West Notes: Cano, Angels, Rockies, Hudson

Robinson Cano signing with the Mariners would be "dumb" for both player and team, argues FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal. The Mariners need more than just one more player to become a contender, and "store-bought teams often prove to be disasters," as recent iterations of the Blue Jays and Marlins suggest. The Yankees, meanwhile, won't go past $170MM or so, even though they just agreed to sign Jacoby Ellsbury for $153MM. For Cano, signing with Seattle would be an "inexplicable money grab." It wouldn't make sense for Cano, the Mariners, or the Yankees if Cano went west. Speaking of which, here are more notes from the West divisions.

  • Bronson Arroyo and Bartolo Colon currently aren't high priorities for the Angels, Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register writes. Masahiro Tanaka, Matt Garza and Scott Feldman remain possibilities (Twitter links). Earlier this week, a report indicated that the Angels were interested in Arroyo.
  • After dealing Dexter Fowler to the Astros and working out a two-year deal with first baseman Justin Morneau, the Rockies aren't through making moves, assistant GM Bill Geivett tells Patrick Saunders of the Denver Post. "I think we are still in the marker for a starting pitcher, another bat, and as I’ve said before, our bullpen is not closed," says Geivett, who also says that history will not be remembered as a "salary dump." 
  • Pitcher Daniel Hudson is "optimistic" he'll re-sign with the Diamondbacks, reports Steve Gilbert of MLB.com. Arizona non-tendered him on Monday after he missed most of the last two seasons due to injury. "I don't really want to go anywhere else," Hudson says. "Obviously if something doesn't work out then we'll have to figure something else out, but as long as we're cordial and we're talking and everything, I really want to make sure I stay working out with those guys."


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139 Comments on "West Notes: Cano, Angels, Rockies, Hudson"


BK
1 year 7 months ago

The Angels could very well put it together. Their offense is good and a season of a better bullpen and no Blanton actually puts them in competition differentialwise.

RyanWKrol
1 year 7 months ago

It puts them in competition by default, just like dropping Kazmir in 2011. Cutting dead weight, of course, is another way of improving a roster.

sdsny
1 year 7 months ago

Those of you who are saying the Mariners aren’t done yet and they have plenty of money to spend aren’t coming off as credible criticizing Ken Rosenthal. There’s no guarantee you’re going to get everybody on your wish list, nor is it any guarantee that if you DO get everybody on your wish list (2012 Marlins) that it’s going to amount to anything.

Business wise it makes sense, especially when it comes to selling some tickets. But 25 games in the standings is a lot to make up from one season to the next. Impossible? Absolutely not. Look at the 2013 Red Sox. But if you do get Cano and are unable to improve your pitching or add to the lineup around him, you wasted $25 million for at least one season, likely more. It’s a massive risk for a team that just lost 91 games and has no fan enthusiasm. You go out and spend $230 million on 1 player and are unable to fill in the team around him the fans will stop coming once the novelty wears off. On Cano’s side, in no way, shape, or form is getting $230 million of guaranteed money an “inexplicable moneygrab.” I’d take that, no explanation needed.

WazBazbo
1 year 7 months ago

“Do you have any explanation for taking $230 million?”

“YES!!! IT WAS $230 MILLION DOLLARS!!!”

Dustin Klavon
1 year 7 months ago

I think you make good points and I’ll accept maybe I’m being overly optimistic from an M’s standpoint (to be clear, I have no rooting interest for them or in that division, I’m a Braves and Tigers fan). But it boils down to your “massive risk” quote: this team needs to take a massive risk. It’s been bad for some time, and taking a big risk amid such an extended streak of poorness seems more logical than a team like, say, the Dodgers taking such a risk.

I do agree with you that there’s no guarantee they get anyone else or that they pan out. But why not try if your Seattle? Why not take the risk? And as I said earlier and as I think is being understated, this deal would make Seattle a more attractive FA landing spot. I forgot who it was, but I know one of the major FAs of this winter turned down a Seattle offer because they saw it as an undesirable franchise to sign with. Cano changes all that- now you have Felix and Cano- and a team clearly willing to spend with aspirations of winning with pieces already in long-term place.

sdsny
1 year 7 months ago

That’s the counter argument. The M’s have nothing to lose. Best case scenario, Cano helps that team win. Worst case scenario, nothing changes. You’re just $230 million poorer. It’s worth a shot from the M’s perspective, I totally get that. But I’m not going to dismiss Ken Rosenthal’s point about signing him and certainly not because “that’s not all the M’s are going to do.” I’m sure the M’s will try and do everything they can to put pieces in place around Cano.

STLMang
1 year 7 months ago

I get that, that’s the ‘as could be’ part. I’m a little worried that their pitching isn’t where it needs to be, but with Andrus, Profar and their other middle infielding trade chips, they should be able to get an Ace if they want to.

RyanWKrol
1 year 7 months ago

The Rangers need to stop and evaluate their middle IF depth before dealing anymore of them. If they want Price, they probably have to deal Moreland since the Rays are looking for a 1B. They already have an ace; it’s probably wiser for them to get pitching depth.

WazBazbo
1 year 7 months ago

Really? Really? You just favorably compared one player at $25 million to 7 members of a championship team that cost a collective $72 million and you think you made your point? REALLY?!?!?

Taylor Hope
1 year 7 months ago

Point is Boston went out and signed all those guys. So, in essence, yeah, the Sox of ’13 were “store-bought” to a point. Not sure why you’re freaking out on him. Also not sure why you have to compare it to Cano signing. If the M’s get him, we get him. They could sign for players after that, as they’ll have another $25-30MM available.

Dustin Klavon
1 year 7 months ago

Kinda think this is media bias for the Yankees. Seems like they’re all rooting for a Yankee super team for some reason.

This makes sense for Cano because 50M is a lot of $$. Gives M’s star power, will help attract future FAs, and maybe vault them in to contending- plus they have the space to do this- they won’t be hamstrung as media people are suggesting. As someone mentioned, ballooning MLB TV deals and overall ballooning revenue means this deal won’t be so comparatively staggering in a few years.

The only thing Cano going 10 yrs 250 with the M’s disadvantages is the AL West slightly and the Yankees. Again, since the McCann and Ellsbury deals I’m starting to sense big media names are starting to root for a Yankees super team. So I’m not surprised people like Ken are trying to influence deal and push Cano to New York.

pft2
1 year 7 months ago

Fact of the matter is the Yankees and Red Sox have the largest fan base, and it is a national base as opposed to geographically limited. World Series ratings are highest when one of those 2 teams make the WS, and when they play each other as equals (unlike the last 2 years), their ratings on national TV are enormous.

That’s one reason I believe MLB gave Arod such a stuff penalty, in a bid to help the Yankees regain some of their competitiveness. As the largest revenue sharer MLB does not want to see the Yankees revenues fall and have less to share.

John Murray
1 year 7 months ago

Actually…only 7 of those titles have come in the past 48 years, since the onset of the draft. Over the same time frame, the Cards and A’s have each won 4 titles. And I don’t think they “bought” the 1996 or 1998 championships…the next two, yes, and certainly 2009. But the Yankees have missed more often than they’ve hit by buying teams. Bought teams bring playoff appearances, but they rarely buy championships.

1 year 7 months ago

They bought Babe Ruth didn’t they. That’s 4 more titles and 7 total appearances. Then add in Roger Maris in the 60s and Reggie, Nettles and Catfish Hunter in the 70s.

jwsox
1 year 7 months ago

Why exactly would adding the best free agent out there be dumb for a team with a good farm system and a very good rotation? And it’s not dumb for cano he already has a ring, he will get paid and be the face of a franchise.

I think it’s actually a good move for the m’s. They get a legit super star middle of the order bat in his prime(yes they will over pay for the later years). They still have money to get one more bat(no way they stop with cano if they get him) they have a farm system that will allow them to make a trade for a bat or pitcher(price?)

And look at the division they are in. It’s pretty winnable.

WazBazbo
1 year 7 months ago

I was just about to say that somewhere in Angel-land, uttering the phrase “make a big move” could possibly be punished by loss of job…

AlphaICaesar
1 year 7 months ago

At minimum, the penalty should see them struck about the face with an inflatable Josh Hamilton SGA bat.

BK
1 year 7 months ago

not sure why the Angels are being counted out. If they pitch a replacement level pitcher and fix up their bullpen their run differential has them in competition.

STLMang
1 year 7 months ago

The only reason I count them out is because of what they look like in the next 5 years. Sure next year they can contend if Pujols is healthy and Hamilton returns to form, but because of their weak farm system and aging/declining players, they dont look like division leaders in the future.

RyanWKrol
1 year 7 months ago

Pitching is their problem, and they have already made several moves to address that. Pujols and Hamilton are not the problem. There’s no way to predict what a team will be in 5 years. Many of the numerous pitchers the Angels drafted this year could easily be making their big league debuts in 5 years. So it could easily be a much different farm system. And their only commitment in 5 years is Pujols, so as of right now they could easily go on a great spending spree 5 years from now and be fine with or without a lot of good prospects coming up.

John Murray
1 year 7 months ago

Rosenthal’s comments do seem to be eastern bias. The Mariners have a lot of quality pitching, and building a middle of the order could put them places. Losing Cano surely damages the Yankees in many ways, most notably making the signing of Ellsbury look desperate. If Cano doesn’t sign, the Yankees are going to scramble to field a team as good as 2013, because pitching looks like a serious problem right now.

Vanessa Pearl
1 year 7 months ago

You read my mind

sdsny
1 year 7 months ago

Yes. Admitted Mets fan though.

John Murray
1 year 7 months ago

That pretty much nails it. Rosenthal has often taken the view that a strong Yankee team is good for baseball. With 30 franchises, parity is more important than any team.

SierraM363
1 year 7 months ago

You think he might need to get rid of his Cano jersey?

jwsox
1 year 7 months ago

Traded for whole taking on his entire contract pretty much a “buy”

jwsox
1 year 7 months ago

While* sorry phone corrected.

MB923
1 year 7 months ago

So any player that gets traded is “bought” by that team?

northsfbay
1 year 7 months ago

Why do the Yankees have a monopoly on the best players?

SierraM363
1 year 7 months ago

Because Ken said so.

AKA_brotherfox
1 year 7 months ago

Well, playing in the NLCS isn’t exactly a lost season, though.

schellis
1 year 7 months ago

Prior to the draft prospects were signed on the open market. So their great farm systems that usually had a depth of players to the point that many very good players never got a true chance to play because they were blocked by even greater ones was due to the Yankees buying their championships. The only time the Yankees were completely cut off from buying was in the era of the draft that was before free agency. The Yankees were horrible those years.

RyanWKrol
1 year 7 months ago

The 2009 Yankees won the World Series because A-Rod finally had a good postseason; Girardi switched to a 3 man rotation vs the Angels; and Matsui went crazy during the WS. NY really didnt have to spend all that money. And there were many more factors than money that got them that title. Good thing for them the Angels lethal offense was suddenly stopped dead in their tracks after sweeping the Red Sox. The Yankees and Angels both were terrible as a whole in the clutch in that ALCS. But those 3 factors I mentioned earlier are the main reasons the 2009 Yankees were World Champs. It wasn’t just because the team was “store bought.”

Dave Andres
1 year 7 months ago

the jays were not store bought , they made trades

sdsny
1 year 7 months ago

The point is more or less that they didn’t grow their own vegetables in the back yard if you catch my drift.