Deadline Reaction: Dodgers, Angels, Mets, Phillies

After last year’s non-waiver trade deadline passed I was asked on various radio shows to break down the day’s winners and losers. I listed the Braves as big winners, citing the Michael Bourn trade as a particularly promising move. Little did I know, the Braves would go 26-27 in August and September and miss the playoffs. Meanwhile, Doug Fister, would go 8-1 with a 1.79 ERA and a 57K/5BB ratio in 70 1/3 innings for the Tigers after being acquired from Seattle in a trade that got relatively little fanfare. Detroit pulled away from the rest of the AL Central on the way to an ALCS appearance thanks, in part, to Fister’s tremendous finish. In retrospect the Tigers were definitely trade deadline winners, even though it wasn’t apparent on August 1st, 2011. 

Assessing a flurry of trades so soon after they happen isn’t always easy, but it’s still fun to check out reaction to the trade deadline. Here’s what’s being said about the recent MLB moves…

  • Joel Sherman of the New York Post says the White Sox, Angels, Dodgers, Yankees and Astros can be considered trade deadline winners. But as Sherman points out, we tend to declare teams winners if they spend money and acquire big names, even though that’s hardly a surefire predictor of success. Sherman isn't so high on moves made by teams such as the Mets, Tigers and Phillies.
  • The Pirates, Rangers and White Sox are among this year's deadline winners, Yahoo's Jeff Passan writes. Passan breaks down each team's deadline moves (or non-moves), writing that the Phillies, Twins and Indians were among the year's losers.
  • Jayson Stark of ESPN.com likes what both L.A. teams did, but he's not impressed by the moves the Marlins and Phillies made. Stark groups the Cubs with Miami and Philadelphia in his 'losers' division.
  • The Nationals would have done well to add some experienced players, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports writes. The Blue Jays, Orioles, Indians and Red Sox came up short at this year's deadline, while the Phillies and Angels did well, Morosi writes.
  • The Dodgers, White Sox and Astros are among this year's winners, Dave Cameron of FanGraphs writes. The Nationals and Rockies didn't do so well in Cameron's estimation.
  • Ken Davidoff of the New York Post reacts to the deadline without providing a definitive list of winners and losers. Instead, he explains the role of the new collective bargaining agreement and examines the role of ownership in midseason trades.
  • Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus ranks the 43 prospects traded in an article at ESPN.com. Jacob Turner and Jean Segura top his list.
  • Matt Eddy of Baseball America recaps this year's trade action with an easy-to-follow guide.
  • Trade season isn’t over yet, and Jed Lowrie and Cliff Lee are among the players who could be traded in August, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney writes. Here’s MLBTR’s primer on trading in August.


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3 years 26 days ago

Cliff Lee. Isn’t. Being. Traded.

nm344
3 years 26 days ago

Buster is under the opinion that the Phililes are entering a long rebuild. He’ll be in for a surprise this winter.

3 years 26 days ago

Ruben also said he has enough money to sign 2 major free agents in the offseason. If anything, I’m excited.

John Kappel
3 years 26 days ago

I wouldn’t be. The division has caught up to the Phillies. The Nats and Braves are only going to get better in the off-season.

nm344
3 years 26 days ago

How are they going to get better? Braves have huge holes in LF, CF, 3B and a starting pitching spot while guys like Hanson, Heyward and Prado are due hefty ARB raises.

Nats will need to replace EJax and do you really think their starting staff can repeat what they are doing this year?

John Kappel
3 years 15 days ago

They don’t have a hole at 3B because Prado slides there next season. LF is a problem yes, and I don’t see them signing Bourn either so CF will be an issue. However, their rotation should be better and they still have the depth to trade for someone to shore up one of those to outfield spots.

dylanp5030
3 years 26 days ago

Braves are a good team no doubt. But they could end up losing Bourn to FA if they don’t open up their pockets (which I don’t think they will). Their rotation could get better with another year under their belts, but it really depends on guys like Delgado and Teheran’s development.

nm344
3 years 26 days ago

Phillies did what they had to. Now they have over $30 million to spend this winter for a CF and 3B. Only reason to call them ‘losers’ is that they didn’t trade Blanton, Pierre or Wigginton as well.

East Coast Bias
3 years 26 days ago

I don’t know if it’s to spend in the off season, or to offset the money they have already spent on Hamels, etc.

nm344
3 years 26 days ago

They have 30 million to spend after accounting for Hamels

Jimcass134
3 years 26 days ago

They also have massive TV deal in the coming years. They have money to spend especially if they are able to trade off Rollins/Lee/Doc/Utley in the off season. Doc/Utley are both done after next season so teams could take a shot at them.

dylanp5030
3 years 26 days ago

I don’t get the trade everyone and clear up room for FA.

Have you not looked at the FA to be in the next two years. (Position Players only)
There are:
Hamilton
Bourn
Victorino
Pence
Granderson
Cruz
and Ellsbury
then no other really impact players (Cano and Wright will sign extensions almost guarenteed)

Jimcass134
3 years 26 days ago

When I say trade, I want them to do it not just to clear up salary but to get young talented prospects or MLB players. Like Cliff Lee for example. I want them to eat a decent chunk of his contract if it allows them to get 2-3 top notch prospects. If they could trade him to the Rangers and get 2-3 of Profar, Olt, Martin, Perez, I would be ecstatic. Profar could play SS and Galvis can play 2nd, Olt would solve the issue at 3rd, Martin would solve the issue at CF, and Perez would be another very good Pitching prospect. That’s what
i mean when I say trade them because I do not believe the Phillies need to move guys just to clear some cap. They can afford all these contracts if they want to, but if they can get highly touted prospects that can fill in multiple holes for a guy like Cliff, why not right?

vtadave
3 years 26 days ago

Except no team is going to trade highly-touted prospects for a pitcher on the wrong side of 30 who is owed close to $90 million over the next three years. If they Rangers had offered up just Profar, then Cliff Lee would be wearing a Rangers jersey today.

Jimcass134
3 years 26 days ago

Maybe it has to do with the amount of money Amaro was comfortable eating at the deadline where everything is crammed into one week. Things can change in the off season. Clearly you didn’t take that into consideration before posting your comment.

vtadave
3 years 26 days ago

No, I did, but you’re not taking into account how valuable guys like Profar are. He might even be the best prospect in baseball, and those guys just don’t get dealt. Now considering the Rangers have a 3B already, Olt could be expendable, but unless the Phillies eat a bunch of that money, I imagine the Rangers would rather keep Olt and pursue a guy like Anibal Sanchez on the open market.

Jimcass134
3 years 26 days ago

That’s what I said before about Amaro eating a decent chunk. I’m talking about 40-60 million which would cover half to two thirds of Lee’s remaining salary. I know that seems extreme but guys like Profar can help them contend for years to come.

East Coast Bias
3 years 26 days ago

Am I missing something? Everyone saying White Sox are winners. All they did was get Liriano, right? Or is there another trade I’m forgetting?

goodgm
3 years 26 days ago

they got youkilis

East Coast Bias
3 years 26 days ago

Ah, Youk… forgot about that one. My bad.

nm344
3 years 26 days ago

and Myers

johnsilver
3 years 26 days ago

Teams don’t play nice anymore and let players pass through waivers so a team(s) can make a trade. Lowrie gets claimed. He can play both 3b and SS. Too many teams still need both of those positions and even if he is a walking medical ward.. The guy is barely making 1m a year.. He gets claimed..

melonis_rex
3 years 26 days ago

Yeah, I really can’t see Lowrie making it past say, the Cubs.

johnsilver
3 years 26 days ago

We had an exchange few weeks ago regarding Mike Aviles. Think he would even be an upgrade in Oakland honestly and I had thoughts (hopeful ones at least) that Boston might be shopping him prior to the deadline and Boston going with Cirriaco and Iglesias..

Yes.. Aviles is a hacker.. THAT is bad, but he does hit and actually has pretty fair power for a middle IF/3b. Who knows? Maybe after the season he could end up in Oakland anyway, cause i don’t think it would take much to get him.

johnsilver
3 years 26 days ago

“The time also seemed ripe to shuffle what has been an underwhelming everyday lineup”

Quick look at stats for all 30 MLB teams.. Boston, without Ellsbury and Crawford the 1st 90 games of the season, Ross for 30 games are top 5-7 in virtually EVERY offensive category and that is not just in the AL, but ALL OF MLB teams.

Jon Paul Morosi has -0- clue. I could have made some sense if he had written something resembling that Boston gone out and gotten a SP, maybe moved some players, or something a few other clueless writers have repeated over the last weeks, but ohhh noooo. Morosi had to one up them and get into the Dan Shaugnessy, “I am a dolt” category and dream up something that was NEVER a problem this year… Scoring runs..

Morosi.. I crown thee..King Dolt the 1st..

3 years 26 days ago

I dont understand how selling teams, such as the phillies are considered losers, obviously they will getweaker because they’re giving up major league talent, but keeping them wasnt going to make a difference.

Jwick22
3 years 26 days ago

They are judging by the talent they recieved in the trades. But its all opinions and everybody has one

3 years 26 days ago

what were they suppose to get, pence had a sub 800 ops, and victorino had less than a year, when you look at that, they got reasonable value. talent received, is what they shouild of gotten for value given.

neoncactus
3 years 26 days ago

I think the Dodgers could have gotten almost any offensive player and been declared a winner. At least it’s obvious Frank McCourt is no longer around!

Blue387
3 years 26 days ago

Alderson should have acquired someone. Other than Wheeler last season, the Mets have been quiet at the deadline for years. Would have helped arrest the team’s struggles in the second half.

3 years 26 days ago

Cliff Lee isn’t going to get traded!

3 years 26 days ago

maybe pirates will get jed lowrie

crashcameron
3 years 26 days ago

phillies lose simply on Pence. who knows down the roiad of course but they paid high and flipped him for less a year later. in the meantime he was maybe their most consistent hitter (cheech aside)

crashcameron
3 years 26 days ago

sanchez they hope, infante for sure, fill immediate holes for los tigres. but hhhhhmmmmm … jacob turner. i cant help thinking doyle alexander/john smoltz !

PennMariner
3 years 26 days ago

1 year ago, Trout hit .220/.281/.390 as a 19-year old. 1 year ago, Anthony Rizzo hit .141/.281/.242. Bryce Harper, on the other hand, is hitting to the better-than-league-average tune of .258/.334/.425 at age 19. To write him off as “no Trout or Rizzo” at this stage tells me you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

vtadave
3 years 26 days ago

Nats have the 6th highest team OPS in the NL and that’s without full seasons from Morse and Harper. Seems pretty good to me.