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Cross Seattle Off The List For Bonds
Recently, we crossed the Rangers and Tigers off the list of suitors for Barry Bonds. It might be time to add Seattle to the "No Bonds" list. According to Larry Stone of the Seattle Times, "those in a position to know" have said the Ms won't bid for him.
If Bonds is to land in the American League, there are still approximately six options that haven't been ruled out (Orioles, Devil Rays, Royals, Twins, Angels, A's).
Marion Jones already admitted lying to federal investigators; the grand jury will go after Bonds next. Prison time could definitely cut short or eliminate his 2008 season.
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It looks like he could be gotten for real cheap now. Not just Barry Bonds cheap. But the question is, is he worth all the trouble? I'd give it a shot if the deal was good...perhaps it will be the A"s.
Posted by: Guitar Hero | October 07, 2007 at 02:43 PM
2 things...
1) was Seatle really ever on the list? They have like 6 DH types now dont they?
2) ChiSox and Indians should be added to the list of AL possibilities...
Posted by: darkstar1661 | October 07, 2007 at 02:52 PM
oh, forgot to say both as LFers though ~ I really dont believe anyone will be that turned off from his D, he's still as good as some other LFers around baseball...
Posted by: darkstar1661 | October 07, 2007 at 02:54 PM
Bonds would have to play left field. I don't think anyone wants to see him there, not the least of which being the White Sox fo and Ozzie. The Indians, like I've said before, are stacked in the outfield. Expect a small market team, probably Royals, or even a bigger market like Baltimore to go after him. He'll draw fans wherever he goes. The Royals seem like the best fit.
Posted by: gogopalehose | October 07, 2007 at 02:55 PM
PaleHose,
I'm a Tribe fan, I know very well what the Indians have in the OF ~ and that is a bunch of 4th OFer types for 08. We are talking a 1 year deal here, not a move for the future, and if the Indians fail to trade for a big bat then Bonds could very well be playing Left at the Jake. He's not the RH bat they really covet, but he's one of the most extreme bats available.
and because of that last sentence I see the ChiSox thinking it over. They need a dramatic increase in production and that is the best way to find it without longterm commitments which will further their money issues.
Not saying either are sure things, but both are stronger possibilities than most would probably think...
Posted by: darkstar1661 | October 07, 2007 at 03:11 PM
err again :/
~ should have said *"4th OFer types outside Sizemore & Frankie G"* of course...
Posted by: darkstar1661 | October 07, 2007 at 03:13 PM
Gutierrez...can be a good player, but Wedgy seems to like his platoons. That said, Bonds would probably only agree to it if he could hit 4th and get 50 days off, maybe something not in the best interest of a lefty heavy playoff contender.
I don't see the White Sox making a huge free agent splash, they just don't have that room to take chances with declining vets considering they might have a few already. If they could flip Konerko for a couple younger productive players, like Conor Jackson or Kenry Morales, that would be great.
Ozzie loves the stolen bases, and Owens brings a ton. Expect him to stay. That said, this is why Bonds doesn't fit- we have no one to put in center field. Like Fields would fit there. Don't think so.
Posted by: gogopalehose | October 07, 2007 at 03:26 PM
Bonds really only has one place to go. The A's are the destination anything else would be bad for Bonds...The Bay area is were his support is at and the A's would take him for the right price....Seattle was never an option...There trying to unload Sexson to move Ibanez too 1st and keeping Vidro at DH....Then again...Bonds could be in jail for Tax fraud before next season and this would all be Mute anyways..
Posted by: rotoenquire | October 07, 2007 at 03:54 PM
Agreed you don't want him playing in the OF. Two reasons. First, he is terrible with such limited mobility. Second, he will play much less because of the wear and tear playing will bring.
If you look at the teams Tim brought up here would be my response:
Orioles - seems like an Orioles thing to do. Would he want to play on the east coast?
Devil Rays - no interest in playing for a 3rd or 4th place team.
Royals - see DRays
Twins - would make a lot of sense from the Twins perspective but they don't make it a habit to sign one year $12-15m deals. They like their veterans to be cheap.
Angels - would provide the offensive pop they need. Will the DH spot get clogged with GA and Vlad needing more time to DH to rest sore knees?
A's - makes the most sense assuming the price comes down to $10m or less. Can't see the A's spending more than everyone else. Only way he lands here is with a hometown discount.
Posted by: bjsguess | October 07, 2007 at 04:14 PM
Gogopalehose,
Tribe:
“lefty heavy playoff contender”
…If it wasn’t Bonds I would agree here. A big RH bat would of course be the preference, but as a fallback ~ well, its Bonds… (1.073 vs RH / .991 OPS vs LH this year) We are lefty heavy mainly due to Pronk and Sizemore, but V-Marts Switch and Garko is providing some good production from the Right Side
“if he could hit 4th and get 50 days off”
…No problem, Michaels would make a great platoon type for him ~ he becomes a pretty good hitter when he’s in there vs Lefties and isn’t that bad otherwise when needed…
“but Wedgy seems to like his platoons”
…Oh don’t I know that… But really that’s kind of what Bonds would be with his needing time off from LF. Sizemore and Frankie both being plus fielding CFers in the other two spots should make up some for the D downgrade.
Like I said, I really see them going for a big BH bat but if they cant land one Bonds fits the need with no longterm cost to the team. Just don’t think they should be removed from the list at all as it’s a pretty good fit since its just one year…
PaleHose:
“Ozzie loves the stolen bases, and Owens brings a ton. Expect him to stay. That said, this is why Bonds doesn't fit- we have no one to put in center field. Like Fields would fit there. Don't think so.”
…Very true, but its KW… Might be a long-shot, but I wouldn’t rule them out…
Bonds:
“Bonds could be in jail for Tax fraud before next season and this would all be Mute anyways..”
…If anyone actually had a case I imagine there would have been action already ~ I mean how long have they been perusing him for one thing or another? We haven’t seen a single thing happen so far…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | October 07, 2007 at 04:48 PM
After watching the Angels playoff series, I'd have to put them as serious contenders. Despite all the negative press, when your team can't hit for beans, you have to do something drastic. Maybe Barry Bonds drastic?
Posted by: ErroRod1985 | October 07, 2007 at 05:48 PM
"There trying to unload Sexson to move Ibanez too 1st and keeping Vidro at DH"
If they were trying to unload Sexson, they wouldn't have pull him back after he got claimed off of waivers.
Posted by: kyledavidson | October 07, 2007 at 05:51 PM
*pulled*
Posted by: kyledavidson | October 07, 2007 at 05:51 PM
While it won't happen, the Jays can certainly be considered a fit. They need a LH LF BADLY and can certainly afford him. Reed Johnson would be the perfect player on the bench with Matt Stairs to spell the OF, so the fact that he would need to play LF unless Thomas got injured is not such a problem.
Posted by: 92-93 | October 07, 2007 at 07:20 PM
Any team looking to sign Bonds is already looking at maybe playing him 80 games. Also, it would make sense for a playoff team to sign him; no reason for a cellar dweller to bring bad PR. Take those 80 games and your likely reliance on Bonds bat in your playoff hunt and add the fact that maybe his season is cut short by an indictment or suspension? I could realistically see Bonds retiring because of lack of interest.
Posted by: CarpeDiem | October 07, 2007 at 07:26 PM
I think Bonds makes a ton of sense for the Blue Jays, and I think he'd come to Canada if they throw enough money at him.
Posted by: andagh | October 07, 2007 at 08:33 PM
"2) ChiSox and Indians should be added to the list of AL possibilities..."
Jim Thome and Travis Hafner. But basically every team who doesn't a dominant DH should be all over this. The mariners may 4-5 DH's but none of which who can put up a .500 OBP. Every team other than the White Sox, the Yankees, the Red Sox, and the Angels should be into signing Barry Bonds.
Just do a checkdown list, who you can pencil in at DH and the occasional LF and Barry Fucking Bonds.
Oh no the media might follow my team, oh no he is controverial. Wait he gets on base every other plate appearance? well hell, I'm in.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | October 07, 2007 at 09:12 PM
Bonds to the Red Sox. Red Sox trade Manny to Dodgers. Red Sox get Matt Kemp in return. Matt Kemp and Barry Bonds platoon in LF for 1 year and then Kemp takes over job fully. Then the Red Sox trade Coco to the Braves for Yunel Escobar or Brett Lillibridge. Plus they go out and sign A-Rod Then your looking at a lineup of:
1. Dustin Pedroia
2. Kevin Youkilis
3. David Ortiz
4. Alex Rodriguez
5. Barry Bonds (JD Drew on off days for Bonds)
6. JD Drew (Kemp on off days for Bonds)
7. Jason Varitek
8. Jacoby Ellsbury
9. Yunel Escobar or Lugo (Lillibridge wouldn't start for a year or 2)
And Barry can give Papi days off at DH too
Posted by: Barroid_Bonds | October 07, 2007 at 09:25 PM
Going to Boston would be about the only place Bonds would actually upgrade the defense.
I can't see the Dodgers moving a top prospect that's cheap for 1 year of Manny at a cost of $20m. I also don't get the impression the Dodgers are interested in "winning today" at the cost of winning tomorrow. Making a movie for Manny is definitely a win it today approach.
Posted by: bjsguess | October 07, 2007 at 09:35 PM
"Going to Boston would be about the only place Bonds would actually upgrade the defense."
If there was only some sort of website or statistic to prove you are an idiot, that would be awesome.
"I can't see the Dodgers moving a top prospect that's cheap for 1 year of Manny at a cost of $20m."
Hi, its the Dodgers. Have you ever heard of Ned Colletti?
"Then the Red Sox trade Coco to the Braves for Yunel Escobar or Brett Lillibridge."
He will be traded, but not for a middle infielder.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | October 07, 2007 at 09:42 PM
Bonds to the Red Sox? As a Sox-ish fan i wouldn't like it, but it is interesting. I am in favor of sending Manny to LA for pitching (broxton, minor leaguers) and/or outfield (kemp, ethier). Manny does have club options for 09-10. Bonds for 15 mil saves 5 million. Signing A-Rod is good, as long as he bats 9th in the playoffs. Now the sox are up 25 mil. Then lowell, Clement and Schilling come off the Books so we are back at 5 million saved. mb resign Schilling if we wanna increase payroll 5-10 milliom If the Sox got Kemp i would trade CoCo for pitching prospects: Marlins want CF? mb Atlanta or twins? and Have Bonds, Kemp, Drew, and Ellisbury rotate (lefty heavy, but A-Rod, Lugo, Varitek, Pedroia and Youk bat righty/switch)
Lineup:
Pedroia
Youk
Papi
ARod
Bonds
Drew
Tek
Ellisbury/Kemp or Crisp/ Other
Lugo
pitching:
Beckett
Dice-k
Wakefield
Lester
Bucholtz
(Tavarez)
Delcarmen
Lopez
Okijima
Snyder
Donelly/Hansen
Broxton/other
PAPELBON
Posted by: johnbuckformvp | October 07, 2007 at 11:05 PM
ARodSucks…
Actually BJ was right in that he would be an upgrade to Manny in Boston and better than a couple guys who could surprise you…
Range Factor ~ Bonds 1.75 ~ about equal to Terrmel Sledge (1.78) & Carlos Lee (1.77) and better than Manny (1.72), Willy Mo (1.71), Josh Willingham (1.68) and Pat Burrell (1.61)
Zone Range ~ Bonds .813 ~ equal to Burrell (.813) and better than Alou (.804), Lee (.787), Ibanez (.761), Willy Mo (.744) and of course Manny who was miserable (.713)
So realistically Bonds is still equal to better than Manny, Lee, Pena and Burrell ~ all guys who are probably secure in their jobs next year.
Like I’ve said, I just don’t see why the media keeps saying he must be a DH. If the team is ok with him playing only 110-120G then he’s an acceptable LFer and will DH for you from time to time (NL in AL parks, AL anytime).
Like you said, his 500ish OBP is hard to pass up and esp if youre a playoff bound team when he would probably play daily because of the days off. I see him being available to any team needing a bat upgrade at DH or LF… (and yes, that include Cleveland and the ChiSox if KW really tries to compete again in 08)
Posted by: darkstar1661 | October 07, 2007 at 11:11 PM
"Actually BJ was right in that he would be an upgrade to Manny in Boston and better than a couple guys who could surprise you…"
I reviewed all that before posting. I was being slightly ironical/ slightly serious. Defensive matrixes are ridiculously flawed, and just by watching Manny play LF at Fenway vs a defensive wizard that Manny punks on a regular basis it is obvious.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | October 08, 2007 at 12:01 AM
"Like you said, his 500ish OBP is hard to pass up and esp if youre a playoff bound team when he would probably play daily because of the days off. I see him being available to any team needing a bat upgrade at DH or LF… (and yes, that include Cleveland and the ChiSox if KW really tries to compete again in 08)"
Understatements on purpose or otherwise. Today right now, Mig. Cabrera, A, Pujols, Ortiz, A-rod, nobody is more of an offensive force. That is what is disgusting. Seriously. NOBODY in baseball, period is more important offensive that Barry Bonds right now, today. A-rod hands down Al MVP, Nl being up for grabs. Barry Bonds way more impactful as a hitter than A-rod. It takes stupid posts like I am making right now to attempt to point out how unbelievable disgustingly sick his impact is. He is the single greatest offensive force in the history of baseball ever. Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth can suck a nut. Barry Bonds is otherworldly. Any team who has a chance to add him should do it. My previous post saying that Boston/NY/Cleveland/ChicagoWSox shouldn't was just in relation to other teams because of the money+pre-existing impact player . Every team with a DH/OPen LF spot should jump on this.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | October 08, 2007 at 12:10 AM
Maybe you should make a special list on the sidebar for "Teams Bonds Could Join". I think the Angels could use him to DH. Vlad has little real protection.
Posted by: johnflaherty | October 08, 2007 at 12:18 AM
What does that big wall to do Manny's range factor, he doesn't get a chance to catch anything over his head, because it hits the wall, Orlando's game 2 double is the type of ball that is catchable in other parks.
Bonds to Boston is a joke, never will happen.
And as bad as the Dodgers can be, I cannot see them trading Kemp away, they can make stupid moves, but that one would take the cake.
Posted by: quintjs | October 08, 2007 at 01:06 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing him on the White sox but I realy do not see a fit. We are trying to get faster and we have Thome who is the same type of hitter!
Posted by: CUBS=NOTHING | October 08, 2007 at 03:14 PM