Some Mariners Players Off-Limits In Trades

Rival teams say the Mariners have made many players untouchable in trades, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports. However, a Seattle official tells Rosenthal the team is “wide open” on possible deals.

The list of untouchable players includes Felix Hernandez, Dustin Ackley, Kyle Seager, and prospects Taijuan Walker, Danny Hultzen, James Paxton and Nick Franklin, Rosenthal reports. Some executives question whether Ackley and Seager should be off-limits at this stage in their careers.

Mariners such as Jason Vargas, Kevin Millwood, Brandon League, Miguel Olivo and Brendan Ryan could draw interest this summer. GM Jack Zduriencik will be expected to consider trade offers for some veterans given Seattle's 36-51 record.


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the_show
3 years 21 days ago

They really should consider trading King Felix

3 years 21 days ago

 Why? I still haven’t heard a good reason for this Felix is 26 he is a guy you build around and he want’s to stay in Seattle it would be stupid to trade him.

3 years 21 days ago

LOL they will never understand. I gave up along time ago. They look at the Mariners and think its dumb to have one of the best three pitchers in the game on one of the worst teams. I can understand that.. but what they are missing is we are 2 years out of the playoffs. Its not rocket science.

EightMileCats
3 years 21 days ago

 As unpopular as it is among a lot of the Mariner fans, I tend to agree.  They aren’t going to compete for a year or two and badly need some offense.  They play in a pitcher friendly park and have some serious pitching prospects coming up in Walker and Hultzen. 
With what they could get for Felix, they’d be stocked to compete for the next few years at minimum.

monroe_says
monroe_says
3 years 21 days ago

Can the Great Jack Z be trusted to get a significant haul for King Felix? He already botched the Cliff Lee and Brandon Morrow trades.

3 years 21 days ago

He didn’t botch the Cliff Lee trade.  Justin Smoak was by far the best offer on the table and was considered a significant haul at the time.  Just b/c he hasn’t panned out in the first couple years of his career doesn’t tell us anything.  Not every prospect will pan out and certainly not every one will right away.  It’ll take at least a couple of more years to fairly evaluate that move. 

monroe_says
monroe_says
3 years 21 days ago

Okay, first we’ll set aside the Josh Lueke debacle. Jack Z’s strength is supposed to be his ability to evaluate hitters. He should have been able to see that Smoak has more holes in his swing than a sieve. Smoak’s failure to develop – and he’s already had over 1000 ML at bats – is on Jack, just like it would have counted as a good move by the GM if Smoak had become a star. Dan, it’s admirable that you want to give Smoak more time, but even the Mariners can’t wait forever. The fact is, Jack could have gotten Montero for Lee – so it was hardly “by far the best offer on the table” –  and then he could have traded Pineda for someone else.

dshires4
3 years 21 days ago

That’s such an unfair assessment. There is absolutely no way you can blame Zduriencik for Smoak’s inability to develop. That isn’t on the GM, that’s just how baseball goes. And to say that Smoak had a swing full of holes two years ago might not even be true. At the time, he may have had a completely different swing and approach.

I agree that the Rangers package was superior to that of the Yankees. He made the right call. That’s just how baseball goes. Good prospects don’t pan out, and there isn’t really a solid explanation as to why it happens. Don’t blame Z for history repeating itself.

vtadave
3 years 21 days ago

How else are we supposed to evaluate GMs then?  If a GM signs a guy like Jason Schmidt and he subsquently breaks down, then we’re supposed to say “well, he couldn’t have seen that coming, I give him a pass”?

dshires4
3 years 21 days ago

Jason Schmidt was a proven commodity at the time he was signed. Nobody defended that contract. Smoak was a prospect, and all prospects have either a growing period, or they simply don’t pan out. That’s comparing apples to watermelons. Don’t try that.

3 years 21 days ago

That’s it Dude ! The Seahawks have, “Win Forever” and the Mariners have, “Wait Forever” !

3 years 21 days ago

He botched it dude. Texas (a team that knows hitters) would not of let him go if he didn’t suck. like he does. They played us straight up. 

LALSEADEN
3 years 21 days ago

i disagree on the lee trade, he did everything short of botching it. He put the yanks offer public and the rangers then knew how to top, we turned Lee, who was bolting like a bat outta hell anyway that offseason, into Jaso, Beaven who is a potential back of the rotation starter and smoak. And since the yanks only offered montero and garbage, i think he made the absolute perfect call. And morrow did show signs and i wish we still had him, but Bavisi and Wakamatsu were hellbent on giving us a clouded picture of his ability. Bullpen, starter, then closer and one more try at starter. No wonder he was inconsistent, and because of that we traded him for League who at the time, was better. I hope smoak pans out and have zero issues with Z’s roster construction save Olivo and Figgins to this point.

monroe_says
monroe_says
3 years 21 days ago

Regarding the Morrow trade: agreed that the Bavasi regime failed on his development. Nonetheless, there is no excuse for trading a young power starter with upside for a reliever. At the very least, Morrow becomes League. Meanwhile, on the topic of League, Jack Z should have traded him when he was at his peak. Just like he should have traded Aardsma. The M’s have no use for a closer, that’s for sure, but the prospects they would have ylelded would have been nice. 

mwagner26
3 years 21 days ago

 Brandon League has been good for us.  Brandon Morrow has been good for the Blue Jays.  Fair trade methinks. 

monroe_says
monroe_says
3 years 21 days ago

Morrow had accumulated an 8.7 WAR for Toronto. Over the same 2 1/2  seasons, League had accumulated 2.0 WAR for Seattle and sucks so much he lost his job as the closer. The value of a mediocre reliever and a middle rotation starter isn’t even close.

The_Unnatural
3 years 21 days ago

Yeah, because Morrow would have put the M’s over the top… WAR is bogus, and retaining Morrow only would only have put us in a slightly worse draft position.

3 years 21 days ago

Ahh i get it now. Fantasy league guy. The real games alot different.

xthetouristx
3 years 21 days ago

Except WAR has nothing to do with fantasy league?

Joe
3 years 21 days ago

Why Keep Felix when you have Walker and Hultzen waiting in the wings.  Make some kind of blockbuster like Upton for Felix and try to turn this offense around.

mwagner26
3 years 21 days ago

 Because both Walker and Hultzen are not Felix Hernandez.  Sure, they’re great prospects, but they’ll never be as good as Felix.  Trading him only makes sense for me if you get legitimate, top of the the line prospects (four or more).

Tyrell Osborne
3 years 21 days ago

 Walker was actually compared to Bob Gibson and Dwight Gooden, i love the King, but Walker looks just amazing.

3 years 21 days ago

No we shouldn’t.

Colin G
3 years 21 days ago

They are never going to get anywhere if they don’t give up something that has value.  Nobody wants those bottom 5.  Trade Felix for a boat load of talent or a Superstar (Justin Upton).

cdlewey
3 years 21 days ago

Trade him for a guy with shoulder issues who has hit .250 when not playing in one of the most hitter friendly parks in the country? No thanks.

vtadave
3 years 21 days ago

Speaking of shoulder issues, Felix Hernandez’s velocity decline:

2010: 94.1
2011: 93.3
2012: 91.6

3 years 21 days ago

 If you have watched Felix enough you would realize that he isn’t the type of pitcher that likes to blow fastballs by pitchers. His dominance comes from his breaking pitches and having a good arsenal of breaking pitches leads to a longer mlb career

Robert_Risteen
3 years 21 days ago

Ur point, Felix is still dominating hitters.

The_Unnatural
3 years 21 days ago

 He’s striking out more hitter than ever.

cdlewey
3 years 21 days ago

K/9
2010: 8.4
2011: 8.6
2012: 9.3

Felix’s strong suit was never his fastball’s speed, it was his movement. You don’t need to throw a 99 mph fastball if you can throw a 94 mph one with as much break as Felix’s

jondogg2010
3 years 21 days ago

The funny thing is that NONE of the listed available players are worth anything more than salary relief.

3 years 21 days ago

 Who said they were worth anything more then that?

Guest
3 years 21 days ago

To Boston:
SP Felix Hernandez

To Seattle:
SP Josh Beckett
SP Daisuke Matzuzaka

Or…. If Boston doesn’t include Scott Posednik:

To Seattle:

SP Barry Zito
RP Brad Penny
IF Manuel Burris

To San Francisco:
SP Felix Hernandez

jondogg2010
3 years 21 days ago

As a Die Hard Red Sox fan, I’d take this in a heart beat. I’d even include Ciriaco and Nava! Would love to see Nava get a chance to play every day.

3 years 21 days ago

this is an obivious homer. lol. not even close to enough.

the_show
3 years 21 days ago

Seattle isn’t that stupid..

3 years 21 days ago

 Ok now your being silly Lol might as well make a Giant trade proposal including Zito.

Colin G
3 years 21 days ago

Seriously? Throw in Wakefield and you have a deal. You’d have to give up Lester to even be invited to the party.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 21 days ago

Wait….are you being serious? Please tell me I’m missing the sarcasm..haha.

flash2225
3 years 21 days ago

 That has to be one of the worst trade scenarios i have ever heard.  “IF” and that is a big IF the Mariners were going to trade Felix it would not be for a bad contract and back end starter in Zito, someone that was playing in Japan this year in Penney, and a fringe MLB starter in Burris.  Nor an oft injured, no longer “Ace” thats expensive in Beckett and Matzuzaka who like Beckett can’t stay off the trainer table, and is mediocre at best.

Bad troll is bad.

3 years 21 days ago

He isn’t making real trade scenarios he is joking.

mwagner26
3 years 21 days ago

 I certainly hope so. 

3 years 21 days ago

To Seattle
OF Josh Reddick.. oh wait..
1B Anothny Rizzo.. oh wait..
 

3 years 21 days ago

This is a joke right Felix isn’t a salary dump

more like Middlebrooks+Igaiseis to even start this train rolling for Boston

For San Fran they may demand Bumgarner+Belt+Posey+Brown for Felix at that point it is debatable that it is even worth conisdering

ARod's Ring
3 years 21 days ago

You said Bumgarner and Posey? are you serious? I wouldn’t trade Bumgarner straight up for Felix and you want to add one of the best catchers in the game? plus Belt and Brown? tell me this is a joke.

raffish
3 years 21 days ago

Doubt it’s a joke, but I agree with you that it is too much.

But if you’d rather have Bumgarner than Felix you’re crazy.

3 years 21 days ago

You’re also a fantasy league fan and dont know anything about pitching im going to assume. MadBum is a good pitcher.. but he is no Felx and most likely never will be.

rundmc1981
3 years 21 days ago

Re: SF proposal – This is epically bad. Unloading a terrible contract (Zito) and giving them 2 pitchers preventing them a spot for 1 of their many young arms to shine and you NOT giving them an impact bat. 

ibleedorangeandblack
3 years 21 days ago

as a giants fan, i would freaking love to see felix in the bay area. as a logical human being, there is no way seattle would want zito, penny, and burris for felix. if Z wants those 3, someone needs to inform brian sabean

3 years 21 days ago

are you all guys brainless, this is an obvious unrealistic offer, smh.

3 years 21 days ago

Guys Felix isn’t getting traded i don’t know how many times Z has to say it quit making trade scenarios Felix is committed to Seattle until he gives the indication he isn’t then there is no point in talking trades whatsoever. Also i would love to hear who those executives are that are saying we should trade Ackley in his first full season when we are trying to win with him Lol would be selling low.

jondogg2010
3 years 21 days ago

It’s fun to dream….

YanksFanSince78
3 years 21 days ago

It would be absolutely stupid NOT to trade Felix. Unless this team gets serious about acquiring some offensive might to contend then it’s just stupid to parade him out there for the next 3 seasons w/ no intention in competing. And I say that w/o an ounce of hope that he will come to NY. I don’t even want my team to make that trade just because I know what it will take. 

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
3 years 21 days ago

 I disagree with that.  They DO still have to have someone pitch their games; they DO still need someone on the team the fans will come to see; they DO have plenty of young arms on their staff and STILL need someone to be an anchor.  It sends a message to any elite talent that’s in their system that we DO want you and will KEEP you if it’s at all possible.

King Felix has been the only bright spot on a dismal team.  I think they won’t deal him because they will lose what’s left of their fan base.

They could ship him out for a boatload of talent-and that doesn’t guarantee they still won’t be at the bottom of the standings.  Prospects are wonderful things; some work out, some don’t.  Why give up one of the only good things in your system for the uncertainty?

monroe_says
monroe_says
3 years 21 days ago

So true, M’s fans only have a 20% chance that their ticket is worth what it cost. When The King is not on the mound, the only talent on the field is on the visiting team.

3 years 21 days ago

Seattle would have made it with the Yankees in the offseason if a offer was

Bentaces+Beuenlos+Montero+probably Nova and Robertson.Pretty expensive though

raffish
3 years 21 days ago

And what an uninspiring return that would have been.

xthetouristx
3 years 21 days ago

Pretty sure they’d have wanted more hitting and less pitching and therefore they probably would not have accepted.  Now if Mason Williams and Tyler Austin replaced Banuelos and Betances, I’d say it very well might’ve gotten done.

But I’m glad that trade didn’t come to fruition because then the Mariners would have an injured Pineda and Campos.

3 years 21 days ago

However, a Seattle official tells Rosenthal the team is “wide open” on possible deals. However, we are not trading our top players and prospects
Such a conundrum!

Although, I besmirched Casper Wells last week, though not by name.
However, he is a pretty good player and I am sorry for saying he wasn’t! =P

EightMileCats
3 years 21 days ago

*This was supposed to be reply to D3anski*
Well, its obvious who you support. 

It’d have to be something more along the lines of Felix to Boston for Boegarts, and maybe some of those A/AA prospects (Barnes jumps to mind). plus probably.  They have no use for for Beckett and Daisuke

3 years 21 days ago

What a joke.

the_show
3 years 21 days ago

Agree…I think they would compete sooner if they got value for Felix

davbee
3 years 21 days ago

 They would compete sooner if the kept Felix and signed a couple free agent bats.

Jacob Viets
3 years 21 days ago

What Free Agent is going to want to go play for the last place Mariners in one of the worst offensive parks?

davbee
3 years 21 days ago

The talk is they’re bringing the fences in next year at Safeco.  And actually, it’s already a decent park for lefthanded hitters.  It’s righthanded hitters that struggle with the heavy air coming off the Sound.

ultimate913
3 years 21 days ago

Boom. No one. Atleast no one good enough to make a difference. No one is going to go play in Safeco where not only will their bat not produce as well, but they’ll be playing in the same division as the Angels and Rangers. Both, of which, have one of the best prospects either in the majors(Trout) or very close to it(Profar).

cdlewey
3 years 21 days ago

 Yeah, I’m sure potential free agents will be scared off by a prospect who hasn’t had an at bat past AA

mwagner26
3 years 21 days ago

 Exactly.  I am of the “DO NOT TRADE FELIX” camp, but they need to develop much better bats.  If a team was willing to throw in massive prospects that were near major league ready, I might listen. 

mets322
3 years 21 days ago

i think the mets would be a perfect fit as a trade partner for mariners…def could use league, and even possibly may need millwood with gee now out (unless they call up a kid, which i like more–they seem to be hesitant though).

3 years 21 days ago

Who wants to bet that when Jack gets fired, the first thing the new gm does is trade Felix? It’s like Riccardi’s “I won’t trade Roy so fire me” thing.

3 years 21 days ago

Who want’s to bet that he won’t be the ownership won’t allow it if he does get traded it will be him requesting to be traded.

cdlewey
3 years 21 days ago

 Yeah, let’s fire Jack Z because he hasn’t completely rebuilt the Mariners organization in three years! Never mind that they had no talent to start with. Let’s completely start over with one of the many mediocre possible GM’s on the market.

3 years 21 days ago

 Thank you for bring these guys heads out of the clouds lol. The Ms are ranked in the top 5 for farm systems and GMZ has successfully picked amazing first rounders every single year so far. People need to remember that is was only a few years ago when the Ms were the first 100 Million-100 loss team… it’s going to take awhile to fix the mess but Jack is cleaning it up pretty well

3 years 21 days ago

The point is he doesn’t seem to realize that trading Felix is the best way to make his team better for the future

cdlewey
3 years 21 days ago

 It might be. I’m not one of those fans who think the Mariners should never ever trade Felix. They should only trade him if they can get as much as he is worth to the Mariners. Jack Z knows that. However, since he’s worth much more to the Mariners than other teams, there are only two teams who could make it worth it. And those teams wouldn’t do it

YanksFanSince78
3 years 21 days ago

I’m a little shocked Montero wasn’t on that list.

3 years 21 days ago

Teams probably already know Jack Z’s answer to that although the teams know the answer to the other guy’s but that still doesn’t stop them from trying to ask for them.

3 years 21 days ago

to the yankees
felix hernandez
to seattle
cervelli
banuelos
ibanez

xthetouristx
3 years 21 days ago

or just as crazy but from the other side –

to the Yankees: Felix, Olivo, Figgins
to the Mariners: Sanchez, Cano, Granderson, Mason Williams, Gary Sanchez, Dante Bichette Jr, and Swisher.

mwagner26
3 years 21 days ago

 Only if you throw in Derek Jeter and the ghost of Babe Ruth.

monroe_says
monroe_says
3 years 21 days ago

Here we are into year 4 of the Jack Z rebuild and there is not one single position player on this Mariners team that projects as a significant cog on a playoff contender. The idea that Ackley or Seager are untouchable is as comical as the notion that another GM would think either one would push his team over the top. 

raffish
3 years 21 days ago

what?  are you suggesting that Ackley, Montero, Seager, and Saunders can’t get better?    They’re young guys.  As far as you know, they all project as playoff starting players.  You make a lot of silly claims in this thread.

monroe_says
monroe_says
3 years 21 days ago

When it comes to the trade deadline, I’m working under the assumption that teams that are offering up prospects – which is what the Mariners would be looking for – are trying to improve their team for THIS season. Ackley’s on the verge of going back to the minors. Seager’s turning back into a pumpkin. Saunders is a fourth outfielder for a contender. And Montero, who has been disappointing so far, is hardly ready for primetime. These are not players that are helping anyone in 2012.

raffish
3 years 21 days ago

You didn’t specify for 2012. You simply said they didn’t project has playoff caliber starting players. The Mariners are not looking for more prospects. We have plenty of them. We need players to surround Felix Hernandez now.

harmony55
3 years 21 days ago

Folks underestimate how hard it is to hit in the American League West in general and at Safeco Field in particular.

About half of the current maligned Seattle lineup is made up of top hitting prospects from the past three years: Justin Smoak, Baseball America’s No. 4 midseason prospect in 2009; Michael Saunders, BA’s No. 25 midseason prospect (18th hitter) in 2009; Dustin Ackley, BA’s No. 7 midseason prospect (5th hitter) in 2010; and Jesus Montero, BA’s No. 3 (3), No. 5(4) and No. 8(5) midseason prospect in 2009, 2010 and 2011.

Adrian Beltre, Mike Morse, Bryan LaHair and Shin-Soo Choo blossomed after leaving the AL West and Safeco Field.

Tony Matias
3 years 21 days ago

 Walter, I must admit your persistence in defending against a Felix move is admirable. Bravo. But at the same time… your ardent and, seemingly, inability to look at an upside to potentially trading him for a massive haul is unfortunate.

3 years 21 days ago

We aren’t getting a massive haul for Felix this isn’t the early 2000’s anymore when teams were willing to throw prospects away and also we will need a guy like Felix when we become a contender. Also these prospects are never going to live up to what Felix is most likely.

xthetouristx
3 years 21 days ago

It all depends on what a team is willing to part with.  If the Rangers would part with Profar and two of Olt, Ogando, and Feliz, the Mariners would have to listen.  If the Royals would give up Myers and two of Odorizzi, Starling, and Butler, again the Mariners would have to listen.  Even if the Red Sox offered Lester, Bogaerts, and one of Barnes or Bradley.

There are many different overpay scenarios that would make sense for both sides – though most likely on a team that is willing to sacrifice a good deal of WAR in the future for a shot at the World Series now.

Bob9988
3 years 21 days ago

 Yeah but the overpay would not be three, but all four of the top prospects you mentioned.  Seattle cannot afford to lose this deal so an established ML bat and arm, both cost controlled would have to be part of the group.  So it would be a ML hitter and pitcher, plus your top two best prospects.  There is no team that would do that, especially one that is contending.  No pitcher of Felix’s ability, age and contract has ever been traded before.  So the haul, at least right now, has to be enormous, too enormous for any team to pay right now.

raffish
3 years 21 days ago

How often does someone list a group of top prospects in a trade proposal, only to look back on the offer a year or two later and realize it was a heap of junk?  Felix Hernandez is the nuts.  A couple of AA studs do not equal an ace starting pitcher, especially with the failure rate of prospects.

xthetouristx
3 years 21 days ago

But the AA studs have the potential to put up more WAR in their 6+ years on the team than Felix would put up in under 2.5 years!

raffish
3 years 21 days ago

Key word:  potential.  Lots of players have potential.  Felix delivers the goods, guaranteed.

xthetouristx
3 years 21 days ago

For just under the next 2.5 years if his arm doesn’t fall off!

raffish
3 years 21 days ago

Why would it?  He looks as durable as any pitcher I’ve ever seen.  Not every arm falls off.

And we will resign him.  :)

xthetouristx
3 years 21 days ago

More arms fall off than don’t.  He has a lot of miles on that relatively young arm.  Something could pop any day and then everyone would be like, “Darn it, why didn’t the Mariners trade him?!”

Pitching is volatile.

sparticus112b
3 years 21 days ago

It would make more sense for the Mariners to wait until next summer to trade Felix so they can evaluate whether the young offensive players will pan out at all.  If they don’t they you probably consider it.  Felix will have butt loads of value next summer too.  Why jump the gun, the balls in their own court.

jondogg2010
3 years 21 days ago

IF (key word if bec most seem to lowball) a team made a LEGIT offer to Seattle to acquire the services of King Felix, I’m SURE they would pull the trigger. From what I’ve heard and have read no one has ever even made a real offer. It would most likely take 2 top 50 prospects, 1 major league ready arm, absorbing all of his contract, and maybe even a few high end draft picks.

EDIT- but than again, because I’m neutral, I would (If I’m Jack Z) take a trade that involves getting a few top prospects and ALL of his contract being eaten by the team he’s being traded to. That way the M’s recoup a few prospects, and save his salary.

raffish
3 years 21 days ago

Salary isn’t the concern.  The M’s don’t need to shed payroll, and they absolutely would not have to send money to get a deal done.

mwagner26
3 years 21 days ago

I may be wrong, but teams have made really good offers for Felix, and Jack Z. said no.

bigblue1184
3 years 21 days ago

Felix has stated over and over again that he loves Seattle and wants to win a world championship in SEATTLE. Jack Z has stated over and over again that he is not going anywhere. Now does he listen to trade offers for Felix? Of course he does because that way he knows what teams are willing to give up and that way he could counter. I honestly think that Seattle should and will build around Felix.

Felix
Hutzlen
Walker
Paxton
Noesi, Carraway, Rameriz, etc…….

Now if we could just add some free agent bats that would be good. Well i should say some that could actually hit.