Some Mariners Players Off-Limits In Trades

Rival teams say the Mariners have made many players untouchable in trades, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports. However, a Seattle official tells Rosenthal the team is “wide open” on possible deals.

The list of untouchable players includes Felix Hernandez, Dustin Ackley, Kyle Seager, and prospects Taijuan Walker, Danny Hultzen, James Paxton and Nick Franklin, Rosenthal reports. Some executives question whether Ackley and Seager should be off-limits at this stage in their careers.

Mariners such as Jason Vargas, Kevin Millwood, Brandon League, Miguel Olivo and Brendan Ryan could draw interest this summer. GM Jack Zduriencik will be expected to consider trade offers for some veterans given Seattle's 36-51 record.


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  1. the_show 3 years ago

    They really should consider trading King Felix

    •  Why? I still haven’t heard a good reason for this Felix is 26 he is a guy you build around and he want’s to stay in Seattle it would be stupid to trade him.

      • LOL they will never understand. I gave up along time ago. They look at the Mariners and think its dumb to have one of the best three pitchers in the game on one of the worst teams. I can understand that.. but what they are missing is we are 2 years out of the playoffs. Its not rocket science.

    • EightMileCats 3 years ago

       As unpopular as it is among a lot of the Mariner fans, I tend to agree.  They aren’t going to compete for a year or two and badly need some offense.  They play in a pitcher friendly park and have some serious pitching prospects coming up in Walker and Hultzen. 
      With what they could get for Felix, they’d be stocked to compete for the next few years at minimum.

    • monroe_says 3 years ago

      Can the Great Jack Z be trusted to get a significant haul for King Felix? He already botched the Cliff Lee and Brandon Morrow trades.

      • He didn’t botch the Cliff Lee trade.  Justin Smoak was by far the best offer on the table and was considered a significant haul at the time.  Just b/c he hasn’t panned out in the first couple years of his career doesn’t tell us anything.  Not every prospect will pan out and certainly not every one will right away.  It’ll take at least a couple of more years to fairly evaluate that move. 

        • monroe_says 3 years ago

          Okay, first we’ll set aside the Josh Lueke debacle. Jack Z’s strength is supposed to be his ability to evaluate hitters. He should have been able to see that Smoak has more holes in his swing than a sieve. Smoak’s failure to develop – and he’s already had over 1000 ML at bats – is on Jack, just like it would have counted as a good move by the GM if Smoak had become a star. Dan, it’s admirable that you want to give Smoak more time, but even the Mariners can’t wait forever. The fact is, Jack could have gotten Montero for Lee – so it was hardly “by far the best offer on the table” –  and then he could have traded Pineda for someone else.

          • dshires4 3 years ago

            That’s such an unfair assessment. There is absolutely no way you can blame Zduriencik for Smoak’s inability to develop. That isn’t on the GM, that’s just how baseball goes. And to say that Smoak had a swing full of holes two years ago might not even be true. At the time, he may have had a completely different swing and approach.

            I agree that the Rangers package was superior to that of the Yankees. He made the right call. That’s just how baseball goes. Good prospects don’t pan out, and there isn’t really a solid explanation as to why it happens. Don’t blame Z for history repeating itself.

          • vtadave 3 years ago

            How else are we supposed to evaluate GMs then?  If a GM signs a guy like Jason Schmidt and he subsquently breaks down, then we’re supposed to say “well, he couldn’t have seen that coming, I give him a pass”?

          • dshires4 3 years ago

            Jason Schmidt was a proven commodity at the time he was signed. Nobody defended that contract. Smoak was a prospect, and all prospects have either a growing period, or they simply don’t pan out. That’s comparing apples to watermelons. Don’t try that.

          • That’s it Dude ! The Seahawks have, “Win Forever” and the Mariners have, “Wait Forever” !

        • He botched it dude. Texas (a team that knows hitters) would not of let him go if he didn’t suck. like he does. They played us straight up. 

      • LALSEADEN 3 years ago

        i disagree on the lee trade, he did everything short of botching it. He put the yanks offer public and the rangers then knew how to top, we turned Lee, who was bolting like a bat outta hell anyway that offseason, into Jaso, Beaven who is a potential back of the rotation starter and smoak. And since the yanks only offered montero and garbage, i think he made the absolute perfect call. And morrow did show signs and i wish we still had him, but Bavisi and Wakamatsu were hellbent on giving us a clouded picture of his ability. Bullpen, starter, then closer and one more try at starter. No wonder he was inconsistent, and because of that we traded him for League who at the time, was better. I hope smoak pans out and have zero issues with Z’s roster construction save Olivo and Figgins to this point.

        • monroe_says 3 years ago

          Regarding the Morrow trade: agreed that the Bavasi regime failed on his development. Nonetheless, there is no excuse for trading a young power starter with upside for a reliever. At the very least, Morrow becomes League. Meanwhile, on the topic of League, Jack Z should have traded him when he was at his peak. Just like he should have traded Aardsma. The M’s have no use for a closer, that’s for sure, but the prospects they would have ylelded would have been nice. 

      • mwagner26 3 years ago

         Brandon League has been good for us.  Brandon Morrow has been good for the Blue Jays.  Fair trade methinks. 

        • monroe_says 3 years ago

          Morrow had accumulated an 8.7 WAR for Toronto. Over the same 2 1/2  seasons, League had accumulated 2.0 WAR for Seattle and sucks so much he lost his job as the closer. The value of a mediocre reliever and a middle rotation starter isn’t even close.

          • The_Unnatural 3 years ago

            Yeah, because Morrow would have put the M’s over the top… WAR is bogus, and retaining Morrow only would only have put us in a slightly worse draft position.

          • Ahh i get it now. Fantasy league guy. The real games alot different.

          • xthetouristx 3 years ago

            Except WAR has nothing to do with fantasy league?

  2. Joe 3 years ago

    Why Keep Felix when you have Walker and Hultzen waiting in the wings.  Make some kind of blockbuster like Upton for Felix and try to turn this offense around.

    • mwagner26 3 years ago

       Because both Walker and Hultzen are not Felix Hernandez.  Sure, they’re great prospects, but they’ll never be as good as Felix.  Trading him only makes sense for me if you get legitimate, top of the the line prospects (four or more).

      • Tyrell Osborne 3 years ago

         Walker was actually compared to Bob Gibson and Dwight Gooden, i love the King, but Walker looks just amazing.

  3. No we shouldn’t.

  4. Colin G 3 years ago

    They are never going to get anywhere if they don’t give up something that has value.  Nobody wants those bottom 5.  Trade Felix for a boat load of talent or a Superstar (Justin Upton).

    • cdlewey 3 years ago

      Trade him for a guy with shoulder issues who has hit .250 when not playing in one of the most hitter friendly parks in the country? No thanks.

      • vtadave 3 years ago

        Speaking of shoulder issues, Felix Hernandez’s velocity decline:

        2010: 94.1
        2011: 93.3
        2012: 91.6

        •  If you have watched Felix enough you would realize that he isn’t the type of pitcher that likes to blow fastballs by pitchers. His dominance comes from his breaking pitches and having a good arsenal of breaking pitches leads to a longer mlb career

        • Thekid19444 3 years ago

          Ur point, Felix is still dominating hitters.

          • The_Unnatural 3 years ago

             He’s striking out more hitter than ever.

        • cdlewey 3 years ago

          K/9
          2010: 8.4
          2011: 8.6
          2012: 9.3

          Felix’s strong suit was never his fastball’s speed, it was his movement. You don’t need to throw a 99 mph fastball if you can throw a 94 mph one with as much break as Felix’s

  5. jondogg2010 3 years ago

    The funny thing is that NONE of the listed available players are worth anything more than salary relief.

  6. Guest 3 years ago

    To Boston:
    SP Felix Hernandez

    To Seattle:
    SP Josh Beckett
    SP Daisuke Matzuzaka

    Or…. If Boston doesn’t include Scott Posednik:

    To Seattle:

    SP Barry Zito
    RP Brad Penny
    IF Manuel Burris

    To San Francisco:
    SP Felix Hernandez

    • jondogg2010 3 years ago

      As a Die Hard Red Sox fan, I’d take this in a heart beat. I’d even include Ciriaco and Nava! Would love to see Nava get a chance to play every day.

    • the_show 3 years ago

      Seattle isn’t that stupid..

    •  Ok now your being silly Lol might as well make a Giant trade proposal including Zito.

    • Colin G 3 years ago

      Seriously? Throw in Wakefield and you have a deal. You’d have to give up Lester to even be invited to the party.

    • YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

      Wait….are you being serious? Please tell me I’m missing the sarcasm..haha.

    • flash2225 3 years ago

       That has to be one of the worst trade scenarios i have ever heard.  “IF” and that is a big IF the Mariners were going to trade Felix it would not be for a bad contract and back end starter in Zito, someone that was playing in Japan this year in Penney, and a fringe MLB starter in Burris.  Nor an oft injured, no longer “Ace” thats expensive in Beckett and Matzuzaka who like Beckett can’t stay off the trainer table, and is mediocre at best.

      Bad troll is bad.

    • To Seattle
      OF Josh Reddick.. oh wait..
      1B Anothny Rizzo.. oh wait..
       

    • This is a joke right Felix isn’t a salary dump

      more like Middlebrooks+Igaiseis to even start this train rolling for Boston

      For San Fran they may demand Bumgarner+Belt+Posey+Brown for Felix at that point it is debatable that it is even worth conisdering

      • ARod's Ring 3 years ago

        You said Bumgarner and Posey? are you serious? I wouldn’t trade Bumgarner straight up for Felix and you want to add one of the best catchers in the game? plus Belt and Brown? tell me this is a joke.

        • raffish 3 years ago

          Doubt it’s a joke, but I agree with you that it is too much.

          But if you’d rather have Bumgarner than Felix you’re crazy.

        • You’re also a fantasy league fan and dont know anything about pitching im going to assume. MadBum is a good pitcher.. but he is no Felx and most likely never will be.

    • rundmc1981 3 years ago

      Re: SF proposal – This is epically bad. Unloading a terrible contract (Zito) and giving them 2 pitchers preventing them a spot for 1 of their many young arms to shine and you NOT giving them an impact bat. 

    • ibleedorangeandblack 3 years ago

      as a giants fan, i would freaking love to see felix in the bay area. as a logical human being, there is no way seattle would want zito, penny, and burris for felix. if Z wants those 3, someone needs to inform brian sabean

    • are you all guys brainless, this is an obvious unrealistic offer, smh.

  7. Guys Felix isn’t getting traded i don’t know how many times Z has to say it quit making trade scenarios Felix is committed to Seattle until he gives the indication he isn’t then there is no point in talking trades whatsoever. Also i would love to hear who those executives are that are saying we should trade Ackley in his first full season when we are trying to win with him Lol would be selling low.

    • jondogg2010 3 years ago

      It’s fun to dream….

    • YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

      It would be absolutely stupid NOT to trade Felix. Unless this team gets serious about acquiring some offensive might to contend then it’s just stupid to parade him out there for the next 3 seasons w/ no intention in competing. And I say that w/o an ounce of hope that he will come to NY. I don’t even want my team to make that trade just because I know what it will take. 

      • mrsjohnmiltonrocks 3 years ago

         I disagree with that.  They DO still have to have someone pitch their games; they DO still need someone on the team the fans will come to see; they DO have plenty of young arms on their staff and STILL need someone to be an anchor.  It sends a message to any elite talent that’s in their system that we DO want you and will KEEP you if it’s at all possible.

        King Felix has been the only bright spot on a dismal team.  I think they won’t deal him because they will lose what’s left of their fan base.

        They could ship him out for a boatload of talent-and that doesn’t guarantee they still won’t be at the bottom of the standings.  Prospects are wonderful things; some work out, some don’t.  Why give up one of the only good things in your system for the uncertainty?

        • monroe_says 3 years ago

          So true, M’s fans only have a 20% chance that their ticket is worth what it cost. When The King is not on the mound, the only talent on the field is on the visiting team.

    • Seattle would have made it with the Yankees in the offseason if a offer was

      Bentaces+Beuenlos+Montero+probably Nova and Robertson.Pretty expensive though

      • raffish 3 years ago

        And what an uninspiring return that would have been.

      • xthetouristx 3 years ago

        Pretty sure they’d have wanted more hitting and less pitching and therefore they probably would not have accepted.  Now if Mason Williams and Tyler Austin replaced Banuelos and Betances, I’d say it very well might’ve gotten done.

        But I’m glad that trade didn’t come to fruition because then the Mariners would have an injured Pineda and Campos.

  8. However, a Seattle official tells Rosenthal the team is “wide open” on possible deals. However, we are not trading our top players and prospects
    Such a conundrum!

    Although, I besmirched Casper Wells last week, though not by name.
    However, he is a pretty good player and I am sorry for saying he wasn’t! =P

  9. EightMileCats 3 years ago

    *This was supposed to be reply to D3anski*
    Well, its obvious who you support. 

    It’d have to be something more along the lines of Felix to Boston for Boegarts, and maybe some of those A/AA prospects (Barnes jumps to mind). plus probably.  They have no use for for Beckett and Daisuke

  10. What a joke.

  11. the_show 3 years ago

    Agree…I think they would compete sooner if they got value for Felix

    • davbee 3 years ago

       They would compete sooner if the kept Felix and signed a couple free agent bats.

      • Jacob Viets 3 years ago

        What Free Agent is going to want to go play for the last place Mariners in one of the worst offensive parks?

        • davbee 3 years ago

          The talk is they’re bringing the fences in next year at Safeco.  And actually, it’s already a decent park for lefthanded hitters.  It’s righthanded hitters that struggle with the heavy air coming off the Sound.

        • ultimate913 3 years ago

          Boom. No one. Atleast no one good enough to make a difference. No one is going to go play in Safeco where not only will their bat not produce as well, but they’ll be playing in the same division as the Angels and Rangers. Both, of which, have one of the best prospects either in the majors(Trout) or very close to it(Profar).

          • cdlewey 3 years ago

             Yeah, I’m sure potential free agents will be scared off by a prospect who hasn’t had an at bat past AA

        • mwagner26 3 years ago

           Exactly.  I am of the “DO NOT TRADE FELIX” camp, but they need to develop much better bats.  If a team was willing to throw in massive prospects that were near major league ready, I might listen. 

  12. mets322 3 years ago

    i think the mets would be a perfect fit as a trade partner for mariners…def could use league, and even possibly may need millwood with gee now out (unless they call up a kid, which i like more–they seem to be hesitant though).

  13. Who wants to bet that when Jack gets fired, the first thing the new gm does is trade Felix? It’s like Riccardi’s “I won’t trade Roy so fire me” thing.

    • Who want’s to bet that he won’t be the ownership won’t allow it if he does get traded it will be him requesting to be traded.

    • cdlewey 3 years ago

       Yeah, let’s fire Jack Z because he hasn’t completely rebuilt the Mariners organization in three years! Never mind that they had no talent to start with. Let’s completely start over with one of the many mediocre possible GM’s on the market.

      •  Thank you for bring these guys heads out of the clouds lol. The Ms are ranked in the top 5 for farm systems and GMZ has successfully picked amazing first rounders every single year so far. People need to remember that is was only a few years ago when the Ms were the first 100 Million-100 loss team… it’s going to take awhile to fix the mess but Jack is cleaning it up pretty well

      • The point is he doesn’t seem to realize that trading Felix is the best way to make his team better for the future

        • cdlewey 3 years ago

           It might be. I’m not one of those fans who think the Mariners should never ever trade Felix. They should only trade him if they can get as much as he is worth to the Mariners. Jack Z knows that. However, since he’s worth much more to the Mariners than other teams, there are only two teams who could make it worth it. And those teams wouldn’t do it

  14. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    I’m a little shocked Montero wasn’t on that list.

    • Teams probably already know Jack Z’s answer to that although the teams know the answer to the other guy’s but that still doesn’t stop them from trying to ask for them.

  15. to the yankees
    felix hernandez
    to seattle
    cervelli
    banuelos
    ibanez

    • xthetouristx 3 years ago

      or just as crazy but from the other side –

      to the Yankees: Felix, Olivo, Figgins
      to the Mariners: Sanchez, Cano, Granderson, Mason Williams, Gary Sanchez, Dante Bichette Jr, and Swisher.

    • mwagner26 3 years ago

       Only if you throw in Derek Jeter and the ghost of Babe Ruth.

  16. monroe_says 3 years ago

    Here we are into year 4 of the Jack Z rebuild and there is not one single position player on this Mariners team that projects as a significant cog on a playoff contender. The idea that Ackley or Seager are untouchable is as comical as the notion that another GM would think either one would push his team over the top. 

    • raffish 3 years ago

      what?  are you suggesting that Ackley, Montero, Seager, and Saunders can’t get better?    They’re young guys.  As far as you know, they all project as playoff starting players.  You make a lot of silly claims in this thread.

      • monroe_says 3 years ago

        When it comes to the trade deadline, I’m working under the assumption that teams that are offering up prospects – which is what the Mariners would be looking for – are trying to improve their team for THIS season. Ackley’s on the verge of going back to the minors. Seager’s turning back into a pumpkin. Saunders is a fourth outfielder for a contender. And Montero, who has been disappointing so far, is hardly ready for primetime. These are not players that are helping anyone in 2012.

        • raffish 3 years ago

          You didn’t specify for 2012. You simply said they didn’t project has playoff caliber starting players. The Mariners are not looking for more prospects. We have plenty of them. We need players to surround Felix Hernandez now.

    • harmony55 3 years ago

      Folks underestimate how hard it is to hit in the American League West in general and at Safeco Field in particular.

      About half of the current maligned Seattle lineup is made up of top hitting prospects from the past three years: Justin Smoak, Baseball America’s No. 4 midseason prospect in 2009; Michael Saunders, BA’s No. 25 midseason prospect (18th hitter) in 2009; Dustin Ackley, BA’s No. 7 midseason prospect (5th hitter) in 2010; and Jesus Montero, BA’s No. 3 (3), No. 5(4) and No. 8(5) midseason prospect in 2009, 2010 and 2011.

      Adrian Beltre, Mike Morse, Bryan LaHair and Shin-Soo Choo blossomed after leaving the AL West and Safeco Field.

  17. Tony Matias 3 years ago

     Walter, I must admit your persistence in defending against a Felix move is admirable. Bravo. But at the same time… your ardent and, seemingly, inability to look at an upside to potentially trading him for a massive haul is unfortunate.

    • We aren’t getting a massive haul for Felix this isn’t the early 2000’s anymore when teams were willing to throw prospects away and also we will need a guy like Felix when we become a contender. Also these prospects are never going to live up to what Felix is most likely.

      • xthetouristx 3 years ago

        It all depends on what a team is willing to part with.  If the Rangers would part with Profar and two of Olt, Ogando, and Feliz, the Mariners would have to listen.  If the Royals would give up Myers and two of Odorizzi, Starling, and Butler, again the Mariners would have to listen.  Even if the Red Sox offered Lester, Bogaerts, and one of Barnes or Bradley.

        There are many different overpay scenarios that would make sense for both sides – though most likely on a team that is willing to sacrifice a good deal of WAR in the future for a shot at the World Series now.

        • Bob9988 3 years ago

           Yeah but the overpay would not be three, but all four of the top prospects you mentioned.  Seattle cannot afford to lose this deal so an established ML bat and arm, both cost controlled would have to be part of the group.  So it would be a ML hitter and pitcher, plus your top two best prospects.  There is no team that would do that, especially one that is contending.  No pitcher of Felix’s ability, age and contract has ever been traded before.  So the haul, at least right now, has to be enormous, too enormous for any team to pay right now.

        • raffish 3 years ago

          How often does someone list a group of top prospects in a trade proposal, only to look back on the offer a year or two later and realize it was a heap of junk?  Felix Hernandez is the nuts.  A couple of AA studs do not equal an ace starting pitcher, especially with the failure rate of prospects.

          • xthetouristx 3 years ago

            But the AA studs have the potential to put up more WAR in their 6+ years on the team than Felix would put up in under 2.5 years!

          • raffish 3 years ago

            Key word:  potential.  Lots of players have potential.  Felix delivers the goods, guaranteed.

          • xthetouristx 3 years ago

            For just under the next 2.5 years if his arm doesn’t fall off!

          • raffish 3 years ago

            Why would it?  He looks as durable as any pitcher I’ve ever seen.  Not every arm falls off.

            And we will resign him.  :)

          • xthetouristx 3 years ago

            More arms fall off than don’t.  He has a lot of miles on that relatively young arm.  Something could pop any day and then everyone would be like, “Darn it, why didn’t the Mariners trade him?!”

            Pitching is volatile.

  18. sparticus112b 3 years ago

    It would make more sense for the Mariners to wait until next summer to trade Felix so they can evaluate whether the young offensive players will pan out at all.  If they don’t they you probably consider it.  Felix will have butt loads of value next summer too.  Why jump the gun, the balls in their own court.

  19. jondogg2010 3 years ago

    IF (key word if bec most seem to lowball) a team made a LEGIT offer to Seattle to acquire the services of King Felix, I’m SURE they would pull the trigger. From what I’ve heard and have read no one has ever even made a real offer. It would most likely take 2 top 50 prospects, 1 major league ready arm, absorbing all of his contract, and maybe even a few high end draft picks.

    EDIT- but than again, because I’m neutral, I would (If I’m Jack Z) take a trade that involves getting a few top prospects and ALL of his contract being eaten by the team he’s being traded to. That way the M’s recoup a few prospects, and save his salary.

    • raffish 3 years ago

      Salary isn’t the concern.  The M’s don’t need to shed payroll, and they absolutely would not have to send money to get a deal done.

    • mwagner26 3 years ago

      I may be wrong, but teams have made really good offers for Felix, and Jack Z. said no.

  20. bigblue1184 3 years ago

    Felix has stated over and over again that he loves Seattle and wants to win a world championship in SEATTLE. Jack Z has stated over and over again that he is not going anywhere. Now does he listen to trade offers for Felix? Of course he does because that way he knows what teams are willing to give up and that way he could counter. I honestly think that Seattle should and will build around Felix.

    Felix
    Hutzlen
    Walker
    Paxton
    Noesi, Carraway, Rameriz, etc…….

    Now if we could just add some free agent bats that would be good. Well i should say some that could actually hit. 

  21. harmony55 3 years ago

    The current much-maligned Seattle lineup has four hitters whom Baseball America ranked on its midseason Top 25 prospect lists in the three previous years: Justin Smoak at No. 4 in 2009, Michael Saunders at No. 25 in 2009, Dustin Ackley at No. 7 in 2010 and Jesus Montero at No. 3 in 2009, No. 5 in 2010 and No. 8 in 2011.

    My point is that no hitter is guaranteed to post impressive numbers in Seattle … the Mariners would be taking a great risk in trading away Felix Hernandez.

  22. dshires4 3 years ago

    It’s annoying being a Mariners fan that agrees with the idea of trading Felix. Mariners fans are far more attached to the name on the back of the jersey than the name on the front, and that’s the only explanation.

    • Your right because trading Randy Johnson and Ken Griffey Jr. sure helped us..O wait

      • xthetouristx 3 years ago

        Because they were totally going to resign with us.

        Oh wait.

        • Hahah your a funny guy and yes Johnson would have resigned with us had our GM had not insulted him with the offer thinking Johnson was used up he went on to win a WS with the D’Backs and continued to pitch great. I know Griffey wanted to go play for the Reds but do you think he would of turned down a 176M-200M contact from us? I don’t.

          • xthetouristx 3 years ago

            First, no team would have offered that contract in the 90s.  Second, it’s not smart to sign pitching longterm.  Randy wanted longterm.  Management didn’t want to go more than 4 years.  Did you forget that Randy Johnson missed all of 1996?  You can use hindsight all you want – signing pitching longterm generally bites the team signing the pitching. Or is Zito a great investment?

      • monroe_says 3 years ago

        Trading Ken Griffey Jr. only got you Mike Cameron, who was far better for the Mariners than Griffey was for the Reds and was a major contributor to the M’s early 2000 successes. But whatever.

        • Seriously? Mike Cameron led us to the playoffs once i would of rather kept Griffey and Johnson and payed them because after we sold everybody off we have sucked for the last decade. Let’s trade away a proven commodity for a bunch of prospects woohoo sounds like a great gamble when the guy doesn’t want to leave Seattle.

          • xthetouristx 3 years ago

            Johnson got us Freddy Garcia who got us Felix.  So there’s that.

          • monroe_says 3 years ago

            You might want to consider taking a look at Griffey’s post-Mariner career. Seattle dodged a bullet. The Reds had one winning season with him on the team.

          •  Griffey was actually pretty good for them if you take the injuries out of the equation and they had Griffey for much longer we had Cameron for what 4 seasons? To small of a sample size.

          • cdlewey 3 years ago

            During his 4 years on the Mariners, Mike Cameron was worth 17 WAR. By comparison, Ken Griffey Jr was worth 11.3 WAR while he was with Cincinatti even though he was there twice as long as Cameron was with Seattle.

      • You lost Randy Johnson in 98, Griffey in 99, AROD in 2000 then had like the best season ever in 2000. And some of those guys you got for Johnson and a never to be the same Griffey helped you win in 2001. Carlos Guilen and Mike Cameron helped win those 116 games.

    • raffish 3 years ago

      NO, you are deaf or you can’t read.  You have been supplied with plenty of reasons to not trade Felix Hernandez.  

  23. The M’s should trade KingF in the offseason when his value would be more.  They should use the Beane theory on let teams over bid on him.  They could get a package of 5 or more prospects for him.  Sorry redsox and yank fans your farm sysytem doesn’t have enough players for him.   The over pay could make the M’s a contending team.

    • mwagner26 3 years ago

      What team has a pitcher than can match the quality of Felix Hernandez?  We’re never going to give him up because : 1) He loves Seattle, and has cited previously about staying in Seattle; 2) We love Felix.  He is still very young and still very dominant; 3) The return for him would never work out, seeing as how he is Felix Hernandez.

      If you can find a team that has massive pitching prospects, infield prospects, and other top prospects, then I’d be much more willing to listen in. 

  24. cdlewey 3 years ago

    I’ll probably take this report with a grain of salt. It could just be Jack Z discussing a trade with an individual club and saying that a certain player is off limits for the player on the other team they are discussing.

  25. tommyhilfigure 3 years ago

    mariners need offence. trade king felix 4 pujols – best hitter in the game for 10 years 4 top ace pitcher – win win 4 everyone

    • cdlewey 3 years ago

      Yeah, the Mariners win by adding a player in his mid 30s on a 10 year contract in exchange for a younger player performing better and getting paid less

    • Robb Logan 3 years ago

      yep trade for a guy with a full NO trade clause …………. head slap time

  26. Ken Roucka 3 years ago

    That’s a lot of “untouchables” for a team that is 15 games under .500

    • harmony55 3 years ago

      Felix Hernandez at 26 years of age is the only “untouchable” who has reached his 25th birthday.

    • bigpat 3 years ago

      They are all prospects/rookies aside from Felix, I fail to see the problem here.

  27. C.C-Felix(trade)-Hamels(sign)-Pettite-Kuroda yes Yankee fans can dare too dream but it would never happen.

  28. ultimate913 3 years ago

    Look at that! How nice of the M’s to put their crap up for sale and expect a good return while they keep the things worth something.

    That’s so so nice of you, Seattle!

    • Yes, That’s exactly what Z said 😉

    • Daniel Lewis 3 years ago

      What they really SHOULD do is offer up their top prospects because everyone knows that’s how you pull off a successful rebuild. Right?

  29. I dont think any player should be untouchable, but I highly doubt we trade Felix. Paxton is a guy who I think we would want to trade for a bat and have him be the main piece. I am very happy Ichiro isnt on that list, lets hope we can get something for him, someone will need a leadoff hitter.

  30. bigpat 3 years ago

    Sweet, open market on Miguel Olivo!!! One offer at a time now guys. 

  31. LALSEADEN 3 years ago

    Paxton/Walker
    Liddi
    Vargas
    1 B level prospect (of)
    1 c level prospect (another pitcher)

    for
    Upton

  32. Ill say this again besides that one year with that cup cake of a schedule what exactly did those trades due for us? Nothing that’s right nothing we weren’t some dynasty we just had a easy schedule won 116 games and did nothing after that. I am so sick of the “Let’s trade away the one guy that can help us rebuild quicker” Yea right i have seen this before as i have said it did nothing for us. I don’t even know why i respond to this trading Felix nonsense it’s never going to happen dreamers can dream i guess.

    • xthetouristx 3 years ago

      Felix would not have come to Seattle if Seattle had not traded for Freddy Garcia.  Garcia was Felix’s favorite player and Felix turned down more money from other teams to sign with Seattle.  So that’s what trading Johnson got us (in addition to a couple decent years from Guillen and a few good years from Garcia and Halama).

      • Yea, I don’t buy that i think either way Felix would of come to Seattle our IFA scouting director had a very close relationship with the Hernandez family. Did he say Garcia was one of the deciding factors? Sure but you don’t know for a fact that he wouldn’t of chosen us with the Scouting Director ties.

        • xthetouristx 3 years ago

          You can go ahead and not buy whatever you want and then make wild statements and back them up as much as you want.  All we know is what is in print and I don’t see any reason for Felix to lie about this.

  33. Nobody seems to understand. Felix likes it in Seattle. We have enough money to pay any player anything we need to pay them. The problem is.. we travel more then anyone, which eats alot of time with their family. And offence is horrible because the ball does not carry well in Safeco. From what i hear they are considering bringing the fences in all the way around. Its not so much the distance as it is the air and temp.

  34. Mike Cameron was one of my favorite Mariners. 4 homers in a game , All-Star , 3 gold gloves. Not all here but he was a great center too. Wish he’d of stayed longer.

    •  Hey i am not saying i don’t like Mike Cameron because i did i am just saying just because you trade away one of your star players doesn’t mean your team is going to do a 180 and start winning like a lot of M’s and other fan’s are saying.

  35. mwagner26 3 years ago

     I really think something needs to be done offensively. Whether that’s firing Chambliss and getting a great hitting coach (Griffey Jr. would be perfect when he’s ready to coach), or working on the fundamentals with these kids. 

    Ackley has 354 plate appearances, and he has 74 K’s (last year in 376 PA, he only had 79 K’s).  That tells me that he’s swinging and missing far too much.  His OBP is a .311.  I don’t know if that’s good or not, so whatever.    Last year, his was a .348.  I think he really needs more time in AAA, because whatever approach he has this year, it’s not working. 

    I was one of the people who thought Justin Smoak was actually a good player.  I’m really starting to see that he sucks.  I don’t know what his problem is, but I don’t see a future for him in Seattle.

  36. xthetouristx 3 years ago

    Usually the people who had crazy ability aren’t the best coaches because it came naturally.  They didn’t have to work as hard as the other guys.  Not saying they didn’t work hard, it just came naturally. I would not hire Ken Griffey, Jr. as a hitting coach; someone like Edgar would be better.  Just like I would not hire Randy Johnson as a pitching coach.  Someone like Moyer would be better.

  37. mypoorbuccos 3 years ago

    Part of being a young player with a smallish amount of plate
    appearances, particularly one who is regarded as an up and coming star
    as well as one of the “better” hitters on the team, and here I mean
    Ackley, is that the league MAKES ADJUSTMENTS.

    Dustin is
    pressing, but with his pedigree and swing, the probability is higher
    that he makes new adjustments and we see the 2011 version of Ackley far
    more often in the future than we see the 2012 pressing K machine that
    seems to always be in an 0-2 count. Wedge also has had him hit in five
    or six different spots in the order this year, tough to find a groove.

    Smoak
    is of greater concern. Some have pointed to his not great year  last
    year – a year in which he had nagging injuries to both his thumbs (tough
    on a hitter) his face, and his heart – his dad died midseason, and it
    seems they were very very close. Add that to the fact he knows he was
    the banner name in the Clif Lee deal and his knowledge of a somewhat
    lost season last year, and he seemsto be pressing too. That said, that
    swing is too long and he needs better pitch recognition and discipline
    so he can get in fastball counts. Dude destroys fastballs (like most
    good ML hitters, I know).

    So if you somewhat disregard Smoak’s
    2011, he is also only at a seasonand a halforsoof plate appearances.
    Which is not too few to disregard concern, but it is way too few to hit
    the panic button.

    Not everyone is Mike Trout and Bryce Harper. One of the key ingredients
    in a rebuild is PATIENCE. It wouldn’t kill Seattlites to ease up on the
    expectations and go support the team and enjoy watching the team grow
    and evolve. 90s versions of Edgar and The Kid aren’t suiting up for the
    second half.

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