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Blake Snell, Jacob deGrom Win Cy Young Awards

By Steve Adams | November 14, 2018 at 5:52pm CDT

Rays left-hander Blake Snell and Mets right-hander Jacob deGrom have won the Cy Young Awards in their respective leagues, the Baseball Writers Association of America announced on Wednesday night.

Blake Snell | Kim Klement-USA TODAY Sports

Snell received 17 of the 30 first-place votes, with the other 13 first-place nods going to Astros ace Justin Verlander. In the end, Snell narrowly edged out Verlander on the weighted ballot system, with 169 total points to Verlander’s 154. Cleveland’s Corey Kluber finished a distant third, followed by Chris Sale, Gerrit Cole, Trevor Bauer, Blake Treinen, Edwin Diaz and Luis Severino, in that order (full voting breakdown here).

As for deGrom, his closest competition was Washington right-hander Max Scherzer, though in the end, voting didn’t prove to be close. DeGrom toppled Scherzer in a landslide, taking home 29 of the 30 first-place votes (with Scherzer securing the other). Philadelphia’s Aaron Nola and Colorado’s Kyle Freeland finished third and fourth, while Patrick Corbin, Miles Mikolas, Josh Hader, Mike Foltynewicz and Jon Lester rounded out the voting (full breakdown here).

Snell, a former top prospect, broke out in his first full season as a big leaguer and thrust himself into the ranks of the elite with a dominant 2018 campaign. The No. 52 overall pick by Tampa Bay back in 2011, Snell solidified himself as an MLB-caliber starter last season with 24 starts of 4.04 ERA ball, but he overpowered opponents in 2018, pitching to a 1.89 ERA with 11.0 K/9 against 3.2 BB/9 in 31 starts. His 180 1/3 innings trailed Verlander’s 214, but Snell’s per-inning dominance proved to be enough for him to take home tonight’s hardware. No pitcher in baseball tallied more than Snell’s 21 victories.

Looking forward, while the Rays are more experimental with pitching roles than any club in the league, there’s little doubt that Snell will be handled like a traditional front-of-the-rotation workhorse. Soon to turn 26, Snell is under club control for four more seasons and won’t even reach arbitration eligibility until next winter. One can only imagine that the Rays would love to lock Snell up to a long-term pact, but a historically dominant campaign has unequivocally raised the asking price for the newest Tampa Bay ace.

Jacob deGrom

DeGrom has received Cy Young votes in two prior seasons but had never finished in the top five. With an MLB-best 1.70 ERA, 11.2 K/9 and 1.9 BB/9 in 217 innings this past season. deGrom can now add a Cy Young trophy to a list of accolades that also includes 2014 Rookie of the Year honors and a pair of All-Star nods.

The Cy Young victory for deGrom only further serves as a data point that voters have increasingly moved away from placing any real value on a pitcher’s win-loss record when assessing his value; for all of his individual dominance in 2018, deGrom received virtually no run support and was saddled with a 10-9 record that was far from indicative of his consistent excellence.

His future is a bit less certain than that of tonight’s co-winner, as deGrom is under the Mets’ control for only another two seasons. While he’s previously expressed interest in signing a long-term deal with the Mets, deGrom’s agent, Brodie Van Wagenen, was the surprising pick to be named the new general manager of the Mets. He’ll need to determine a new representative before any extension talks can begin in earnest, as Van Wagenen has fully severed ties to all clients and all duties from his former agency, CAA Baseball.

For the time being, deGrom will take his Cy Young season to the negotiating table in arbitration as he negotiates what should be a sizable raise over 2018’s $7.4MM salary. MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects deGrom to earn $12.9MM this winter.

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  1. RedRooster

    7 years ago

    Who’s the one clown that voted Scherzer for first place?

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    • Steve Adams

      7 years ago

      John Maffei, San Diego Union-Tribune. Individual ballots can be viewed on the BBWAA website (under the “full breakdown” links provided in the post).

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      • RedRooster

        7 years ago

        So the writer from my team? That’s embarrassing.

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        • troll

          7 years ago

          you own the padres?

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        • darkstar61

          7 years ago

          Funny thing?

          Scherzer didn’t even face the Padres this season, while deGrom dominated them twice (15.1 IP, 1.17 ERA, 0.976 WHIP)

          So the decisions not even influenced by San Diego games anecdotal evidence

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        • jkurk_22

          7 years ago

          He can say that. Don’t be dumb

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        • TJECK109

          7 years ago

          Fantasy baseball

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        • jleve618

          7 years ago

          I can’t stand when people criticize that. It’s common nomenclature.

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        • johnnyz123

          7 years ago

          4.00 ERA over last seventy five innings against Japanese ball players.

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    • TeddyBallgameYazJimEd

      7 years ago

      That was the first question I had after reading this…
      Whoever it was should just be plain embarrased ..even as a Red Sox fan and an American League follower I realize deGrom was not just the best pitcher in the National League but in all of baseball.

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      • johnnyz123

        7 years ago

        He has a lifetime 1.35 ERA and 1.10 WHIP. That makes him more than qualified to throw a screwball on the inside near a car wash. He also plays jai-lai.

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    • NotaGM

      7 years ago

      Scherzer is now a clown? hmm led league in many categories. glad you not voter. id trade for him in a heartbeat.

      I guess I’m a troll now for being honest…on stats

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    • LH

      7 years ago

      It’s really not too bad, I would’ve chosen DeGrom, but Max K’ed 300+ this year and dominated nearly every game he pitched again. He’s won it the last two years and had a season on par with those past couple years.

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      • RedRooster

        7 years ago

        Scherzer had himself a cute little season but let’s be honest, this one should have been unanimous.

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  2. Ezra77

    7 years ago

    Chris Sale should have won

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    • c1234

      7 years ago

      He want even a finalist

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    • phantomofdb

      7 years ago

      Sale had a great season. Snell had a better one.

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      • davidcoonce74

        7 years ago

        Sale didn’t even qualify for the ERA title. I agree he was the best pitcher in the AL (besides Edwin DIaz), but there just wasn’t enough there.

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    • lasershow45

      7 years ago

      Not enough innings.

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    • Mattimeo09

      7 years ago

      Sale got beat by Kluber. Again

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      • tomrogic

        7 years ago

        But sale has a ring

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    • thefenwayfaithful 2

      7 years ago

      Even as a Sox fan if Snell didn’t win after the season he put together, I was going to be upset. I drafted Snell very late on my fantasy team and remember saying, “How the heck is Snell still available and why did I let him go for 2 rounds? Was I not paying attention? This guy is going to win a Cy Young one day.”

      No I did not expect it to be 2018, but I was not surprised when he started putting up gem after gem. Stuff-wise, this guy is among the best in the AL. He reminds me of Eovaldi (if you’re also a Sox fan) but with a better repertoire and more movement on his fastball. When the Sox traded for Sale, I mentioned multiple times to turn around and try to get Snell before he became a guy who is untouchable.

      All of this happened a year or 2 faster then I expected, but the end result is no shocker. Well deserved Blake Snell!

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    • johnnyz123

      7 years ago

      Chris Sale bats left-handed though.

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  3. Jimcarlo Slaton

    7 years ago

    Who are the clowns who gave Freeland and Mikolas 3rd place votes.
    Citizens Bank Park is very hitter friendly. I thought Nola might receive a couple 2nd place votes… Most voters still love the ‘K’, it seems.

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    • c1234

      7 years ago

      Whoever gave Lester a vote is a bigger clown

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      • stevewpants

        7 years ago

        Probably same guy that gave maddon a vote in MOY voting

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      • BlueJayFan1515

        7 years ago

        Lester sure didn’t have a bad season, but I agree lol, how is he in the Cy Young voting?

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      • mike127

        7 years ago

        Do you remember when MLB put a kibosh on Tyler Chatwood’s contract because it had an incentive clause that would give him more money if he received a vote for Cy Young. That was the biggest waste of everyone’s time, huh???

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    • bigkempin

      7 years ago

      Nola likely did deserve some 2nd place votes but at the end of the day you can’t really argue with the results. DeGrom was the clear Cy with Scherzer/Nola being the 2A/2B Cy’s. Mikolas was also deserving of a 3rd place vote. After DeGrom/Scherzer you can’t really argue against a few pitchers getting a 3rd place vote.

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  4. turner9

    7 years ago

    I cant believe Cora didn’t beat out Snell. Dont they know the sox won the WS

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    • Meow Meow

      7 years ago

      This comment is beautiful.

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  5. baseballhobo

    7 years ago

    Kate Upton will be complaining any moment now.

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    • RedRooster

      7 years ago

      At least this time Snell actually had a good case. Porcello beating Verlander two years ago was just a mockery.

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      • matt4baseball

        7 years ago

        Sad for Verlander

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        • shoreoriolesfan

          7 years ago

          Yea I think he will sleep pretty well tonight lol

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        • its_happening

          7 years ago

          Maybe not with a newborn. Probably hasn’t slept well since the birth.

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    • Dennid

      7 years ago

      Well played

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  6. MetsYankeesRedSox

    7 years ago

    Great picks!!
    Both earned it.

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  7. HalosHeavenJJ

    7 years ago

    Tremendous years by both men and who I thought deserved the awards. Snell’s second half was simply amazing.

    I wouldn’t have had an issue with Sale winning, either, but in a close competition, I’ll take the guy who put in more work.

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    • JrodFunk5

      7 years ago

      Then the same should apply to Verlander vs Snell. Verlander has now been cheated out of the Cy three times

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      • JrodFunk5

        7 years ago

        On second thought I would’ve voted for Snell too.

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      • kingken67

        7 years ago

        No, Verlander didn’t get cheated. Yes he pitched more innings but had an ERA over half a run higher than Snell. That’s too big a gap to overlook based only on innings pitched.

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        • davidcoonce74

          7 years ago

          ERA yes but not FIP.. Snell got pretty lucky with his defense. (Although I am sanguine about SNell over JV. Snell’s selection isn’t egregious, like Porcello’s was a few years ago)

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      • thefenwayfaithful 2

        7 years ago

        He also got an MVP with numerous position players deserving. I don’t think he’s too broken up about it. His wife is probably more upset.

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  8. RedKing22

    7 years ago

    Very impressive season by Miles Mikolas coming back over from Japan and getting Cy Young votes. Props to him.

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  9. WestCoastSoxFan

    7 years ago

    Wow. The voters got it 100% right.

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  10. forgiveusbillybuck

    7 years ago

    Interesting that TB Chapter writers had Verlander down at 4th and 3rd with their votes. Snell is deserving of their no. 1 picks but points would have been closer.

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    • jjd002

      7 years ago

      What did he do to the Tampa writers because I believe they didn’t even vote for him (or way low) when Porcello stole the award from him?

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    • johnrealtime

      7 years ago

      yeah that’s a shady move to try and make sure snell won. makes a mockery of the voting process

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  11. lasershow45

    7 years ago

    Severino got SCREWED! Always voting against the Yankees!!!!

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    • Bubba 5

      7 years ago

      You’re joking right??

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      • mb22

        7 years ago

        Has to be a joke .. Severino was legitimately the worst SP in baseball for two months of the season after getting off to a ridiculous start .. if the season ended in June, he’d have won it

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      • xabial

        7 years ago

        Litmus test:

        ROY He wanted Ohtani over Andujar

        Ofc he’s joking! 🙂

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      • lasershow45

        7 years ago

        Man I’m a Red Sox fan! Of course I’m kidding!

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    • snotrocket

      7 years ago

      Snell was better in every measurable way.

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    • Gordon Shumwhey

      7 years ago

      Andujar should have won CY Young, but MLB is biased against the Yankees as usual! 27 RINGS BRO!!!

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  12. WestCoastSoxFan

    7 years ago

    Wow, Chris Sale has finished 6th, or better, in all 7 seasons where he’s been in MLB.

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    • ChiSoxCity

      7 years ago

      White Sox should have gotten more for Sale.

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      • jleve618

        7 years ago

        Maybe the red sox could have thrown in some stock options.

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  13. metseventually 2

    7 years ago

    jake.

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    • Blah blah blah

      7 years ago

      DeGrom.

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  14. heater

    7 years ago

    Both most deserving! Glad to see that an award for individual performance was given for just that instead of the old “well his team didn’t make the playoffs” thinking. Both guys fun to watch.

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    • Danny B.

      7 years ago

      Agreed.

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  15. matt4baseball

    7 years ago

    Congrats to Snellzilla, All at 26 yrs and he’s only going to get better. As a Rays fan I hope we don’t trade him now.

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    • Joeypower

      7 years ago

      Sooner than later! Lol

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  16. jdgoat

    7 years ago

    Did Chatwood get his CY young vote that gives him an increase in incentives?

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    • stoth15

      7 years ago

      this is too funny

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  17. Danny B.

    7 years ago

    Whomever that moron was that didn’t vote for DeGrom, should be fired for stupidity.

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    • hiflew

      7 years ago

      Even if you want to discount wins, which is weird considering the award is named after the guys with the most wins, Scherzer outdid him in strikeouts by a hefty margin. It should have been a whole lot closer. There are more stats than just ERA.

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      • Danny B.

        7 years ago

        Yea because getting 31 more K’s qualifies a pitcher to get a cy young vote. DeGrom outdid Max is many categories. Better ERA, opponent OPS. Scherzer allowed 13 more HR’s then DeGrom did. DeGrom had 29 straight quality starts to end the season, an MLB all time record, Scherzer never came close to that to streak. Should have been unanimous.

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        • AmaralFan1

          7 years ago

          DeGrom and Scherzer both had 28 quality starts in 2018. They tied for the MLB lead.

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        • DodgerBlue83

          7 years ago

          29 consecutive games allowing 3 ERs or less. Twice he didn’t reach the minimum innings to qualify for a qualjty start.

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        • AmaralFan1

          7 years ago

          So 28 quality starts.

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        • hiflew

          7 years ago

          Why bother getting facts correct as long as they are popular. Seem a perfect response for America in 2018.

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      • baseball1600

        7 years ago

        But there’s no way Scherzer was better than DeGrom. Even if he had a couple of stats where he was better in, DeGrom dominated all of the NL offenses with ease. You’re a fool to call Scherzers season as good as or better than DeGroms.

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        • hiflew

          7 years ago

          Just because I disagree with you does not mean I am a fool. Perhaps you should look into the benefits of making an argument without insulting your opponent.

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      • darkstar61

        7 years ago

        There are more stats than just Wins and K’s too

        deGrom had the 2nd lowest FIP of the last 30 years (below just 1999 Pedro)

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        • hiflew

          7 years ago

          Then I guess we need to rename the award. Cy Young is remembered for being the wins leader, not the FIP leader. I guess we can just call it the Millennial Participation Award since it doesn’t really matter if you win or not as long as you have fun and look good.

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        • metfan4ever

          7 years ago

          YES, you get it HIFLEW. WIN THE GAME.

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        • deSynmatzvey

          7 years ago

          the award is given to the best pitcher in each league. deGrom was easily the best pitcher in the National League. deGrom won the Cy Young award.

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        • jdgoat

          7 years ago

          How are you possibly going to punish pitchers hiflew for things that are out of their control? Degrom just had one of the best seasons in recent memory, but since he played on a bad team, he’s automatically not allowed to win Cy Young unless he hits four homers himself?

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        • darkstar61

          7 years ago

          hiflew,

          So best pitcher = not deserving

          But pitcher who saw his team score the most runs for him allowing him to get Wins = should win

          Seems silly and pointless to base the award off how good his team’s hitters are, but whatever

          So your 2018 NL awards should be Scherzer & Miles Mikolas as co-CY winners then

          And last year in the AL it should have been Kluber, Carrasco & Jason Vargas all sharing the award

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        • davidcoonce74

          7 years ago

          Wins are a team stat. Maybe we should just have a “wins” award for pitchers. It wouldn’t mean anything. Lits of pitchers have led the league in wins without being particularly good.

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  18. imgman09

    7 years ago

    I like DeGrom but he Pitched No meaningful Games,that’s why Scherzer got votes,just saying and don’t care.Hey a least somebody on the Mets is worth something,LoL

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    • bucketbrew35

      7 years ago

      Hate to break it to you but Scherzer didn’t pitch any meaningful games either. The Nats were underachieving dogsh*t all year.

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  19. xabial

    7 years ago

    Scherzer lost but he’s still Hall of Fame career.

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    • Danny B.

      7 years ago

      No denying that but DeGrom is still the better pitcher.

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      • elscorchot

        7 years ago

        This year

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    • Harry pness

      7 years ago

      You post generic comments that everyone agrees w/ that isn’t necessary to be commented on. Do us a favor and stop looking for upvotes. Go get yourself an Instagram if you want people to “like” your stuff

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      • xabial

        7 years ago

        I’m fan of Scherzer and wanted him to win. Or at least have closer race. I take solace in the fact, he’s got the HOF thing going for him

        Just once wish I could post without getting attack

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        • Harry pness

          7 years ago

          Who “TF” is denying scherzer is not a HOFer?? You are the most annoying person on here and is on the same tier as Casey’s sidekick. Lol at you for having more than one account

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        • Harry pness

          7 years ago

          How many times do you edit your posts. Over or under 10

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        • xabial

          7 years ago

          How many times are you off topic putting all this energy into actively hating someone in a comment section? Over or under 10

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        • Harry pness

          7 years ago

          Just you: over 10. Deservingly so. Everyone else on here is cool, they aren’t on here commenting on every. single. post.

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        • baseball1600

          7 years ago

          Lol couldn’t agree more Harry. There’s almost no point in his comments. Either it’s utter stupidity or blatantly obvious statements that everyone can agree with. Just no point in acknowledging most of his comments.

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        • Harry pness

          7 years ago

          He just wants to be liked by the internet people!

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        • 3rdStrikeLooking

          7 years ago

          Harry, I laughed out loud!! And upvoted!!! (In the middle of slapping random down votes to chatty cathy)

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        • 3rdStrikeLooking

          7 years ago

          Hilarious!

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        • Harry pness

          7 years ago

          Next xabial will say miggy is a HOFer on a discussion topic of the rule 5 draft for the tigers

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        • baseball1600

          7 years ago

          Will probably talk about how the Yankees are a playoff team when they sign Corbin.

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        • Hit4me

          7 years ago

          You sound like a real winner who trolls others to get people on the internet to like them. Registered just to down vote you.

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        • xabial

          7 years ago

          Hit4me, Whatever you say Harry

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        • baseball1600

          7 years ago

          Well looks like xabials alt army has 1 more name added to its list.

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        • Harry pness

          7 years ago

          Lol i love the internet. At least he referred me as a real winner. His mother, looking at his web history, would be proud he didn’t use any curse words

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        • SixFlagsMagicPadres

          7 years ago

          Thank you for pointing out the antics of a troll. This guy’s pointless posts just to get likes are always very annoying to see, especially since they are in virtually every article.

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        • xabial

          7 years ago

          I don’t think you know the meaning of “troll”

          You’re the guy who said he only posts in Padres’ articles because of trolls, and you’re contributing to their cause. Hmu when Padres get out of perpetual mediocrity (Thats trolling)

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        • Harry pness

          7 years ago

          Xabial your 5th account “Hit4me” just had a ratio 1:9. Don’t cry too loud. Your mother, aka roommate, will hear ya and think your beating off

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        • c1234

          7 years ago

          Harry, he’s probably going on to his alts asap now so the ratio doesn’t look too bad

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        • xabial

          7 years ago

          Most bizarre wierdest thing anybody has ever had a problem with me here:

          “Posting obvious posts for likes.”

          That’s like telling somebody you hate them cuz you agree with opinion. Get bent or banned

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        • baseball1600

          7 years ago

          All you do is restate the article, add a few extra words, and post it. And it happens every single day. I haven’t gone a day without seeing your name pop up somewhere with generic posts that have no meaning or insight. Whenever you do try and make a point, you just like dumb and cause outrage in the comment section. Many have just accepted that you’re a troll, constantly doing the same thing over and over again on a daily basis. You’re the meme of MLBTR.

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        • xabial

          7 years ago

          Get over yourself. Nowhere did Steve say Scherzer was a HOF in this post. contribute nothing, and think your opinion is everything

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        • baseball1600

          7 years ago

          Wow! The article didn’t state the Scherzer has had a HOF career! I’m so glad you brought it upon us and shared it, as if no one already knew. How about you get over yourself, troll.

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        • baseball1600

          7 years ago

          How long until more “commenters” register just to downvote any of xabials critics. I’ll give it 10 minutes.

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        • xabial

          7 years ago

          Yea Scherzer’s a special talent and the 29 of the 30 first-place votes didn’t do him justice. Restating he’s HOF so he gets more love, he’s one of my favorite players, hope he wins a ring

          Have no clue why you guys are infatuated with likes and dislikes. U Only ones who bring it up

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        • 3rdStrikeLooking

          7 years ago

          What part of stfu dont you understand? Need something in parenthesis??

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        • baseball1600

          7 years ago

          Here’s an example of Xabials utter stupidity. Has Scherzer not won several Cy Young’s before? Is it injustice to give votes to the SP with far better stats? If anything, this was a down year for Scherzer considering his previous years of dominance. This wouldn’t qualify as even a top 3 season for him.

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        • Harry pness

          7 years ago

          “Restating he’s HOF so he gets more love”

          Because career stats are factored into a season award race?

          Que the billy madison moderator line

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  20. DarkSide830

    7 years ago

    Harding needs to have his voting ability removed. No reason to have voted Lester 4th simply because he had 18 wins.

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  21. Harry pness

    7 years ago

    Both deserving

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    • xabial

      7 years ago

      And I’m the one who posts “generic comments”?

      Just stop replying to my posts. We get you don’t like me.

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      • jd396

        7 years ago

        They have pallets of generic posts on sale at Costco this month.

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        • jrwhite21

          7 years ago

          good looks, jd

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      • 3rdStrikeLooking

        7 years ago

        Stfu.

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      • Harry pness

        7 years ago

        Xabial your mother won’t like seeing her roommate lashing out on the internet

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  22. imindless

    7 years ago

    Now trout for mvp, if voting has shown playoffs dont matter or impact players performance.

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    • NOPelicanFangirl696969

      7 years ago

      This is the one time i side with the sox, betts deserves mvp this year

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      • xabial

        7 years ago

        This. Or JD if he won the triple crown.

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        • andrewf

          7 years ago

          So Miggy deserved to be MVP over Trout in 2012? Lack of defense and baserunning wasn’t all that important for you. Part 1 is ok

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        • jjd002

          7 years ago

          He still wouldn’t deserve it, just like Miggy didn’t deserve it over Trout.

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        • warboner

          7 years ago

          JD only if he wins 2 triple crowns

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  23. BronxBomber7

    7 years ago

    Now why couldnt these writers get ROY right? MOY and Cy Young? Perfect votings. ROY? Clown show.

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  24. jd396

    7 years ago

    Seems like Snell over Verlander is one of the closer voting results we’ve had recently.

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    • baseball1600

      7 years ago

      Porcello over Verlander was a lot closer. And more bs.

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      • xabial

        7 years ago

        Someone else already made this comment above. Please stop w/ blatant obvious posts for likes.

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  25. metfan4ever

    7 years ago

    I’m a Met fan and used to pitch. How does a pitcher win a cy young when on the same team you have a 13 & 4 pitcher, a 12 &a 7 pitcher(who won 9 in a row) with the same line up & the 10 & 9 guy wins a cy young. A pitcher Wins Games or loses games(except for errors). It’s the same line up, same team. It’s attitude. How come the other teams pitchers don’t give up runs when deGrom pitchs. Why do the Same hitters hit for Thor & Wheeler But not for deGrom. It’s attitude

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    • HubcapDiamondStarHalo

      7 years ago

      Ah, so you and a writer from San Diego are the two people in the world who didn’t think deGrom should win.

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    • petrie000

      7 years ago

      You can pitch terribly and still ‘win’, and pitch great and lose… Because it all comes down to who gets the most run support on average… Wins as a stat has little to do with the pitcher himself

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      • metfan4ever

        7 years ago

        1 or A few game ya but Thor pitches right after deGrom, so most of the time it’s the same team the Mets are playing against, with the same line up, and there is a big difference from 4 loses to 9. And run support- It’s the same Met Hitters. Which superstar hits for Thor/Wheeler that doesn’t play when deGrom pitches. It’s game management. Same bullpen–the same team and 2 other pitchers win(Thor/Wheeler) has a better win lose. Do you care if you win 1 to 0 or 11 to 10.

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    • xSpecBx

      7 years ago

      Some of it depends on who they play against. What was the average runs per game scored by the Mets when DeGrom was pitching? Im guessing it was pretty low. And just because a team scores 15 runs one game doesn’t mean they’re going to do the same thing the following game.

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      • metfan4ever

        7 years ago

        If it a few game yes but 4 loses to 9 loses. What do the Met Hitter do for Thor that they can’t do for deGrom. And is it something deGrom does that makes that happen—have you ever pitched, I pitched in college. Nola pitches in a hitter park-that should could for something-DeGrom doesn’t pitch in a hitter park, same one that Thor/Wheeler pitch in.

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        • a dawg

          7 years ago

          If the Mets score 2 runs in every degrom start he’d be a 20 game winner

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    • Out of place Met fan

      7 years ago

      Well a very oversimplified answer, (and as a “former pitcher” I am sure you already know) rotations generally line up. So the best pitchers are typically squaring off against one another. So while deGrom faces Nola, Wheeler vs Velasquez isn’t generally going to lead to the same run suppression.

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      • metfan4ever

        7 years ago

        Out of place- 1)that doesn’t happen for a full season, 2)but teams like the,Marlins(play them 18 times)/pitt/cinn/atl(18 times)/cubs/sf/sd/col don’t have a Nolan 3) nats/la/az have 2 very good pitchers. 4) Nola/scherer also would be faces #1s(going by what you posted) It should translate into more than 10 wins

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    • kodion

      7 years ago

      You used to pitch.
      Just an example: Start. Go 7+ innings, 3 hits, no runs, get taken out. Your “relief” allows 3 runs to tie the game, but get the final out before the offense walks it off. The reliever who got the last out ends up getting credit for your win.
      Does that work for you?
      If you can’t see past wins and losses, you might want to try reading more of the details in the articles, or in the links they contain, posted on this site.

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      • metfan4ever

        7 years ago

        kodion—Thor/wheeler have the SAME relief pitchers coming in for them & they have more wins. No I can’t get past win/loses. With what you post we should still have harvey. Did the red Sox win a W/S because of 7 innings. And if relievers are not closing out his games but closing out Thor/Wheeler games then again it maybe something deGrom does that makes it that way-it’s the same releivers. Also what great bullpen do Nola/Scherzer have does that work for you

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  26. dboas123

    7 years ago

    both pitchers earn their Cy Young awards. They played on teams with terrible offense and never wavered from the job they signed to do.

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    • warboner

      7 years ago

      the Rays had an average offense, not terrible

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  27. carlos15

    7 years ago

    Verlander finishing that close to Snell is a joke. Snell should have gotten every first place vote.

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    • metfan4ever

      7 years ago

      Every time Verlander pitches the other team is up for it, when Tampa comes to town, the other team is not as up. It’s called playing to your competition.

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    • Kennon Riley

      7 years ago

      Verlander had superior statistics in virtually everything except ERA and HR/9. Verlander even had a lower FIP/xFIP than Snell. It’s a joke that Snell received as many first place votes as he did.

      I’m more intrigued at how Gerrit Cole/Corey Kluber didn’t get a single first place vote. I didn’t think it should have been a two-horse race, but so be it.

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  28. simschifan

    7 years ago

    Whenever I see Blake Snell I always think of how much he looks like Jay Baruchel

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  29. Ejemp2006

    7 years ago

    Am I counting right? Did Verlander get left off a ballot again? Also, in an argument against Snell, the Rays always take him out before he faces the lineup a third time so his stats are inflated. Snell also pitches in the Trop which gives the biggest home field advantage in the majors.

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  30. Danny B.

    7 years ago

    Let me make this clear before I provide this hypothetical, I DO NOT want to trade DeGrom. Now, with a cy young in hand, would it be smart for the Mets to capitalize on his success and trade him for Kris Bryant & Javier Baez? The Cubs wouldn’t say no to the best pitcher in baseball.

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    • metfan4ever

      7 years ago

      Cubs will not give both up.

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    • simschifan

      7 years ago

      By giving up half of their actual offensive contributors? Yes they would say no, it would be like him going to the Mets part two

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  31. Steve_gravy

    7 years ago

    Good for them both. Glad to see new players winning. For deGrom I feel like it is overdue.

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  32. butch779988

    7 years ago

    They got both of these right this time.

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  33. LH

    7 years ago

    DeGrom deserves it but nobody in the league plays harder than Max Scherzer. Most fun player to watch in the League in my opinion.

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  34. Kennon Riley

    7 years ago

    It’s interesting that the only thing that mattered in this year’s AL Cy Young ballot was ERA.

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  35. GrandpaBaseball

    7 years ago

    Max deserved the CY Award IMHO. No disrespect for DeGrom but wins is what really counts, not ERA or any other stats. What a shame the Cyber Geeks are taking over. 5 to 6 innings a game is weak at best, give a team 4 guys that pitch 200 innings plus and are winners then you’ll see the team make the playoffs.

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