Orioles Notes: Jones, Hardy, Fielder, Saunders

Orioles executive VP of baseball operations Dan Duquette recently told Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com that he's not sure if this year's everyday second baseman is currently on the team's roster. The Orioles are also looking for starters and outfielders while considering trades. Here's the latest… 

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  1. Guest 4 years ago

    I hope the Braves are smart about these Jones talks, because it seems like they should just back off based on the O’s asking price.

    • Guest 4 years ago

      if the proposed deal is jurrjens and prado, the orioles should do it….eventually jones is going to want to go win somewhere and baltimore ain’t it…i think its fair for both except the orioles seem to think they have willie mays and i know jones plays center but you get the idea

  2. I still wonder why Hardy decided to sign with the O’s. 

    • vtadave 4 years ago

      I can think of 22.5 million reasons.

      • He probably could have got more in the open market though.

        • There is something to be said for stability and despite popular belief MD is a very nice place to live. 

          • He had a 5WAR season. He is a plus defender with pop at SS. He was going to get that stability in the off season.

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            any city is nice to live in with 22.5 million dollars

          • You’ve obviously never spent time in Baltimore.  It’s mix between Cleveland and Mogadishu.

          • Jon Glorioso 4 years ago

            There is more to Baltimore then the inner city homicides featured on the Wire.

          • Guest 4 years ago

            guess he never went to little italy or my favorite, fells point…ignore him as he probably is from jersey or some depressing place like that

          • OhthePossibilities 4 years ago

            You’ve obviously never spent time in Baltimore either.  Unless you were just going down to pick up crack.  If that’s the case, I apologize.

            There’s plenty of beauty in Baltimore.

          • Ignorance at its finest.  Nice.

          • jimrhill 4 years ago

            I’ve lived in Baltimore for 30 years by choice. It’s a great place to live and raise children. And we have jobs, unlike some other cities. I’ve been to Cleveland, but not Mogadishu – have you been there ? Certainly an unusual choice as a comparative region in a baseball blog.

        • Assuming he stayed healthy as he approached that market.  Before signing the contract, he had rarely shown the ability to do that.

      • Guest 4 years ago

        i can think of the expectation of not having to win, therefore no pressure job for 22.5 for two years…i would do that too plus he gets hurt alot……i dont think with his injury history people would give away 4 or 5 year contracts

      • Guest 4 years ago

         list them.

    • roberty 4 years ago

      He is a huge fan of The Wire.  Sheeeeyit.

    • Bombastic_Dave 4 years ago

      It certainly wasn’t to win a championship.

      • Says a blue jays fan hahahah

        • Bombastic_Dave 4 years ago

          We’ll see who gets there first…

          • NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

            Your avatar is real cute, maybe that’s what you guys should resort to if trying to beat the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays continues to not work for you…

    • Matt Bennett 4 years ago

      he was traded.

    • Matt Bennett 4 years ago

      oh my bad. I forgot about the extension.

  3. chico65 4 years ago

    MacPhail for commish?  *shudder*

  4. NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

    Oh, those silly Birds asking for untouchable players

    • OhthePossibilities 4 years ago

      Oh those silly Braves… trying to trade the players no one else wants.

      • NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

        no one else wants?!?! I urge you to click on “Braves Rumors” on the menu to the right, spend a little while reading back until maybe november and rethink that taunt.

        • roguesaw 4 years ago

          Who to say those rumors arent coming out of Atlanta trying to drum up interest for players all these teams “want”, yet haven’t traded for….

          • biffsniff 4 years ago

            Probably the fact that you can read through those articles and see that the source of any rumor is provided, and not all of them are coming out of Atlanta. A fair share has come from Colorado, Baltimore, KC, and people such as Rosenthal, Heyman et al.

          • bravesdude 4 years ago

            One indication would be the post from O’s and Rockies sports writers….duh .

          • Chris Inman 4 years ago

            As bravesdude said, most of the trade rumors regarding ATL players this offseason have come from Colorado and Baltimore beat writers.

      • bravesdude 4 years ago

        “Oh those Braves… trying to trade the players no one else wants.”

        Ummm…..nearly half the ML teams were in at some point on Prado and 8-10 teams on Jurrjens . Your comment holds no value .

        • Jon Glorioso 4 years ago

          The point is Adam Jones isn’t chopped liver, he’s certainly better then Jason Heyward. It wouldn’t be a stretch to get Beachy for him instead of a pitcher(Jurrigens) whose peripherals don’t match his ERA.

          • Chris Inman 4 years ago

            Adam Jones is not better than Jason Heyward. 

          • OhthePossibilities 4 years ago

            You can’t put up the numbers if you’re constantly injured though.

          • bravesdude 4 years ago

            To small of a sample size to label Heyward that way yet .

          • are you drunk? Jones has produced far more than Heyward thus far, other than an SI cover……Heyward has the upside but how many “potential” labels have been lost to by injury prone guys who can’t make contact consistently?

          • bravesdude 4 years ago

            Heywards rookie season is much better than any season that Jones has ever posted . If you want a much larger sample size , look at their minor league numbers and notice the difference in SO’s , BB’s , OBP , and OPS . Big difference in those stats .

          • smt1 4 years ago

            > he’s certainly better then Jason Heyward

            wat? Heyward put up a 5+ WAR year as a 20 year old. Jones has never sniffed that. Not to mention that Jones is four years older and has much less of a peak potential.

    • Can’t hurt to ask.

  5. NickinIthaca 4 years ago

    Can someone please remind me what happened to Brian Roberts. I’m on my iPod and not finding anything in my search… Thanks in advance

    • OrangeCards 4 years ago

      Issues related to the concussions.

    • NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

      he wakes up with a new injury every day. He’s to the O’s what Mike Hampton was to the Braves. Pretty damn good but never healthy.

      • Lookouts400 4 years ago

        No where near Mike Hampton.  He’s trying to recover from two concussions.  Before that, he was very healthy.

        •  he was far from healthy before the concussions …..maybe 3-4 years ago

          • OrangeCards 4 years ago

            Roberts missed much of the 2011 season due to concussion related problems. He missed much of the 2010 because of back problems, and later in the year a concussion. Prior to that, he was a pretty durable player.

  6. LioneeR 4 years ago

    So can we finally stop with the Jones to Atlanta rumors?  They just aren’t a fit.  Orioles and Braves seem to be way off on Jones’ value.

  7. 14 Rocks 4 years ago

    I really hate the trade rumors involving the Braves this winter.  Prado for Seth Smith – yuck!!  Jurrjens, a prospect AND Prado for Adam Jones – double yuck!!

    The Braves need a right handed hitter (who hits well against LHP), can play CF, and has a really good OBP.  Neither Jones nor Smith are that player.  At this point I hope they don’t make any trades and just sign Cody Ross and Ryan Theriot for the bench.

    • bravesdude 4 years ago

      Unfortunatley , we can’t afford to sign both of those players . Hell from what I understand , we can’t even afford one unless it’s a sign and trade . We are suppose to only have around 2-3 million left after all the arb raises .

      • 14 Rocks 4 years ago

        Trade Jurrjens for prospects then.  Use the money saved to sign Ross and Theriot. 

        • bravesdude 4 years ago

          It would probably take trading both Prado and JJ to be able to afford both .

  8. roberty 4 years ago

    It worked with Erik Bedard!

  9. As an Orioles fan good because I do not want an injury prone Jurrgens. Both the braves and O’s do not match up, move on.

    • bravesdude 4 years ago

      It goes both ways . Jurrjens may have gotten injured 2 out of the 5 years he has pitched . But he still has produced and seems to be getting better or at least looked really good last year .

      Jones was suppose to be a star in the making and hasn’t exactly played up to it . His low OBP and somewhat average OPS and overrated D which has ranked fairly low as a CF should value him a lot lower than the O’s FO and fans credit him for .

      So there is both an upside and a downside to both players .

      • Yea thats exactly why it didn’t match up plus they will both be free agents in 2 years.

        • bravesdude 4 years ago

          And thats one reason why most non-O’s fans feel as though JJ for Jones straight up would be a fairly close valued deal . Maybe JJ plus a B level prospect would be a little more of a fair trade .

          • roguesaw 4 years ago

            Says the Braves fan…

          • bravesdude 4 years ago

            And do you really think that Jones would be equal value of a trade for Jurrjens , Prado and a highly coveted pitching prospect ? Cause there is no way in hell you’re gonna get it . The most that I could realistically see the Braves giving up for him would be either one of Jurrjens or Prado with 1 prospect not with the names of Minor , Teheran , Beachy , Delgado , Vizcaino , Hoover or Bethancourt .

          • cacavolante 4 years ago

            who cares what you think fair value is? what sense does it make to trade jones for player(s) with equal service time. its not gonna happen? if you want jones you’re gonna have to give up one of your pitching prospects. we re not gonna make a lateral move.

          • Chris Inman 4 years ago

            I’m not sure what the whole “who cares what you think fair value is?” comment means or what relevance it has to the discussion. The point I think bravesdude was making, which has been verified by rosenthal and ATL beat writers, is that ATL will not trade Jurrjens, Prado, AND a pitching prospect for just Jones. ATL is also reluctant to trade any of the top pitching prospects—maybe they’ll change their minds, and maybe they won’t. Maybe they’d be willing, at some point, to deal Prado and a pitching prospect, but right now they don’t want to do that. Second, I agree that it doesn’t make sense for Balt to make what you describe as a lateral move. Honestly, I just don’t see a deal being made unless a third team gets involved. Both teams want different things I think.

          • cacavolante 4 years ago

            i agree that they want different things. the braves want jones for players that the orioles dont want. and the orioles want players the braves dont want to trade for jones. im just sick of braves fans acting like the o’s are stupid for not jumping all over jurrjens and prado because its fair value. it probably is fair value but its an awful awful deal for the orioles in the situation they’re in. they are either gonna get top prospects for jones or they’ll keep him.

          • bravesdude 4 years ago

            Thank you for reading what my actual point was . At least someone can .

          • bravesdude 4 years ago

            Thats just it . It’s not what I think is fair value . But the Braves FO obviously feels the same way , which they should . You don’t give that kind of a package for someone who strikesout a lot and doesn’t take walks . So he can hit 25 HR’s a year . Big deal . There are several players in the bigs who can hit 20-25 HR’s a year . The Braves right now have 4 position players on their roster who can produce that kind of power . If thats all we were in need of , then he might be that valuable of a guy for the Braves to give the O’s that kind of package . I really don’t understand the logic behind these rumors for the Braves anyways seeing how we really need a good on base guy who has the potential to provide that kind of power . Oh wait … we already have that guy in Prado .

          • cacavolante 4 years ago

            i never wrote that you should give anything for jones. im just stating that jurjjens and prado are pointless to even discuss as the centerpiece of a deal for jones. if he is traded it should be for longer term pieces.

          • cacavolante 4 years ago

            who cares what you think fair value is? what sense does it make to trade jones for player(s) with equal service time. its not gonna happen? if you want jones you’re gonna have to give up one of your pitching prospects. we re not gonna make a lateral move.

          • Jon Glorioso 4 years ago

            Thats ridiculous. Anyone who watches baseball knows Jones would be better in a better lineup. Can we stop under rating him? You guys lucked out on Jurrigens being so good, but no one expects him to sustain it.

          • Chris Inman 4 years ago

            I agree that Jurrjens has outpitched his peripherals, and therefore, ATL has been fortunate, even lucky. But, I do not agree that Jones would be better in a better lineup. He’s a good player, and I would like to have him. But he hasn’t lived up to what Baltimore management hoped. Again, I’d still like to have him. Good player.

          • cacavolante 4 years ago

            these braves fans will point out every statistical flaw in jones’ game, but with jurjjens peripherals its a bunch of rationalizations.

          • bravesdude 4 years ago

            I wouldn’t call Jurrjens production luck just for the simple fact that he has done for more than just one season .

      • Omazing 4 years ago

        At least looked really good the 1st half of last year.

        Jurrjens 2nd Half:
        7 GS  1-3  5.88 ERA  .301 BA  .376 OBP  .571 SLG(9 HRS)  .947 OPS  1.645 WHIP

        • Chris Inman 4 years ago

          Yeah, he had rough 2nd half. That’s primarily because he was hurt/injured most of the 2nd half, and in and out of the rotation. He had a tough 2nd half.

        • bravesdude 4 years ago

          All injury related . I wonder why that wasn’t used in your post ?

          • cacavolante 4 years ago

            why was he pitching if he was so injured?

          • Omazing 4 years ago

            To quote bravesdude “But he still has produced and seems to be getting better or at least looked really good last year .” 
            To me those 7 games in the 2nd half were not anything close to really good. His 1st half was very good. 2nd half pretty much to quote Chuck Barkley “That’s just Turribow just Turribowl.”

          • roguesaw 3 years ago

            Is he hurt this year, or can we finally admit he actually wasnt all that good?

  10. NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

    At this point I’d prefer the Braves to just stay put. Drew Sutton can be the super-utility guy we are looking for and keep the fielding positions the exact same way they were last year with exception of Pastornicky. If it hadn’t been for that Voodoo priestess that cursed us in September then we would have won 95+ games and seeing as how we’re bringing back the same team minus the guys that were causing problems (Lowe, Linebrink, McLouth…etc) we can compete just the same way if not better!! So just say “go pound salt” to all of these GM’s overvaluing their players (Orioles) or stockpiling one position (Rockies) and concentrate on competing with our division that has (in case you haven’t noticed) gotten a heck of a lot stronger!!!

    • biffsniff 4 years ago

      I agree that there is no need for a knee-jerk reaction from Wren considering we are already a playoff caliber team, but Wren would not be doing his job if he just stopped all discussions with other GM’s. You never know, there might be a team willing to overpay for JJ or Prado, and Wren needs to keep an open ear for that.  

    • esasc4 4 years ago

      Wren just stay pat, get luke scott and sign wilson and let it go to the all-star break, then make a move if we are a contender, if not a contender, just take what we can get for prado and JJ and wait for 2013 outfielders.

  11. Red_Line_9 4 years ago

    It’s J.J. Hardy’s opinion that Prince Fielder would help out the Baltimore offense? That’s an earth shattering observation. I’d be curious to know what team Hardy thinks would be destroyed if they signed Fielder.

    • Lookouts400 4 years ago

      Not the Washington offense, Hardy plays for the Orioles.  And if you watched the interview, you would know that the question from the panel of Tom Davis, Phil Wood, Dave Johnson, and Mel Antonen did not provide for an obvious answer.

      • Red_Line_9 4 years ago

        My bad.  For some reason I thought I read Washington. 

  12. 14 Rocks 4 years ago

    A creative scenario could involve getting a 3rd team involved.

    Braves get Adam Jones
    Team X gets Jurrjens
    Orioles get prospects from Team X plus a 2nd tier pitching prospect or two from the Braves.

    The only way this would work though is if the Orioles quit overvaluing Jones.

    • You don’t get it.  The O’s don’t have any obligation to trade Jones.  The way these things work is you ask way too much, and the asking price goes down as the deadline for trading the player gets closer.

      The O’s are in a great position for trades with the new CBA

      • Fifty_Five 4 years ago

        You’re right in that they’re not obligated to. But Jurrjens + Prado is already a clear win for the O’s. Adding in a prospect is just overkill. I guess it’s OK to jack Jones’ price up a little bit for now, but if they walk away in the end turning down Jurrjens and Prado that’s already a big blemish on Duquette’s record to me.

        • OhthePossibilities 4 years ago

          It’s not a clear win at all.  You pay for future performance and between JJ & Prado’s injuries and JJ’s peripherals, there are too many question marks there.

          • Fifty_Five 4 years ago

            I know its a tough pill for O’s fans to swallow but Adam Jones is just not as good as you think he is. Quote whoever you want, there’s no denying the discipline issues. He’s one of the bests on that shoddy team but that doesn’t make him good on another team

             People are saying he’s another Jeff Franceouer but positional adjustments are kind of hard to quantify so I’m not going to call him that bad. But still, career wRC+ of 98 (below league average), low walk rate and a high K rate. Not saying that Prado is more valuable than Jones (again with the positional adjustments) but the argument could be made that he’s a better hitter. And Jurrjens is already better than any pitcher on the O’s staff so you would think Jurrjens + Prado for a league average hitter with ambiguous D would be as clear cut a win as you can get

          • OhthePossibilities 4 years ago

            “…Quote whoever you want”

            I’d like to quote Dave Cameron from his chat today:

            Q:The Orioles seem to put way way to much value in Adam Jones. If the Braves actually offered Jurrjens, Prado and a prospect for him, they were nuts to turn it down, right?

            Cameron: Nope. Jones is a good player with a lot of upside. If the Orioles think UZR is wrong and he was an even an average defensive CF last year, that would make him a +4 win player at age 25. Braves fans who think they’re getting him for a song are the nutty ones here.

          • bravesdude 4 years ago

            Your still missing the point . I don’t think it’s about player value individually . I think it’s more about how much it helps each others teams . If the trade were to happen of Jones for Jurrjens+Prado+prospect (non of the Braves top 4) , you have to think about from both teams sides .

            For the O’s . Jurrjens would  (wether you like it or not) become your best pitcher in your rotation . He may get injured , but when healthy will outshine any of your other starting pitchers . Prado becomes your starting 2nd baseman . If he hits anywhere near his career numbers of .290/.340./440 , then he automatically becomes your 3rd best hitter behind Weiters and Hardy . He and Markakis would put up pretty similar numbers . And then whatever prospect you get may or may not turn out to be something valuable .

            From the Braves perspective , Jones would go into LF and if he put up his career best numbers , he would still have McCann , Uggla , Chipper , Freeman and Heyward (if he bounces back to anything close to his rookie season) who would be putting up better numbers . He would be our 4th , at best , hitter in our lineup and be able to play LF and CF where the O’s would have gotten the best pitcher in their rotation and a guy in Prado than can play 3 positions very well , plus a prospect .

            It would be a horrible trade for the Braves .  

          • I agree with everything said above.

            The other point most Braves fans conveniently ignore is that Prado and JJ don’t really help the O’s.  The O’s need young players with high upside.  Jones has improved every year, and will continue to do so.

            JJ is young, but his upside is limited.  We’d be trading a player we can use on our next winning team for 2 guys we’d just need to trade again.

            That seems awfully silly to me.  I don’t know about you.

          • bravesdude 4 years ago

            Jurrjens becomes the best starting pitcher you have and Prado becomes the starting 2nd baseman with good OBP skills that your GM said that they need .

          • Except neither player helps the O’s on their next playoff team.  Therefore they have value to us as tradable assets.  That’s about it.

          • bravesdude 4 years ago

            In all fairness , Prado has only had 1 injury year out of the 3 (I think) full seasons that he has played . Not fair to label him as injury prone .

      • Jack 4 years ago

        Correct, if the Braves get desperate enough for Offense then they will make the trade, if the don’t the Orioles wont worry about it.

        • bravesdude 4 years ago

          The problem is that Jones really isn’t that much , if at all , of an improvement over Prado .

          • esasc4 4 years ago

            We need to just sign cody and wilson and call it a day till the all-star break.

          • Then don’t do the trade.  That’s fine.

            I’m tired of Braves fan complaining that we won’t trade them Jones on the cheap.  It’s not our job to help you win.  If it doesn’t help the O’s (which it wouldn’t) then why do it?

          • Chris Inman 4 years ago

            I’m a Braves fan, and I honestly don’t care if ATL gets Jones or not. In my opinion, they really don’t need him. 

          • Jack 4 years ago

            Not sure why we would want a 4th OF, a 5th Starter, and a 2nd tier prospect for AJ.

          • bravesdude 4 years ago

            Because Prado would be your starting 2nd baseman (his natural position) . And Jurrjens would be a 5th starter …. if he was playing for the Phillies . But for the O’s , he would be your number one .

          • tntoriole 4 years ago

            Unless Brian Roberts returns…and Robert Andino is just fine for a utility infielder which is all Prado would be…And Jurrgen could be fine, until he is not healthy…like pitching in only 23 games in 2011…so an All Star, AL East, Gold Glove centerfielder who is improving each year for a utility infielder and a questionably healthy starter…uhh..no thanks. 

          • bravesdude 4 years ago

            I think the consensus of most Braves fans is that we REALLY don’t want Jones , especially at the price that the O’s are asking for . He does have more speed and hit’s more HR’s than Prado . But Prado is much better at getting on base and not striking out . Prado’s D in LF was actually pretty good last year also . And we have guys who can hit HR’s , so we don’t need Jones for that . Unless Jones can get on base and not strike out , he’s not an improvement over what we already have in Prado .

          • OrangeCards 4 years ago

            If Jones isn’t an improvement over Prado, why would the Braves trade him for Jones?

          • esasc4 4 years ago

            exactly! we need obp not power. wren needs to sit on his hands until the AS break, then we can deal JJ and or prado to an AL team that is a contender. We should have our sights on the 2013 crop of outfielders.

      • bravesdude 4 years ago

        Neither team has an obligation to trade anybody . Jurrjens name has just came up because of the logjam in the starting rotation . Prado definitely doesn’t have to be traded just for the simple fact that he can play 3rd and 2nd and in a pinch 1st . And we are gonna need someone to play 3rd in those days that Chipper is taking days off .

        • My point is, the O’s said, we don’t want JJ.

          Yet Braves fans keep shoving him down everyone’s throats.  JJ is not a fit in Baltimore, which then leads us to the prospects or young guys like Hanson.  If a deal is to be done (which I don’t think it will) it will focus on them, not JJ.

        • esasc4 4 years ago

          NO jones or smith trade! just get scott or ross and lets ride it out to the break.

    • bravesdude 4 years ago

      Could the 3rd team be the Rockies seeing how we have been linked to them anyways ?

    • biffsniff 4 years ago

      KC gets: Jurrjens
      Colorado gets: Prado
      Atlanta gets: Wil Myers, Blackmon/Wheeler. 

      Maybe have each team also send a mid-low level prospect to either team to even things out. Maybe Atlanta sends some cash.

      • bravesdude 4 years ago

        Atlanta has no cash realy to send . But they would definitely have to send more than just JJ and Prado to each team to acquire either of those prospects .

        • biffsniff 4 years ago

          Dumping Prado and JJ would give them cash. They would save ~10 million if they traded both, so they can send 1-2 million in cash in the deal and still have 8-9 million more than we have now. 

    • esasc4 4 years ago

      NOOO! we dont want jones or smith, we just need someone like luke scott or ross until the all star break and then watch the contenders in the AL come running for our pitchers, hold tight until then and resign wilson.

  13. OhthePossibilities 4 years ago

    Braves fans here need to refer to Dave Cameron in his last Fangraphs chat regarding Jones.

    Stop the insanity.

    • bravesdude 4 years ago

      Why do that and take someone elses word for it when you can just look at stats . Isn’t that how everyone is treating Jurrjens value ? Seems only fair , right ? And if stats are any indication of a players value , then to me it looks like JJ for Jones straight up would be a fair trade . Although , if I were Wren , I would offer either one of JJ or Prado and one prospect not highly coveted by the Braves .

      • OhthePossibilities 4 years ago

        So you think Dave Cameron doesn’t look at stats?

        • bravesdude 4 years ago

          If he did , he would realize and retract his statement .

          • OhthePossibilities 4 years ago

            You are hilarious.  Sure.  One of the guys at FANGRAPHS doesn’t look at stats.


      • OrangeCards 4 years ago

        Why take Dave Cameron’s word? Ummm, because he knows a lot more about the game than anyone here?

        • bravesdude 4 years ago

          Which is all the more to wonder WHAT IN THE HELL he was drinking when he wrote that .

          • OrangeCards 4 years ago

            There’s a little koolaid flowing through Atlanta as well …

  14. The O’s Braves trade rumors really just seem to be screaming “yes” and “no” back and forth right now.

    I think the Orioles know that Jones’ trade value isn’t increasing anytime soon even if it will stay similar for 4 more years or so. They wouldn’t be having this conversation otherwise. Would Jones improve in the Braves’ lineup? Probably so. Does that make him more valuable to Atlanta? Not really. JJ and Hoover or Minor. That’s fair and would really benefit the O’s in the long run.

    • I don’t think I’m doing that either.  We really don’t want JJ.

      The O’s have a ton of leverage, so why take the first mediocre offer that comes your way.  If the O’s trade Jones and it’s not a massive overpay (maybe 4 prospects or 2 top 50 prospects) then I’d be shocked.

      • Chris Inman 4 years ago

        See, I don’t think Balt has a ton of leverage, for the simple fact that ATL doesn’t want Jones bad enough. They’re not desperate to get him. Would they like to have him? Of course. Do they need him? Not really. Maybe ATL will change their minds, but I don’t see it happening. I just don’t see a match right now between Balt and ATL. And I do agree that Balt should get as much for Jones as they can get, if they really want to trade him. And I’m not convinced Balt really wants to trade him.

        • Here’s the thing.  With more wild card teams, more teams will be in the hunt come the trade deadline.  That means that less teams will be selling.  The teams that are selling (O’s, Royals, etc) will have more bidders for their players which will drive the price up.

          This is why you likely won’t see the O’s trade anyone until the trade deadline unless they get blown away.

          Does that make sense?

          • bravesdude 4 years ago

            That extra WC is not guaranteed to happen this year . Try again next year .

          • Either 2012 or 2013.  Both of which Jones is under contract for.

            I’m just fine trying my statements now thanks.

      • esasc4 4 years ago

        We dont want jones! period, over,done, enough. He is not worth prado let alone JJ or any of our rookies. We need to just stand pat until the all star break and get a real Of thats going to hit the market in 2013.

    • esasc4 4 years ago

      We dont need or want jones or smith, just get cody or luke and sign wilson and wait for 2013 when the real outfielders will be available. Stand pat wren.

  15. Jesus Christ…. It’s JURRJENS! Not Jergins. Not Jurrigens. 


  16.  The O’s aren’t trading Jones unless they get an overwhelming return. Plain and simple. Think what you want but he’s a young Gold Glove caliber CF with pop and some speed. He could certainly use some plate discipline but when you’re the most dangerous hitter on a bad team in a lineup playing half it’s games against the AL East, you aren’t going to see as many quality pitches as you would on a good team facing slightly lesser competition.

    We all know the O’s have overvalued their players during Angelos reign and missed out on many deals that could have turned the franchise in another direction……i.e. Calvin Pickering and Sidney Ponson for Randy Johnson, whoever for Miguel Cabrera, etc. At this point, Jones is one of the real true commodities they have while the Braves have some seriously talented blue chippers who COULD be something special. The O’s do have some guys as well in Bundy, Machado as well as Britton and Matusz who have showed promise but just need to get back on track. Not to mention JJ Hardy, Wieters, Markakis and Reynolds who aren’t hateful.

    The bottom line is, until Angelos allows the front office to make a splash and overpay for some talent the way Detroit did a few years ago, they’re going to continue to wallow away in the basement and pick top 5 every year unless they get lucky and discover a Pujols. Detroit did it the right way for a bad team- they overpaid Magglio, Pudge and Percival thus showing agents and players that they’re serious then followed up by acquiring Miguel Cabrera and developing their own guys in Granderson ( later traded obviously ) and Verlander. Now every year they at least have a chance and when you’re going up against the perennial juggernauts in NY and Boston, a dangerous but young Rays club and an emerging Blue Jays franchise, you have to go BIG.

    Here’s a recipe of what COULD at least allow them to put up a fight. First, spend big and sign Fielder- he’s 27 and a born and bred baseball player. His next 8-10 years could make the team wish they had built home plate a little further away from that warehouse. He gives you a legit cleanup hitter and makes everyone in that lineup better. Then go out and make a move for a quality starter. Give up Xavier Avery, Chris Tillman, Givens, Ryan Adams or Jon Schoop. Package up whatever you have to to get a Matt Garza type to stand in front of that rotation then hand the ball to Guthrie until the trade deadline and get what you can for him since you aren’t likely to make the full jump this year. Follow that by signing Oswalt to a one year deal with an option for a second and give a veteran presence in the  middle of the rotation who can at least battle for you rather than signing a Millwood typ who you know will post a 5+ ERA. Close out with Matusz and Arrieta or Britton and hope these guys pan out.

    NOTE- I’m livid they didn’t trade for Carlos Quentin and if they can’t land Fielder, should trade for Kendrys Morales

    Your lineup is
    2b – B. Roberts
    RF- Markakis
    C- Wieters ( see if he can truly be the guy….walks and can hit for average )
    1b- Fielder
    CF- Jones
    SS- Hardy
    3b- Reynolds
    DH- ( should have traded for Carlos Quentin but go out and sign a decent bat….too bad Carlos Pena is the left handed version of Mark Reynolds ) Maybe still trade for Morales and move him up to 3rd in the order in front of Fielder
    LF- Reimold/ Endy Chavez

    Landing a player like Fielder could be teh move that starts the change and with guys like Bundy and Machado in the organization, who could be here sooner than later as the Braves well know with young players developing fast, who knows what could happen?

    wishful thinking huh?

  17. OrangeCards 4 years ago

    Yeah, it’s been years since the O’s have made any trades …

  18. OhthePossibilities 4 years ago

    Your statement is hogwash considering the current GM has been in his position for about three months.

  19. rundmc1981 4 years ago

    If they didn’t overvalue their players then they’d be admitting to stinking…and no franchise is going to do that. One team’s trash is Baltimore’s treasure. 

  20. OrangeCards 4 years ago

    The O’s are trying to acquire young pitching, not trade it away.

  21. 14 Rocks 4 years ago

    Hahahahahahahahaha…..I needed a good laugh.

  22. Guest 4 years ago

    here comes kenny williams again….no wait it’s nelson, nevermind

  23. not_brooks 4 years ago

    Unless they’ve moved from the NL East to the Fulton County school district, why would the Braves want Josh Bell?

    Wait… Scratch that…

    Why would anyone, high school teams included, want Josh Bell?

  24. 14 Rocks 4 years ago

    I can’t figure why his name keeps being brought up in these posts either.  The Braves have plenty of minor league filler players.

  25. I don’t want a slightly better Ty wiggington in prado neither, and last year they traded crap for JJ Hardy so there is your name the last trade.

  26. It goes both ways.  In fact, Braves fans have been WAYYY more ridiculous than O’s fans.

    Yesterday some Braves fans were asking for Machado, Bundy, Schoop etc in the trade.  Come on.

  27. fivebeesforaquarter 4 years ago

    I guess you were at other sites playing internet tough guy last offseason when they acquired JJ Hardy for nothing.

  28. 14 Rocks 4 years ago

    If you are comparing Prado to someone then compare him to Michael Cuddyer.  They are very similar players.  Wigginton is garbage.

  29. smt1 4 years ago

    I don’t want a slightly younger Jeff Francoeur in Adam Jones.

  30. Chris Inman 4 years ago

    I agree with your point about fans being ridiculous. However, if we’re looking at management, Baltimore does have the reputation of overvaluing its own players and asking for too much in return. 

  31. smt1 4 years ago

    While the Orioles fans were talking about people like Teheran for Adam mediocre Jones.

  32. OhthePossibilities 4 years ago

    I don’t know.  If he’s asked if Prince Fielder can help the O’s, and he replies with something that has absolutely nothing to do with the question he was asked, then I would question his intelligence.  I mean, that would be like making a snide comment before knowing all the facts or something…

  33. That’s the thing though.  The O’s don’t NEED to trade any of these players.  They are under contract for a few years, so they are in a position to ask for more than fair value.

    The new CBA especially puts the O’s in a VERY strong position.

  34. We’ve been through this – asking for a lot because we can.

    Also, I don’t think Teheran is that great.  Only 1 plus pitch, curve and change are league average at best.

  35. bravesdude 4 years ago

    The Braves don’t have to trade anyone either .

  36. bravesdude 4 years ago

    He is a top 5 prospect . He has excellent movement on his fastball and curve . His change is about average . He has been pegged by ML experts to be the next Pedro Martinez . So take it for what it’s worth .

  37. jimrhill 4 years ago

    Braves seem to be offering JJ to anyone who will listen. Damaged goods ? Not a good teammate ? Why the strong push to get rid of him ? Is it just a surplus of starters ?

  38. There are also people that aren’t as high on him.

    Listen, he could be great.  He could also be the next flamethrower with no secondary stuff who gets lit up.

  39.  just like many ML “experts” pegged Felix Pie as the next great 5 tool OF…..one name for ya…..Todd Van Poppel

  40. try one year…..they traded David Hernandez for Reynolds and 2 bum minor league relievers for JJ Hardy……it’s the trades they don’t make that kill us……Calvin Pickering and Sidney Ponson for Randy Johnson in his prime……OUCH

  41. OrangeCards 4 years ago

    Your sarcasm detector is a little off.

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