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Rosenthal On Dontrelle Willis
According to Ken Rosenthal, the Marlins will probably only listen to offers for starter Dontrelle Willis if they fall out of the race by the July 31st trading deadline. He also adds the interesting fact that a new ballpark for the Marlins could actually encourage them to trade Willis. At least then a public backlash wouldn't affect a stadium deal.
Both Willis and Miguel Cabrera figure to earn over $10MM next year, and Rosenthal says no Marlin is untouchable. The idea of trading Dontrelle first surfaced about a year ago; I would imagine the Fish have received some decent offers since then. Willis has proven to be quite durable in his four seasons; Larry Beinfest has the luxury of waiting back another year in case he gets that offer he can't refuse from a desperate team.
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I have to agree that Willis isn't untouchable, but say he won't get traded any time soon, no matter the situation with the Marlins.
He is one of the faces of that organization, and the one most likely to stay after they reach FA.
The Marlins can afford Willis and Cabrera, its a myth they can't. 60million dollar payroll in 2005 alone, they have money, and are saving money last year and this year for this reason.
Everyone is saying the Marlins can win in 2008/09. They know that too, why would they trade their ace?
Willis, Olsen, Johnson, Sanchez... That rotation is gold with another year under the belt.
Hanley, Uggla, Miggy, Willingham, they have some young players, they just need to add more.
If someone wants to verpay, they could get him in a situation similar to McCarthy formally of the White Sox, but otherwise he stays.
I am getting sick of these story's.
Posted by: quintjs | April 30, 2007 at 01:09 AM
quintjs -
I'm sorry your tired of hearing rumors. You seem to know everything there is to know about everything so I'm just curious why you come to this site when you clearly are more knowledgeable than the rest of us.
Posted by: greenbaydude1232 | April 30, 2007 at 06:42 AM
This is the same rumor on another day. The marlins put him and miggy on waivers to prove early they werent for trade. This is a team built for a big time run.
Is there any reason Ken would be tying willis desperately to the Yankees? Of course there is. He has been doing that for the past 3 years now. He even stated in 2003 we should trade him. He stated in 2004 the marlins should trade him. In 2005 the marlins should trade him and in 2006 he had him in met's colors already.
Ken has never been a fan or friend of the fish. The guy is a horrible writer. Just my opinion from what I have seen over him the past half decade or so.
If someone overpays for Willis he might be moved. But, I think there is about a 20% chance at most and even then you are talking of a price most teams wouldnt touch. Whom wants to send two to even three top elite prospects out?
Will the yankees send Hughes and Tabata and a catcher prospect?
Will a team like Seattle move Clement and Adam Jones?
The marlins would look for a massive overpay if they moved the face of their team specially in the situation they are in.
As for the bill being done and dead, it is amusing. The post said it was dead in the house within 5 hours of the article it passed. The govenor stated just yesterday he expects it to pass (and as a former MLB lead lawyer) would sign it into law.
Will he be traded? I think so. But I think in the offseason personally of 2008. They can get their value still and their pitching will be put back together. The way the season is going right now by mid-season they should be healthy (johnson/nolasco/kensing/martinez/hermida all back) and making a run.
Posted by: Baseballfan79 | April 30, 2007 at 07:10 AM
Wickman, pitching Davies or Villareal,and Salty for Willis or Cabrera
might have to include Escobar
Posted by: 5953 | April 30, 2007 at 08:34 AM
Cabrera for Wickman, Davies, and Satly? That's a good one.
Posted by: Ripwa | April 30, 2007 at 09:13 AM
Wickman, pitching Davies or Villareal,and Salty for Willis or Cabrera
might have to include Escobar
Posted by: 5953 | April 30, 2007 at 08:34 AM
That homegrown whiskey must be pretty good up there in atlanta. Cabrera isnt for trade and if he was he would command more then any player in MLB.
Posted by: Baseballfan79 | April 30, 2007 at 09:46 AM
I still wish the Astros would have offered the Fish a package built around Hirsch and Taveras for Willis. Willis is a little over-rated and I think he will be dealt. The Fish have plenty of young pitching without him. I don't think they will trade him this year unless they are way out of it, but it wouldn't surprise me if he's moved at the winter meetings.
Posted by: mymrbig | April 30, 2007 at 10:20 AM
Rosenthal is unstoppable for inside information...he's not just making this Marlins stuff up. If there's a certain vibe in his article, that vibe probably exists in the Marlins' FO.
Posted by: RotoAuthority | April 30, 2007 at 10:28 AM
Man, I saw the headline and wanted to quickly post "Hughes and Tabata" (then ridicule the suggestion) to get it over with. But sadly I was beaten to the punch.
But Baseballfan79, you have taken it one step further by suggesting the Yankees include MORE than that. I thank you for keeping a smile on my face for the entire day.
Posted by: bobo | April 30, 2007 at 11:06 AM
Saltimacchia would be a very good start for Willis. For Cabrera? No way. I think Davies and Salti (and maybe another B prospect) would be fair for Willis, but I also don't think the Marlins would take it. I'm pretty sure some other team would foolishly offer more than that.
Posted by: bobo | April 30, 2007 at 11:15 AM
It makes too much sense for the Rays and Marlins to hookup in a deal doesnt it? The Marlins desperately need a cf, the rays desperately need a SP, the Marlins have lots of SP, the Rays have about 4 CF, seems like a match made in heaven
Posted by: nrmax88 | April 30, 2007 at 11:55 AM
And for the record, the marlins arent gonna be making a run at shit this year. Just my opinion, ubt i think the NL East is too strong and the phillies arent gonna suck forever. Fla's pen is still garbage, and they still dont have a CF, it doesnt help their most consistent guy in Josh Johnson is out for a while either. I see the Fish winning 75-80 games and competing again next year.
Posted by: nrmax88 | April 30, 2007 at 12:00 PM
with 9 on the DL they are still hanging around it just depends how long they can keep in it. When Johnson is back (june 1st supposedly), Hermida (soon supposedly), nolasco (soon), mitre (soon supposedly) and a few good minor league arms and our young CF that was doing great it should be interesting.
Actually I think our bullpen has some great young arms that could be scary in the future they just need time.
As for the Rays and Fish yeah it makes too much sense why it would never happen. I would kill for a crawford for willis trade. :)
Posted by: Baseballfan79 | April 30, 2007 at 12:18 PM
I agree the Marlins could compete. The Mets pitching will come back to earth and the Braves, while good, aren't very intimidating. A lot could come down to how the head to head games go.
I too actually like the pen quite a bit, and the offense is leading the majors without anyone other than Ross really playing over their head (If Ramirez keeps up that walk rate, watch out). Several hitters are actually underperforming (Uggla, Olivo).
The starting pitching can only improve once guys get healthy.
Julio's out of any meaningfull situtation but still can be a reasonably effective 12th pitcher. Think of it this way - if anyone other than Julio were the closer, they'd be 2.5 out rather than 4.5.
Willis might be the most overrated pitcher in baseball after Zito but he's still got to pitch better than he has so far. Same with Olsen and Sanchez. And with Johnson and Nolasco coming back, the rotation is very solid.
I think things look good for them. If the starters come back healthy and the current struggles are not due to injuries, they've got a good chance.
Posted by: bobo | April 30, 2007 at 02:06 PM
Baldelli,Salty, and Escobar to Marlins
Willis to Braves
Davies,and Pitching prospects(B prospect from both FLA and ATL) to Rays
Posted by: 5953 | April 30, 2007 at 03:13 PM
Man, I saw the headline and wanted to quickly post "Hughes and Tabata" (then ridicule the suggestion) to get it over with. But sadly I was beaten to the punch.
But Baseballfan79, you have taken it one step further by suggesting the Yankees include MORE than that. I thank you for keeping a smile on my face for the entire day.
Posted by: bobo | April 30, 2007 at 11:06 AM
It was supposed to be an or not an and :)
Baldelli,Salty, and Escobar to Marlins
Willis to Braves
Davies,and Pitching prospects(B prospect from both FLA and ATL) to Rays
Posted by: 5953 | April 30, 2007 at 03:13 PM
Baldelli and Salty for willis? Sign me up, rays get ripped there
Posted by: Baseballfan79 | April 30, 2007 at 05:46 PM
If someone wanted to overpay for Willis they could get him, much in the same way if you wanted to overpay for any other player that would work too.
The Marlins are not looking to trade Willis and will not.
They need leadership, they know that, they keep Willis.
The Marlins bullpen is actually not quite as bad as one would think. Probably not good enough this year but Lindstrom, Owens Tankserly?, Gregg, they have the makings of a good bullpen right there.
And that article is just speculation, did he quote sources in the Marlins FO?
Posted by: quintjs | April 30, 2007 at 06:17 PM