers who is very close (could probably make the bullpen out of ST) and Olt who could be their future 3B and is only a year or two away. And Texas gets their ace for 4 guys that they don’t really need.

Chewtoy123
3 years 7 months ago

Who can ever have too much offense?

slider32
3 years 7 months ago

Yanks bid for Darvish is going to be big, 65 million, contract  6/60. The Cash-man is sitting on some mucho bucks.

MB923
3 years 7 months ago

Think so? I don’t think the Yankees will go higher than $40 mi, and actually I expect the Rangers to bid higher

3 years 7 months ago

I wish the Yankees and Rangers “Happy Bidding”!

I can’t see Nolan Ryan going for Darvish, I just can’t.

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

Texas’ front office is said to really like Darvish. Texas has scouted Darvish as heavily as anyone. If they like him, I think they’ll get him.

MB923
3 years 7 months ago

I agree, and I think they need him as much as the Yankees do, maybe even more since they lost their ace

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

Texas’ front office is said to really like Darvish. Texas has scouted Darvish as heavily as anyone. If they like him, I think they’ll get him.

MB923
3 years 7 months ago

Why not? They lost their ace to their division rival. We don’t know how Darvish would do in the MLB, but he’s the only great pitcher left on the market as a free agent.

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

Texas could sign Darvish, trade Feldman, Moreland, Scheppers and Olt for Garza, and sign Carlos Pena and Mike Gonzalez or Oliver.

SP: Darvish, Garza, Lewis, Feliz, and Holland

RP: Harrison, Tateyama, Lowe, Uehara, Ogando, Gonzalez/Oliver, Adams, and Nathan

Lineup: Kinsler (2B), Andrus (SS), Hamilton (LF), Beltre (3B), Napoli (C), Young (DH), Cruz (RF), Pena (1B), Murphy (CF

RangersFan1990
3 years 7 months ago

Putting Harrison in the bullpen is dumb IMO. He had a VERY good year last year. He is young, good, cost controllable, and consistent. If he is not in our rotation, we need to trade him for something. 

How about replacing Olt and Scheppers with Harrison, making it Feldman, Harrison, and Moreland for Garza. That’s two major league ready mid rotation starters and a young talented 1B to take a shot on…

A good return for the Cubs IMO

BillB325
3 years 7 months ago

I’m not against your Garza proposal at all, but from what it sounds like, the Cubs are probably going to ask for a deal with Holland in it.

slider32
3 years 7 months ago

I think the highest bids will come from the Sox, Yanks, Rangers, Nats, Cubs, and Jays.  Darvish would be a key piece for all these teams.

nictonjr
3 years 7 months ago

I like the Red Sox.  The seem to be concerned with the luxury tax threshold.  Getting Darvish for ~$10 mil a year, contract wise, is a bargain…

nictonjr
3 years 7 months ago

I like the Red Sox.  The seem to be concerned with the luxury tax threshold.  Getting Darvish for ~$10 mil a year, contract wise, is a bargain…

3 years 7 months ago

Wade Davis in Texas is in no way better than what we already have….unless we’re talking as a middle reliever. Still, in the scenario of signing Fielder, getting as much value for Moreland (in spite of team needs) should be priority #1.

slider32
3 years 7 months ago

The Rangers can go either way, if they get the bid for Darvish they will pass on Fielder, but if they don’t win the bid they can make a good offer to Fielder. They really don’t have a weakness.

3 years 7 months ago

Why doesnt Texas sign Fielder and trade for Shields instead of Davis?

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

Because we don’t need Fielder and Shields cost too much. Signing Carlos Pena and trading Moreland in a package for Garza makes much more sense. And that would also leave enough financial room for Yu Darvish.

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

Because we don’t need Fielder and Shields cost too much. Signing Carlos Pena and trading Moreland in a package for Garza makes much more sense. And that would also leave enough financial room for Yu Darvish.

slider32
3 years 7 months ago

I don’t think the Rays are trading with the Rangers, since the Rangers beat them the last 2 years in the playoffs. I like Cinncy trading with the Rays for either Davis or Shields. They have Alonzo, Grandel, Frazier, or Heisey who would fit well with the Rays.