Padres Notes: Rizzo, Maholm, Young, Quentin

Bill Center of the San Diego Union-Tribune held his weekly chat with fans today and shared some news about some possible moves the Padres could have cooking this offseason…

  • Center thinks Anthony Rizzo will be traded "in the next week or two."  He predicts Rizzo will be sent to the Rays, who will then flip Rizzo to the Cubs, where he is "still coveted" by (former Padres executives) Jed Hoyer and Jason McLeod.
  • The Padres will begin negotiations with Cameron Maybin about a multiyear contract once the team has dealt with its arbitration-eligible players.  We heard earlier this week that the two sides would revisit contract talks in January.  Center predicts a Maybin extension would be worth "at least" $15-18MM and be five or six years in length, which would buy out all three of Maybin's arbitration years and at least one of his free agent years.
  • Center believes the Padres will add another pitcher through free agency, and says he's heard the names of Paul Maholm and Jon Garland connected to the club, though Center doesn't think Garland returning to San Diego is likely.  Garland pitched for the Friars in 2010 and then opted out of a mutual option to enter the free agent market.  Garland ended up signing a one-year deal with the Dodgers but made just nine starts for L.A. due to an oblique injury and season-ending shoulder surgery in July.
  • The team "apparently can't put together a deal that would interest Chris Young" since "it would have to be incentive laden and the Padres aren't offering incentive contracts."  Young, who pitched for San Diego from 2006-10, has been plagued by shoulder injuries that have limited him to just 22 starts over the last three seasons.  Young posted a 1.88 ERA in four starts with the Mets last year before undergoing season-ending surgery to repair an anterior capsule tear in his throwing shoulder.
  • "There is nothing close" between the Padres and White Sox about a possible Carlos Quentin trade.  The Friars were known to be targeting Quentin last month.
  • The Padres may choose to take cash from the Pirates to finalize last July's Ryan Ludwick trade, rather than a player to be named later.
  • Center thinks the Padres "desperately" need to acquire a close-to-Major League-ready middle infield prospect.


146 Responses to Padres Notes: Rizzo, Maholm, Young, Quentin Leave a Reply

  1. joeybw 4 years ago

    Why in the world would the Rays trade for a young potential stud 1B just to flip him? So we can resign Kotchman? If we trade for Rizzo, we’re keeping him.

  2. Who would the Cubs flip to the Rays then?  I don’t see either of the Padres or Rays wanting Garza…

    • joeybw 4 years ago

      Been there, done that. We have 8 pitchers and a gaping hole at 1B, Rays flipping a young potential stud to another team makes zero sense.

  3. Lastings 4 years ago

    Why waste your time?

  4. thejackhammer 4 years ago

    Rizzo for Hak ju lee, you heard it here first folks.

    • joeybw 4 years ago

      Rizzo for Hak Ju Lee? Just making sure.

      Your sentence still makes more sense than us getting Rizzo and giving him away.

      • joeybw 4 years ago

        Well you fixed it so now I just look like a *censored* Sorry.

        This dude didn’t even give a reason why we would give Rizzo away right after getting him….

        • Amish_willy 4 years ago

          Yeah, there was nothing more to it than Center wild hair speculation. If anything I could see the Padres flipping the return from Rizzo (Davis?) to another team if the Rays are unwilling to give up Lee for him.

          • joeybw 4 years ago

            This I can see. But if anyone thinks the Rays get their man just to give him away, I want some of what they’re having.

      • thejackhammer 4 years ago

        Auto-correct ftw

    • YODA777 4 years ago

      Lee is not enough for Rizzo.  Davis and Lee for Rizzo.  The Padres do not need to trade Rizzo just yet.  Rizzo is the top rated first base prospect in all of baseball.  Lee is not even in the top 5 shortstop prospects. 

      • Beersy 4 years ago

        I’m not trying to start anything here, but other than Profar and Machado, who are the other 2 SS prospects rated higher then Lee?  He is the 2nd best prospect in the Tampa Bay system which is always one of the better systems.

  5. Vmmercan 4 years ago

    Man that Gonzalez trade looks worse every day.

    • Teemberland 4 years ago

      At least the Padres got some “Trade Chip” for him. Instead of letting him walk to FA with nothing back.

      • Vmmercan 4 years ago

        They would have gotten two picks….Which will probably end up having more potential than Kelly and Rizzo.

        • Amish_willy 4 years ago

          Two picks in the 2012 draft, with eta’s no sooner than 2015. I’d much rather have Kelly/Rizzo/Fuentes than those two picks. As of now the Padres already have 5 of the first 58 picks in next years draft, and with the spending limits now in place, those picks would only be so valuable.

        • Teemberland 4 years ago

          I doubt that. With Rizzo and Kelly, you know exactly what you are getting.

    • Ohhhplease 4 years ago

      The Padres were totally painted into a corner of teams that would take the HUGE contract to keep Gonzalez…the 92 win season of 2010 is what killed the trade value and market for Gonzalez.

      • VivaJackMurphy 4 years ago

        *90 win season. 92 wins would have put them in the playoffs.

        /sobs silently to self

    • johnnycomelately9 4 years ago

      Yeah but the Adams deal is looking great and the jury is out on the Latos deal.

  6. Rizzo and Blanks for Beckham/Lee, Davis/Niemann, and something else? solves the Rays’ 1B/DH problem and the Padres’ MIF problem – makes it easier for them to then flip Hudson and Bartlett + they get a SP whose asset value can be inflated by PETCO a la Volquez.

    • joeybw 4 years ago

      Toss me Gregerson with Blanks and Rizzo, we trade Beckham, the long term signed cheap Wade Davis who would own Petco and who knows, some average prospect I can’t even think of. Sound good? Or Beckham and Davis for Rizzo and Blanks would work better probably.

      • Amish_willy 4 years ago

        Yeah Wade Davis and his flyball tendancies would be better suited for Petco, BUT, the proposed trade would work much better if there was a need for Davis. Think there is a reason Davis is available this early in his new contract when he’s only owed 4.3m over the next two years, he’s not as good as the Rays were thinking he’d be. The 14% strikeout percentage over the last two years is well below average and a new park isn’t going to all of sudden turn him into an excellent starter.  Maybe I’m selling him short, and if the Padres could flip to another team for something of better use, perhaps its feasible.

        From the Padres POV, Lee for Rizzo would be the most appealing trade. If the Rays are in no way willing to make that trade due to future need at SS and are only interested in moving Beckham, they’d probably have to throw in an arm like Alex Cobb to make it happen and that’s only if the Padres like Beckham enough in the first place, which I have my doubts.

        • YODA777 4 years ago

          The Padres would be making a huge mistake to let Rizzo go for Beckham, heck a straight up trade for Lee is not enough.  I like the Rizzo/Blanks for Davis/Lee trade.  I think both Blanks and Rizzo would hit quite well in the American League.

      • briankoke 4 years ago

        No thanks.

      • Padres have multiple pitchers better and cheaper than Davis about ready to hit the ML. Why would they trade for Davis?

        Beckham has been a total disappointment while Blanks, Rizzo and Gregerson are all major league ready or ML players. Why would they move them as a package?

    • Beersy 4 years ago

      Lee/Davis for Rizzo/Blanks, I’m pretty sure Byrnes would make that deal any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

  7. BVHjays 4 years ago

    Yeah, that Cubs/Rays rumor is kind of weird. Don’t see a real fit there, unless…

    …and don’t shoot me, I’m just throwing this out there – but it seems like there are a lot of teams getting buzz with the Cubs that don’t exactly seem like fits for the players you’d think they’d be shopping. Garza isn’t going to be a fit with the Rays. And with all the rumours of the Cubs looking at exciting Jays prospects, it sort of makes you wonder, with the way the Jays operate, if Garza isn’t actually their target there…

    What I’m getting at is, do you think there’s any chance the Cubs trade Starlin Castro for a giant bounty of prospects? Combine that with a Garza trade and they can really quickly rebuild their farm system – a task which seems a lot harder under the new CBA than it likely did when Theo/Hoyer took over.

    • No one on the current team is untouchable.  However, I believe it would take a huge bounty of prospects, simply because Castro is young, cheap and has tons of potential

      • BVHjays 4 years ago

        Yeah, no doubt it would take a giant package, not trying to undersell that at all. I clearly realize how valuable Castro is. I’m just starting to wonder if they would deal him if someone met the price, and the two teams I mentioned – Jays and Rays – would seem like very good candidates to meet that price and would have the need (assuming Jays move Castro to 2nd, as I know most think he ends up at 2nd or 3rd eventually anyways).

        • justme 4 years ago

          There is no way castro is available,period end of story….he is just 21 years old and already shows 25hr 25 steal potential…the idea of trading to build a young farm is to develop young stars for the future to build around….y trade a guy who already fits that format and is already proven he can do it….especially a ss/second baseman with  power speed and can hit for average…that in itself is so rare in today’s game….in just theory the one scenario that might work is if a team was willing to take big z and soriano and there full contracts with some sort of prospect throwing in…then they might bite to free them of there finical responsibility….i’m sure there isn’t a team foolish enough to bite on that no matter how high in regards they hold castro.  

          • padresfuture 4 years ago

            I don’t believe in untouchables. Only a fool would make himself purposely deaf.

    • jayrig5 4 years ago

      While I’m sure that, in theory, Castro is available, I have a hard time imagining a team willing/able to meet what I’m sure would be an astounding demand from the Cubs.

      • BVHjays 4 years ago

        Truth be told, I think the Mat Latos deal provides a pretty similar outline for what a package for Castro would take.

        They’re both players that were highly ranked prospects with two successful years under their belts. Latos’ results by WAR are a bit stronger, but he gets dinged for being a few years older, pitcher injury risk, and the Petco factor.

        So maybe Castro is a bit more valuable, but I think overall that’s similar to the price the Cubs could reasonably ask for.

    • Eric Foster 4 years ago

      There’s no way the Cubs trade Castro. He’s a a young building block who will be in the prime of his career by the time Chicago is ready to contend. Even with the new CBA, and it’s huge effects on building from within…I’d let the prospects develop, make some big picture trades and build around Castro. 
      We had a great draft this year, and could potentially collect a huge bounty for Garza.

      If Castro wasn’t so young, I’d listen to offers of him. But, combine his age, with being a middle infielder that will hit for average and power, and steal 20 bases. He’s going to be the face of the franchise.

      • johnnycomelately9 4 years ago

        If they want Rizzo they have to offer Castro so I don’t see how Jed and Co get Rizzo unless we trade him and he trades for him.  The pads don’t want a deal built around Garza and Marmol, or Edwin Jackson, Marmol, and other prospects.

        • Eric Foster 4 years ago

          That’s nonsense. 
          The Padres are always looking to stockpile prospects.
          Castro for Rizzo would never happen. Castro is a proven hitter, yet to even hit his prime. Rizzo has done nothing, yet…Which was why the Padres chose Alonso as their first baseman moving forward.

          The Padres would need to settle for high upside prospects-
          Which is all any team will offer for Rizzo at this stage in his career.

        • padresfuture 4 years ago

          The Padres would have to offer more than Rizzo if they wanted Castro. The Padres now have the system to make the Cubs listen, but I don’t think I would pay the price. The Cubs would probably want Rizzo, Gyorko, and 1 of our top AA arms. The Padres may have to fill their SS with stopgaps like Bartlett until they can develop one of their own.

          • MikhelB 4 years ago

            Rizzo was “fine” in Hoyer’s view when he asked for him as the principal chip in the Adrián González trade, so, he is not enough now that the Padres are offering Rizzo to Hoyer for a much less acomplished hitter AND fielder (Castro plainly sucks)? Sure you an add a couple of young players yet to reach AA who have not done a single thing at the levels they’ve played… heey Hoyer has to remember that it is fair now that he’s also dealing with his former team… LMAO!

          • padresfuture 4 years ago

            I am not even sure what you just said or what your point of view is.

          • Eric Foster 4 years ago

            You were clearly conceived in a tool shed at a family reunion.
            None of what you said made any sense, and you should feel terrible about it.

          • YODA777 4 years ago

            I would trade Rizzo, Gyroko and one of the top AA arms for Castro in a heart beat.  The Padres already have Headley at 3b, Alonzo at 1b and probably the deepest farm system in pitching [Rangers possibly higher] in MLB.  What the Padres do not have is an elite shortstop prospect anywhere close to the bigs. 

          • Beersy 4 years ago

            Not a chance.  Gyorko should be going nowhere but Petco.  His hitting approach is perfect for Petco and Byrnes shouldn’t be trading away guys who should/could excel at Petco.

          • Beersy 4 years ago

            If I were Byrnes I would not make a deal with Hoyer unless I was blown away.  Hoyer and McLeod have way to good a feel for the Padres system and probably have a few hidden gems they love too.  BTW, the Padres can solve their SS issues by signing Erick Aybar next off season when he hits free agency.  He is exactly what the doctor ordered for the Padres.

          • They would probably want even more than that.

        • Castro? Not even close!

  8. bomberj11 4 years ago

    You tell that at parties?

  9. I see a great fit for the Redsoxs to get 
    Carlos Quentin

  10. dc21892 4 years ago

    That’s a bold prediction about the Rays acquiring Rizzo then flipping him. Really don’t see that happening.

  11. Eric Foster 4 years ago

    That’s a nightmare scenario for Cubs fans.
    As talented as Rizzo is, he does have enough issues at the plate to question if he’s an absolute sure thing. He struggles mightily with a decent breakingball. And although he does feature an immaculate sweeping, left handed swing…He hasn’t yet shown the ability to hit big league pitching. 
    Personally, I think he’s an all star in the making. And the his pull power in Wrigley Field would be conducive to huge numbers.

    However, after the last trade we made with the Rays…I’d be cautious.
    We do NOT need to sell the farm this time.
    Dan Vogelbach has the physique of Uncle Phil from the Fresh Prince, but he’s got raw, plus power.

    If I’m TheoJed, I offer Vitters, Dolis, and a change of scenery candidate in Hayden Simpson. 

  12. Teemberland 4 years ago

    I just don’t understand why the Padres are ‘rushing’ to trade Rizzo. You don’t have to trade him right now. 

    • rizdak 4 years ago

      There’s a logjam at 1B. Guzman, Rizzo, Blanks and the new guy from the Latos trade. Not saying Rizzo needs to go, but they have to decide on something. Oh yeah, they even re-signed Jeremy Hermida. 

    • grownice 4 years ago

       He’s predicting. Not Stating that its definitely going to happen or whether or not that the padres even want to.

      • Teemberland 4 years ago

        Thing is, he shouldn’t be in trade rumors right now. I understand there is a log jam in 1B, but you can easily put Rizzo in AAA for at least one more year. He’s only 22/23. Then place Blanks (who can play LF), Guzman (who can play multiple positions), and Alonzo in the Majors. 

    • justme 4 years ago

      i agree and the rays seem content with moving zobrist to first so y pay a mint to flip him to a team looking for prospects…mostly…a straight up trade to the cubs from padres makes more sense….padres do have a log jam at first but could use a young 3rd base prospect just about ready for the majors….vitters,byrd  and a middle of the road pitching prospect makes sense fills a couple wholes for the padres and the cubs get there first baseman…not to mention the cubs just signed stewart to play third he will fill their void there for a couple years until a couple there other young third basemen are ready to be called up.

      • leachim2 4 years ago

        No. They have 1 million young almost ready third base prospects.

    • They arent. The media is. And Bill Center is a hack. One of worst baseball “writers” in America.

  13. Rizzo is coming off as vastly underrated judging by these comments. I would have thought he’d bring back a top 5 prospect and a top 10 prospect from a team…guess I may be off. He’s still kind of really awesome and SD just got Alonso because he was available, not because Rizzo is bad. 

    • padresfuture 4 years ago

      Rizzo may be worth 2 of a teams top 10 ten prospects depending on how good that farm system is. I would not trade Rizzo to the Rays for Wade Davis as many people speculate. The Padres have several young pitchers who I think will be better than Davis and will be paid far less sitting at AA and soon to be AAA. The Rays make sense if MIF help is involved. I do like the Rizzo for Lee scenario.

      • faceforest 4 years ago

        They won’t move Lee, Beckham, maybe. I don’t see him getting a call up anytime soon with the Rays, especially with Elliot Johnson around. The top 10 prospects thing, eh, Rizzo is good, but not that good. Especially if you’re looking at Rays prospects. Davis and Niemann or Cobb or Beckham or Canzler and a pitcher.

        • Pads farm is far better than the rays! what exactly do you mean especially looking at Rays prospects?

      • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

        You are completely overvaluing Rizzo. He absolutely should be regarded as a top prospect, maybe even a top 10 guy (debatable) but to say he’s worth two of a teams top 10 prospects is crazy. Now true, there’s a difference between the Rays #2 and #10 prospect vs the Marlins #2 or #10 but why in the world would the Cubs downgrade like that anyway?

        • YODA777 4 years ago

          Rizzo is the top rated first baseman prospect in MLB.  He is rated ahead of Alonzo.  The reason the Padres like Alonzo is because of how Alonzo’s swing fits better in Petco Park.  IMO, Lee from Tampa is not enough for Rizzo. 

    • johnnycomelately9 4 years ago

      Cubs were rumored to offer Garza and Marmol.

      • padresfuture 4 years ago

        They did not offer Garza and Marmol for just Rizzo.

      • Ohhhplease 4 years ago

        Cite any credible source…..no way you give up a closer and a #2/3 arm for a prospect……

    • MikhelB 4 years ago

      Rizzo has never been THAT good, he wasn’t good enouth to promote him to AAA when in the bosox organization, BUT Hoyer had to hype Rizzo as the NEXT BEST thing, an Adrián in the making he said when Rizzo began hitting at AAA. But he is awful trying to hit offspeed pitches, and at AAA he is mostly facing fastballs.

      • Beersy 4 years ago

        Rizzo didn’t make it to AAA while in Bostons system because he was coming back from a bout with cancer and they didn’t want to rush him.  The kid is 22 and would be a senior in college or just drafted if he gone the school route and is really only 21 in terms of baseball playing with the year he had to take off.

  14. walnutfalcons 4 years ago

    Strange rumor.  What would the Cubs have that the Rays wanted bad enough to give away something that they really need (young, high-upside 1B)?

  15. Would the Cubs trade Cashner for Rizzo?

    • johnnycomelately9 4 years ago

      yes but doubt the pads would or should

  16. Stoibs 4 years ago

    I think Rizzo for McNutt would benefit both teams. I don’t see the Rays flipping him if they do acquire Rizzo. Makes no sense since they need a 1b. This would be a big get for the cubs, hoyer and epstein. Add onto that any return they would receive from a Garza trade and this team can become competitive quick.  

    • Eric Foster 4 years ago

      McNutt is the only pitching prospect in the system with any upside that’s close to ready. The Cubs have zero pitching in their system, above AA.  Even if Samardzjia and Cashner both start, neither is a lock to succeed or stay healthy. 
      The Padres have 2 first basemen, and there’s no secret Rizzo is expendable. 
      Cubs need to exploit that, and offer up a package heavy with position players with upside. 

      In addition to Vitters, Dolis and Hayden Simpson….I MIGHT include one of Reggie Golden or Junior Lake. 
      But, Ben Wells and Trey McNutt should be off the table.

      • Stoibs 4 years ago

        That’s a lot of guys to give up for one prospect. Epstein is trying to increase the depth at the minor league level. One for one sounds better to me. 

        • Eric Foster 4 years ago

          Understood. I’d like to hope with Theo and Jed moving forward with a new scouting approach, some of these kids are going to be blocked. A quantity heavy offer of high upside guys, rather than Jackson/McNutt/Szczur. 
          Someone like Vitters still has raw talent, but could use a change of scenery. 

    • briankoke 4 years ago

      I think that sounds terrible for the Padres.  Why would they trade their best prospect from one of the best farm systems in baseball for a teams 4th best prospect in a not so great farm system?

      The Padres have several top pitching prospects.  That trade sounds horrible. 

      • Stoibs 4 years ago

        McNutt was the the 48th best prospect in baseball just a year ago. Seems like a pretty reasonable trade to me. It doesn’t matter how many good arms they have in the minors, you always need more. 

        • YODA777 4 years ago

          The Padres do not need more arms right now.  I follow the Padre system very closely,  we have an entire starting rotation and bullpen within 3 years of making the Major League roster. Moreover, the current Padre Major League rotation are all under 30 years old.     What the Padres really need is an elite shortstop prospect or an elite outfield prospect.  The Padres do not need to trade Rizzo until they can get either of the two above.  And please,  keep Jackson, he would not even break into the Padre top 5 prospects.  The Padres may have ten players in Baseball America’s 2012 top 100 prospects. 

          • padresfuture 4 years ago

            I generally agree with your assessment that the Padres need high end talent at corner outfield and SS. I would only trade for other positions if elite talent was offered. If the Padres were offered Shelby Miller for something the Cards wanted, I would not turn around and demand a SS from the Cards. I could see an entire pitching staff ready in 1-2 years and an additional wave of pitchers a 1-2 years after that. I expect Stauffer and Richard to be traded by this time next year. Although, you could argue for a short term extension for Stauffer if stays healthy this year.

      • walnutfalcons 4 years ago

        “not so great” is a very kind way to describe the Cubs’ system.

        • Eric Foster 4 years ago

          Only regarding the AA and AAA clubs. The Cubs just had a fantastic draft. Their farm system will vastly improve in 2012.
          There are lots toolsy kids who project to be solid everyday players. (Jackson/Szczur/Candelario)

          And a few potential stars in the making in this years draft in Vogelbach/Baez/Maples.

          Not to mention, an absolute surplus in high impact bullpen arms. The Cubs system isn’t top 10, but it is extremely under-rated.

          • if by “under-rated” you mean rated-under all the other teams, then yes i’d agree with that assessment. 

          • Eric Foster 4 years ago

            Aww, you sure tried.

          • dude, you’re trying to sell the cubs farm system on having “an absolute surplus in high impact BULLPEN arms” has to be the funniest thing i’ve read all week. please, please tell me whose farm system you can rank the cubs ahead of w/o a doubt.

          • leachim2 4 years ago

            Brewers, dodgers, white sox, and Indians definetely.

          • exactly..if you can only name 4 minor league systems that are definitely worse than the cubs, there is absolutely no way they can be under-rated, rather they are rated about right. 

          • Eric Foster 4 years ago

            There’s something funny about a homegrown, lights out bullpen?
            We must have a different sense of humor. That is a huge asset for any organization.

          • padresfuture 4 years ago

            The Padres have far more solid bullpen pieces on their AA club alone. The cubs system is in serious need of restocking.

      • Stoibs 4 years ago

        Also Alonzo and Kelly might just be ranked ahead of Rizzo. That doesn’t diminish his abilities, just pointing it out. 

        • briankoke 4 years ago

          Kelly isn’t new. He’s already been ranked behind Rizzo. I don’t think Alonso ranks higher either. The only reason he’s higher on the depth chart is because he’s more major league ready.

  17. Kevin Rowley 13' 4 years ago

    Phils should trade Freddy Galvis to the Padres. Get something decent in return now that they have Tyler Greene and Mitchell Walding in the minors on their way and J-Roll signed for four years. Anyone agree? What do you think?

  18. Middle infield prospect … was Everth Cabrera THAT bad that he couldn’t hold the spot? I mean we are talking the Padres. I realize he couldn’t hit his way out of a paper bag, but once again, Padres. Let’s be realistic that Padres, A’s, Astros, etc. serve as feeders for the rest of the league. The fanbases, as they are, are fed constant streams of BS optimism involving new stadiums, new GM’s, whatever. The amount of media attention that Bill Center gives the Padres is about 50% more than what they deserve.  

    • padresfuture 4 years ago

      Pretty sure it is Bill Centers job to give the Padres media attention since he writes for the local paper. The Padres are setting themselves up to dominate the NL west for several years.

      • YODA777 4 years ago

        Sign Chase Headley to a long term contract and pair Rizzo/Gyroko together and get an elite outfield prospect and an elite shortstop prospect.  It may have to be a 3 team trade to get both of those pieces, but it is fair.  Rizzo is rated the top first base prospect in baseball, while Gyroko is the number 7 or 8 best third base prospect in MLB. 

        • padresfuture 4 years ago

          I think age is the only thing keeping Gyorko from being considered an elite prospect.

  19. I wouldn’t trade Rizzo for less than Hak Ju Lee from Tampa or Mike Olt or Martin Perez from the Rangers. Just because he’s surplus that doesn’t mean you have to sell low. Try to make him a left fielder in AAA and let him continue to mash the PCL into a bloody pulp. If he can handle the OF his trade value would sky rocket. Worst case; San Diego would be looking at an Alonso, Grandal, Rizzo, Gyorko core heading into 2013. Now that’s something you can look forward too. 

    • YODA777 4 years ago

      Good point James, and you could probably flip Headley for another elite outfielder.  I just dont think Rizzo for Lee is fair value though.  That would be one solid “inexpensive” core.  In addition, the rotation and bullpen is also full of pretty good “inexpensive” pieces.  The Padres could afford to go out and sign some decent bench pieces. 

    • Beersy 4 years ago

      I actually asked Bill Center about Rizzo playing LF.  I think he looks athletic enough to play left, if Blanks can play out there.  Center didn’t agree, but I like the thought.  Byrnes needs to get back a SS or 5 tool centerfielder, who the Padres can move to RF if they move Rizzo IMO.

  20. raygunpunx 4 years ago

    I thought Rizzo was the second coming. What happened? Boston fans jumped down my throat when I said he would be no better then David Murphy. First the great Casey and now Rizzo. Can’t wait for Middlebrooks to get traded

  21. kentandrewlang67 4 years ago

    Blanks and Rizzo can’t hit curve balls.  That’s kind of a problem isn’t it?

  22. justme 4 years ago

    ok maybe they not deaf to the idea but the amount of prospects plus it would take might be the highest ever for one player…the cubs love this kid and he is the face on there franchise right now

  23. BeisbolJunkie 4 years ago

    I’m thinking that TB isn’t involved in this at all. I say it is Rizzo to the Cubs for Junior Lake.

    • Padres can’t afford to take on risks anymore; Junior Lake seems to be under a lot of fire for uncertainty with true value.

    • Eric Foster 4 years ago

      As a Cubs fan, I pull the trigger on that.
      Junior Lake has a ton of upside. He’s a shortstop that hits for power, steals bases, and has an absolute cannon of an arm.
      Even if he fails as a position player, enough teams have contacted the Cubs in trade proposals with hopes of turning the guy into a pitcher.

      Padres fans could reference his absolute inability to work the count and take a walk. His AFL numbers had been great, but that’s a very hitter friendly league. 
      I wouldn’t want to give him up, but he’s not in the TheoJed mold, and I’d be willing to pay that price.

      • Beersy 4 years ago

        If Junior Lake is all Byrnes gets in return for Rizzo, then even Moorad would have to fire him.  Baseball America has Lake at #8 in the Cubs system, which is quite weak no matter how you would like to spin it, and Rizzo is #1 in the Padres which may be the deepest in all of baseball.  Of course you would make that deal as a Cub fan.  As a Padre fan I’ll take Moore and Lee from the Rays for Rizzo, Blanks and Stauffer as well.  I guess we can all dream.

  24. mahrelo 4 years ago

    If the Hanley Ramirez experiment in Miami does not work, how about Headley, Bartlett and Rizzo to Marlins with Marlins throwing in cash or prospects?

    • Philip Marlowe 4 years ago

      What happens to Hanley then? And do the Cubs end up with Gaby or LoMo as a result?

      • mahrelo 4 years ago

        Hanley stays in SD and remains at SS. Trade could be expanded and move Gaby to Cubs and SD gets Garza in return. Though this seems like a lot of payroll for SD to take on. 

  25. Sd_brain 4 years ago

    three way trade-Blue Jays get Garza, Cubs get jays prospects + rizzo from pads, Pads get someone like Gose from the jays. Or i’m sure there’s someone the Padres want from the jays as they were finalist for Latos.

    • Beersy 4 years ago

      I guess it would all come down to who AA would be willing to deal.  They would need more than just Gose for Rizzo, which is what it would come down to in your scenerio.  I really think a 3-way deal is the only way the Padres get good return for Rizzo.

  26. djmac 4 years ago

    Video of Rizzo shows he has a really, really long swing.  If that doesn’t change, he’s headed for a huge number of strikeouts as demonstrated in his short debut with SD last year.  Be careful what you wish for.

  27. That’s why I wanted PeterBourjos so 

  28. Padres were never “known to be targeting” Quentin. They were RUMORED to be looking at him, but in reality never even spoke with White Sox.

    Center is right on the money with Maybin’s potential contract. Think Jose Tabata’s new contract as a model. 6 years and $15-20 million with option years.

    Randy Smith and others in Padres organization have publicly talked about Rizzo possibly landing in the OF if Alonso wins the 1B job. Do not make the mistake of handing Alonso the job prior to spring training. A cup of coffee in Great American bandbox does not make you a successful hitter in the ML let alone Petco.

    Rizzo is younger, a better fielder at 1B and a better hitting prospect at this point. Don’t count out the chance that Alonso is the one traded.

    I would agree with Center on the Padres still looking for an inning eating starting pitcher, but I would guess its not coming through free agency and if it does definitely not Maholm or Garland.

    Unless the Padres can move Bartlett or Hudson, they will not be going after a middle infielder, regardless of need at this point. Many pundits like Center and fans have written off Cabrera as a ML player. Be assured that Padres brass and other teams FO & scouts have not.

  29. Ohhhplease 4 years ago

    This is a completion of the trade to the Pirates….cash or a PTBNL.  Hence, they are choosing cash.  Also, it’s Ludwick.

  30. CaseyBlakeDeWitt 4 years ago

    Feel free to ignore any comment made by Nelson. Nothing he says makes any sort of sense.

  31. Teemberland 4 years ago

    At least you’ll have more option by then. What if Alonzo sucked? 

  32. johnnycomelately9 4 years ago

    Montero spent extra time in AAA.  It can be great for Rizzo’s confidence and value to let him spend the entire year in AAA and hit 340 with 45 homers.

  33. cyberboo 4 years ago

    I was thinking the same thing.  If the Rays give up talent for Rizzo, why would they flip him to the Cubs, since the Cubs don’t have anyone that interests Tampa Bay.  I don’t see the Cubs trading Jackson, Castro, etc to justify the trade.  Tampa wouldn’t want Garza, Soriano, Dempster, Zambrano, Soto, Marmol, Byrd, etc, and the last thing they need is more prospects.

  34. Blanks is the one who should be getting offered up. Trade him while he’s still walking and moving around successfully, next week he won’t be. Would have been cool if he could be the next Winfield but I don’t see it.

  35. Still got Guzman. But I agree, put Rizzo in AAA unless a great deal comes along. 

  36. MikhelB 4 years ago

    Ooh don’t worry about that, if he doesn’t suck then the Padres will find a way to destroy whatever good they could have. They’ve done it every year but we still go to the games LOL

  37. padresfuture 4 years ago

    I think the Padres would not be getting fair value at this point for Blanks. Selling low not a good idea.

  38. redsx968 4 years ago

    Agreed. That said it’d be good to see Rizzo get out of PETCO

  39. He is the top rated 1B prospect in baseball. Are you hitting on the crack pipe again?

  40. padresfuture 4 years ago

    They are going through a change of ownership and have spent quite a bit of money on building the farm system. They are building the right way.

  41. padresfuture 4 years ago

    They are going through a change of ownership and have spent quite a bit of money on building the farm system. They are building the right way.

  42. ” If the Rays give up talent for Rizzo, why would they flip him to the Cubs”

    They wouldn’t. I don’t think Center though that one through.

  43. Pads should stick Blanks out in RF if they have any throught about Guz in LF.

  44. YODA777 4 years ago

    Bill Center is definately not out in front of anything in baseball.  Its amazing that people actually listen to him lol. 

  45. Beersy 4 years ago

    I sure wouldn’t want to be Maybin if those 2 are in the outfiled with me.

  46. It’s not ideal, but what is in Petco park? People forget how good Blanks has looked in the outfield, and not just for a big man. His defense has been above average in left. Bottom line, he needs to play everyday. 

  47. Beersy 4 years ago

    Two, maybe three, centerfield caliber defenders is ideal in Petco.  I really think that the Padres should model themselves after the ’85 Cardinals.  Speed, decent averages and defense everywhere on the diamond.  What they would lack in power would be made up by the extra pressure put on defenses with the speed.

  48. Speaking of PETCO as a Padre fan I’m interested to see what kind of numbers Adrian puts up in Fenway this year now that he’s a year removed from shoulder surgery. Having the off season to be able to hit and workout as opposed to rehab I’m expecting a nice spike in power numbers. 

  49. Mario Saavedra 4 years ago

    A spike in power numbers would probably mean a downgrade in contact numbers.

  50. Building team to meet such a limited criteria in Petco park is a horrible idea! 

  51. Building team to meet such a limited criteria in Petco park is a horrible idea! 

  52. Beersy 4 years ago

    Speed plays everywhere, power obviously doesn’t, as any Padre fan would know. Why not give it a try. Bringing in aging sluggers who can’t get it through their heads that Petco eats up would be homerun balls doesn’t seem to working either. Until the Padres actually go all in on what could make Petco an advantage, (speed, defense and pitching) we won’t know if this is a horrible idea or not. Other than your old favorite, “bring in the fences”, how would you suggest the Padres go about building their team?

  53. What did our speed that was what, one of the best in the NL if not baseball do for us last year? Tops in SB, but dead last in offensive production overall. 

    You also cannot compare the Cardinals style of baseball in Petco. The Cardinals used the turf to slap the ball into the ground beating out base hits. Petco has a slow infield grass. It’s very different. Cardinals also had at least a one thumper like J Clark in their lineup also. 

    Simple, a balanced team. A team that is most balanced has the best chance of winning baseball in any venue. 

    Suiting a team to fit a park is a terrible idea and its also a rip off to fans. I was one who wanted to see more speedy, more athletic guys, but to stack the lineup 1-8 with all speedsters is extremely unrealistic.

    Find a balance. Some power, defense, pitching, speed, all of the above. Problem with that? Hard to find specific players who will thrive in Petco. Modify The Fences, that eliminates so many of those questions. 

  54. C’mon man. you act as if that’s all I write or post about. Or I am the only one. It’s hard not to talk about it when its mentioned by every analyst worth listening to when bringing in any offensive player or pitcher. The FO is currently discussing a possible modification. Hoyer was dead against it, we’ll see where Byrnes stands.

    The parks you list are extreme in the other direction, but I’d argue since Petco is SO extreme it’s not quite a fair comparison. The psychological effect on players in swept under the rug.

    There’s a reason UFC and Football are so popular, and it’s not ONLY about W/L. Entertainment value. I love all of the things you have said, pitching, speed, small ball, defensive minded players. But again, back to my original point, the best teams in baseball, those who usually win it all, are balanced teams!

    Wins and losses are obviously the MOST important thing, but watching a diluted brand of baseball to do so is a rip off and joke to the majority of fans. 

    What’s wrong with a neutral park? This seems to never be answered. Is it because it makes TOO much sense? If there was a modification to one particular part of the field, there would be 100% emphasis on the product, not the park. It’s impossible to deny looking at specific players now because of that. Think about it with an objective point of view. 

    By the way, I was one of the first people who came out and said he need to get better defensively and get MORE speedy players when the FO was saying they would not make an IMMEDIATE change.

  55. Not a disadvantage. If the park is neutral no one can be at a disadvantage! Pitchers like Ross, Sampson and others have potential to pitch anywhere. The problem? Petco hinders offensive production MORE than it benefits the pitching! If you read any article from any authoritative source about a significant pitcher or position player, what is the first thing that comes up? Yes, how that pitcher will benefit, or how that hitter will be hindered. Its not just me. Not by a long shot. Talk to New York fans about Citi Field. I have done extensive research on this particular subject to clear up some misconceptions. Which by the way still are spun into weak non-arguments. “All I know is that guys like Alonso, Gyorko and Spangenberg should not only excel at Petco, but on the road as well”That’s total speculation. And the last time you made such a claim, those other players you listed had dramatic splits also. Maybin comes to mind. There’s ZERO evidence that they will excel in Petco. Petco HINDERS ALL offensive production. So, statistically speaking that would suggest otherwise. Thee is 8 years of data to go by. Not exactly a small sample. “Have good new year and lets hope we don’t have to go back and forth about this all year again.”I hate to break it to you, but its not just fanatical fans like me who have done countless hours researching these stats, but also the casual fans that loath the way Petco plays. Until there is a modification, this subject will always be a front burner topic starter because of the enormous impact that is has on the type of play in the park.Having said that, I wish you and your family a happy and safe 2012 and look forward to watching and talking Padres baseball. Go Padres!

  56. Beersy 3 years ago

    No matter how long you responses are they always end with “modify the fences”. I hope Byrnes is as against moving the fences as Hoyer was, that way you will have something to write about for the next 20 years. J Obviously you can’t have a speedster at 1st, or catcher for that matter, but the speed would also add to the defence that is needed at Petco. And for the record teams suit their teams for their ball park all the time, but when the Yankees, Redsox, Rangers and Reds do it, it is a great idea because of their small parks, the homeruns make it exciting. Boring 2-1 wins are still wins.

  57. Beersy 3 years ago

    A neutral park definitely wouldn’t help out Kelly, Erlin, Weiland, Sampson and Ross who the Padres are trying to build around. It also wouldn’t help Stauffer, Richard and Moseley either. Like I said last year about this time to you and you brother, this is one issue we will never agree on. And this may not be the only subject you bring up when posting about the Padres, but you have to admit that you do bring it up a lot. You even had a huge article on The Friarhood about this subject last year. All I know is that guys like Alonso, Gyorko and Spangenberg should not only excel at Petco, but on the road as well. Those are the types of hitters the Padres should be and are going after now. As long as Petcos’ dimensions remain the same it will always be a pitchers haven and if they get enough guys like I mentioned and throw in a couple of speedy outfielders to cover the gaps, the Padres will be just fine. Have good new year and lets hope we don’t have to go back and forth about this all year again.

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