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Thoughts On Zito

Just read the latest Barry Zito article, wherein Zito agreed with former teammates Johnny Damon and Jason Giambi that he would thrive in New York.  He declined to pick a favorite NY team, however.  At this point, it's pretty clear that Minaya and Cashman are going to go toe to toe for his services this winter, and it'll be pretty entertaining.  The rumormongering will be ridiculous.

The losing team will probably end up with Jason Schmidt, Kerry Wood, Kelvim Escobar, Andy Pettitte, or Mark Mulder.  I think the first four will have fine seasons, but I'm not so sure about Mulder.

I know this has been said before, probably by many of our friends at Athletics Nation.  But now I'm on board: I do not think Zito will be dealt this season.  Don't worry, I'll still pass along any decent rumor that comes my way. 

The A's were in a semi-rebuilding mode when they traded Hudson and Mulder.  They stayed in the playoff hunt, but they weren't the team they are now.  The 2006 A's are built to win and not rebuild at all.  Hence, the Thomas and Loaiza signings.  In my mind, the chances that Beane finds another Dan Haren available this July are slim.  It would be like the Phils trading Ryan Madson plus a top prospect, or the Twins giving up Scott Baker and a top prospect.  The White Sox giving up Brandon McCarthy.  Jocketty sending Anthony Reyes over.  None of these "young stud with Major League experience" scenarios sound feasible.  The A's will just let Zito play out his last season as they have with many impending free agents in the past.

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I don't want Zito on the Yankees let the mets have him I would much rather have Escobar or Schmidt

I'm not so sure about Kerry Wood! Will he ever start again?

And I thought Pettitte was rumored to be thinking about retiring at the end of this season... Should we believe that and trade him once he stops pitching softball?

That's my Cubs bias shining through...Wood is at least as risky as Mulder of course.

As for Pettitte actually retiring, I'd be surprised. I think he'll have a good 2006, ERA in the low 3s.

Wood is 'at least' as risky as Mulder? Risky for what: Numbers or injury? Because I think Mulder has a better shot at having numbers in the first place, though I can't think of what body part is actually left for Wood to injure.

I'm kind of comparing apples to oranges here, Wood's the massive injury risk while Mulder might just not pitch that great. I agree though, I don't know what Wood could have surgery on still.

If I were the Yanks, I would forget Zito.

Let's hope they remember the pummeling they gave him on Opening Day before they overpay for him in the offseason, as pretty much anyone who signs him will.

If Minaya is intent on outspending the Yankees to gain market ground in the NY Metro area, so be it.

Still no reason to overpay for a pitcher who is far from dominant.

Escobar may be a better, more cost-effective bet than Zito, Pettitte (how much does he acutally have left?), or Mulder, who's also on the decline.

Wood, if he'll sign cheaply to offset the risk factor (and that's a big 'if', as he may be done, too) is an intriguing possibility for someone as well.

I have a feeling that 170 or so good innings from Wood, if he can muster it up, will result in a silly contract from someone. 4/40 or something worse.

If the Yanks could get Escobar for like 3yr 27-30 mil I would be all for it I dont want Zito,

As a Yankee fan, all I can say is PLEASE GOD NO. Zito's got to be one of the most overrated players in baseball.

Hopefully he'll have a couple more 1 inning, 7 run games against us and then we'll abandon the thought altogether.

The Mets, on the other hand...yeah, they'll be drinking the kool aid.

I love how people always talk about how good Zito is. Last year Randy Johnson outpreformed him in every aspect and people were saying RJ had a bad season I realize the expectations are different but Zito is only mildly above average. In the last three years since his CY Young award these are his overall numbers:
39-36 3.87 ERA 673 IP .234 BAA 1.26 WHIP 6.4 K/9

That is not that good two biggest assets are that he eats innings and he is a lefty

That BAA's second in the AL behind Santana. Ahead of your boy Randy.

And if BAA meant _anything_, then maybe it would be worth it to sign Zito.

"I love how people always talk about how good Zito is."

I love how Yankee fans pretend any of their pitchers are actually better than a 28 yo former Cy Young winner... even an overrated one.

Remember, everyone, these are the same fans who think Shawn Chacon is the key to their season.

I'll take Zito in a second. A pitchers park in the National League. I can only imagine him drooling over the possibilities.

Maybe the Cubs get him? As long as it ain't the Yanks or Braves, i'm cool with it.

Shawn Chacon at $3M a year is light years ahead of Zito at $13M a year (or whatever number he ends up getting).

No Yankee fan would prefer Chacon over Zito if the salaries were the same.

And I'll take Johnson at $16M over Zito at $13M in a second as well.

Mussina at ~$15M, tougher choice. Probably Zito.

Whatever.

On an unrelated note: David Wright is the TRUTH.

Dammmmm, Rumor I leave for a few weeks and when I comeback the site is all sealed up like Fort Knox.
We have standards now.

TheRealErik.... your a Met fan, so that means I wouldn't piss in your mouth, if your guts were on fire....BUT...I have to agree, David Wright is the TRUTH.
Yeah ...I'm jealous..so what.

It was brought on by my April Fool's joke. I spent a lot of time deleting obscenities from people who don't get jokes that day.

Mets mgmt drink the kool-aid and Yankees don't?

Then what the **** are Pavano and (chuckles) Jaret Wright doing on your roster?

RJ may be better than Zito right now...but one is 42, the the other 28.

Sure for one year I can understand...but you would rather have RJ for the next 7 years over Zito?

Not that I wouldnt enjoy seeing RJ walking out to the rubber with a walker at 50.

"TheRealErik.... your a Met fan, so that means I wouldn't piss in your mouth, if your guts were on fire"

I should hope not! I would prefer that you force me to cut my belly open with a bamboo sword. (All you Kobayashi fans are surely smiling.)

Anyone else feel Grady Sizemore has a chance to be one of the elite young players in the game? I'm talking top three here.

Sizemore is nasty......and didn't he get traded away with Cliff Lee, who is also a very solid player? Who would be that stupid to do trade away players like that for a rental player?

I know this forum isn't regarding the Mets, but I saw this article in the NY Post yesterday regarding the "Latinization" of the NY Mets. It has been a hot topic in past weeks on this board and I thought it was amazing that a newspaper would print an article on the topic and basically regarding it as fact. Then again, it is the Post.

SHEA PLAYING A LATIN TUNE
ON & OFF DIAMOND

By LORENA MONGELLI and LEONARD GREENE

April 4, 2006 -- The so-called Latinization of the Mets was on full display at Shea Stadium yesterday - and not only on the field.
It was also to be found among the faces in the sellout crowd of 54,371 and at the ever-buzzing concessions stands.

Omar Minaya, the team's Dominican-born, Queens-raised general manager, spent part of the off-season increasing the number of Latinos on the opening-day 25-man roster from last year's nine to yesterday's 13.

But, in addition, the stadium's Diamond Club now offers something called the Original Havana Road House Famous Cuban Sandwich, a $4.50 concoction that loads roast pork, ham, Swiss cheese and a pickle on pressed flat bread.

"People seem to like it," said vendor Irwin Friedman. "It's selling pretty good."

So, too, were the quesadillas.

And while jerseys boasting the last names of such Met stars as Pedro Martinez, Carlos Beltran and Carlos Delgado dotted the stands, several others sported the logos from the Dominican, Mexican, Puerto Rican and Venezuelan teams that participated in last month's inaugural World Baseball Classic.

"I think it's great," said Ricci Melendez, 32, of Sayreville, N.J. "Latino players are the best."

Between innings, fans could be seen dancing to salsa or merengue music piped through the public address system.

"The so-called Latinization of the Mets was on full display at Shea Stadium yesterday - and not only on the field.

It was also to be found among the faces in the sellout crowd of 54,371 and at the ever-buzzing concessions stands.

The stadium's Diamond Club now offers something called the Original Havana Road House Famous Cuban Sandwich, a $4.50 concoction that loads roast pork, ham, Swiss cheese and a pickle on pressed flat bread."

Huh, bruh? For true? For real, I'm a Yankee fan (and a NYC Italian whose Daddy grew up two blocks up the first base side at 166th and Grand Concourse), but I'd rather have a killer $4.50 Cuban available at Shea than a nasty $6 hot dog up in the Bronx.

That's good eatin'! Go Omar!

"RJ may be better than Zito right now...but one is 42, the the other 28.

Sure for one year I can understand...but you would rather have RJ for the next 7 years over Zito?"

Huh? Why do I have to choose one of them for 7 years? I would prefer Johnson at $16M for two years, and a reasonably price replacement for the next 5, to Zito at some absurd salary for 7 years (or 5 or 4 or 3 or 2 or 1).


One day I will stop being amazed by people trying to analyze baseball moves without considering the economics of them. That day has yet to arrive, however.

"Mets mgmt drink the kool-aid and Yankees don't?

Then what the **** are Pavano and (chuckles) Jaret Wright doing on your roster?"

I still contend that Pavano was a reasonable signing, considering the market for starters in 05. Unfortunately he got hurt, so in retrospect it was bad.

Wright - horrible, idiotic signing, and no Yankee fan could possibly defend it. Probably the worst move Cashman has ever made. Still, Wright for 3 years/ $21M is better than Zito for 5 years/$70M (or whatever he'll end up getting).

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