Kotsay Traded To Braves For Devine

I'm okay with it as long it's it's a MID-LEVEL prospect. Kotsay's not worth more than that. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll bouce back, but I'm not holding my breath.

also, if salary relief is the name of the game, how is kotsay in any form better than 1 year of mike cameron? besides the 25 games.

LOL scottie

This just smells of the Craig Wilson incident.

"I'm thinking maybe Cole Rohrbrough, Julio Teheran, or Tommy Hanson to Oaktown."

Where can I get what you're drinking? Cause you must be fall-down drunk if you think the Braves would give up any of those guys for an oft-injured guy that would be a luxury, not a necessity, for their team.

Kotsay says in the AJC article that he thinks he came back too quickly from the back surgery, but is now "fully healthy"...I wouldn't expect the 15/82 from a couple years ago, but 10/60/.280/.340 would be fine in my mind. Kotsay, if healthy, would be plus fielder and he could hit second behind Escobar, moving Kelly Johnson down to 7 with Diaz/Brandon Jones hitting 8. I actually like that lineup a lot...even if Kotsay only plays 130 games, there are plenty of options to fill in...I hope they pull it off...it would be nice to see Blanton come too, but it doesn't seem likely at this point...

I think the Braves giving up Diory Hernandez, Zach Schreiber or even Charlie Morton would be a good swap depending what the A's are looking for...

Giving up Joey Devine would make a ton of sense for the A's ... it would make no sense for the Braves. If it happens, Wren should be fired on the spot.

well, it won't be Teheran because I don't think he's been signed long enough to be traded...Ascanio was traded to the Cubs for Ohman and Infante...

I hope they don't give up a good player to get Kotsay.

If it's only going to be $3MM then that's fine. Kotsay's a little bit of insurance for us and if that fails there's always the already mentioned internal options. Out of the CF options available it really does seem like Kotsay would be the best fit -- Patterson & Cameron are going to cost too much. I'm with everyone else tho -- I DO NOT want to see Devine go anywhere.

what about Kala Kaaihue? I'm not sold on him yet, personally...Either way, if it's a AA or lower prospect, no problem...

No way on Kaaihue, both he and Devine have wayyyyy too high of a ceiling for us to give either of them up.

Brent Lillibridge????

Hahaha, I feel better now if that's the rumor. Because that's so ridiculous, that I know there must just be some fool throwing out the names of the best Braves' talent and saying that's who we're giving up.

Street will most likely stay and Devine will sure up the pen, which isnt that hot.

A's also have Calero and Duke if they run with a rotation of: Blanton-Harden-Gaudin-DiNardo-Eveland.

He'll be starting

Oh, so Duke is A's-speak for Duscherer? Wow, I feel like a Bay Area insider...

You ain't gettin' Devine, A's fans. Keep dreaming.

the more the A's pay of Kotsay's salary, the better the prospect will be...Getting Kotsay for $3MM (A's picking up $5MM) for Devine sounds about right, but I haven't seen any credible sources to suggest he'd be who they send...it comes down to money here...

if A's are paying 5mill you better believe they'll want more than prado.

If you were to have seen the way that Kotsay played last year, and I am sure that you did if you are an A's fan, you would know that this is a pure salary dump move. This is not the kotsay of 04 and 05 by any means, not even close, so even if the A's pay 5 mill, they still are not going to get one of our top 10 prospects, its just not going to happen, wren is not that dumb, and while beane may have tried it, he more than likely will take anything for kotsay at this point and time. Let's apply a little common sense and understand that Kotsay is barely worth a marginal prospect at this point and time, much less a good one.

If Kotsay is healthy like he says he is, he'd be a great addition to the Braves, especially if the Braves only end up being on the hook for $3MM, even if they give up Devine...I would prefer to give up Diory Hernandez, Schreiber or Morton, as I mentioned above, but the more the A's pitch in, the better the prospect it will be...Kotsay at $3MM would be a bargain, even if he only plays 130 games...

Well first of all, it is DuCHSCHERER and second of all, he is known as "The Duke". Duchscherer can close or go three innings and we're hoping he proves he can be a starter again. I personally have always loved the Duke but worry about the fact he only has two real pitches. To me, of all the injured players the A's have for next season, his "story" is going to be the most intriguing to me. Can a guy with a Cutter and two Curveballs last past the sixth inning?

As far as Kotsay to the Braves, I wont care. I even said two months ago that the A's should call the Braves and see if they were interested in him.

yea i would like them to go after baldelli also because he is as just as much injured as kotsay and he is better. baldelli is good in the field, hits around the .300 range, 20-30 steal capability, and 20 HR ability.

To those people who seem to know every prospect in the Minor League system: get a life! Unless you are in the baseball business you are involved in nothing more than mental masterbation.

Posted by: HoratioAlgae

Stroke your ego much? With your thinking, you shouldn't even know the starters on a team.

Back to the news... I'm not comfortable with all the moves Wren is making. It seems like he wants to put his mark on this team for better or worse. Our bullpen is a strength, but this seems like the A's got a heck of a deal.

"To those people who seem to know every prospect in the Minor League system: get a life! Unless you are in the baseball business you are involved in nothing more than mental masterbation."

To those people who log onto a baseball website and then trash people who have a lot of baseball knowledge: get a life! Unless you are involved in an internet posting critique business you are involved in nothing more than being a worthless human being.

stupid move. stupid veteran leadership that the braves organization seems to HAVE to have. this is a bad decision, and i hope its not one of many coming the braves way. not only does that take away a strong arm/future closer caliber player, but it takes another 2.5 mil out of teixeira's extension offer, making it harder to resign him. good job billy beane! after being hosed on the hudson deal, it looks like we're even. bad day to be a brave fan right now. let's hope that kotsay has taken a few doses of hgh for that back of his. if this is the kind of decision that frank wren is going to make, then give me scheurholz!

We'll be okay guys. Kotsay, if healthy, will do the job. Sure, I'm sad to see Devine go (Mainly because he's yet to re-pay Atlanta for the Chris Burke "incident") but it's okay. It's not a move we'll end up regretting at all. Got him for $2MM too, that's cheap.

You gave up Devine for Kotsay. Josh Anderson is better than Kotsay, and you give up Devine for him. Devine could be a closer one day.

i guess i'm dreaming wake me up now braves fans!!

anyways, onto bigger things...how did affect a potential street deal?

A's asked for gomez/heilman/mulvey. now they dont need heilman with devine. does this accelerate a blanton deal?

do A's rely on denorfia in CF, who is coming offf TJ surgery? the inexperience of Gonzalez/Sweeney? DO they trade for Crisp?

we'll find out soon

If this is oficial big mistake wren. A first round pic with awesome upside for a broken down 33yr old outfielder who is basically paralyzed. This is just cheapo stuff. So many other options I mean I would have went and got like freakin lou ford instead of this. This is so stupid.
Kotsay career .282/.337/.415
Ford .272/.349/.402
It's a player to mix in with anderson.

Comg from a Braves' fan stand point, I never really liked Devine, never much liked Burke either...Lew Ford? I haven't heard that name in a long time, and in any case, why Lew Ford? In the past two seasons he has hit .264, .226, and .233 with OPS's of .715, .599, and .677 in 206 games. In 324 games over the past 3 years, Kotsay has put up averages of .280, .275, and .214. The .214 average is most likely the product of his injury. The man can still play defense and has a career .282 AVG. His OPS's over the past 3 years are .746, .718, and .575. Again, that last OPS is due largely to the injury. And for those of you that contend that Devine was a first round draft pick yadda yadda So was Kotsay. 9th pick overall of the 1996 draft, by the Marlins. The man can still play, I know he can. Kotsay has always been one my favorites as I saw him play when I was young for the Marlins. He says he is healthy and I believe him. If Devine ever becomes anything useful in the bigs, I will cut off my genitalia.

Devine compares to Jon Lester. Again, WTF!?!

HORRENDOUS MOVE FOR WREN.

"A's asked for gomez/heilman/mulvey. now they dont need heilman with devine. does this accelerate a blanton deal?"

I hope not.

"I will approve of this trade if Jamie Kotsay has sex with me."

Awesome.

What drugs was Wren taking when he made this deal? Beane just fucked us up. I think he's still pissed about the Hudson trade.

You know, this is just a horrible, horrible, horrible trade… Why in the world would you give up a guy with the potential to provide solid results who is ready to do so now, for a guy with the potential to possibly produce ok results for 1 year on the off-chance he manages to stay healthy ~ oh, and you are going to pay him 2M on top of it! Wouldn’t So Taguchi at 1M and keeping Devine be a much, much, much better idea?

I really don’t see what Atlanta is thinking here at all, this is a head-scratcher… What does Kotsay even bring to the team? Vet-bench depth doesn’t cost teams 2M + a guy like Devine ~ this is foolish…

unbelievable.. this is disgusting. braves are going backwards.. first andruw (okay i understand money issues).. then renteria (he was a bargain for a top 3 nl avg hitter) and now you want to sign this banged up piece of trash? braves piss me off.

Some people are just not getting it... this is something to freak out about, kotsay is not a sure thing to contribute by any means, and no he is not a top of the order hitter anymore.... The fact that we got kotsay is not the issue, the fact that we should have gotten a better bounty for devine, let alone even traded him, is the reason this deal is hard to swallow.... The guy has very good stuff and makeup, and while I agree he still has value just based on potential, I would much rather have kept anderson in center or signed patterson and have let devine either succeed or fail in the Braves bullpen

Devine isn't a sure thing, but there are plenty of other superior alternatives to kotsay who could have been had this winter. Why not just sign kenny lofton, then you definately aren't blocking the kids? Dumb, Dumb move. Not because kotsay is an awful player, or that devine is the next coming of mariano, but because they should have been able to get more for him.

i'd rather co co crisp in centerfield as sad as that sounds.. would be cool the have 3 switch hitters in one lineup.. i know nothing of this kotsay dude except that he is a nice guy..

"Everyone is upset about the same Joey Devine that has more walks than innings pitched in the major leagues?"

So, Devine has pitched 19.2 innings (22 Walks) in the Bigs before the age of 23, and he's already being labeled by a Braves fan defending the trade. Gave up 2-Grand Slams in his first two outings in the MLB at age 21. Chris Burke HR at age 21.

Wren got Wrobbed.