Marlins Designate Jacob Turner For Assignment

The Marlins have designated right-hander Jacob Turner for assignment, the club announced. Lefty Brian Flynn has been recalled to take his spot on the active roster.

Needless to say, this comes as something of a surprise. Turner, 23, was at one point considered by some to be one of the game’s twenty best prospects. And while he has not produced good bottom-line results this year (5.97 ERA), Turner has been victimized by a .368 BABIP. And he has thrown just 264 total big league innings over parts of the last four seasons.

Notably, he has improved significantly this year in several respects: his 6.2 K/9 and 2.6 BB/9 are improvements over last year, even though he’s allowed more earned runs, and he has even bumped up his groundball rate to 51.3%. Indeed, Turner owns a 4.01 FIP, 3.93 xFIP, and 3.98 SIERA on the season — all career-low marks, and all seemingly in line with a player of his age and former repute. His fastball velocity is on the rise.

Turner’s situation will certainly warrant a close eye. He will, of course, need to pass through waivers to be dealt. One wonders whether Miami perhaps already has its eye on some sort of trade with a high waiver-priority club. (The Rockies, followed by the Cubs, Phillies, and Diamondbacks, currently lead the NL “reverse standings.”) It is hard to imagine the club simply letting him go: not only was Turner the key piece in the deal that sent Anibal Sanchez and Omar Infante to the Tigers two years ago (which also included Flynn), but he came into the season with just 1.033 years of service to his credit and so will not even be arb-eligible until 2016.

It is worth noting that Turner is already out of options and is playing on a MLB contract, which he signed after being chosen ninth overall in the 2009 draft. That deal comes with a $1MM option for next year. It gave Turner the right to opt out of that salary and file for arbitration if eligible after this season, but he won’t have enough service time to qualify. Nevertheless, the lack of an available option does limit his market somewhat, as a team would need to be willing to use both a 40-man and an active roster spot (or try to slip him through outright waivers at an opportune moment).

The fact is, players like Turner have value, even if they have not lived up to expectations. He reached the big leagues at a young age, and it seems that several teams would be willing to hold an active roster spot for him to make a run at harnessing his potential (while reaping the benefits of his low salary and team control). Just last year, the Astros shipped a very similar player in Jordan Lyles — former top prospect, decent peripherals, poor results — to the Rockies (along with Brandon Barnes) to acquire two full seasons of a solid, reasonably affordable MLB center fielder in Dexter Fowler.

On the other hand, Turner is something of an extraneous part for Miami, which has other advanced young arms in its system. (One contributing factor to that assessment, however, is that the team recently added Jarred Cosart via trade.) The club seems to be willing to give up at least some future value to improve its chances in 2014 — the Fish sit six and a half back in the NL East — and it could be that the assessment was already made that he would not warrant a roster spot for the rest of the way or over the offseason. (Of course, if that truly were the case, it would have seemed more likely for Turner to be moved a few days ago.)


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93 Comments on "Marlins Designate Jacob Turner For Assignment"


JMO
1 year 23 days ago

Hey Walt, you awake? Claim him. BP are at the very least

Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
1 year 23 days ago

Wow, this is a big deal.
Turner was a big piece of the Sanchez/Infante deal.
I didn’t think you gave up on someone like this so soon.

Jake13
1 year 23 days ago

Turner was the Sanchez-Infante trade, he was expected to be an ace

elscorcho the marlin
1 year 23 days ago

saw that coming. too bad he had zero trade value. now he will just be picked up by another team on a minor league deal.

Jake13
1 year 23 days ago

I would love to get him back in the Tigers organization, Jeff Jones fixed Scherzer and Porcello, maybe he can re-fix Jacob Turner

elscorcho the marlin
1 year 23 days ago

yeah, they helped sanchez out too

1 year 23 days ago

That would be great considering the horrific lack of depth and young MLB-ready guys at SP in the organization.

Jake13
1 year 23 days ago

Robbie Ray, and Drew VerHagen, but I agree, he would add some nice depth to the team and could figure something out in AAA

1 year 23 days ago

I don’t really have confidence in either of those two. Figure if you add Turner, I’d rather roll the dice with three than two.

Barry2
1 year 23 days ago

I hope so too but I doubt he will make to the Tigers.

Jake13
1 year 23 days ago

Wow, this guy was supposed to be a Justin Verlander clone years back, does this mean any team can claim him now?

twins33
1 year 23 days ago

Believe it works the same way as usual. NL teams get the first crack and then if no one claims him there then the AL teams get the next crack.

NomarGarciaparra
1 year 23 days ago

I thought usual claim order was in reverse order of standings?

ukJaysfan
1 year 23 days ago

NL teams in reverse order of standings, then AL teams in reverse order of standings is the procedure I believe.

twins33
1 year 23 days ago

Yes. I assumed that was known, which is why I didn’t mention it.

Turner is in the NL so he’ll go through NL teams first. If no one wants him in the NL, then it goes the same way in the AL.

1 year 23 days ago

No guys. Outright waivers are different, if that’s what they’re using here. Only special waivers in Aug and Sept go through two leagues separately. For 10 months, waivers go from worst record to best. Prior season’s record is used until May 1st each year.

Chris Lattier
1 year 23 days ago

Cubs make a deal please….

DingLayGorFe
1 year 23 days ago

I was thinking the same thing. Don’t worry Cubs like to buy low.

Cosmo3
1 year 23 days ago

As long as the Rockies don’t claim him, Cubs should be a no brainer. He’s a perfect fit, and they can still keep him at the big league level for now.

Glad they didn’t trade Garza for him a few years back.

bigbadjohnny
1 year 23 days ago

It was Soriano or Marmol back then …Garza name never came up.

Brv Rocks
1 year 23 days ago

Wow. I know he has been struggling but that is surprising. I would love to see the Braves take a chance on him. He’s just the type of pitcher that Roger McDowell can work his magic on.

JMO
1 year 23 days ago

Jocketty, CLAIM HIM or make a move in order to acquire him. Bryan Price and Ted Power can fix him.

Phillies_Aces35
1 year 23 days ago

Any rebuilding team (i.e. the Phillies, Cubs, Astros, etc) should take a chance on an arm like his.

flyerzfan12
flyerzfan12
1 year 23 days ago

don’t tell Ruben the Phillies are rebuilding

Joe
1 year 23 days ago

There is no way that he is still in the Marlins organization after the 10 days are up.

Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
1 year 23 days ago

I would even pay his full salary, I would think he’s worth the gamble.

WashingtonRancors
1 year 23 days ago

Someone will surely put in a claim. Few organizations would DFA Turner despite his recent struggles but Miami has enviable pitching depth in the minors.

Ruben Diaz
1 year 23 days ago

I Hope Theo claim him

Karkat
1 year 23 days ago

Rockies are the only ones who can get in the way of that

SwingtimeInTheRockies
1 year 23 days ago

It would be smart for the Rox to claim Turner. So – no chance.

Dynasty22
1 year 23 days ago

This is a talent that you probably have to trade for to get.

TRAPstar
1 year 23 days ago

Turner will not reach a playoff team. Cubs or Mets will take a flier on this kid. He is talented

Karkat
1 year 23 days ago

So, question. Let’s say the Cubs claim him and they can’t work out a deal. Since he’s DFA’d, they can’t just “pull him back,” right? What happens then?

First Bleed
1 year 23 days ago

I could be wrong but since he hasn’t reached six years of service, he wouldn’t be on ‘revocable waivers’ – just normal waivers. Meaning he can be traded to any team but if they don’t reach an agreement he can decline the assignment, making him a minor league free agent. Then he can sign with any team and still be controlled.

Karkat
1 year 23 days ago

I forget how DFAs work in August, but I was pretty sure the whole waiver thing had to happen for a trade still?

DippityDoo
1 year 23 days ago

I believe you’re allowed to “pull him back” once. If you place a player on waivers a second time he can’t be recalled. Only I’m unclear what the specific impact of that is, if a team claims the second time and no deal gets worked out then what happens? I’ve been reading Jayson Starks know your waiver rules and its giving me more questions.

Karkat
1 year 23 days ago

I know how typical August trade waivers work, but I don’t know in what way the DFA complicates things, which is what I was asking about.

DippityDoo
1 year 23 days ago

Oh, but I thought DFA was just a precursor to being placed on waivers, which must happen for a player to be traded, and the same rules we pay attention to in August for trades are in effect year round on DFA players?

Mark
1 year 23 days ago

DFA isn’t revocable. Also, if he somehow does clear waivers, he would be sent to AAA.

jalcorn427
1 year 23 days ago

A DFA is irrevocable. This is not the August trade waiver scenario. He will certainly be leaving Miami for little (if they can find a trade taker and he clears waivers) or nothing in return.

TRAPstar
1 year 23 days ago

I have a gut feeling that the Marlins want to trade him to an AL Team but thought he wouldn’t get through waivers, so now since he is off the 40 man he won’t need to clear waivers?

1 year 23 days ago

He has to clear waivers to be traded after the deadline. He has to clear waivers to be reassigned, either to the minors (outright) or to be released, at any time of year.

twins33
1 year 23 days ago

I think this would be a smart claim by any team. Doesn’t hurt to try. Hope the Twins try, but I have a feeling he won’t make it out of the NL.

TRAPstar
1 year 23 days ago

especially by any teams not in the hunt. But he won’t make it out of the NL

Adrian Garcia
1 year 23 days ago

Colletti really needs to get on this one

TRAPstar
1 year 23 days ago

Scott Van Slyke for Jacob Turner…just an idea to help fix Dodgers glut of OF’s

Adrian Garcia
1 year 23 days ago

that doesn’t do anything actually

Adrian Garcia
1 year 23 days ago

considering Ethier and Crawford absolutely can’t hit lefties

Shane Flannagan
1 year 23 days ago

I will be disappointed if the Cubs don’t consider trying to claim Turner. If I remember right they were targeting him in a trade that was around Matt Garza. No risk, high reward claim if they can get him

frontdeskmike
1 year 23 days ago

This is another example of how prospects can be over-valued.

dc21892
1 year 23 days ago

Prime example why teams need to stop protecting their prospects so much. Most of these guys involved in big trades never pan out, yet teams refuse to move them for proven major leaguers.

norah
1 year 23 days ago

A lot of Seattle Mariners fans will probably disagree. Derek Lowe, Jason Varitek, Adam Jones, Asdrubal Cabrera, Shin-Soo Choo, even Jose Cruz Jr. And David Ortiz if you go back far enough.

TheRealRyan
1 year 23 days ago

It looks like they kept or traded for all of the wrong prospects. Here are other top 100 prospects for the Mariners in that time frame; Montero, Hultzen, Ackley, Smoak, Moore, Halman, Triunfel, Aumont, Clement, Nageotte, Blackley, Lopez, Snelling, Anderson, Perez and Christianson.

Ray Ray
1 year 23 days ago

The jury is still out on some of those guys and you kind of have to excuse Halman since he was murdered and all.

East Coast Bias
1 year 23 days ago

There are countless “prime examples” on both sides of the argument. Sorry, you don’t win on one example alone.

timpa
1 year 23 days ago

There was someone who ranked players based on where they landed on BA’s list.
If they never achieved 1.50 or better WAR in a season they were considered a bust.
If they achieved a 1.50 to 2.49 WAR in a season it was a success and if they achieved a 2.50 WAR or better in a season they were considered a major success.

Players who hit #1 to #10 status on BA had a 45.0% bust rate, a 55% success rate(and a 35.1% major success rate).
Players who hit #11 to #20 status on BA had a 50.0% bust rate, a 50.0% success rate(and a 30.7% major success rate).

Once you get outside the top-20 it drops drastically. Players in the #21 to #30 had a 70.0% bust rate, a 30.0% success rate(and a 16.4% major success rate)

Pitchers were much more likely to bust, have a lower success and major success rate than position players.

Pitchers in the top-20 had a 60% bust rate, while position players in the top-20 had a 40% bust rate. The overall bust rate for pitchers outside the top-20 was 75-80%.

I believe this was done off of a decade of BA top-100 lists as of maybe 2007 or 2008.

TheRealRyan
1 year 23 days ago

It is a great article that I feel should almost be mandatory reading for anyone on this site. The work was done by Scott McKinney for royals review and goes to show you just how fickle prospects really are.