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Rangers Acquire Max Scherzer From Mets

By Darragh McDonald | July 29, 2023 at 11:59pm CDT

The Rangers and Mets have agreed to a trade that will see the star right-hander Max Scherzer head to Texas, with prospect Luisangel Acuña heading the other way. The Mets are paying down all but $22.5MM of the remaining money owed to Scherzer, who will waive his no-trade clause. He will also trigger his player option for 2024, forgoing his opt-out opportunity.

The Mets signed Scherzer to a three-year, $130MM deal going into the 2022 season, as part of a high-spending strategy aimed at contention. The first year generally went well, as the Mets won 101 games with Scherzer contributing 23 starts of 2.29 ERA ball. This year hasn’t been nearly as successful, however, as the Mets have slumped to 49-54 and 6.5 games out of a playoff spot. It seems they have accepted the fact that they have to do some selling, having already flipped David Robertson to the Marlins.

That’s also come with diminished results from Scherzer, who has posted an ERA of 4.01 this year, working around a 10-game sticky stuff suspension earlier in the season. His strikeouts have dipped this season, with his 27.3% rate representing his lowest since 2011.

With the Mets struggling, it’s led to speculation about how they would react. Impending free agents like Robertson, Tommy Pham and others seemed like natural trade candidates, but Scherzer’s situation was more complicated. As mentioned, he had a full no-trade clause and would need to agree to any deal. It was reported in June that he was willing to waive that clause under certain circumstances, though without concrete information about what it would take for him to do so.

Further complicating matters was Scherzer’s ability to opt out of the final year of his deal, leaving $43.33MM on the table. Some sources describe this as a player option, though the situation is the same either way, with Scherzer getting to decide whether to become a free agent or not. He spoke about his situation earlier this week, saying that he’s “not going to be a free agent” and “can see a path to contend next year” with the Mets. Though he also said he would speak with the front office about the club’s direction.

He’s still owed just under $15MM for the remainder of this season, on top of the $43.33MM for next year, a total just north of $58MM. Whatever return the Rangers were willing to send to the Mets might have taken a different shape if they were to view Scherzer as a rental or a pickup for a year and a half with a massive salary. They reportedly wanted Scherzer to lock in that 2024 season, which he has now apparently done.

Since the Mets are paying down all but $22.5MM, that means they’re eating more than $35MM in this deal. The Mets have shown a tendency to eat money in trades in order to maximize returns, such as sending Eduardo Escobar to the Angels and James McCann to the Orioles, and have done so here.

The Rangers have been clearly looking for starting pitching recently, having been connected to Lance Lynn, Jack Flaherty, Jordan Montgomery, Eduardo Rodriguez, Shohei Ohtani, Justin Verlander and Scherzer. They have had a couple of rotation setbacks this year, most notably the loss of Jacob deGrom. He was signed to a five-year, $185MM guarantee in the offseason but required Tommy John surgery in June, putting him out for the remainder of this year and some of 2024 as well. They also lost Jake Odorizzi to a season-ending shoulder surgery.

The club has operated for most of the season with a rotation of Nathan Eovaldi, Jon Gray, Martín Pérez and Andrew Heaney, with Dane Dunning stepping in for deGrom. The results from that group have been varied, with Eovaldi’s 2.69 ERA the lowest and Pérez the highest at 4.91. Dunning is at 3.28 but with a 15.5% strikeout rate that’s well below league average. Since his .269 batting average on balls in play and 77.5% strand rate are on the lucky side, his 4.26 FIP and 4.88 SIERA suggest he’s skirted around some runs. He’s the only member of the rotation with options and could perhaps wind up in the minors as depth, though he’s also worked out of the bullpen before. Additionally, Eovaldi is dealing with some elbow soreness, per Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News. He’s not going on the IL yet but his scheduled start is being pushed back. Although Scherzer’s not having his best season, he would still be an upgrade for that group. By sticking around for 2024, he will also help them cover for Pérez becoming a free agent, with deGrom potentially returning later in the year.

The Rangers are currently 60-44 and hold a two-game lead over the Astros in the American League West, with the third-place Angels aggressively pursuing upgrades as well. The Rangers haven’t made the postseason since 2016, which was also the last time they finished above .500. They’ve shown a willingness to be very aggressive in recent years as they look to get out of that spiral, giving out huge deals to players like Corey Seager and Marcus Semien, as well as the aforementioned starting pitchers. They’ve already bolstered their bullpen by acquiring Aroldis Chapman and now have made a massive move for their rotation.

It was reported this week that the club would be open to surpassing the $233MM base threshold of the luxury tax for Verlander, though it remains to be seen if they will do the same for Scherzer. Roster Resource currently lists their CBT figure at $224MM, or $9MM below the line. Assuming the $22.5MM they are paying Scherzer is evenly distributed between now and the end of next year, they’ll be adding just under $6MM to that. That will leave them shy of the line for now but further moves could tip the scales.

In order to obtain Scherzer’s services, the club has parted with Acuña. The 21-year-old shortstop is the younger brother of Atlanta’s superstar outfielder Ronald Acuña Jr. Signed out of Venezuela in 2018, he has climbed through the minor league ranks to reach Double-A. In 84 games at that level this year, he’s hitting .315/.377/.453 for a wRC+ of 121 while stealing 42 bases. Baseball America currently lists him at the #87 prospect in the league while FanGraphs has him at #56. BA suspects he’ll have to move to second base eventually but that he could be a solid regular there.

As for the Mets, this could perhaps give some hint as to how far they are willing to go in trading from this year’s roster in order to acquire help for future seasons. They’ve already traded Robertson and could shop other impending free agents like Pham and Carlos Carrasco. Mark Canha and Brooks Raley could also make sense, though they are pure rentals since the club has options for 2024. Omar Narváez and Adam Ottavino have player options for 2024. José Quintana’s contract runs through 2024 and he has received some trade interest.

The bigger fish, though, is Verlander. He just signed a two-year deal in the offseason that pays him $43.33MM per year, matching Scherzer’s salary, with a conditional $35MM option for 2025 as well. Like Scherzer, he also has a full no-trade clause and said just a few days ago that the club hadn’t yet approached him about waiving it. But it was later reported that the club would only approach the players about their clauses after finding workable trade packages, which seems to have been the case in this Scherzer deal.

Images courtesy of USA Today Sports.

Michael Schwab of Juice Box Journal first reported that the Rangers had a deal in place for Scherzer, contingent on him waiving his no-trade clause. Andy Martino of Steve Gelbs of SNY relayed that Scherzer would waive his clause, but that the financial components of the deal weren’t complete. Jon Heyman of The New York Post first reported on Acuña’s inclusion in the deal, as well as the fact that the Rangers wanted him to forego his opt-out at season’s end and that the deal was done. Martino relayed the financials while Jeff Passan of ESPN reported that Scherzer will trigger in his 2024 option, with Heyman adding that he’ll receive some additional amenities for doing so.

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  1. rct

    2 years ago

    If they’re going to trade one of Scherzer and Verlander, I hope it’s Scherzer. At times he’s looked great but very often he looks cooked.

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      2 years ago

      Yeah. Scherzer’s the worse of the two. He’s also come up short in almost every big game for the Metsies.

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      • rct

        2 years ago

        Don’t remind me!

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        • padam

          2 years ago

          Well, he gets to pitch with DeGrom agai…

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        • Mattimeo09

          2 years ago

          I’m not a Mets fan. But even I winced at that. Ouch

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        • padam

          2 years ago

          They would get Acuna’s little brother in the deal along with Porter and Walcott supposedly.

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        • Almond joys are awful

          2 years ago

          There is zero percent chance they are all included

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        • DUDDUS

          2 years ago

          That is way too much with this guys salary. I hope this isn’t true

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        • KhaluChris

          2 years ago

          That seems like an awful lot unless Mets are picking up the tab on a huge chunk of the $59m owed to Max between now and the end of next season…

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        • GeronimoSon

          2 years ago

          …or divert the return from the Rangers minor leagues to a club that prefers prospects and are willing to give up bona fide major league players or near ready ML’ers.. Example: “a” top prospect from the Rangers like Brock Porter is shipped to the Cardinals for Jordan Walker as the headliners.

          The Mets don’t want prospects.. they want an immediate rebuild…

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        • richardc

          2 years ago

          I’ve heard Brock Porter and Saggese (sp?) are two of the players most likely going

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        • Captain-Judge99

          2 years ago

          Yeah because if that’s the case then the Rangers got ripped off then.

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        • padam

          2 years ago

          It’s two of the three. Supposedly Acuna is the main piece.

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        • Almond joys are awful

          2 years ago

          For what it’s worth, the ranger beat writer said Walcott was pulled from the game for disciplinary reasons

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        • kahnkobra

          2 years ago

          Jordan Walker is a free agent after the season, they can just sign him

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        • Cardsfanatik redux

          2 years ago

          lmfao. You’re not getting Jordan Walker for that. please

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        • Cardsfanatik redux

          2 years ago

          @kahnkobra Jordan Walker is not even arbitration eligible ffs. where do you people get this crap?

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        • bighiggy

          2 years ago

          You mean Montgomery I think, not walker

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        • Cardsfanatik redux

          2 years ago

          that makes wayyyyy more sense

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        • bighiggy

          2 years ago

          Don’t think they will trade walker but maybe you mean Montgomery? They are both jordans.

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        • myaccount2

          2 years ago

          @almond- definitely not zero chance if the Mets retain all his salary.

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        • GASoxFan

          2 years ago

          Porter made his start for the down east wood ducks, going 3 IP today.

          So, he wasn’t pulled for this trade.

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        • chrcritter

          2 years ago

          definitely zero chance. he’s still an antique

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        • padam

          2 years ago

          Apparently he is. Was way below the pitch count from his prior games.

          Holdup is cash supposedly going back with Max.

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        • Tigers3232

          2 years ago

          @padam, that’s if deGrom can find his way back to the mound healthy before end of next season…

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        • fearthecub

          2 years ago

          He made an err Jordan.

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        • kahnkobra

          2 years ago

          my bad, was thinking Jordan Hicks

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        • kahnkobra

          2 years ago

          they have too many Jordans

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        • padam

          2 years ago

          NY reporting it’s Acuna. Others have been pulled for different reasons or possible trades.

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        • Steve Nebraska

          2 years ago

          Wouldn’t it be funny if the trade was for Kumar Rocker?

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        • BaseballisLife

          2 years ago

          Looking like Acuna, Porter, and another.

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        • PhiladelphiaCollins

          2 years ago

          Go for it if you’re the Mets,

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        • Pickle_Britches

          2 years ago

          Acuna is pretty close he’s been in AA all year last year also played in AA towards the end. He’s pretty much ready to advance to AAA right now and compete for spot on the roster in 24 spring training. Could be the Mets starting 2b next year.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 years ago

          rct – I wouldn’t be surprised if Scherzer wants additional money to waive his no-trade.

          And there’s no chance he opts out after this season if he continues to pitch the way he has been.

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        • dugmet

          2 years ago

          3 prospects seem like a lot even if Mets pick up 80% of the contract.

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        • dugmet

          2 years ago

          Not true. Cohen’s goal has been long term stability through the minors which means adding the best possible.

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        • Goku the Knowledgable One

          2 years ago

          who wants to see Kumar Rocker traded back to Mets?!?

          lol

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        • CardsFan57

          2 years ago

          That’s a hilarious scenario for Walker.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          @GeronimoSun: You don’t know what you’re talking about. The Mets actually do want prospects.

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        • Steve Nebraska

          2 years ago

          Rangers got screwed. Why are they even paying $22.5M? Scherzer is a 40-year-old pitcher with and ERA over 4 and the Rangers are still paying him over $20M per year. Why give up a guy like Luisangel Acuna for that? It doesn’t seem worth it to me. If they were going to trade Luisangel, they probably could have gotten a better pitcher and paid even less money. I don’t get it. Acuna should have been virtually untouchable and Scherzer definitely isn’t the guy who should make that change. Not now anyway. Maybe several years ago but definitely not anymore. If this is the market the Mets would be very smart to move on from Verlander too.

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        • justinkm19

          2 years ago

          Not even close.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          @Steve Nebraska: Rangers’ management obviously see it differently. I suspect they have a better sense of the market than you do.

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        • Led Hoyer

          2 years ago

          Mets are paying the lion share of his salary. The guy is legitimately the best pitcher of the last decade. Their infield is locked down for the foreseeable future. Great trade by the rangers

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        • dugmet

          2 years ago

          Max can be a good #4 starter on any team. He’s unreliable though – giving up 5 or more runs in 6 starts this year. You cannot rely on him in a big game.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          Which they are, to the tune of about $37 million of the remaining $59 million.

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        • Jordan09

          2 years ago

          He’s not pretty close. The dude is above average AA. Rangers gets Max for this year and next for 22 million

          Win for the Rangers and a gamble for the Mets.

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        • Twoston

          2 years ago

          Jordan Walker won’t be a true free agent until 2029 or 2030 at the earliest. Jordan Hicks the reliever will be a free agent at seasons end.

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        • DakotaJoe

          2 years ago

          as painful as this season is for Mets fans this is a good move. they threw the dice and came up with craps. I’m sure Cohen will open the wallet again later, but the Mets need to develop more home grown players, especially pitchers.

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        • Goku the Knowledgable One

          2 years ago

          Max is one of the best around.. Mets were a mess , and lax environment

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      • Bostonsports85

        2 years ago

        Apparently everyone is coming up short with ur metsies lmfao

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    • Huck 3

      2 years ago

      He’s still a good pitcher, above average, although way above in salary. His biggest issue this year has been the HR. Imo, he would serve quite well on a high scoring team. That’s not the Mets, this year.

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      • dugmet

        2 years ago

        You can slot him in as a #4 or 5 but he spit the bit for the Dodgers and Mets when it counted as an ace.

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        • Huck 3

          2 years ago

          How did he do for the Nats?

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        • mlb fan

          2 years ago

          “How did he do for the Nats”..That was 2019; presently it’s the year 2023.

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        • Mattimeo09

          2 years ago

          Those sure are a couple of numbers.

          Anyway, so how did he do in 2019?

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        • mlb fan

          2 years ago

          “How did he do “….Bartolo Colon on line one; he thinks it’s 2009 and wants a huge deal. You interested?

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        • windmill_noise_causes_cancer

          2 years ago

          You don’t have to say “the year.” No one says “the year 1983.”

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        • windmill_noise_causes_cancer

          2 years ago

          Please stop fantasizing about getting a teams best prospect(s) for washed up players.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          @windmill: Actually, Acuña is the Rangers’ 3rd best prospect and in mlb.com’s top 100.

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        • Huck 3

          2 years ago

          Your comment implied that he doesn’t have the cojones or mental toughness to win games in the playoffs and WS. His history proves otherwise.

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    • davidrocholl

      2 years ago

      If the Rangers are going after Scherzer though, the Mets better be paying that contract way down, or I wouldn’t give them anything of high significance.

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      • jyosuckas

        2 years ago

        Ok but the Mets don’t have to make the trade either, if you haven’t heard their owner is made of money and would be just fine keeping him. The Rangers want him? Pay up

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        • davidrocholl

          2 years ago

          There owner may be made of money, but he ain’t stupid either.

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        • rct

          2 years ago

          “if you haven’t heard their owner is made of money and would be just fine keeping him.”

          Right, but this argument cuts both ways. He’d also be fine paying a lot of the contract down if it means getting a better prospect back. He’s already shown he’s willing to do this, like with the Escobar deal. If the Mets want anything good back from Texas, Cohen better pay some of the deal off for them.

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          Escobar was a different stratosphere. Not expecting that here. 90% penalties on Scherzer contact are more than what he paid on Escobar.

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        • mlb fan

          2 years ago

          Billionaires aren’t dumb and Cohen most likely desperately wants to be done with both Scherzer & Verlander. They haven’t pitched well when it mattered and they’re not like wine, which gets better with age.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          @davidrocholl: As opposed to the genius who says “There owner.”

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      • jyosuckas

        2 years ago

        Not happening

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          2 years ago

          jyosuckas This isn’t going to age well.

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        • Ma4170

          2 years ago

          Scherzer still has games he looks great and overall has been decent, though way below his norms, and far from a $40M+ sp. i think they’ll pay down a big chunk to get someone of value back. He can def help TX this year.

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    • Francys01

      2 years ago

      Im a bit surprised that the Rangers don’t want Verlander which he is having a better year than Scherzer. Anyways, both are great pitchers.

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      • padam

        2 years ago

        Verlander may have said no thanks. Holding out for the Astros.

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        • WrongM

          2 years ago

          @padam Or the Mets decided to hold onto JV and retool around him, especially once they had a deal they found worthwhile for Scherzer. Just because they’re cutting from a roster that didn’t work out this year, it doesn’t mean they need to slash payroll completely.

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        • padam

          2 years ago

          Quite possible and I’d be fine with it. At at the rate they’re going, the return for Verlander could now increase because an in division rival just got that much better. Add in their familiarity with Verlander and i could see the Astros making an effort for him.

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        • chrcritter

          2 years ago

          or Scherzer was cheaper in prospects

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        • Ma4170

          2 years ago

          I could see them wanting to keep verlander and senga for next year and add to that

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        • padam

          2 years ago

          As a Mets fan, I hope they do. They can round out the rotation with FAs like Montgomery and Giolito. Quintana can slot into the 5th spot.

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      • Simm

        2 years ago

        It’s because they aren’t giving up much and the Mets are paying him to go away.

        Nobody in their right mind even if he is free is giving up much for him. He is washed and now is a 4-5 starter at best.

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        • Ma4170

          2 years ago

          @simm I’ll bet you’re wrong on that and they’ll get a good prospect

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      • Tigers3232

        2 years ago

        Who says the Rangers would not have preferred Verlander?? He could ve already informed them which teams he’d consider waving NTC. Or simply the 2 teams could not cone to terms on an agreement for Verlander.

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        • Simm

          2 years ago

          Doubtful since just the other day he said they had t mmm t approached him and they didn’t with scherzer

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    • miltpappas

      2 years ago

      Since he was “outed’, he’s all but useless.

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    • iverbure

      2 years ago

      Mets getting Vargas and catcher Hernandez back if trade goes through.

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      • ChetLemonaid

        2 years ago

        It would be hilarious if they got Kumar Rocker back!

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      • stymeedone

        2 years ago

        Mets getting Evoldi back. I don’t know either, but since everyone is throwing stuff out there…

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        • iverbure

          2 years ago

          Lol that’s what I kept reading I just threw two baseball names out there I dunno if the rangers have a Vargas I should’ve went with a Martinez they gotta have one guy named Martinez lol.

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    • Mac Attack

      2 years ago

      I’m floored. The Dodgers want Verlander and will offer top prospects. The Mets will suck next year unless the buy another rent a team

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    • metslvt17

      2 years ago

      That’s a really nice return for the Mets

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    • Diabetic Rockstar

      2 years ago

      It’s always been that way….back when Tigers had a rotation of Porcello / Anibal Sanchez / Doug Fister-then-David Price / Verlander / Scherzer, Max left Detroit because tho they offered both extensions JV’s was far longer & more $$, effectively picking JV over Max

      Btw how the F did Tigers not win a title with some of their rotation arms and guys like Miggy, Vmart, Castellanos, JD Martinez, Torri Hunter, Magglio Ordonez, Pudge, etc

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      • iverbure

        2 years ago

        Their bullpen wasn’t very good the one year I specifically remember and DD teams usually aren’t known for defence.

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  2. EliMorganFanClub

    2 years ago

    He’s definitely gonna waive it and go to Texas

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  3. Slider_withcheese

    2 years ago

    Texas should know better

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    • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

      2 years ago

      What if they get to dump Perez’s contract and then give up a marginal prospect? It’s a form of salary relief.

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      • Sourhaze

        2 years ago

        Not happening. Rangers gonna get fleeced. I can see it happening

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        • trog

          2 years ago

          Right. Because they sure got fleeced in the Aroldis Chapman trade. (eye roll)

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          Chapman trade has nothing to do with Scherzer. They are separate things. You do know that, don’t you?

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      • davidrocholl

        2 years ago

        I like the way you think!! Mets would still need to pay it down some though.

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      • CursedRangers

        2 years ago

        Would be ironic if it’s DeGrom + Rocker for Scherzer

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        • User 401527550

          2 years ago

          That would be the trade of all trades.

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        • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

          2 years ago

          I don’t think most people who use the word irony understand what it means. Here is an example of irony: Ironically, Verlander said no to Texas because he thought the Mets had a better chance of winning, but one team is below .500, while the other is in 1st place.

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        • jjd002

          2 years ago

          Won’t be in first for long.

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        • thunderecho

          2 years ago

          FWIW RHP Scherzer agreed to waive his no-trade clause.

          If everything is worked out, Mets will be sending a $$$$Brinks Truck$$$$$ and Scherzer to Arlington.

          In return, Rangers sending good prospects to Mets.

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        • SoCalBrave

          2 years ago

          @Texas Ranger
          You don’t seem to understand irony either.
          Irony is when an action you take to prevent an outcome, directly or indirectly leads to the outcome you were trying to prevent.

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        • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

          2 years ago

          @SoCal: He didn’t want to play for a non-contender, and yet, he ended up playing for one. That is literally irony. He isn’t getting to leave the Mets since that’s Scherzer. It is 100% a perfect example of irony. He is on a non-contender that will finish under .500 for the season. He should have chosen Texas instead.

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        • jjd002

          2 years ago

          It’s cute you think Texas a contender

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        • SoCalBrave

          2 years ago

          If you meant that he didn’t sign in the off-season with Texas, then yes, you are 100% correct. I thought you meant he said no to waiving his non-trade agreement. Then it makes no sense.

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        • Simm

          2 years ago

          He didn’t sign with the rangers because they weren’t paying what the Mets did.

          Scherzer got paid bank from the Mets.

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        • Buzz Killington

          2 years ago

          Scherzer Texas Ranger

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        • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

          2 years ago

          Nah. He’s a tick above average. I consider him to be the most overrated pitcher in baseball. I hate how he still wants to keep his player option. I wonder what happens to the cash if he does opt out. If they lose cash if he opts out, this is a terrible trade for a trashy human being.

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        • GASoxFan

          2 years ago

          If scherzer opts out, any cash as part of the 2024 season stays with Cohen.

          Hopefully they structured the deal so 100% of the remaining 2023 salary comes from NY, with the balance of any included is in 2024.

          That’s the best you’re going to get. Only other possible, but unlikely, option is there’s a PTBNL or cash considerations due to Tex within the 6 month limitation period designed to fall after Scherzer has to exercise his option.

          If scherzer returns, it defaults to cash. If he opts out, Tex has a slate of a-ball lottery tickets it can pick one of to offset.

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        • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

          2 years ago

          I saw a tweet that now says he did opt in. Man! These reporters are making a mockery of what was already a joke (journalism). I’ll wait a few hours for the dust to settle atm.

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        • GASoxFan

          2 years ago

          Or, should we cue up the jokes about any big deal- free agent, trade, or otherwise – involving the Mets requires as part of the recipe a degree of drama and dysfunction?

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    • Robrock30

      2 years ago

      My advice Caveat Emptor

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  4. Oscar the Grouch

    2 years ago

    Ok, there’s a big move.

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    • Samuel

      2 years ago

      “Ok, there’s a big move.”

      Oscar the Grouch;

      Think it’ll prove to be as big a one as when the Mets signed him?….

      I mean other than the amount of money involved?

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  5. Motor City Beach Bum

    2 years ago

    Wow. That will change the landscape of the trade deadline right there. Probably means Verlander is available too? That’s a potential customer for the Tigers out of the mix.

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    • rct

      2 years ago

      “Probably means Verlander is available too?”

      It could but not necessarily. I guarantee Cohen is going to spend a lot this offseason with the idea of competing next year. If they trade Verlander as well, then they’ll realistically only have Senga penciled in for the rotation.

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      • jopeness

        2 years ago

        @rct, I don’t think there is much on the upcoming FA market. It is a smart move on the Mets to shed salary relief and signal, no matter what you make you have to perform

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        • Ma4170

          2 years ago

          Theres a lot of sp available in FA. Nola, urias, giolito, montgomery, snell… they could realistically sign two with their money

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          2 years ago

          Just remember Cohen made his money in the financial world. He built the team to win now. While he has the most money out of all owners, he likely factored in higher attendance, playoff home games and more merchandise sales when he broke the bank so to speak this year. Even a multi-billionaire can do the math and think with the penalty tax, I can save $50m (arbitrary number) and put it back into the club next year.

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        • Hemlock

          2 years ago

          > Nola, urias, giolito, montgomery, snell…
          > they could realistically sign two

          Too young for the Mets

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        • User 401527550

          2 years ago

          They are probably signing Yamamoto from Japan too.

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          I thought it signaled they have to make a profit.

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          Don’t forget Lynn!

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      • Braves4410

        2 years ago

        Or… Cohen may realize the only way to win consistently like he wants is to build a farm system and home grow it!

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        • rct

          2 years ago

          “Cohen may realize the only way to win consistently like he wants is to build a farm system and home grow it!”

          He already knows this. The awful PCA trade aside, the Mets haven’t really traded any impact prospects away recently. They could have done so last offseason but held firm on their top prospects. Cohen’s plan has always been to develop the farm system while spending a ton to keep the current club competitive. Worked last year, this year not so much.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          2 years ago

          Yeah. I think the Mets have been rebuilding while also spending an ungodly amount of money. They haven’t emptied the farm at all. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if they spend less next offseason in an attempt to continue developing the farm. Cohen showing patience is actually more frightening than Cohen just buying everyone.

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        • foppert1

          2 years ago

          He said as much in his recent press conference. The unsustainable big spend is a temporary solution while he gets development sorted.
          The telling thing for me was he spoke about recently getting a presentation from his staff on player development technology. I’m guessing a few owners got that presentation 5 years ago. Big Steve has work to do. Looks like he is on it though.

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        • rct

          2 years ago

          @Von: I agree. I think Cohen will spend a lot on pitching this offseason, though. It’s a definite need (moreso if this Scherzer deal goes through) and their pitching in the upper levels of the minors is very weak. I don’t think he’ll splurge on any position players but I could definitely see him do it on pitching.

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        • Hemlock

          2 years ago

          > Or… Cohen may realize

          You lost me here with your complex logic.

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        • sfes

          2 years ago

          You’re talking common sense to morons. MLBTR comment section has become a dumpster fire of 12 year old front runners.

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        • Hemlock

          2 years ago

          The Mets are trading Scherzer because he took exception to Robertson being traded.

          “You have to talk to the brass. You have to understand what they see, what they’re going to do,” Scherzer said. “That’s the best I can tell you. I told you I wasn’t going to comment on this until Steve was going to sell. We traded Robertson. Now we need to have a conversation.”

          They’re just doing him a courtesy. Cohen didn’t become smart overnight.

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        • GASoxFan

          2 years ago

          Hemlock – it’s not a courtesy, is business.

          Mets couldn’t move Scherzer without his OK. They were stuck paying him 43m for no-tack 10-15m of performance. But it was business, and they understood it.

          Max was in NY because until the white flag went up, they needed his relative stability in the rotation. His deal was underwater, and until NY was willing to pay it down, nobody wanted that salary nevermind where it was respective to his performance. So, he also was professional about taking the ball his turns through and do more or less the best he could, with and without the sticky.

          If the return didn’t justify it, Cohen wasn’t going to trade Max just as a courtesy and lose money. That’s bad business. And Max wasn’t giving up his leverage to only go to a contender just to give Cohen the courtesy of the best return/deal possible.

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        • marcfrombrooklyn

          2 years ago

          That is simply not true according to reports that the (possible) trade was in motion before last night’s comments.

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        • Rexhudler86

          2 years ago

          He’s essentially buying a farm, if he pays for the albatross contract for a top 100 prospect. Also I think mad max wanted out after Robertson was traded he said he needed to talk to the front office about the direction they headed in.

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      • mlb fan

        2 years ago

        Mets should trade BOTH Justin and Scherzer and target guys like Monty of St Louis, Stroman, Snell or the other great Japanese pitcher, I can’t remember his name. It’s been quite a long time since either Justin or Max were good in a playoff or other big game.

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        • MLB Top 100 Commenter

          2 years ago

          MLB Fan

          Yep, Cohen just freed up money for Yoshinobu Yamamoto

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      • thunderecho

        2 years ago

        Astros and Mets are in advanced trade discussions on RHP Verlander.

        Astros are one of the few contenders willing to trade assets from their big league roster. Astros fans might balk at the return that is being discussed.

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    • burn0820

      2 years ago

      Verlander is not available now. They need him for next year, Mets aren’t trading both. Also, Verlander wants to stay and Scherzer clearly doesn’t so there’s that

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      • cornwhisperer

        2 years ago

        If anything, he’s even more available now because truthfully, this team is going nowhere for the foreseeable future

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      • VonPurpleHayes

        2 years ago

        I think Verlander goes too. Verlander and Scherzer were win-now experiments that didn’t work. Cohen is now stocking up the farm.

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  6. This one belongs to the Reds

    2 years ago

    Seriously?

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  7. LordD99

    2 years ago

    Scherzer and $40MM in cash for an A-ball player.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      I was thinking $25MM for a PTBNL equivalent.

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    • jvent

      2 years ago

      It’s definitely not going to be for an A-ball player if they’re giving $$ too it has to be Jack Leiter plus others maybe an OF prospect

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      • seamaholic 2

        2 years ago

        Heh. Not a chance in the world it will be Leiter. It will be a decent but not very well known prospect, but the Mets also aren’t sending that much money either.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          2 years ago

          Oh I disagree. I think the Mets will be paying most of Scherzer’s contract and as a result get a huge return that may include Leiter.

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        • Ma4170

          2 years ago

          I was hoping foscue or porter but they may be pipe dreams

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        • guilderc

          2 years ago

          Only names that have been mentioned in any reports up to this point are Acuña and Walcott

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          2 years ago

          I think that’s the likely return, and a good one at that.

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        • jvent

          2 years ago

          We’ll see soon lol

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        • Ma4170

          2 years ago

          Wow id be very happy w acuna

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        • richardc

          2 years ago

          I think Porter is included, he was just pulled from his start after 3IP and 52 pitches

          Him and an INF Saggese are the players I’m hearing so far

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    • mlb fan

      2 years ago

      “Scherzer & 40MM dollars” = Mid range prospect. Max is up and down at this point in his career and he’s not lIke wine, that gets better with age. He’s among league leaders in HR allowed and he’s simply not that good anymore.

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    • BaseballisLife

      2 years ago

      A Double A prospect Acuna and a single A prospect Porter and about $15 million.

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  8. kidnova

    2 years ago

    Walcott was pulled from his game in the ACL. I seriously hope the Rangers aren’t giving him up for a Scherzer rental.

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    • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

      2 years ago

      If it is a top 100 guy, I really hope it’s him or Owen White instead of a real prospect like Carter, Porter, Leiter, or Acuna/Foscue.

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      • Rickover50

        2 years ago

        He can opt out. Would rather have erod

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        • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

          2 years ago

          He won’t opt out of 43.3 MM if he keeps up giving up 2 HR per 9.

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        • seamaholic 2

          2 years ago

          Yeah he will if he doesn’t want to play in Texas.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          2 years ago

          I don’t see many not wanting to leave Queens this season.

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        • Pete'sView

          2 years ago

          He’ll want to play in the playoffs and possibly the WS. The Rangers are headed in that direction. And Scherzer isn’t opting out of $43.3M no matter where he plays.

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          He wants to, right up until he gets there. Then he doesn’t.

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        • Tigers3232

          2 years ago

          If he doesn’t want to play in TEX he ll invoke his NTC, not waive it and then opt out.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          2 years ago

          He already agreed to waive the NTC. They’re just finalizing some money issues.

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        • Atloriolesfan

          2 years ago

          The interesting part of the Scherzer deal is that he’s going to a team that may need HIM to carry them into the playoff. They are competing with the Astros for the West and Heim is hurt and Eovaldi having health issues.

          If the Astros pass them, they have to beat out the fourth place team from the AL East and the Mariners and Angels. No sure thing at all if Scherzer pitches to a 4 ERA. And he lost his control over 2024. Who can say that the 2024 Rangers aren’t the 2023 Mets? So he may be in exactly the same place a year from now.

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        • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

          2 years ago

          They lose Martin Perez and will have more young guys coming up (hopefully). They can make trades for more consistent guys, and Japanese/US free agency can allow them to shuffle the money around. They set 20 million on fire this year on Perezz that they will get back. I highly doubt Texas does worse next year. Houston is only getting older, with almost no farm system left.

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      • Rickover50

        2 years ago

        This is what happens when you’re quoted saying I need to talk to the owner immediately. Uh no you don’t max. You’re a commodity is all

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        • GASoxFan

          2 years ago

          Rickover- you may have missed Max had no-trade protection.

          Ever stop to think he was previously asked about waiving the no-trade clause and his comment about talking to brass was to take them up on it?

          Or even just to signal he wanted out and which teams get would waive it for?

          Scherzer was and is in control of where he goes as a trade.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      He has a player option next year which he will most certainly exercise.

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      • Pete'sView

        2 years ago

        Scherzer ain’t giving up $43.3M next year after the year he’s had.

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    • BaloniusFunk

      2 years ago

      It’s 1.5 yrs of MS

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      • kidnova

        2 years ago

        True, but I still wouldn’t give up Walcott, but maybe NYM are eating a bunch of his salary.

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      • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

        2 years ago

        Muscular Sclerosis?! I’ve always seen his antics as a clubhouse cancer, but to each their own!

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    • mgomrjsurf

      2 years ago

      Also maybe Canha,BP,Catcher from Mets maybe to.
      Does change the Deadline for like Astros,Rays and so on.

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    • User 401527550

      2 years ago

      That makes sense. It sounds like the Mets want real young players with big upsides.

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      • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

        2 years ago

        Unlike the pther 29 teams in the MLB.

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      2 years ago

      Walcott’s removal was apparently disciplinary and not related to a trade.

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      • kidnova

        2 years ago

        Yeah, I saw the same report, but who knows? I guess we’ll find out soon enough after Scherzer makes his decision.

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    • User 1104686089

      2 years ago

      Jon Heyman posted on Twitter that is was for disciplinary reasons not for a trade. Not sure what a Heyman rumor does for us but it is there.

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  9. Little Stevie Janowsky

    2 years ago

    Rangers take on scherzers entire contract and get francisco alvarez as a Consolation prize

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    • jyosuckas

      2 years ago

      Idiot comment from the biggest turd on this site

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      • SkipperLou

        2 years ago

        He’ll chime in when he gets done conjuring up the next big Tommy Edman trade

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        • Tigers3232

          2 years ago

          He’s probably busy satisfying himself to Lars Nootbar highlight videos. He ll have to work quick, those would not b lengthy videos….

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  10. Rsox

    2 years ago

    Scherzer’s playing career is winding down and his window to win another championship is closing. Texas offers a chance at the post season this year, who knows what next year will bring for the Mets. Smart play is to waive the no-trade clause

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  11. phenomenalajs

    2 years ago

    Steve should tell Billy no if he has to seriously pay down either one’s contract.

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    • Sunday Lasagna

      2 years ago

      @phenomenalajs, why? Cohen has 16 BIllion. The 60 mill left on Scherzer including the opt year is less than a half a percent. The equivalent of a guy with $10K buying a round of drinks for $50. Cohen has more money than he knows what to do with.

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      • This one belongs to the Reds

        2 years ago

        He didn’t make 16 billion by wasting it. Business 101.

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        • Sunday Lasagna

          2 years ago

          agreed 100% @this one belongs to the Reds. but im sure he also knew when to cut losses and invest in other places. The note i responded to was saying that Cohen should forece Eppler to keep him. Good businessmen do not hold on to bad assets out of spite. They move on.

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        • rct

          2 years ago

          True but he could in effect buy a prospect from the Rangers if he pays down enough. That could be a smart move depending on the prospect.

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        • Tigers3232

          2 years ago

          @Reds, I’m sure any $ he eats his accounts write off some how. Billionaires do not become Billionaires without utilizing every loophole in tax code. Business 201.

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        • This one belongs to the Reds

          2 years ago

          Yep, the more you have, the more you can write off. Thank your local congressman.

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        • Jeremy320

          2 years ago

          So…citadel essentially combines stock buys from all over (billions) Often combined fractional buys and it sweeps the remainder (a la lex in superman)

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    • User 401527550

      2 years ago

      I think people are overestimating how much contract they might have to pay down. The Rangers aren’t afraid to spend money and there is no point in trading them if they are paying a lot of the contract.

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      • CardsFan57

        2 years ago

        Scherzer is not worth his contract at this point. Pitchers having better years are available for far less money. Why would the Ranger’s spend far more for less performance?

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        • User 401527550

          2 years ago

          Because they are desperate for a winner.

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        • CardsFan57

          2 years ago

          I think you miss the part about better pitchers being available now. There’s no reason for that level of desperation.

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        • User 401527550

          2 years ago

          Who’s better? Verlander? I think you are overestimating how bad he is now. His ERA of the last two seasons was 2.29 and 2.46. He’s been a bit unlucky with the homerun ball this year.

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        • GASoxFan

          2 years ago

          Is it unlucky, or, is it unstucky?

          Until he proves he can perform without getting called out for the tack, his prior years are divorced from future performance in any evaluation.

          He’s still a MLB quality arm, but his contract is underwater making him, theoretically, a cheaper pickup in prospect capital

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  12. In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

    2 years ago

    Lol what? A caveman and cash for nothing, I hope

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  13. davidrocholl

    2 years ago

    I personally would like to see the Rangers get there shopping done, from either the Tigers or Cardinals.

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    • King of Cards

      2 years ago

      All for a Rangers Cardinals deal but this might eliminate that possibility

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  14. WideWorldofSports

    2 years ago

    Good for the Rangers, taking on washed up Mets pitchers

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  15. Al Hirschen

    2 years ago

    Keep Verlander please unless you get a package that blows your mind

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  16. Sunday Lasagna

    2 years ago

    Scherzer & cash for Kumar Rocker, currently recovering from TJ.

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 years ago

      Would be such poetic irony if Rocker ends up back on the Mets.

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  17. 86mets

    2 years ago

    The Rangers will ask the Mets to throw in a couple cases of rosin specifically formulated for Maxie. That may be one of the “hurdles” that need to be crossed. The prospect return to us may hinge on the inclusion of the rosin.

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    • Gwynning

      2 years ago

      *Spidertackerosin ™

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  18. Wheeler Dealer

    2 years ago

    What if the Cubs went and got Verlander? Never saw that coming

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    • kma

      2 years ago

      Cubs Woo!

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  19. meckert

    2 years ago

    Max, we hardly knew ye.

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  20. AgentF

    2 years ago

    Say Luisangel Acuna and Jack Leiter are a part of this and I’d be happy as a Mets fan. We could even throw in Vogelbach for good measure.

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 years ago

      You won’t be happy as a Mets fan then.

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    • FrankP

      2 years ago

      You’re actually getting better players. Walcott and Porter. Walcott is only 17 and a stud. He will be a top 50 next year and Lieter is having issues.

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      • AgentF

        2 years ago

        I’d still prefer Acuna over Walcott. Porter has excellent stuff, but the walk rate scare me a bit, even if it is very early in his career. There is zero question about whether his stuff is good enough. Seems like something is definitely happening. Might be a case where having a rich owner is beneficial in that he can eat the salary and drive up the value on the return.

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      • User 1104686089

        2 years ago

        It’s Acuna and Saggase, Walcott was pulled for disciplinary reasons

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        • BaseballisLife

          2 years ago

          Porter was pulled in the 3rd inning of his start with a shutout and 6k.

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  21. brooklyn62

    2 years ago

    He looked GREAT!…Uh, against the Nationals last night. That’s like beating up a girl’s HS softball team.

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    • Ann Porkins

      2 years ago

      The Nationals have some talent in the lineup. It’s a work in progress, but let’s not treat Washington like the A’s or Royals

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      • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

        2 years ago

        The A’s did just score 19 runs in two games, regardless of opponent, it’s not bad.

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    • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

      2 years ago

      The girls’ high school softball team takes offense to that!

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  22. AL B DAMNED

    2 years ago

    Mets may have a little bidding war between Astros and Rangers on BOTH Verlander and Scherzer. Seems like with both teams in on both pitchers, the Mets may wiggle around to paying a smaller portion of salaries! My guess is Verlander to the Astros, because of familiarity, and not to be outdone..Scherzer to the Rangers.

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    • burn0820

      2 years ago

      They’re not trading both they need Verlander for next year

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      • VonPurpleHayes

        2 years ago

        I think they absolutely trade both.

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        • Samuel

          2 years ago

          Von;

          The Mets are doing what the Padres do…..

          Overpay free agents, then toggle between loading up on prospects and trading batches of the prospects for expensive name players.

          The future is always exciting…..it’s the present that’s a drag.

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        • Tigers3232

          2 years ago

          @Samuel the Mets have not been trading away prospects. That was the point of signing all the pitchers to short multi year deals with high AAV. They maintained their farm system which is one of highest ranked in MLB. And these high AAV contracts will b off the books when prospects are coming up to add players around them.

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        • Samuel

          2 years ago

          Tigers3232;

          The last 3 months.

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        • Chris from NJ

          2 years ago

          Angry O’s fan. Maybe one day Baltimore will spend some money on someone not named Chris Davis. It’s always a knock on big market teams. The Mets and Padres ownership spend money to put a good product on the field. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. I guess as an O’s fan you gotta live by the future is always exciting if the present is a drag. The O’s should be in on Scherzer,Verlander,or Snell. But they won’t spend the money. Not today, not tomorrow and certainly not in the past

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    • Astros Hot Takes

      2 years ago

      Verlander is worth 35 million a year, for sure, and I’d like to get him if Cohen would toss in 10 Million to offset next year’s salary, BUT

      Astros can’t afford him for 24 & ’25 – Tax penalties are SERIOUSLY exorbitant, and everybody on the team currently is due for substantial raises in arb, plus the desire to extend Tucker, etc.

      Heck, even now he’d take us into tax territory for this year.

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      • stroh

        2 years ago

        Stros still have $13M in luxury tax space this year even after Graveman trade. Enough for JV for 2 months. And only $149M in luxury tax commitments next year. But I’m sure Crane would like a bit of a discount from the Mets

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        • Astros Hot Takes

          2 years ago

          @stroh – Verlander, like Scherzer, still owed 15 million for this year, which puts us 2 million over; I suppose we could send Mets Brantley along with our prospects to get us back under

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  23. 10centBeerNight

    2 years ago

    Has a sense they would have suitors for Scherzer, but maybe return ask might scare teams off. Solid 7 inning performance last night didn’t hurt his appeal

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  24. guilderc

    2 years ago

    “Texas Rangers’ SS prospect Sebastian Walcott,
    @MLBPipeline’s 6th-ranked Rangers’ prospect, was reportedly just pulled from his minor league game”.

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    • Rangerfan99

      2 years ago

      Pulled for disciplinary reasons

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      • GASoxFan

        2 years ago

        Was about to say that Rangerfan.

        Also, I think Porter did make a start afterall

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        • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

          2 years ago

          Thank God. If they traded Acuna and Walcott, I wouldn’t have cared, but this guy Porter should not be traded, unless it’s for Cease.

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        • Ma4170

          2 years ago

          Porter pulled after 52 pitches so who knows… acuna not in Frisco lineup

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        • GASoxFan

          2 years ago

          3 IP tonight, so, while it’s no guarantee, you’d think if he was in the return they’d hold him back.

          Possible an initial version of the trade mightve called for him and they shifted the return – either not including another piece coming back, or, monetary offset changed. Who knows.

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        • Ma4170

          2 years ago

          I think acuna not in lineup more telling, but as a met fan I’d be happily shocked if he came back in the trade

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  25. Sunday Lasagna

    2 years ago

    Insurance should presumably be paying deGrom, so even if the Rangers have to take on a good amount of money, they are essentially replacing payroll dollars not necessarily adding them

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      Ken Rosenthal said months ago the Rangers didn’t/couldn’t insure the deGrom contract.

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      • kidnova

        2 years ago

        Given his injury history the cost would likely have been prohibitive.

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      • stymeedone

        2 years ago

        DeGrom, due to amount and injury history,is uninsureable.

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    • oz10

      2 years ago

      They were not able to get his contract insured due to his injury history. Even the insurance companies knew it was a bad deal.

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    • foppert1

      2 years ago

      Samson addressed player insurance in one of his podcasts this week. Insurance medicals, pre existing injury exclusions, cost prohibitive, court battles over non payment….interesting stuff. Worth a listen if your interested in how it goes down.

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      • Tigers3232

        2 years ago

        Any chance you could provide a link to that podcast? Sounds interesting.

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        • foppert1

          2 years ago

          Pretty sure in it’s in this one

          open.spotify.com/episode/4poKnmtv90W2eFq0lsfHPK?si…

          If not, try the episode before it.

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  26. mgomrjsurf

    2 years ago

    Title needs to be updated Heyman just said on Twitter agreed on just needing Scherzsr’s approval.

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  27. hiflew

    2 years ago

    Would be hilarious if the return was Kumar Rocker.

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    • soxfan1

      2 years ago

      Mets already know they don’t want him

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  28. sugoi51

    2 years ago

    Juice Box Journal?

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  29. AL B DAMNED

    2 years ago

    OK,I was right about Scherzer to the Rangers, NOW Verlander to the Astros, Dodgers, or staying with Mets! Any other team is a sleeper!

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    • Sourhaze

      2 years ago

      JV stays. Hes made it clear he wants to stay unlike diva Max

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  30. VonPurpleHayes

    2 years ago

    I know this isn’t the case, but it’d be hilarious if deGrom is part of the return to NY.

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    • King of Cards

      2 years ago

      I don’t think it’s that far fetched but yeah probably not.

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    • rct

      2 years ago

      deGrom and Rocker would be hilarious.

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  31. 10centBeerNight

    2 years ago

    Fascinated to know what the return and how much Cohen cash is going to Dallas. Have to respect Rangers org for being all in and aggressive. The fans deserve it

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    • Seamaholic

      2 years ago

      Oh the fans will be paying for it. This isn’t a gift to them and won’t be coming out of the owner’s pocket.

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      • rct

        2 years ago

        Right. It will be coming out of Cohen’s pocket.

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  32. Kevin28786

    2 years ago

    Cool trade between two organizations that won’t do the heavy lifting required to build and sustain success. “Just throw $$$ at it, guys!” LMAO

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    • King of Cards

      2 years ago

      You need to do both to have sustained success. But the Rangers have never won it all so I think just 1 championship would be worth whatever price they pay.

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    • Tigers3232

      2 years ago

      The Mets have one of top ranked farm systems in the game. They signed these short high AAV multi year deals to try and b competitive while they do the heavy lifting on young controllable players.

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      • Samuel

        2 years ago

        Tigers3232;

        Please…

        Depending on the organization doing the ranking, the Mets fit into the middle of MLB’s farm system rankings by most people (who are usually wrong in that they push the big market teams)…and that was BEFORE they called up the 3 primary prospects this year.

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      • JackStrawb

        2 years ago

        @Tiger3232 Samuel nails it. After Senga, Baty, and Alvarez were called up, fangraphs had the Mets farm ranked at #21, and that’s 3 years after Cohen bought the team, when they were ranked #23. I think Acuna did push them all the way to #15, and they’ll probably go at least a little higher if they deal Canha and Phama. Keep in mind a lot of the valuation of the Mets farm depends on the slack-jawed overwhelmed Vientos, and that the Mets preferred to bring up Mendick and DJ Stewart rather than Mauricio. If those two fail, you can put the Mets farm around #24, currently.

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  33. Sunday Lasagna

    2 years ago

    GREAT MOVE for the Mets, not sure what the Rangers are thinking! I’m a Dodger fan, still not over Mr dead arm in the playoffs.

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    • Samuel

      2 years ago

      WampumWalloper;

      For all the posts here nongraduating the Rangers, I was about to write that they need to ask a Dodger fan his/her opinion of bringing in Mr. Scherzer for the stretch run.

      Thanks for showing up first.

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  34. King of Cards

    2 years ago

    That escalated quickly

    Not a Scherzer fan but I like the Rangers so good luck Rangers.

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  35. meangreandancingmachine

    2 years ago

    Once again, St. Louis’ Mo has his thumb up his butt.

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    • This one belongs to the Reds

      2 years ago

      He’s not alone. The kid GM is napping too but big Bob wouldn’t pay that kind of $$$ despite an 83 million payroll.

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    • stymeedone

      2 years ago

      @mean grean
      So you think it would be a good deal for St.L to trade for Max and his salary?

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  36. King Floch

    2 years ago

    Texas is going MAD (Max).

    The Angels might as well quadruple down and trade anything of value they still have in their farm system for even more help. They are going to need it to get past TEX, HOU, SEA, and the AL East teams to secure one of the wildcard spots.

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    • King of Cards

      2 years ago

      I think Seattle will be left in the dust. But yeah the other teams are playing to win it all.

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  37. Jdt8312

    2 years ago

    Wow….I didn’t think the Mets would do this. I can’t wait to see the details of this. Wonder what they have up their sleeve for next years rotation

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    • King of Cards

      2 years ago

      Ohtani 15 years 800 million

      Gets dealt at next years trade deadline…..Cohen eats 300 million…..

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  38. Cleon Jones

    2 years ago

    Well, best of luck to all inolved, but I dont see how this moves the needle much for Rangers.

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  39. Domingo111

    2 years ago

    Foscue and a pitching prospect would be a great return. Foscue has great plate discipline and 3B and DH are weak spots in the Mets lineup. Mets also need young starting pitching

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    • mgomrjsurf

      2 years ago

      Mets have Baty at 3B.

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      • Ma4170

        2 years ago

        Foscue is 2b and that makes more sense for the mets bc i assume they may move mcneil before next year

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        • Jdt8312

          2 years ago

          How close they are is also a factor. If they are in the low minors Rookie and single A leagues, it makes more sense to duplicate a perceived strength. The Mets got a catcher, and SS from the Marlins.

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        • Ma4170

          2 years ago

          Foscue is pretty polished, but i doubt TX trades him in this deal

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        • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

          2 years ago

          He could be used at 2nd while Seager is out and Semien goes to SS, or he can move to the outfield, with his elite plate discipline (more BB than K at AAA).

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  40. wileycoyote56

    2 years ago

    Sack of used balls if they don’t eat that salary

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  41. Simm

    2 years ago

    Even if they paid his entire contract for this year and next I wouldn’t give up more then a mid prospect. The guy is toast.

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  42. AL B DAMNED

    2 years ago

    Now Scherzer in serious talks with Scott Boras on what, or how much to demand for waiving No-Trade clause. Boras wants his cut. Max may not waive. I’m not familiar with Rangers Ownership and their supply of $$$! But Cohen has plenty if he prefers to stay with Mets, just to guarantee he gets his $$$!

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    • Seamaholic

      2 years ago

      This is true. If he demands they tack on another year guaranteed like Arenado did, I bet the Rangers so thanks but no thanks.

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    • Jdt8312

      2 years ago

      Max has already agreed to go.

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      • THEY LIVE!!!

        2 years ago

        7:45pm: Feinsand relays that Scherzer has not yet waived his no-trade clause.

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  43. Saint Nick

    2 years ago

    Maxxie Pad is gonna get lit up in Arlington.

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  44. Logjammer D"Baggagecling

    2 years ago

    I’d imagine Jack Leiter is going back?

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    • Seamaholic

      2 years ago

      No, Max has almost no marginal value given he’s still owed $60m over one and a third seasons. They’ll get a good rookie league type most likely.

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      • Ma4170

        2 years ago

        Doubt that

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        • seamaholic 2

          2 years ago

          I mean it depends on how much $$ is going to Texas with him. Mets could buy a good prospect if they want.

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        • Ma4170

          2 years ago

          Thats my gut… they’ll pay a significant portion… we’ll see, they’re obviously negotiating that now

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      • causality

        2 years ago

        Lol. Where do people pull ideas from. Oh wait. I know.

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      • Jdt8312

        2 years ago

        If Texas wants him, they’ll meet the Mets price. It also depends on if this is a salary dump for the Mets, of if they want multiple prospects back. If they want a good package of prospects, they’ll have to eat some, or most of the contract.

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  45. meckert

    2 years ago

    Glad he won’t be wearing Cleon’s number anymore.

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  46. BaseballisLife

    2 years ago

    That didn’t take long.

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  47. PinstripedPride

    2 years ago

    Wow! I was expecting Verlander’s name here. Good on the Rangers for making moves!

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  48. User 233578298

    2 years ago

    If you’re gutting this team, just ditch everyone and build from the bottom up.

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  49. Jrnomo100

    2 years ago

    Well that’s something

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  50. slider32

    2 years ago

    Scherzer is a Bulldog who wants to pitch in meaningful games, this deal gets done!

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    • stymeedone

      2 years ago

      Nah, just like in Detroit, Max doesn’t like pitching in Justin’s shadow.

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    • Sourhaze

      2 years ago

      Except he chokes on meaningful games

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  51. causality

    2 years ago

    Glad he’s gone. He’s a tough guy. Remember when he was going to his lawyer after he got suspended, only to put his tail between his legs and serve the next day.

    Then he was going to the front office today. And they just threw him to the curb.

    Lol Ineptler abused him.

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  52. causality

    2 years ago

    Glad he’s gone. He’s a tough guy. Remember when he was going to his lawyer after he got suspended, only to put his tail between his legs and serve the next day.

    Then he was going to the front office today. And they just threw him to the curb.

    Lol Ineptler abused him

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  53. AL B DAMNED

    2 years ago

    The Scherzer deal between Mets and Rangers is on hold pending Carlos Correa Physical!

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  54. Dalton1017

    2 years ago

    all the Mets fans who think the Rangers are going to trade walcott for scherzer are insane… if Walcott is involved there are alot more moving parts involved.

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  55. Astros Hot Takes

    2 years ago

    This is all SO LOL in an intensely interesting way

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  56. Gwynning

    2 years ago

    Karen Scherzer – Yes, I’d like to speak with whomever is in charge here…

    *2 seconds later, Karen is whisked from the building by security.

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    • Astros Hot Takes

      2 years ago

      LOL! *coffee spew gif

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  57. causality

    2 years ago

    Scherzer

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  58. jacl

    2 years ago

    I wanted them to get Verlander. Scherzer can’t pitch unless he has the sticky stuff. I never thought he was as good as his numbers indicated and now I know why. he’s avg without the sticky stuff.

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    • Yanks2

      2 years ago

      Scherzer has been amazing for over 10 years. You’re saying he cheated every single season?

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  59. myaccount2

    2 years ago

    People told me Scherzer wasn’t really on the market.

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    • Jdt8312

      2 years ago

      I didn’t think the Mets were going to trade any of their pitchers. The Mets have no pitching in their minor league system, and next years free agent pitching class is pretty bad.

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    • Jdt8312

      2 years ago

      Heyman is saying Ronald Acuna’s brother, Luisangel Acuna will be in the deal if it’s finalized.

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  60. Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman

    2 years ago

    Rangers must be desperate.

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  61. Rangerfan99

    2 years ago

    Walcott was pulled for disciplinary reasons

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  62. sacrifice

    2 years ago

    Get the vacuum, the house cleaning has begun.

    Every 10 years or so the Mets figure out why did we spend so much for this.

    Excuse me while I deliver this check to Bobby Bonilla. Oh BTW Mets ticket prices are up 20% next year.

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  63. msqboxer

    2 years ago

    ESPN St. Louis wants to hunt the Cardinals GM down like Shriek for sitting on his hands with all these trades going on.

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    • King of Cards

      2 years ago

      Let’s wait until Tuesday before freaking out man.

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 years ago

      What, you wanted the Cards to trade for Scherzer?

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  64. thickiedon

    2 years ago

    Don’t do it, Max

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  65. snowyphile1

    2 years ago

    Hey Rangers,

    Wanna lose now and crater later?

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  66. raisinsss

    2 years ago

    My guy Max made a big deal about he wanted to “chat with the brass” about the direction they’re taking and got shown the door.

    Did his fair share to contribute to the turd pile that was the 2023 Mets and I’d gladly see him gone for a portion of the $ and a can of low sodium spam. So underrated. The spam, obviously…

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    • King of Cards

      2 years ago

      This is like marrying a gold digger and then complaining that she left you for somebody richer.

      Max is a hired gun. He has no loyalty and neither do the Mets.

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      • seamaholic 2

        2 years ago

        No one in this business has any loyalty. I got news for you. They tell you they do because it makes sense to do so financially. But they don’t. You’ll find out when Arenado gets traded to the Dodgers, which is one of the places he has wanted to go all along (the Yankees being the other) but neither was in the market when his opt out came.

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  67. ChuckyNJ

    2 years ago

    Mets TV (SNY) saying Scherzer will waive his no-trade. CBS Sports saying it’s a done deal pending physicals and financial issues.
    Not only does Scherzer go to a team currently in first place, he’s going to a state that has no state income tax.
    LOLmets endures.

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    • GASoxFan

      2 years ago

      Could be everyone wants Max to waive his opt-out before the deal so the cash component is locked in.

      Mets don’t want to be on the hook for extra without the pound of flesh to go with it.

      Rangers don’t want to pay extra for salary relief next year and have max decline the player option, and get nothing for the extra cost.

      Max wants…. who knows?

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      • seamaholic 2

        2 years ago

        That’s not an issue. The dollar amount can be be conditional on whether he opts out or not. The leverage is all with the player, so there’s no chance he waives the opt out. What’s probably going on is him demanding the Rangers guarantee another year, or a parting gift when the contract runs out.

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        • GASoxFan

          2 years ago

          It appears the option IS an issue, and, I can’t blame the rangers for wanting it triggered one way or another.

          You want to know if you’re paying for a pure rental, or, for 1+ years.

          With an already obscene salary in place, I dont see raising it even higher as a palatable option for either team to assume, although, stranger things have happened.

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  68. Baez Caught me Sleeping

    2 years ago

    this is a bit out of date, Scherzer approved, they are working on financials now.

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 years ago

      Then he hasn’t approved. There would be no financials to work on if he’s approved.

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      • YankeesBleacherCreature

        2 years ago

        He can approve yet the Mets can still decline to trade him.

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  69. dbdmack

    2 years ago

    DeGrom told him the trainers in Texas are excellent. I’m very curious how much $alary that the Mets eat on this.

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  70. Cora the Destroya

    2 years ago

    This is a good move for the Rangers. Bravo.

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    • raisinsss

      2 years ago

      Not sure how we’re able to conclude that it’s a good move for anyone without knowing the prospects or $ involved….

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      • Cora the Destroya

        2 years ago

        To get a pitcher at his caliber in the midst of a playoff race is a good move. This will separate them from the rest of the teams in the division.

        It is good to know who is involved but still a great gamble for the Rangers.

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        • seamaholic 2

          2 years ago

          You sure he’s “that caliber” anymore? He has to be better than Dane Dunning for it to be an upgrade, even setting aside the money. I have my doubts.

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        • Astros Hot Takes

          2 years ago

          they better start separating soon @doom because after tonight’s games we’re just one back of them

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        • Cora the Destroya

          2 years ago

          He might be declining this year but the change of scenery could help, especially since he is headed to a winning team. He’s been a gamer his whole career, so a bad 4 months can easily change upon a new team and environment.

          It’s worth a gamble for a long postseason run.

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  71. DUDDUS

    2 years ago

    Take White, Foscue and/or Harris but no one else!

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  72. ba$eba||F@n21

    2 years ago

    He has agreed to waive the no trade clause, MLB Network has reported.

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  73. meckert

    2 years ago

    Rangers fans get ready to see alot of home runs sailing out of the park.

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    • DUDDUS

      2 years ago

      They hit their fair share, it’ll be fine.

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  74. reno24

    2 years ago

    Brock porter was just pulled from his start in single A.

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 years ago

      He pitched. False alarm.

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      • raisinsss

        2 years ago

        3.0 (good) ip. Don’t know if that’s consistent with his expected workload…

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        • Ma4170

          2 years ago

          52 pitches…. Hes been at around 70 pitches lately

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  75. titanic struggle

    2 years ago

    Remember when his arm passed away as a Dodger? Hard pass Nick Krall..

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    • BabeRuthsPiano

      2 years ago

      Remember when he was 7-0 down the stretch for the Dodgers

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  76. acoss13

    2 years ago

    Max wants another championship run, he’s getting traded.

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  77. Ma4170

    2 years ago

    Since we’re all speculating, looks like Acuna isnt in frisco’s lineup tonight

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  78. isolatedpower

    2 years ago

    Wow. So many layers.

    1) what do the Mets get in return? You have to get a blue chipper to go along with Jack Leiter. I know Leiter hasn’t shown much yet but kid’s got nasty stuff.

    2) how much do the Mets buy this contract down?

    3) is Verlander next and how the heck are they replacing Scherzer and/or Verlander in the rotation next year?

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    • raisinsss

      2 years ago

      1. Depends on the $
      2. Depends on the prospects
      3. $ and $

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      • isolatedpower

        2 years ago

        Luisangel acuña and Jack Leiter would be a good return. Mad Max doesn’t have much left in the tank

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    • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

      2 years ago

      Nope. You don’t need Leiter +. If they pay all of that contract and add in a reliever, maybe Leiter and a top 30 prospect in the org may go to the Mets. We will see, and I may be way off, but I know they aren’t trading Leiter AND a top 100 prospect for sure.

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  79. Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo

    2 years ago

    My man is not walking away from $43 million next year, not after how this year has gone.

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  80. Chris G.

    2 years ago

    Mets are reportedly getting back Acuña’s lil bro Luisangel. He’s the #44 prospect in mlb

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    • raisinsss

      2 years ago

      I don’t believe you

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      • Chris G.

        2 years ago

        He’s been scratched from his game and Andy Martino reported that it’s related to this trade. The players have been agreed upon just working out the financial aspects. Not sure if other players are involved as well.

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        • raisinsss

          2 years ago

          Must be paying allllll the $.

          This is good. Very good.

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    • Motor City Beach Bum

      2 years ago

      Combined with the return for Giolito that bodes well for other rentals.

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  81. Lefty_Orioles_Fan

    2 years ago

    Hey, I can dig this
    Nice to see a different team other than the Yankees or Dodgers

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  82. greatgame 2

    2 years ago

    No sticky stuff=higher ERA

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    • Yanks2

      2 years ago

      If batters can use pine tar, why shouldn’t pitchers be able to?

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      • GASoxFan

        2 years ago

        Yanks – different reasons, different effects.

        Pine tar gives a competitive advantage to a pitcher, doesn’t do anything for a batter such as hitting with more power or better contact.

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        • Yanks2

          2 years ago

          Pine tar gives the batter better grip of the baseball bat. It’s like batting gloves except more advantageous

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  83. AL B DAMNED

    2 years ago

    Ronald Acuna Jr younger brother going to Mets?

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    • Chris G.

      2 years ago

      That’s what Martino is reporting.

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    • isolatedpower

      2 years ago

      Yes, Luisangel

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      • Yanks2

        2 years ago

        I like that profile picture lol

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        • isolatedpower

          2 years ago

          Thanks! I just googled Yankees Jets in Google images. Felt this was great for mobtr and pro football rumors lol

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 years ago

      That would suggest the Mets bought a higher level prospect. I bet they’re covering not just all of this year but a big chunk of next year’s Scherzer salary. Or else the Rangers are getting someone else too.

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  84. larkraxm

    2 years ago

    One of the things not being discussed is that Scherezer wanted out of NY after his meeting with the GM. Perfect example of why the Mets and Padres spending like idiots doesn’t hurt small market teams. What if there was a cap and instead of signing these two dinosaurs (Verlander and Scherzer) they were in the mix for a guy like Eflin because of a cap and the Rays weren’t able to sign him?? The FA spending spree by knucklehead teams does not hurt the Brewers or Twins.

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    • Astros Hot Takes

      2 years ago

      100% correct

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  85. 10centBeerNight

    2 years ago

    If the return is a top TEX prospect, NYM fans should be thrilled. Won’t make the poor season go down easier, but that organization still has much work to do on the top end of farm. Lot of wild wacky speculation ok the internet, cuz that what the internet does. Believe it when the deal is finalized.

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    • Ma4170

      2 years ago

      Mets top end was one of the best preseason, but alvarez and baty came up. Their lack of depth is evident, but they have some guys that will be top 100 next year (mauricio is now… parada, tidwell, maybe williams and ramirez). Beyond that… (crickets)

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    • rct

      2 years ago

      If they actually get Acuña back, I will indeed be thrilled.

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  86. AL B DAMNED

    2 years ago

    Luisangel Acuna back to Mets in Scherzer deal to Rangers

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    • Guyerbassist

      2 years ago

      I hope he doesn’t opt out then. Isn’t he releated the acuna in Atlanta that’s a stud? Or is he not as highly touted as highly as him?

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      • Flanster

        2 years ago

        His brother . Not as highly rated as his brother, but a solid prospect

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        • Guyerbassist

          2 years ago

          Hopefully he doesn’t end up being as good as his brother or this will end up biting us in the ass

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    • DUDDUS

      2 years ago

      He’ll be ready before Seager and Semiens contracts end so makes sense.

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    • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

      2 years ago

      He was never a Met, so what do you mean back to Mets?

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      • Jdt8312

        2 years ago

        He means going to the Mets in return for Scherzer. C’mon man. Wasn’t that apparent?

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      • Sid Bream Speed Demon

        2 years ago

        Back to the Mets, as in Max going to the Rangers and Acuna going back to the Mets. It’s just a manner of speech, not sure why you need to be so obtuse.

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        • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

          2 years ago

          I genuinely thought there was a misunderstanding.

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  87. iH8PaperStraws

    2 years ago

    Hopefully Foscue is in the deal. He doesn’t have a path to the MLB in Texas.

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  88. AL B DAMNED

    2 years ago

    Luisangel Acuna back to Mets..means he is going back in the deal, not going back as a former Met!

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  89. AL B DAMNED

    2 years ago

    Deal reportedly ON HOLD FOR NOW!

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  90. Sid Bream Speed Demon

    2 years ago

    I just read on CBS Sports that Acuna is likely going to the Mets in the deal, they didn’t list any other players, and that the Mets are still working on getting Max to waive the NTC.

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  91. AL B DAMNED

    2 years ago

    Rangers could be pivoting towards Verlander instead of Scherzer, maybe.. Same deal in play for Verlander or Scherzer! Batman to Commissioner Manfred! Come in Commissioner!

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  92. Simm

    2 years ago

    Scherzer on top of taking the Mets money is going to give them one more kick in the balls and veto this trade.

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 years ago

      Would have nothing to do with kicking anyone in the balls, just whether the Rangers are willing to add some $$ to the deal to get him to pick up and move to Dallas for a couple months. It’s just business.

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      • Simm

        2 years ago

        You mean the Mets not the rangers. If they are trading acuna then the Mets should be paying allllll

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        • revpar35

          2 years ago

          You are highly under-valuing Scherzer and over-valuing Acuna.

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        • seamaholic 2

          2 years ago

          Whomever pays it (the CBA says it’s the acquiring team) the hold up whenever a guy with a NTC is traded is how much more money he gets. And you can’t negotiate that until the guy’s current team gives permission, which isn’t until the rest of the trade is finalized. This is just how it goes.

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    • Chris G.

      2 years ago

      He’s already agreed to it. The hold up now is the financials

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      • Chris G.

        2 years ago

        Nevermind, looks like the original reports were incorrect

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  93. BaseballisLife

    2 years ago

    Looks like the hold up is not prospects or financial terms between the teams, its money for Scherzer.

    Looking like Acuna, Porter, and another player.

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    • DUDDUS

      2 years ago

      No shot Porter is included. Unless the Mets pay this years salary and next years player option.

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      • User 1104686089

        2 years ago

        Jon Heyman I think said Acuna is the headliner. If Porter was included I think it would be framed as Porter and Acuna to New York. He is every it as interesting a prospect as Acuna

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 years ago

      Porter not included. He pitched tonight.

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  94. Ma4170

    2 years ago

    This would be a great return – Acuna is a legit prospect, top 100 with a ton of speed. Mets likely paying a lot of money, which is why there needs to be league approval. I give them credit, this is a good deal for them and their farm.

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    • User 1104686089

      2 years ago

      Yup, I am fine with this from a Rangers perspective as he is blocked in Texas. He will swing and miss some and will never have the power of his older brother. He does play good defense up the middle and runs like a friggin scared rabbit. Should be fun to watch in NYM

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      • Ma4170

        2 years ago

        Wonder if this paves the way for McNeil’s exit from NY, at least in the offseason

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  95. THEY LIVE!!!

    2 years ago

    Pending a complete physical including a mental evaluation of Scherzer…
    might be on hold for a few days.

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  96. DUDDUS

    2 years ago

    Mark Feinsand- “as of right now the deal is not happening”. Sherzer hasn’t waived the NTC. Maybe it won’t happen?

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  97. AL B DAMNED

    2 years ago

    Scott Boras has probably something to do with it!
    Hey Max, Heard there is no State income tax in Texas!

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 years ago

      But very high sales and property tax. Doesn’t make much difference.

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  98. LFGMets (Metsin7)

    2 years ago

    Just what we needed, more shortstop prospects. Its not like we have top defensive shortstop that is signed for the next 11 years. Its not like 4 of our top prospects would be natural shortstops now (Jett Williams, Mauricio, Acuna, Houck). Congats to Billy Eppler, another blunder as a GM. I dont know how this guy keeps getting job after job after job. Hes made millions off doing absolutly nothing. He destroys franchises. We need STARTING PITCHING and RELIEVERS. They really couldn’t of gotten Jack Leiter and Kumar Rocker for Scherzer? I’d take even Langford for him. We dont need another shortstop

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    • User 1104686089

      2 years ago

      Acuna has played some CF because if he started with us he was blocked by Seager. We can’t trade Lankford in the same year we drafted him btw

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      • LFGMets (Metsin7)

        2 years ago

        @chris44 Didnt know that was a rule, my bad then

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    • mookie1

      2 years ago

      @LFGMets

      He’s an elite talent, so if he can play SS, he can play OF, 3B or 2B. I don’t love Eppler either, but it’s a steal to trade a recent FA signing for a top 50 MLB prospect.

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      • LFGMets (Metsin7)

        2 years ago

        @mookie1 i disagree. Its a better than not chance that the Mets are paying atleast half his salary that hes owed. Is that really worth Acuna? I disagree unless he comes with Leiter, Rocker, or Brock Porter

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        • juanc-2

          2 years ago

          Is the money coming out of your pocket? Will it somehow hamper Cohens spending in the off-season?

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        • mookie1

          2 years ago

          @LFGMets

          The money doesn’t matter, it’s a sunk cost, and Cohen has tons of it. Which player will help the Mets win more games in 2024 and beyond? Scherzer or Acuna? Also, as others have pointed out, when you draft and trade for minor leaguers, you always go with best available.

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    • raisinsss

      2 years ago

      Drew Smith moving to rotation.

      How does that make you feel?

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      • LFGMets (Metsin7)

        2 years ago

        @raisinsss there is a better chance of Drew Smith striking out the side than there is him ever making anyones starting rotation ever

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      You trade for talent, not positions of need in the minors. Talent can always be flipped later.

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  99. jvent

    2 years ago

    The Mets don’t need SS’s jeez they need pitching prospects and OF prospects

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    • Perksy

      2 years ago

      They can get that when they trade, Cahna, Pham, and Verlander.

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      • mgomrjsurf

        2 years ago

        Also others to if McNeil,Nimmo were to get moved.

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    • RockinRobin

      2 years ago

      Just cuz they are SS in the minors doesn’t mean they would play there in the majors. Acuña has played 82 games at 2B (and 200 at SS). Maybe he moves to the OF..

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  100. Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

    2 years ago

    This irritates me souch. He’s already not earning the contract, they found a top contender to send him to for another playoff run, and even then he’s still holding the Mets hostage. I know it’s the Mets fault for signing the contract, but he’s still a P.O.S. person and I hope he has to retire sooner than later. I’m over his childish behavior and selfish b.s.

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    • GASoxFan

      2 years ago

      He’s just a guy exercising the rights he bargained for.

      You want to fault someone, fault the Mets for offering the no trade, option, and money to start with.

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 years ago

      He’s not holding the Mets hostage, he’s holding the Rangers hostage. This is the whole reason guys want no-trade clauses.

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      • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

        2 years ago

        If you think his 4.00 ERA is going to save their season, we have a lot more to talk about than who he’s holding hostage. He’s not holding the Rangers hostage because there are other options and better options.

        He’s holding the Mets hostage because they are trying to find him a good landing spot, working out the financial issues with a deal so dramatically under water. All to hopefully save a little bit of money in the interum while they reshuffle the deck.

        The people benefitting the most are Scherzer and the Mets, he’s get a playoff team and keeps making a fortune to play a game. The Mets save some money and recoup a prospect. He doesn’t need to negotiate for a million dolars to waive his clause.

        Now, Scherzer is well within his rights to ask for compensation to waive his no trade clause, but he’s a jerk for doing that. His performance is literally a major factor in why they weren’t a more competitive team. He was paid to be an ace, not a #3 or #4.

        Personally, if I was the Mets, I’d tell him that either you do the deal and shut your mouth or I’ll make sure if you opt into next season,the first time you struggle, I’ll option you to AAA.

        The narrative being you’ll either opt out and lose the remaining money or finish your career in AAA, if you aren’t making a meaningful contribution to the success of this team.

        He may have the right to hold them over a barrel, but that roght goes both ways in business. They’re paying him and as such have a right to deploy him in the way they feel best helps their team.

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        • Churchill’s Pancakes

          2 years ago

          They can’t option him to AAA. It’s a major league contract. The only minor leagues he can be sent to is for rehab assignments.

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        • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

          2 years ago

          Yes they can, he can decline the option, but would lose the remainder of the money on his contract. Don’t believe me, look up Kei Igawa, Scott Kingery, etc. The process is that the team options them to the minors, they then can decline the option because of service time and become a free agent, they would then lose the remainder of their money left on their contract, as part of the optioning process, they must clear waivers, but nobody would take on that contract, so it’s a formality.

          Read below….

          Right to Refuse Outright Assignment or Elect Free-Agency if Outrighted

          Per Article XIX-A of the CBA, any player on an MLB 40-man roster who has accrued at least five years of MLB Service Time (as well as an international player with Article XIX-A contractual rights) has the right to refuse an Outright Assignment to the minors, or the player can elect to be a free-agent immediately upon being outrighted, or he can accept the Outright Assignment and defer his option to elect free-agency until after the conclusion of the MLB regular season.

          However, an Article XIX-A player who accepts an Outright Assignment and defers his option to elect free-agency until after the conclusion of the MLB regular season forfeits his right to elect free-agency (as an Article XIX-A minor league free-agent) if he is added back to an MLB 40-man roster prior to the conclusion of the MLB regular season.

          If a player with Article XIX-A rights refuses an Outright Assignment but does not elect free-agency, the club must either retain the player on the club’s MLB Reserve List (40-man roster), trade the player, or give the player his unconditional release.

          If a player with Article XIX-A rights does not refuse an Outright Assignment but then elects to be a free-agent immediately after being outrighted, his contract is terminated and he receives no termination pay. But if the player accepts the Outright Assignment and defers his right to be a free-agent until the conclusion of the MLB regular season, the player continues to get paid, receiving the balance of his salary through to the end of the season. And then if the outrighted player is not subsequently added back to an MLB 40-man roster prior to the conclusion of the MLB regular season, the player can elect free-agency anytime beginning on the day after the conclusion of the MLB regular season through October 15th.

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        • Churchill’s Pancakes

          2 years ago

          Maybe I used poor phrasing but my point is the same, they can’t send him to AAA because he won’t go. He won’t elect FA if they DFA him and releasing the player does not absolve the team from paying the contract. Kingery is still being paid the contract he signed. That money goes against they CBT. He is in the minors because no team wanted him at league minimum.

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    • Yanks2

      2 years ago

      I’m not too familiar with the National League or teams that aren’t the Yankees. Just curious, how is Madmax selfish and childish?

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      • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

        2 years ago

        $130M/3 yr deal, he’s going to a top 5 AL team and division leader, yet he holds up the trade to get something for them trading him to a contender to let him potentially play in October. He should take the win as a way overpaid 4.17 ERA 39 y.o. and go to the other team without compensation for waiving the no-trade clause. Also what player says to the press they need to have a discussion with the front office about the direction of the team. He should focus on pitching instead of running the club, maybe he won’t suck so much!

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        • GASoxFan

          2 years ago

          Aside from being entitled to the benefits of the bargain he made, once scherzer is traded he gets to arrange alternate housing and relocate to a new in-season home, with all the complications that brings.

          That’s not free.

          So, it’s fair to say he makes a bunch of cash. It’s fair to say he gets a shot at playing on a contender. But, he also earned the right to decide what he is willing to give up and/or pay above and beyond what he expected to in the process.

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        • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

          2 years ago

          Yeah, but I guess $43M eases the concerns. None of that argument means anything. He is lucky that his old team the Mets were willing to work through the headache of getting him to a contender, so he with only a couple years left in his career could chance one more championship. They could’ve just done nothing and let him spend this year watching October baseball from the couch and maybe even next year as well. If you don’t think the Mets went out of their way to help him land with a contender/get rid of him, you’re not paying attention.

          This is the point… He has the right to do all that you say, but he’s still a jerk. People put out candy at Halloween and then put a sign that says “please take one”, some greedy kid comes along and dumps the whole thing in his bucket and walks down the street without a care in the world, most of the time proud of themselves. The point is ethics versus consequence. We all know you can take the whole bowl of candy, but the right thing to do is take one, so every kids gets some. However, there’s always one kid that needs to take every last piece and that greedy kid is Max Scherzer.

          Just because he has leverage doesn’t mean he had to use it, he could’ve realized that his contract already screwed the team because he wasn’t living up to it and worse they had to take on money to get rid of him, the fans missed the playoffs because he failed to live up to his contract and pitch to the value of the deal, he let down his team because his inability to pitch to the level he was expected to produce meant other players had to compensate for his lack of performance. Yet, he had to drag out the process long enough to get $1M more?

          He’s going to lose 1/2 of it to taxes anyways, so what is the point? To prove he had a right to do it? We know that! To prove he could do it, despite being an overpaid, under-performing has-been? We know that too! How about he has a little humility and says, “I’m sorry I didn’t live up to my contract this year, I should’ve been better, but I’m glad the Mets worked to find me another team with a chance at the postseason, and I appreciate what the team did to get me this opportunity!” That last part never happened, because he lacks character, something that isn’t part of the contract, but which definitely defines him as a person.

          I guess where we disagree is you are debating his entitlement to do what he did, while I’m debating the ethics of what he did. Nobody disagrees with you that it was his right to do it, but ethically, it makes him look bad for doing it because he could’ve gone to Texas without forcing the extra compensation.

          By the way, I’m the first one to talk about the hassles that professional athletes deal with and it sucks being inconvenienced, but he could find a condo in Texas and deal with the New York crap in the offseason, it’s two months away, maybe three if he’s lucky. None of that really matters because the money he makes factors in the inconvenience of celebrity, moving around the country, constant travel for work, and being pushed-and-pulled by the media for interviews and comments.

          Nobody said he had to be a professional athlete, he could’ve been a school teacher and made $50K and had his summers free to travel in an RV or worked in a factory and dreamed of the day he made it into management and he could be the Denali version of the GMC Yukon he has been dreaming about buying when he refinances his house. I’m trying to say this a bunch of different ways, so the point lands, but the takeaway is that ethics is knowing when you’re still owed something and knowing when you’ve overstayed your welcome. He clearly does not understand that distinction.

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        • capnfatback

          2 years ago

          Wow, I’m sorry Hall-of-Fame pitcher Max Scherzer gave you that swirlie or whatever. It’s clear it’s still gnawing at you.

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  101. Deleted Userr

    2 years ago

    Why even bother talking to the Rangers about him if they don’t know if he will waive his NTC? I feel like asking him if he’ll accept a trade should be the first step.

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    • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

      2 years ago

      There are 29 teams to choose from, but only 2 outcomes for the player to choose from. Also, there is way more uncertainty with who can be traded, and with how much cash. They can just bribe him a little to get it done, but the other team is harder to work with.

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 years ago

      That’s not the purpose of no trade clauses. They exist purely for players to extract more money (or another year) out of an acquiring team. So Scherzer doesn’t know if he’ll approve the deal or not until he’s negotiated with the Rangers. When a player has a partial no-trade clause, he lists teams he WANTS to be traded to in addition to the ones he doesn’t. NTC’s are sort of like trade kickers by another name..

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      • Deleted Userr

        2 years ago

        No, some players use it to block trades entirely and others use it to control WHO they get traded to. Players with limited NTC’s usually block the teams they feel are most likely to try and trade for them. Like, they orpbsbly aren’t going to put a division rival or a rebuilding team on their list because those teams aren’t going to trade for them anyway.

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      • Deleted Userr

        2 years ago

        @seamaholic 2 Yes it is the purpose of no-trade clauses. Eduardo Rodriguez just used his to block a trade to the Dodgers, for instance.

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  102. 10centBeerNight

    2 years ago

    Next update with say “Feisand overruled by Rosenthal, Olney, Martino, Wakeman & Howe”. We have entered the clickbait zone, fellas

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    • mgomrjsurf

      2 years ago

      But none of ESPN Insiders are reporting this Trade yet. Hopefully we do have some Trades tonight,

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  103. RockinRobin

    2 years ago

    Not a done deal yet. For Max, not sure why he wouldn’t want to go to Texas. He goes to a first place team and teams up with Maddux again. What’s not to like?

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    • King of Cards

      2 years ago

      Yeah it’s not enough he’s making 43 million he isn’t earning. Chase more dollars!!!

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  104. LordD99

    2 years ago

    Waiving an NTC often requires a cash incentive. Scherzer knows the richest owner in sports can toss in a few more dollars.

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  105. Highwaymenace

    2 years ago

    Signing big time free agents and then trading them for top prospects is a good move for a team with the money to do so. Liking cohen so far, goes for the win but is able to recognize reality and treat each season independently. Such a far cry from the previous owner.

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    • King of Cards

      2 years ago

      Yeah hard not to like this as a fan. This ain’t no rebuild its a reload.

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  106. Tigersin2050

    2 years ago

    Scherzer has performed worse than Verlander this season, but he would be re-uniting with Mike Maddux, the pitching coach he had with Washington where he won two Cy Young Awards and a World Series.

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  107. THEY LIVE!!!

    2 years ago

    7:45pm: Feinsand relays that Scherzer has not yet waived his no-trade clause.
    Maybe Scherzer wants to go an NL team like the Dodgers?

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  108. 10centBeerNight

    2 years ago

    Leverage. Posturing. He and his agent are shrewd. I’d bet it’s worked out, but certainly could the quality of return to NYM

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  109. In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

    2 years ago

    How dumb is this fool for trying to say he wants to keep his option to opt out? The Rangers can just keep him for cheaper next year and see him as a rental next year. I don’t see the point of this mastering. If he doesn’t opt out, the Mets can conditionally offer 30 MM for Acuna hypothetically. How hard can it be for a Princeton guy to figure this out??

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 years ago

      Maybe he hates Dallas. Plenty of people do (including, in my experience, a fair number who live there).

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      • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

        2 years ago

        He doesn’t have to live there. I get where you are going, but I remember those 1 hour rides to college that were 3 miles (from campus to home), and I can assure you there are countless issues with urban areas, too.

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  110. desertbull

    2 years ago

    What do the Rangers see in washed up Max? He has collapsed the last 3 years in September/October and will likely be average at best.

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    • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

      2 years ago

      Well, ever since Chris Young took over he seems to think throwing ridiculous money at ex-Mets pitchers is a good team building plan. I’m not sure people realize how close the Rangers are to collapsing right out of the playoff picture. The Rangers team ERA for the month of July was 5.69, the Angels 5.19, the Athletics 5.11, the Astros 4.74, while the Mariners was 3.51 for comparison. For offense, the Rangers combination of hitting, baserunning, and defense has added up in July to a 5.5 WAR total. Seattle has a 4.6 WAR over the same time, the Angels a 3.8 WAR total, the Astros a 3.1 WAR total, and the Athletics a 1.9 WAR total. We know why the A’s suck. We can see why the Angels will miss the playoffs, and why the Astros aren’t the Al favorites they once were, but the difference between what the Mariners were at the start of the season and what they are now means the Rangers are going to have to bounce back quickly or their current 4-6 record over the last 10 games might be a sign of things to come with Seager and Heim injured.

      Aside from Eovaldi, their rotation is garbage and to be clear Eovaldi has been in the league 12 years and has only made more than 22 starts in three seasons (’14, ’15, and ’21), his ERA those years was 4.37, 4,20, and 3.75. Most importantly, he has never pitched more than 199.2 IP in a season. He’s only had three years where he threw more than 124.2 IP and that was 199.2 IP (2014), 154.1 (2015) and 182.1 (2021). His career ERA is 4.03. There is nothing in his history to believe that Eovaldi can sustain his current level of success, there’s also nothing in his history that shows he is durable, or won’t bend to fatigue as he starts to blow through innings totals and numbers of starts that he is not accustomed to throwing. Jon Gray is doing fine, but he’s a #3 at best, while Perez and Heaney are the #4 and #5, but pitch like long relievers thrust into a spot start. Their offense was never as good as people thought it was in the beginning of the season and it is definitely not good enough to make up for their rotation and bullpen.

      I’ve seen better teams than the Ranger collapse in the dog days of August and September, and I don’t think Scherzer is enough to prevent that from happening. They need two more #2 or better starters, one more high-leverage reliever, and an outfielder. Even then, the numbers on the back of their bubble gum cards say their offense is going to crater sooner-than-later. I mean, what’s less likely to happen, J-Rod stays below a .750 OPS the rest of the year or Seager posts an OPS over .950, which he hasn’t done since his cup of coffee in the majors over 27 games back in 2015 when he was 21 years old. My point is that Seager has an OPS .129 higher than his best OPS in a season with 400 PAs or more. Garcia has an OPS .083 better than his best season, Heim has an OPS .119 points higher than his best season, Jankowski .075 points better than his best season, Taveras .093 points better than his best season, while Jung, Duran, and Smith all are around .150 points higher than their previous season. The only guys playing to their career levels are Lowe, Semien, Miller, and Garver. That’s a whole lot of career years and outliers propping up a crappy pitching staff.

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      • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

        2 years ago

        Took like minites, not even days to be proven roght about Eovaldi. They have one heck of a rotstion on the Dal with DeGrom, Eovaldi, and Odorizzi.

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  111. King of Cards

    2 years ago

    He won’t drop the opt out? He’s making 43 million and having a bad year come on lol.

    This guy is too much.

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  112. CardsFan57

    2 years ago

    So the Rangers won’t trade unless they get to pay $43 million next year for a pitcher who has been league average this year. That same pitcher will torpedo the deal rather than waive an opt out he’s never going to take. Wow.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      Max has earned his contractual rights. It sounds like the Rangers want reassurances that he’s playing for them next year bc they will also be including prospects for the trade. Mets will just send more money for them. This may take until Monday to finalize if it does.

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 years ago

      Mets are paying most of it.

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      • YankeesBleacherCreature

        2 years ago

        Yep. $35MM while the Rangers will only pay $22.5MM for this year and next.

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        • Ma4170

          2 years ago

          As a met fan im happy texas is paying 22.5M next year. Good for both teams

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  113. aragon

    2 years ago

    Texas cbeapos!

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  114. raisinsss

    2 years ago

    Odds that he opts out next year… 50-1?

    He can’t seriously be worried about that. Pure posturing.

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 years ago

      Sure he can. If he pitches well the last two months into the playoffs, and he doesn’t like Dallas, he might easily opt out and end his career somewhere he wants to be. The lost dollars won’t concern him much.

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      • raisinsss

        2 years ago

        Yep. I’m putting the odds of a hypothetical combo of pitching like 2019 Scherzer and dislike of playing there at 50-1.

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      • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

        2 years ago

        That would be two no-hitters, a couple more complete games with a shutout and an ERA around 1.50 to get someone to offer a 40 year old coming off a 4.00 ERA at the end of July, just the year before anything close to what he’s going to make in 2024. He’s not sniffing $30M in free agency, let alone $43M.

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  115. Motor City Beach Bum

    2 years ago

    Good. Texas can pivot and trade those prospects to the Tigers instead!

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    • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

      2 years ago

      Give me those fresh, young relievers, and feed me Skubal. Take, Duran, Porter/Leiter, and Harris.

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      • Motor City Beach Bum

        2 years ago

        Moot point now. Another big return on a pitcher.

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  116. King of Cards

    2 years ago

    Why would the Rangers want to guarantee the option? That I don’t understand. If the Mets are paying some I am sure that could be worked out on the 1 in 1000 chance he actually does opt out.

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 years ago

      Opt outs are always good for the player, bad for the team. Always, no exceptions.

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      • filihok

        2 years ago

        Wrong.

        People who say this don’t understand negotiations.

        Let’s start with the idea that optouts are good for the player. They are! Thus, they have value to the player. Since, they have value to the player, the team should get something in return for including the optout.

        Let’s say that a team and player are close to a (contract that is mathematically easy) 5 year $100 million contract. $20 million per year.

        The player asks for an optout after year 3. Again, that optout has value.

        So, it’s not going to be 5 years $100 million with an opt out. It’s going to be 5 years and $90 million (or whatever( with an optout. The player gets the optout, and the team gets $2 million (or whatever) less per season.

        Thus, the optout has value for the team as well, because they pay the payer less by including it. .

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  117. THEY LIVE!!!

    2 years ago

    My gut tells me Scherzer doesn’t want to be traded… at least not before Verlander hoping for a better place to land, either LA or Atlanta??

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  118. DarkSide830

    2 years ago

    Just Acuña?

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 years ago

      Not sure, but it’s reported the Mets are paying a ton of the salary, so maybe there’s another prospect involved.

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      • DarkSide830

        2 years ago

        I mean, gotta be, right?

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      • mgomrjsurf

        2 years ago

        Good it’s done but no MLB Network to watch coverage and MLB APP no coverage and yes more in deal we can hope,

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  119. Hurricane Sandy

    2 years ago

    I can’t even begin to describe to you how much I hate Max Scherzer lol. The fans absolutely hate him at this point, but he would rather stick around and get booed for the rest of his home games instead of join a contender and lock in the money that he’s never going to get from anyone else because he SUCKS! This guy is such a D-bag. Talk about being in it only for yourself. I can’t believe any other team in the league actually wants this turd on their team. He won’t be happy until the Mets are paying him to literally sit at home, which I don’t doubt that they would do at some point.

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    • Yanks2

      2 years ago

      He’s arguably one of the best pitchers in the last decade. I don’t mean to sound like a typical troll on here but I doubt you’ve accomplished even 1% of what Scherzer had accomplished. You’re clearly jealous trash talking a future HOF pitcher because you have nothing better to do

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      • raisinsss

        2 years ago

        @Yanks2

        This comment says more about you than anyone else.

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      • Hurricane Sandy

        2 years ago

        Yes, dude lol obviously I have nothing better to do just like everyone else that’s here commenting on the story right now. As a Mets fan, I am very displeased that Max Scherzer is still on this team. I really wanted him gone. He has come here and done absolutely nothing for us. He is over paid, he has a tremendous ego, and he actually hates the fans enough that he would like to pitch terribly in front of them into his 40s instead of contending on another team for top dollar. Remember, dude, I am a fan, I am not a baseball player. As a fan, why should anybody give one flying turd about Max Scherzer‘s Hall of Fame career except if you’re a Nationals fan when he actually did something for them. He has done nothing for us except embarrass us and bring us misery. The least you can do for us is go away. That is all. I am married with two kids and I have a job, I am satisfied with my life. I don’t need to have accomplished what Max Scherzer has accomplished lol. Is that how you judge everyone in your life?

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        • Hurricane Sandy

          2 years ago

          It’s not just that he’s been bad. Other people have been bad like Jason Bay etc. it’s just that Max Scherzer is arguably THE reason we have flamed out so terribly since the second half of last year. To me, it would reflect more pathetically on me if I woke up every morning, saying hey that Max Scherzer sure has had a darn good career! knowing that he really doesn’t care about Mets fans or the Mets. He only cares about his money that is all. No need to hero worship troll players.

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        • raisinsss

          2 years ago

          Can’t pin it all on one person.

          I’d say maybe 5 of the 25 guys on the roster met or exceeded expectations.

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        • Hurricane Sandy

          2 years ago

          To be honest with you, I More think that a lot of the guys over performed last year as opposed to disappointed this year, but in Scherzer’s case, you can ask absolutely say that he is a huge disappointment. He’s literally the head of the players union and demanding to get paid top dollar and comes here and completely [poops] the bed. He should be embarrassed, but he has too much pride for that.

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        • raisinsss

          2 years ago

          Maybe.

          I see Alvarez, senga, nimmo, robertson, Pham, and to a lesser extent alonso, lindor, and verlander (recently) as having performed near standard.

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        • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

          2 years ago

          It’s a hell of a lot of money they threw at him to be unwaveringly great no matter what. The greater the contract, the more expectation that your contributions be significant and frequent towards the ultimate goal of winning games. I get he’s human, but he demanded that money and he sure as heck didn’t sit down at the table to negotiate the deal and said, I’ll give you one really really good year, one not so good year, and we’ll play the third season by ear! He went in promising excellence and should be held to that standard. As the saying goes, “heavy is the head that wears the crown.”

          That contract was a beacon of promise to the city, the fans, the players, and the organization in general that he was going to perform exceptionally for the next three years. He didn’t, it wasn’t terrible, but it sure as heck wasn’t close to earning the contract he was getting paid. Comparing his failures to the resources that were used to acquire him through free agency, his failure has to be considered the most egregious.

          I mean the Mariners had expectations for Kelenic the last couple years and he was anything but the player they expected, but his failures or lack of success at times didn’t prevent them from winning 90 games in back-to-back seasons, but that’s because he was $600K of a $120M+ payroll. As opposed to Scherzer being $43M of a $340 million dollar payroll, meaning he was 11% of the payroll and that carries extra expectations, regardless of how unfair that might seem.

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      • filihok

        2 years ago

        I don’t know if they are jealous.

        Pretty immature though.

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      • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

        2 years ago

        What makes you feel you need to defend him? Does he have naked pictures of you? We are entitled to our opinion and just because something is a certain way, doesn’t mean we have to agree with it or how it plays out for the people involved. Your argument about what “Hurricane Sandy” has done in their lifetime is irrelevant and quite honestly a poor excuse for a comment, if this was “Around The Horn”, you’d get a buzzer and silenced for 10 seconds for that crap. There is nothing remotely similar to jealousy when talking about how he handled this situation. It is not a binary choice.

        The options are not, he is a future HOF Pitcher, a wonderful human being, and a shrewd negotiator or he’s a bad pitcher, a horrible person, and a jerk the Mets wish they never signed. Those are not the two choices. I and Hurricane Sandy both see him pretty similarly and while I can only glean from his writing what he feels currently about his situation, I would imagine any rational baseball fan would surmise that he is a great pitcher and most likely going to be inducted in the Hall of Fame when his career is over. That being said, if your idea of value personally and socially as a person is determined by pitching stats, box scores, and accomplishments playing baseball, you really don’t understand what matters in life.

        His accomplishments are notable, but he didn’t solve world hunger, find a way to grow crops of food in a desert, create world peace, find a cure for cancer, or solve any of a number of other epidemics facing society like homelessness, opioid of fentanyl deaths/addiction, or human trafficking? No. I love baseball more than just about anyone I have ever met, but get some perspective, seriously. Jealousy and disapproval of someone’s actions are not related in the least. If anything, you giving him a pass on his behavior because of being a fanboy for his career is an indictment of your character as well, without even pointing out your attitude on his comment compared to the fanbase you represent. and the abhorrent way they act towards athletes.

        Your attacks weren’t “trolling”, they were merely more petty. misguided, and hypocritical as a Yankee fan than anything else. The only truth is that Scherzer was an excellent pitcher. Also true is that there is an expiration on that because time catches up to all of us. He’s no longer great, sometimes good, but most of the times more average than anything else. He is probably going to be elected into the hall of fame, it may take a few tries because there are a number of writers who also thinks he’s a jerk, but I’m confident he’ll get there. I’m also confident that I will never take time to listen to his speech or tune into another thing he says once his career is over. I won’t be the only one who has or will say that, I guarantee you and it’s not due to jealously or his greatness casting a shadow over my life. Everything Hurricane Sandy said above is justifiable and I agree as well with their opinion, even as a Mariners fan with no vested interest other than excitement that his acquisition means less resources (prospects and money) to land better players who might actually help the Rangers win.

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        • Hurricane Sandy

          2 years ago

          What you saw me post yesterday was just raw, sports-fueled emotion lol. I know Scherzer’s bottom-line numbers haven’t looked terrible, but EVERY time we’ve needed him to step up in a big spot he gets POUNDED. It was brutal to experience. Listen, of course Scherzer’s a terrific pitcher over the course of his career, I would never deny that, and in retrospect yeah I went a little nuts perhaps, but nobody likes these mercenary free agent athletes that demand respect and money but don’t perform. The NBA is filled with them and unwatchable for that reason. At this point, I found Max Scherzer unwatchable because I saw him as an overpaid blowhard who has a huge hand in killing 2 seasons but still wants to be treated the same as if he were leading the Nationals. It doesn’t work like that, he was a terrible Met and I had enough. The final straw was when he was holding the trade up over NOT wanting a $43 million guarantee- as if he’s even worth that. Sometimes as fans, we have to send messages to our franchises and the players to push them in a certain direction, and that’s all I was doing. I know lot of people don’t come to this website for that kind of experience, and find it distasteful. But you can just scroll past the comments you don’t like. Good day all.

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  120. Simm

    2 years ago

    Rangers got hosed in this deal, no money coming for next year?

    Well done Mets.

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 years ago

      If that’s true then yes, the Rangers got majorly hosed. That’s a bad, bad deal, albeit one with a high upside if somehow Max finds his form from last year. Maybe Texas thinks they can fix something.

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  121. SODOMOJO

    2 years ago

    Acuna brothers both playing in the NL East

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    • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

      2 years ago

      I’m sure they like the older brother and hope he might be a fraction of that when he finishes developing as a player, it also might help with enticing Acuna to come to the Mets as a free agent when his contract is over. It might be early to think about it now, but with the way he’s playing, it might not be early enough.

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  122. Fred McGriff HR

    2 years ago

    Poor LuisAngel Acuna, being traded to the Mets.

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    • getrealgone2

      2 years ago

      oh please. Give me a break you bozo. Braves front office wasn’t sitting there with guns held on Acuna to sign that contract.

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      • ilikebaseball 2

        2 years ago

        Says the guy who thinks multimillionaires are being exploited. Don’t you have a kids birthday party to work?

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      • flamingbagofpoop

        2 years ago

        It’s sad how jealous you are of rich people.

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      • filihok

        2 years ago

        Of course multimillionaires can be exploited

        This StephCurry guy does seem like a jackass, though.

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      • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

        2 years ago

        No, he tried, but he can’t get his foot in the door with that business!

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    • Bfree

      2 years ago

      Yes because the rangers are such a great historical franchise.

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    • ilikebaseball 2

      2 years ago

      Clown comment. No one forces anyone to sign for 100 million guaranteed.

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    • juanc-2

      2 years ago

      Harris, Strider, Murphy, Olsen, and Riley are from third world countries?

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      • filihok

        2 years ago

        Well…

        1) “first world” and “third world” is an outdated concept

        2) The United States in many ways (wealth distribution being one of the biggest) is similar to those types of countries, yes,

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    • GASoxFan

      2 years ago

      If Cohen had the young talent worth extending the ways that the braves have, and ran an organization those players wanted to stick around in, you can bet he would.

      So would all 29 other owners, to the extent they could. Except maybe Nutting. He probably doesn’t care enough.

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    • Fred McGriff HR

      2 years ago

      StephCurryRetiresWith8Rings

      What country is Acuna’s brother from?

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      • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

        2 years ago

        Venezuela, the second biggest oil producing nation in the world and one of the richest countries in the world as well until Chavez and Maduro took over and turned it into literally the worst combination of North Korea, Cuba, and Mexico.

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    • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

      2 years ago

      He’ll be making $5M in his pre-arb years there, so I’m sure he’s fine with it.

      (sarcasm)

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  123. DUDDUS

    2 years ago

    If it’s just Acuna going back then it’s hard not to be excited about this. The guys basically Giolito this year

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 years ago

      Should be noted that Acuna is rated as high as he is mostly because of his age (21 in AA). And to be fair, also because of who his brother is. Sometimes guys who blow through the minors at a very young age and generate lots of attention hit a wall. It happens pretty often, and maybe Texas doesn’t think as highly of Acuna as the public prospect boards.

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      • Sunday Lasagna

        2 years ago

        @seamaholic 2 the brother factor is interesting. The Dodgers once had these Martinez brothers. The older brother was tall, more of a classic pitchers build and had early success, the younger brother was short, not athletically built, and was sent to the Expos in a trade before he had a chance to prosper……..never know on these brothers.

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        • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

          2 years ago

          J.D. has a brother? Who?? Seriously though, Ramon was no slouch, 25.9 bWAR, 135 wins career, and a 3.67 ERA, but 6’4, 165 lbs. is hardly the ideal pitchers frame. I mean I guess with all the blow they were doing in the ’80s and ’90s, it was more the norm for pitchers back then, but I’d say anything less that 190 to 200 lbs. regardless of height is undersized by baseball perspective.

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  124. Deleted Userr

    2 years ago

    Mets have to pay $36.5m of the remaining money owed to Scherzer to make this fair. Unless he opts out.

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    • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

      2 years ago

      That’s very close to true. 43.3 million next year and 14-15 ish this year in a third of a season. And reports are the Mets pay it down to 22.5 MM

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  125. Sunday Lasagna

    2 years ago

    By Sept 1, Mets and Padres will be over .500 and the Reds, Marlins & Diamondbacks will be under .500 It’s inevitable for the Reds, Marlins and Diamondbacks to follow in the Pirates footsteps. Without Scherzer and Robertson the Mets are still a better than .500 team in terms of talent, as are the Pads.

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    • Biggie22

      2 years ago

      The pirates played really well for 3-4 weeks & then crashed…. All the other teams you’ve mentioned have played consistently well for 3-4 months…. Not remotely the same situation…

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      • Sunday Lasagna

        2 years ago

        It’s inevitable. The Reds, Marlins and Diamondacks will go under .500

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      • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

        2 years ago

        Dude, come on, Pirates, crashed, Clemente, reel it in buddy! How about before they slowed down, lost ground, or even started to regress to their normal pursuit of the top draft pick! I’d say crashed in general is probably a poor choice of vernacular when talking about baseball players.

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  126. squishy

    2 years ago

    Say what you about how he’s played this year but this feels like a really good bold move from the Rangers front office.

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  127. Logjammer D"Baggagecling

    2 years ago

    So it’s a straight up Scherzer for Luisangel Acuna?

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 years ago

      Scherzer and a large shipping container of cash, yeah.

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      • raisinsss

        2 years ago

        Not as large as it could have been…

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  128. jonnymac2for1

    2 years ago

    Terrible trade by the Rangers.

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    • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

      2 years ago

      Texas is supposedly only paying 22.5 million over 1.333 seasons, which is around 17 million dollars AAV. This is not much for a guy with potential. Acuna had no place in Texas anyways.

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      • Ma4170

        2 years ago

        With Max’s current numbers he’d make more than $17M so thats good value for them

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  129. desertbull

    2 years ago

    Max is done. He was done 3 years ago when he completely ran out of gas in the post season with the Dodgers

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    • ilikebaseball 2

      2 years ago

      Drama queens always exaggerate. Today is the 2 year anniversary of Dodgers getting Max and Trea.

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  130. TheFuzzofKing

    2 years ago

    Forget Kershaw, Scherzer is the biggest playoff jinx in the league.

    Watch that game with a bucket in your lap, pal.

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  131. StupendousYappi

    2 years ago

    As I predicted months ago the Mets aren’t going nowhere. Go back and check the posts many of the people on this site made fun of me for saying it. Well who’s laughing now?

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    • raisinsss

      2 years ago

      We’re laughing at you, not with you.

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    • Sunday Lasagna

      2 years ago

      Mets will be over .500 by Sept 1

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      • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

        2 years ago

        Getting rid of Scherzer is probably just what the team needed. Now if only they could find someone to pitch league average to replace him.

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    • meckert

      2 years ago

      Yay Nostradamus!

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  132. Moneyballer

    2 years ago

    Mets paying a lot of max’s remaining contract. Acuna is a good pickup, he’s been raking down on the farm. I give the mets a B+ and the Rangers a B-

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    • raisinsss

      2 years ago

      .830 ops, solid d, fast, premium ss position, and -3.5 age diff at AA

      Good get for a declining 2.5 war grandpa and cash.

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  133. TheFuzzofKing

    2 years ago

    I admire what Steve Cohen did over the winter and I admire what he did tonight.

    I hope my team starts indiscriminately buying big free agents and then buying great prospects when the big free agents don’t work out.

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  134. R.D.

    2 years ago

    As a braves fan this is worst case scenario. Horrible trade by the rangers for ol “dead arm” scherzer

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  135. wifflemeister

    2 years ago

    Texas will rue the day that they gave up the younger Acuna for an aging pitcher

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  136. 10centBeerNight

    2 years ago

    If you are a NYM fan, you should be thrilled with this return. Yes it doesn’t take the sting away from the poor season. But these years happen to every team once in a while – where everything seems to not work out. NYM get a strong prospect. TEX gets that much more powerful in their quest for a ring

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  137. Camden453

    2 years ago

    Doubtful Scherzer opts out of $43 million. He will not get close to that on the open market

    And once he sees how loaded the Rangers are with talent he’ll want to stick with it

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    • filihok

      2 years ago

      That’s not the entire calculation he had to make, though.

      The calculation he had to make was more along the lines of
      1) $43 million in 2024+expected earnings in 2025 – ?????, while factoring in the risk of injury in 2023 or 2024 which could completely ruin any possibility of future earnings.

      2) Opting out and signing a deal for 2024 though ????. In which case he’d have less chance of getting injured, since he’d just have to stay healthy for the rest of this season before signing his next contract.

      It’s entire possible that he could have opted out after 2023 and taken a contract that paid him less that $43 million in 2024 and still come out ahead of taking the $43 million nexst year.

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  138. SirPartyAnimal

    2 years ago

    Booo!!!! Hisss!!! Let’s hope he sucks because he’s old. -All AL West opponents.

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    • flamingbagofpoop

      2 years ago

      Not being able to cheat anymore has hurt him as well.

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    • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

      2 years ago

      This is probably some sneaky marketing ploy where they will hand out some AARP sponsored two player bobblehead with Scherzer and DeGrom on it!

      I feel worse for DeGrom who though he had finally been rid of Scherzer once and for all when he signed with Texas.

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  139. rct

    2 years ago

    As a Mets fan, the difference between Cohen and the Wilpons is night and day. Cohen is willing to eat a lot of money to bring back a premium prospect. The Wilpons would never have done that. They would have included a good prospect of their own just to shed the contract.

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    • filihok

      2 years ago

      Those are both viable strategies and they both have their place.

      It’s all about valuation (well, not ALL about valuation, is also about budgets).

      The Mets could have not spent the $35 million and given him up for a nothing prospect (maybe). In that case they’d have one less prospect, but 35 million extra dollars.

      As someone noted upthread, 50 FV prospects have an expected value of around $30 million. If that were exactly true, the Mets would have been better served to not pay the money since 35 > 30. Of course, different people can value players differently.

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  140. Jesse Chavez enthusiast

    2 years ago

    Wow, the rangers got boned big time. It will be fun to see two Acunas in the NL East though!

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  141. CardsFan57

    2 years ago

    This makes much more sense with the Mets sending significant cash.

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  142. stroh

    2 years ago

    Good trade for both teams. Acuna is the get for the Mets. Rangers better with Scherzer but win trade only if he takes them to the promised land. If not Mets win trade.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      They will have him next season again in deGrom’s place.

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      • stroh

        2 years ago

        Yeah but no guarantee Texas will have their entire lineup having career years next year. They are doing this to strike while the iron is hot. Next year is next year, things change

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        • Bfree

          2 years ago

          Exactly look at how one year changed for Mets

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  143. brooklyn62

    2 years ago

    Yeah,so the Scherzer trade has some buzz to it. When are the Mets going to get real and get a deal done for Vogelslug?

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  144. THEY LIVE!!!

    2 years ago

    Heyman now reporting the deal is finalized… OK

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  145. stymeedone

    2 years ago

    Appearing that way. Not much excess value in Max, no matter how much of the salary being paid. One solid prospect seems fair.

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    • catojr

      2 years ago

      Paying 36 million of contract. Should have got one more prospect (SP).

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      • filihok

        2 years ago

        Then, they would have had to pay down more of the contract.
        Or take on a lessor hitting prospect.

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  146. Domingo111

    2 years ago

    Getting a top100 prospect for scherzer is pretty good. Acuna is risky and could bust but he has big tools and could be a star. That is what the Mets need, they can always buy an average player but a real star who is cost controlled would help them a lot.

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    • JackStrawb

      2 years ago

      He doesn’t have star stuff at a 50 FV, but he’s a very good prospect. A hitting prospect in his tier averages out to a worth of about $28m in surplus value to the team that controls him.

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    • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

      2 years ago

      Remember, it’s not Ronald you are getting.

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  147. In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

    2 years ago

    MLBTR should do a poll: Should Texas release Pérez, move him to the bullpen, or demote him to the minor leagues until he learns to pitch and not throw batting practice on 0-2 counts? He may be the dumbest human being to play in MLB.

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    • Guyerbassist

      2 years ago

      This made me laugh so hard but it’s so true. I don’t trust any of this rotstion. I’m hoping a change of scenery does max some good

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  148. BaseballisLife

    2 years ago

    Scherzer would not waive his opt out option so the Mets had to send more money and got just one prospect instead of two from what I understand.

    That tells me Scherzer WILL opt out at the end of the season.

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    • toptimrubies

      2 years ago

      The article says he is opting in.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      He’s already opted-in for ’24 with the Rangers.

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  149. Ma4170

    2 years ago

    More likely mcneil im thinking… it would be a sell low though so maybe not

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  150. ArianaGrandSlam

    2 years ago

    so he’d rather make 50MM over two years from next year than just 43MM next year?

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  151. Ma4170

    2 years ago

    Scherzer did bring back a top 100 after so many said he wouldnt. Lets face it, hes not nearly as bad as some are saying. K-BB over 4, 12.9% swinging strike rate, 3.82 siera.. numbers and experience wise, he’s a big upgrade over perez dunning and heaney.

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    • flamingbagofpoop

      2 years ago

      No. Scherzer + $35+m brought back a top 100 prospect.

      “Since the Mets are paying down all but $22.5MM, that means they’re eating more than $35MM in this deal.”

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      • catojr

        2 years ago

        exactly should have got 2 prospects Acuna and SP.

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        • filihok

          2 years ago

          Why? Based on what?

          Everyone values players differently and those values are subjective, but, using MLB Trade Values, this deal is almost perfectly equal.

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      • Ma4170

        2 years ago

        Of course they had to pay down some of the salary… even then, people didnt think he would bring back that much
        Lot of revisionist history on this site sometimes

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        • flamingbagofpoop

          2 years ago

          Some? It’s more than half.

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      • filihok

        2 years ago

        “Scherzer + $35+m brought back a top 100 prospect.”

        That’s a pretty misleading way to look at it The Rangers don’t get the $35 million to go buy NFTs, or whatever, with.

        Of course, every player is more valuable if they are paid less, and less valuable if they are paid more.

        If Acuna had been a free agent, and teams were allowed to bid freely on him, he would have a higher salary and be worth less in trade.

        Every player’s value is dependent on 1) their skill, 2 their contract cost. Scherzer is no different.

        I mean, suppose the Rangers turned around tomorrow and decided to trade Scherzer. They should be able to get a top 100 prospect without adding $35 million, right?

        So, yeah, Scherzer is worth a top 100 prospect. Scherzer and his contract were not. Schezer and his contract now are.

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        • flamingbagofpoop

          2 years ago

          You don’t trade for a player, you trade for a player’s contract. It’s only misleading if you somehow don’t understand that.

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        • filihok

          2 years ago

          That was my point

          A p.ayer’s value is tied to (mostly) two things

          1) their performance
          2) their contract

          Scherzer’s perf9rmance had/has value

          Scherzer’s Mets contract had significant negative value

          Scherzer’s Rangers contract probably has slight positive value.

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        • Domingo111

          2 years ago

          Fangraphs had an article that a 50fv prospect hitter is worth 28m, a 55 would be worth 46m. Fangraphs has acuna as a 50 (back end top100) but some teams might see him as a 55 (mid range top100). To be worth 28m scherzer would need to produce around 3 war from now till end of 2024, to be worth 46m he would need to produce like 4.5 war (for example 1 war this half year and 3.5 next year). Both is possible but far from a sure thing at his age.

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        • filihok

          2 years ago

          ZiPS has Scherzer producing 3.4 WAR through next year.

          That ignores marginal wins at the end of this season and any playoff performance.

          blogs.fangraphs.com/mad-max-heads-to-texas/

          It’s a reasonably fair trade – in my opinion.

          If someone else things Acuna is the next Acuna, well, then they;ll think Texas got fleeced. If they think Scherzer is totally dont, also fleeced. I’d question why they think that, but, whatever.

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        • Ma4170

          2 years ago

          MLB and Baseball America both have acuna as a 55

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  152. Jdt8312

    2 years ago

    Apparently Mike Maddux is the connection on the Rangers with Scherzer. Former Nats pitching coach while Scherzer was there.

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    • JackStrawb

      2 years ago

      Apparently getting the he!! off the 2023-24 Mets was the real connection here.

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      • Jdt8312

        2 years ago

        Well, if you think about how he performed for the Nats, and how he performed for the Mets, having that pitching coach may have been enticing. A person familiar with him, and how he works. I’m Max’s mind, his age isn’t a factor.

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  153. JayRyder

    2 years ago

    Wow ! Happy that the Rangers got him to Opt In for Next Season. It’s Good for them. And the Mets are in a Rebuild. At least thru the end of this season, then they go shopping again this off-season. More of a roll of the Dice to keep Max on payroll at that high of a hit. Th Rangers did well, but gave up a .300 Hitter for who knows how long. Got a lot of money. Short term win for Texas. Long term win for the Mets. But Prospects, you never know.

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  154. JackStrawb

    2 years ago

    I dislike Eppler’s work intensely, but if he got a prospect worth about $30m and also got Texas to chip in $22.5m in salary for a pitcher in Scherzer who’s only worth about $16m at this point for 2024 and the rest of the 2023 season, he did a good job here. He got beaten in the Robertson trade, but he turned around and slapped the Rangers pretty hard here.

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    • Jdt8312

      2 years ago

      He didn’t get beat in the Robertson trade. Those are good players he got for a 38 year old guy with 3 months left on his 1 year deal.

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      • MarlinsFanBase

        2 years ago

        Uh, so let me get this straight. The prospects the Marlins gave up for Robertson were low-level prospects with the Marlins, and are now good prospects now that the Mets got them?

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      • JackStrawb

        2 years ago

        @jdt8312 Tell it to the Cubs, who got starting pitcher Ben Brown for Robertson in a nearly identical situation at the deadline in 2022. Brown is their #3 prospect, in a loaded system, a starting pitcher currently in AAA K’ing 13 per 9.

        With Hader off the market, Robertson was the best closer available.

        But based on your comment you think Marco Vargas is at least as good as Brown, which tells me at least one of two things:

        1) you don’t actually follow baseball
        2) you’re 12 years old.

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        • MarlinsFanBase

          2 years ago

          Exactly @JackStrawb. I’m glad a Mets fan said it.

          As a Marlins fan, I found @Jdt8312’s comment laughable. Those guys were not factors in the Marlins farm system,but @Jdt8312 is talking them up as good prospects? So, essentially by him saying that, wearing a Mets jersey makes them better than they were. So, I think you nailed it in your assessment of him.

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        • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

          2 years ago

          In what world is getting a pitcher with $1M owed on his contract over the last 2 months of the season (Robertson) anything remotely similar to the fleet of private planes worth of money the Mets just ate to see Scherzer go to Texas?

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        • Jdt8312

          2 years ago

          No. I’ve been following baseball for almost 50 years. I’m looking at what held us back last year at the trade deadline, and it was the fact that teams were almost exclusively asking for the 4 guys we wouldn’t trade for anything that would have made an impact. It was the lack of any real talent on the farm, except about 6 guys of any value. That is what led to Vogelbach and Ruf. Having young talent in the low minor leagues is nothing to turn your nose up at. They grow into better player, and trade chips. I don’t know what you were expecting to get for a 38 year old pitcher who is on the last 4 months of his 1 year contract. But if you think anyone was offering more, and that Eppler hasn’t been fielding calls for weeks on both Scherzer, and Robertson, you’re off your rocker, and I question whether you know this game at all.

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        • Jdt8312

          2 years ago

          Of course they aren’t a factor yet. They are in low A ball. But the whole point of trading away guys like Robertson, and Scherzer is to stock the farm system with the best talent you can get. And again, if you don’t think Eppler has been taking calls on these guys for weeks, you don’t know baseball. Prospects turn into good players, and trade chips.

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        • MarlinsFanBase

          2 years ago

          @Jdt8312

          What all of us are reacting to is your statement where you referred to the prospects the Marlins traded for Robertson as “good players”. Maybe you mispoke or weren’t clear based on this explanation where you elaborate on what you mean, but I can tell you, those two prospects the Marlins sent the Mets are long shots of being anything of value at the MLB level, assuming they make it to that level. As trade chips, maybe as extra filler again as low level prospects again because they’re not anything to start celebrating. Again, both are long shots.

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        • MarlinsFanBase

          2 years ago

          @Jdt8312 And not all prospects turn into good players. Most fail..especially when they weren’t highly touted in the first place. Getting a good player that out of someone that wasn’t highliy touted is like winning a lottery ticket. We hear of the guys like Piazza and Pujols, but for every single one of those types (already rare), you have an uncountable amount of failed low-level/low-tier prospects.

          If you think you can just celebrate what you got for Robertson, then you have a skill that should make you an MLB scout if you can see just another pair of long shots and think they will be good players. If you can do that, then you’re a good bet to find every next Piazza or Pujols type among the large trashheap of untouted prospects.

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        • Jdt8312

          2 years ago

          Maybe you didn’t read the whole thing that I wrote. But they turn into trade chips. Often times trade chips are not moved because of what they are, but how they are perceived to be, as you seem to be insinuating, but not relating to this end of the conversation.

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    • Timothy Salahi

      2 years ago

      You do realize the Mets are eating 2/3 of the contract for 1 prospect lol

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      • JackStrawb

        2 years ago

        I replied to your woeful ignorance downthread, Timmy.

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      • raisinsss

        2 years ago

        Weird comment.

        You seem to acknowledge that max, as a player, might be worth multiple players yet do not consider the same for the prospect received.

        It’s like you’re evaluating baseball at the level of an actual toddler:

        “Daddy, how come they traded three guys for only one guy? That isn’t fair!”

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    • Robrock30

      2 years ago

      JackStrawb,

      I agree with your astute analysis here. Mets got away with selling rotten fish past its expiration date. Lol Rangers! We shall see if the younger brother Acuna is as worthy as Ronald or if he will be more like Jeremy Giambi or Frank Torre. He might turn out to be worthy like Yadier Molina though and he has athletic tools 42 SBs hitting .300+ but seems to be lacking the power.

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  155. CO Guardening

    2 years ago

    Why do I have a feeling Texas will regret this trade one day.

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    • JackStrawb

      2 years ago

      I’m suspicious as to whether Texas has actually watched Scherzer pitch this year. Or, you know, looked at his stats. Or saw what he’s done down the stretch at this stage of his career.

      The HR he gives up aren’t merely bad luck. He’s giving up rockets to dead center on pitches grooved down the heart of the plate. Every 4-1/2 innings or so.

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      • No Soup For Yu!

        2 years ago

        Go look at Scherzer’s savant page. It’s not all great, but very little of it is bad either. The Rangers are banking that the HR issues can be fixed because he’s still not allowing a ton of loud contact outside of those.

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        • JackStrawb

          2 years ago

          @No Soup For Yu! Understood, but this is one of those cases where the averaging that goes into peripherals such as K/9, BB/9, HH against, LD against, EV against and so on, is terribly misleading. Every 6th pitch (more or less) is fat, extremely hittable. Max has said he can’t grip the ball properly, and thus he grooves far too many pitches, and that doesn’t show up in the averaging.

          There’s a big difference between an average of 5 in these two cases:

          6, 4, 5, 6, 5, 4…
          6, 6, 6, 1, 6, ..

          Throw too many “1’s” (crappy meatballs over the heart of the plate), and you end up with Scherzer’s 1.9 HR per 9, and that will be very, very hard to change.

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    • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

      2 years ago

      I’m going with August 2nd.

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  156. jvent

    2 years ago

    This doesn’t make sense that the Mets are paying $36 mil out of the $58 mil left for Acuna which is a SS prospect, when the Mets have Lindor for another 9 years, plus hey drafted 2 or 3 SS and they just got a SS prospect in the Robertson deal. How many SS does a team need lol. The Mets needed pitching prospects, with them giving $36 mil they should’ve at least have gotten Jack Leiter back.

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    • flamingbagofpoop

      2 years ago

      That’s how bad Max’s contract is….

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    • catojr

      2 years ago

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    • theknuckler

      2 years ago

      Lil Acuna can play anywhere on the field
      Already played some 2B and CF.
      He’ll more than likely end up at 2B
      He’s only 5’8”

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    • JackStrawb

      2 years ago

      The $58m the Mets still owe Scherzer has to be contrasted with Scherzer being worth only $16m-20m for 2024 and the rest of 2023, given his steep decline since he signed the deal during the 2021-22 offseason.

      The Mets got a great deal in getting a prospect worth around $30 million AND getting $22.5 million in salary relief. It’s startling, really, which means if you think the Mets should have gotten more you don’t understand the situation. No offence.

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    • Roll

      2 years ago

      ask the padres they have what 4 SS playing together right now in the everyday mlb lineup.

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    • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

      2 years ago

      It does when the owner of your team is Scrooge McDuck and he spends all day swimming in his money pit!

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  157. Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman

    2 years ago

    This is a good deal for the lol Mets. Got someone to take Scherzer’s salary next year and walked away with Ronald Acuna Jr’s little brother as well. I am shocked.

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    • JackStrawb

      2 years ago

      Yup, but Texas is desperate. Heaney and Perez have been dismal. Eovaldi just hit the IL. They don’t have anything close to a postseason rotation, and the bullpen is thin. They want to make sure the Astros don’t catch them and push them into a 4-round postseason, and with Giolito and Stroman going off the board for various reasons, they were willing to overpay by $20m-30m to keep hope alive.

      They did need another starter, badly, but given what they paid they should have gone after Verlander, assuming he’s available to them (and he may not have been).

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  158. Timothy Salahi

    2 years ago

    Lol eat 3/4 of the contract and only got one prospect back lol good move Texas

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    • JackStrawb

      2 years ago

      Look up the term “sunk cost.”

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      • dasit

        2 years ago

        they still don’t seem to get the concept of sunk costs, but since you’ve spent energy trying to explain it you have no choice but to keep trying

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      • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

        2 years ago

        I think that’s right before “Titanic Failure”?!

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    • MarlinsFanBase

      2 years ago

      But is he Justin Upton or Billy Ripken or Dom Dimaggio?

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      • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

        2 years ago

        He might be the other Upton because he’s going to blow!

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        • MarlinsFanBase

          2 years ago

          If he’s going to blow, wouldn’t that make him Robert Bonds Jr.? Or perhaps Ozzie Canseco? Maybe even Wilton Guerrero? Nah, Wilton was decent. Heck, if the Acunas have a sister whose a successful athlete, and we think this Acuna can hang in MLB for a minute, maybe we can see a Darrell Miller type?

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    • Bfree

      2 years ago

      Not my money so who cares? Cohen is made of it

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  159. AL B DAMNED

    2 years ago

    Along with all of the money the Mets are sending to the Rangers, Texas also receives 2 cases of STICKY STUFF!

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  160. gorav114

    2 years ago

    This will end up a terrible trade for Texas

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    • MarlinsFanBase

      2 years ago

      For $22 million while the Mets pay the bulk of it?

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      • gorav114

        2 years ago

        Scherzer is cooked. Can’t do anything in the playoffs and Acuna is gonna be a stud

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        • MarlinsFanBase

          2 years ago

          Really? You have clairvoyance now to know Acuna is a sure thing? How do you know that?

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          2 years ago

          They could’ve swapped a fork for a spoon and it would be the same comment.

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        • gorav114

          2 years ago

          Yes, that’s it. I’m clairvoyant. Write it down

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        • MarlinsFanBase

          2 years ago

          @GoRav114

          Is that you @MetsFan22?

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  161. Timothy Salahi

    2 years ago

    Think about it the Rangers get an ace for 1 1/2 years for 22 million. Great move only had to give up 1 prospect

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    • Bfree

      2 years ago

      He isn’t an ace anymore…but I do think it is a good trade for both sides.

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    • flamingbagofpoop

      2 years ago

      Yeah, if you just ignore reality, it sounds really good.

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    • dugmet

      2 years ago

      If you watched Scherzer this season, he’s no longer an ace. But he fits in alright as a #4 starter on a contender. He’s madly inconsistent and even more to HRs than ever. Plus he spit the bit as a Dodger and lin the playoffs in 2023.

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    • Dogs

      2 years ago

      Rangers made a good deal here.

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    • desertbull

      2 years ago

      Ace? You mean 5th starter?

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    • desertbull

      2 years ago

      Let me guess… you want to make love to Karl Marx?

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      • JackStrawb

        2 years ago

        @desertbull Who doesn’t?? The Godfather of economics, that beard, the fragrant dust of the British Library in London embedded in his suit coat….

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    • Paleobros

      2 years ago

      Decent move by Texas. As a Braves fan, I’m sad to see him go.

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    • Robrock30

      2 years ago

      You must not have been watching him lately and in important games.
      Surprise Surprise Surprise

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      • JackStrawb

        2 years ago

        Yeah, Scherzer isn’t just getting unlucky on fly balls, he’s being clobbered by some very ordinary hitters.

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        • Robrock30

          2 years ago

          JackStrawb,

          I am waiting for the other shoe to drop.

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  162. drasco036

    2 years ago

    Breaking news: Eppler has his home on the market

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  163. DaddyDann

    2 years ago

    This Mets season will go down as one of the biggest disappointments for a baseball team in mlb history..

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    • oz10

      2 years ago

      The padres are on the other line and would like to talk.

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  164. Bfree

    2 years ago

    I really find the LOL Mets responses on this site and in this thread funny. If a Braves fan wants to heckle the Mets then fair enough but when you have marlins fans with a team that has accomplished nothing other than cultivate and then trade away stars since their last World Series a couple decades ago, and a rangers fan whose team hasn’t been in a World Series in 10 years and has never won a World Series making comments, I think you guys need to get a grip on reality. Mets won over 100 games last year and thanks to Mr. Scherzer amongst others fell apart at the end of the season. Things can change quickly in baseball.

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    • ChuckyNJ

      2 years ago

      “Mets won over 100 games last year” while choking away the NL East in the final week of the season. Then they got whupped, at home, in the NL wild-card round by spendthrift San Diego. Yet the BBWAA named Buck Showalter “Manager of the Year” because New York.
      There are valid examples as to why LOLmets endures.

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      • Bfree

        2 years ago

        Like I just said many teams are irrelevant or losers so not sure how you can pick out the Mets. Many teams have choked or underperformed. The world class Braves lost to the Phillies in the playoffs last year when they were world beaters at the time. I would call that choking as well based on the way you define it.
        Who is your team? Yankees or the Phillies?

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        • ChuckyNJ

          2 years ago

          Go back to the final weekend of last season. Mets are in Atlanta for a 3-game series. Win one game at Truist Park, the Mets clinch the season series and earn the tie-breaker over Atlanta. Braves sweep the Mets, get the tie-breaker, and finish the season in first. Mets host Padres the next weekend and that did not end well for New York.
          I may live in a Yankee household but you don’t have to be a Yankee fan to know when LOL moments go viral.

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    • flamingbagofpoop

      2 years ago

      I don’t understand why you think that past performance of a team that someone roots for has any bearing on whether or not they can laugh at the mets failure in 2023.

      “Your team sucks too” isn’t a defense of the Mets significantly underperforming expectations and having a history of it.

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      • filihok

        2 years ago

        I don’t understand laughing at a team’s failure

        I guess we all understand different things

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  165. Yankeesforever

    2 years ago

    the only number bigger than Scherzer’s ERA is his AARP number.

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  166. Braves_saints_celts

    2 years ago

    So who goes to the bullpen, Perez or dunning?

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  167. DarrenDreifortsContract

    2 years ago

    That Mets world series hype died real fast lol.

    Another owner who thinks he can just buy a championship.

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  168. Bil 2

    2 years ago

    Let’s ship Pham and Canha next. Would love to trade Verlander as well.

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  169. Wren

    2 years ago

    pretty obvious that was coming after max acts like he owns the team. hope he actually takes the ball when Texas needs him.

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  170. ACK

    2 years ago

    Great trade by the Rangers. You can’t get a TOR SP for 1.5 yrs for $22.5 mill. Besides little brother prospects rarely outperform their big brother prospects.

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    • Benjamin101677

      2 years ago

      You must not remember the Molina brothers the longest was the best

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      • No Soup For Yu!

        2 years ago

        You must not know what the word “rarely” means.

        Smart person: “You really should wear your seatbelt, people rarely survive bad crashes without them.”

        You (goober): “Uhhh, actually my uncle survived a crash and he wasn’t wearing a seatbelt, haha. Bet you didn’t see that coming. Liberal owned!”

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      • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

        2 years ago

        I’m not sure how you were ranking the brothers, but I ain’t on that…bro!

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    • mookiesboy

      2 years ago

      you didn’t

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      • Kevin Illyanovich Rasputin Kubusheskie

        2 years ago

        Or The Guerrero Bros, The Seager Bros, The Nola Bros. The Martinez Bros. The Perry Bros. The Weaver Brothers, etc. but go ahead and comfort yourself with that silly statement.

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        • No Soup For Yu!

          2 years ago

          For every Corey and Kyle Seager, there’s a Hank and Tommie Aaron, a Greg and Mike Maddux, and a Phil and Joe Niekro.

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        • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

          2 years ago

          To be fair Joe Niekro was worth almost 29.7 bWAR in his career. Kyle was worth 36.9 bWAR to Corey’s 29.7 bWAR, plus Corey still has to hobble across the finish line of his career with another 7.2 bWAR to equal his brother. I wouldn’t bet against him going the way of the Prince Fielder and Josh Hamilton. Truthfully, him signing with Texas and failing to fulfill his contract would make him the new poster boy for Rangers baseball.

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        • gw9999

          2 years ago

          Did you forget it was the Angels that gave Hamilton that last contract? I think 33% split between Tigers and insurance from 7 years ago is a distant memory for most Rangers fans, hardly the poster boy despite a stretch of bad Rangers teams since. There is at least a better stocked farm in place now to compensate for when some of these contracts do go bad.

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        • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

          2 years ago

          He went back to Texas before quitting two seasons before his contract expired. Did you forget that? So his last game ever was in a Rangers jersey. I think rebuying spoiled eggs literally epitomizes bad contracts.

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        • gw9999

          2 years ago

          Rangers got 50 decent games for a total of $5M to $6M plus some bad post season games.. Angels paid around $70M for him to play on the Rangers for those same games.

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    • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

      2 years ago

      Younger brothers who were better: Robin Yount, Vlad Guerrero Sr., Gaylord Perry, Pedro Martinez, Greg Maddux, Roberto Alomar, Trevor Hoffman, George Brett, and Honus Wagner, which are just the younger brother Hall of Famers.

      Jered Weaver, Joe Torre, Yadier Molina, Justin Upton, Corey Seager, Todd Stottlemyre, were also better younger brothers, albeit not HOF level.

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    • flamingbagofpoop

      2 years ago

      They didn’t get a TORP.

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    • raisinsss

      2 years ago

      Poorly executed comment.

      It only seems that way because there’s a great chance that by the time the little sibling has achieved success, the older has faded or flamed out already and you’d never have heard of him.

      Whereas if the old sibling achieves success, the younger is immediately under the watchful eye of the casuals who frequent this site.

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  171. Deleted Userr

    2 years ago

    Trade is almost exactly fair, per BTV.

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  172. Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

    2 years ago

    5-to-1 Eovaldi gets injured or fatigued before the season is over.

    10-to-1 The Rangers miss the playoffs all together.

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    • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

      2 years ago

      Called it, Eovaldi got injured within hours of me saying it and before they even played again. Now we wait two months to see me go two-for-two.

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  173. Domingo111

    2 years ago

    Scherzer isn’t at his peak anymore but I also think his HR rate should regress some. Almost 2 Homers per 9 is extremely high.

    His k and Bb rate did regress too but a 20% K-Bb rate is still quite good. I don’t think his hr rate will improve to his peak level but if it regresses to about 1.3 per 9 while keeping the K and BB rate he should be a solid #2 or #3 starter.

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    • Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes

      2 years ago

      In Texas, it’s going to regress? Really? The only place where baseballs get a towel to absorb the sweat?! Yeah, bet on that. Tell me less!

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  174. AgeeHarrelsonJones

    2 years ago

    Rangers got fleeced by one of the worst GMs in MLB. Let’s see who Ineptler will get for JV!

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    • filihok

      2 years ago

      How’d they get fleeced?

      Most models and SMART analysis Ive seen have this trade being pretty even.

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      • AgeeHarrelsonJones

        2 years ago

        Have you seen Mad Max pitch for, say, the last year or so? Rangers got fleeced. Just like they were fleeced by deGrom’s agent.

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        • filihok

          2 years ago

          oh

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  175. JR78

    2 years ago

    I would be looking hard to get rid of eppler if I was Cohen. The strategy of including a lot of money in deals to maximize prospect return is a good one, and that probably comes from Cohen. But these returns are comical. They had to eat 35 of 57 million owed to Scherzer over this year and next in order to get a “top 100” prospect. The rangers get a year and a half of Scherzer for 22 million. We just got a year and a half of Scherzer for 108 million. That difference is the value of this top 100 prospect? I realize Scherzer has devalued himself over the last year but that much? Insanity!!!

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    • flamingbagofpoop

      2 years ago

      Scherzer was never worth the contract to begin with and the mets have eaten up 1.5 of what you’d expect to be the most productive seasons of the contract (due to how aging curve generally works). Add his struggles this year on to those factors and yeah…he has devalued himself that much. I’m actually surprised that Texas gave up as much as they did, even with the included money.

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      • AgeeHarrelsonJones

        2 years ago

        Completely agree. Ineptler fleeced the Rangers.

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        • filihok

          2 years ago

          How so?

          The Rangers just got a pitcher likely to put up about 3.5 WAR over the next two seasons plus likely helps the Rangers to reach and compete in this years’ playoffs.

          Just the regular season value of that is about (3.5 * 8) $28 million. The Rangers will be paying about $21 million for that value.

          The value of the prospect going back is generally believed to be around $25 million.

          I have the Rangers coming up slightly short in the move,but nothing like a fleecing.

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    • Domingo111

      2 years ago

      The return is costly but the pitching market is just very bad. Expanded playoffs means a low number of sellers and the number of not even aces but just even solid starters who can give you 5+ innings of a 4 Era is just very low.

      The angels also gave up a top100 prospect for half a year of giolito and a reliever.

      There are just a lot more buyers than sellers this year and most available starters just suck. That means to get a Solid starter this deadline you have to overpay some. Is it costly for the rangers? Sure,but there just weren’t many alternatives and if you are in a position to make a good playoff run you have to do it.

      Sure by surplus value you likely lose that trade but you are not ony bidding for surplus value but against 10 other contenders or semi contenders who all need a starter.

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      • filihok

        2 years ago

        So refreshing to read the rare knowledgable post here.

        Gracias.

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    • raisinsss

      2 years ago

      No, that difference in value is a sunk cost of investing (poorly) in a declining hall of famer.

      Acuna probably cost 13-17m.

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  176. RockinRobin

    2 years ago

    So many people are making a big deal that Luisangel Acuña is Ronald Acuña Jr. brother. Therefore, Luisangel will liikely be a solid MLB player.

    History doesn’t really play that out. Who were the best siblings?

    These guys were pretty good:
    Paul Waner (WAR 74.7) and Lloyd Waner (WAR 29.6)
    Joe DiMaggio (79.2), Dom DiMaggio (33.6) and Vince DiMaggio (17.8)
    Pedro Martínez (83.9) and Ramón Martínez (25.9)
    Phil Niekro (95.9) and Joe Niekro (29.7)
    Gaylord Perry (90) and Jim Perry (41.6)

    But then you also get
    Tommie Aaron (-2.8),
    Ozzie Canseco (-0.6)
    Ken Brett (16.3)
    Jordan Danks (-0.3)
    Mike Glavine (-0.1)
    Mike Maddux (5.6)
    Chris Gwynn (-1.4)
    Paul Reuschel (2.3)
    Billy Ripken (5.9)

    That said, sure, I’d take Luisangel Acuña hoping he becomes a Dom DiMaggio and not a Tommie Aaron.

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    • flamingbagofpoop

      2 years ago

      I haven’t seen a single post that says he’ll be good solely because he’s RAJ’s brother.

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    • DCartrow

      2 years ago

      It’s like hoping for Macho Man Randy Savage and getting Leaping Lanny Poffo.

      LolMets

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      • raisinsss

        2 years ago

        It’s more like hoping for a decent to great mlb player from a AA player with an ops of .830 and age diff at -3.5 with great athleticism at a premium position.

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        • filihok

          2 years ago

          More correct

          Less funny

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        • raisinsss

          2 years ago

          “Funny”

          Reply
  177. Say Hey Now Kid

    2 years ago

    Was Acuna the only return? Because I don’t get why the Mets aren’t looking for pitching prospects when they have NOTHING coming up

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    • filihok

      2 years ago

      Nothing says they didn’t look for pitching prospects

      Maybe they were offered pitching prospects worth, making up a number, 6

      And Acuña was worth, say, 10

      Of course, you’d rather take 10 than 6

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      • Say Hey Now Kid

        2 years ago

        True. But maybe more money gets you Acuna plus a pitching prospect. I’m thinking of future trades too. They might move Verlander

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      • filihok

        2 years ago

        Sure

        But the Rangers are beginning their competitive window. They’d probably rather pay more and and hold on to prospects for now.

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  178. Astros Hot Takes

    2 years ago

    @MLBTR or @Darragh McDonald or ANYBODY – haven’t seen this mentioned, and I have NO idea how to get this info, or to calculate it correctly, but somebody needs to figure out the luxury tax savings that Cohen has realized for 2023 by moving Sherzer – HAS to be north of 3 million, I’m thinking, and, perhaps, considerably north of that figure. Regarding 2024, that is impossible to know, plus Cohen might pay a free agent or two 43.333 million annual this offseason, negating any Sherzer tax savings for next season,

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    • JoeBrady

      2 years ago

      Assuming this is all linear, if the kicked in everything bout $22.5M, then then the remaining salary savings for 23 is ~ 5.6M. If they are at the 90% tax margin, then they save $5M in tax.

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    • filihok

      2 years ago

      It’s pretty easy to figure out

      You estimate how much their total payroll for the season will be.

      You figure out how much it would have been without the trades

      You figure out the CB tax on the actual amount

      You figure out the CB tax on the previous amount

      Subtract.

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      • Astros Hot Takes

        2 years ago

        and, fili, what number did you come up with when you did that? 🙂

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  179. NicoHoerndawg

    2 years ago

    So the Mets basically have paid/are paying Scherzer $107.5mm for a year and a half of service to the Mets. $100m don’t go as far as it used to I guess.

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    • JackStrawb

      2 years ago

      @NicoHoerndawg Not even close, compadre.

      The Mets just got Texas to kick in a total of $50.5 million in salary relief and prospect value, meaning they ‘only’ ended up paying Scherzer $79.5 millon for 1-2/3 seasons (or $47.7m per season). That’s rough, but Texas really came to the rescue here. Imagine being stuck with Max for the full three years of his deal, for $130 million total, given how he’s pitching this year.

      Most well-heeled contenders would have been very content shelling out $47.7m for Max’s 5.2 WAR 2022 season, if they didn’t know the shape of it in advance, leaving just the bitter taste of 2023 to wash away and the $31.8 million they paid for his modest body of work this season.

      It won’t go down as anything close to the top 100 disappointing MLB contracts.

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  180. JackStrawb

    2 years ago

    Fangraphs values Acuna at around $28 million, the standard for a 50 FV position player–and he’s probably in the upper tier of 50 FV players.

    If we accept the $28m valuation, it means the Mets were able to dump Scherzer and the $58m they still owe him for just $7.5 million, which in turn means the Rangers wildly overpaid for a very ordinary pitcher at this point in his career.

    The Rangers FO is far from stupid, so they know they overpaid. With the Cubs taking Stroman off the market, with the Angels being willing to overpay for Giolito and take him off the board, Texas probably feared getting no one, and given how committed they were to making the postseason this year, they probably figured that overpaying for Scherzer by $20m, even $30m if you think his value for the next 1-1/3 seasons projects to around $20.5 million, as I do.

    Texas was desperate to keep their season from falling apart, given the injuries (Eovaldi hitting the IL) and also the underperformance at the back of their rotation (Heaney and Perez have been bad, and lucky so far), but if it turns out he was available to them I’ll bet they kick themselves for not paying a little more and getting Verlander. Unless they spotted something that makes them think they can fix Max in short order, they’re not getting a savior.

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