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Over the next week or so some posts will be labeled as Survey Results, where I'll talk about your suggestions and the future of MLBTR. If you come here strictly for rumors you'll want to skip these. By the way please take our anonymous six-question survey if you haven't already.
Over 1,000 people gave suggestions for improving MLBTR. The predominant theme was to ditch the drab white text on black background color scheme. I couldn't agree more - a change is long overdue. Here are some details about the upcoming MLBTR redesign.
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Good luck with the changes, Tim. I do some site design (not sports related), and always advise my clients to consider a white background with black/dark text (they usually disagree, of course). It's just so much easier to read.
Just keep the content coming, and all will be well!
Posted by: AtlantaMike | March 22, 2008 at 03:55 PM
sweet new logo. Can't wait. Love the content too
Posted by: kkingevan | March 22, 2008 at 04:01 PM
Oh man am I the only one who loves the white on black? White backgrounds are just so bright.
The main problem with the font is that it's sans-serif, which makes it harder to read. Personally, I say black background, white text, wider columns, and a serif font would be best.
Posted by: Victor | March 22, 2008 at 04:04 PM
Site is great.
Duke Sucks!
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | March 22, 2008 at 04:07 PM
It will be switched to serif, but I think the general consensus is that black on white is the easiest to read. I am not going to keep fighting that. I don't want people's eyes getting tired (a common complaint).
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | March 22, 2008 at 04:09 PM
I'll miss the white on black.
Posted by: laftw | March 22, 2008 at 04:13 PM
I like the old logo better, just add a little color to it.
Other than that, keep up the good work.
Posted by: FireDoc83 | March 22, 2008 at 04:13 PM
Hmm, I was going to guess that I was in the minority, but a couple others have already chimed in: I don't at all mind the white text on black background. And while I like the new logo, it strikes me as a little bit generic, and I rather like the old one as well.
I'll definitely rejoice at a general layout redesign; less cluttering, less intrusive ads, and a wider site are all going to be huge improvements.
Either way, as AtlantaMike pointed out, it's the content we're all after. Pretty design is nice, but no matter what it looks like if you keep publishing outstanding material, we'll keep coming.
Posted by: asm | March 22, 2008 at 04:30 PM
Speaking of the search box... for me, it doesn't work.
Posted by: kray1000 | March 22, 2008 at 04:38 PM
It's worth keeping in mind that the darker backgrounds tend to be easier on the eyes. Even if it's switched to a grey, that's much easier on the eyes than white.
Posted by: TNS | March 22, 2008 at 04:58 PM
I like the new logo.
You could always have a CSS function on the site that would allow users to choose their desired color scheme.
Posted by: gerky | March 22, 2008 at 04:59 PM
I love the white on black, you just need a different font, like the man said.
Posted by: John Peterson | March 22, 2008 at 05:18 PM
Hi Tim,
I'll offer my two cents on the new logo - it's decent, nothing spectacular but I've seen much worse on other sites. Until money (or contacts) allow you to design something really spiffy, that's a fine logo.
However in the tagline underneath I would drop the "today's hottest baseball rumors" and just keep the "if it's whispered we hear it" for two reasons. The shorter the tagline, the better. It's easier to remember, which helps bring repeat traffic. And second, your title of the site already tells visitors what the site is about, you are just repeating it in the tagline.
Keep up the good work. The new writers are doing a great job.
Take care,
Dean.
Posted by: hemingways | March 22, 2008 at 05:38 PM
"The ads will be less intrusive. They will no longer be inside posts; the two main placements will be above the banner up top and a box in the lefthand sidebar. There may be some ads between posts. I also want the ads to be more relevant, a longer-term goal. "
Great idea taking the adds out between the posts!
I get into work in the morning around 8:30 and by 9:30, I have to put to "put in some work" so Ill copy and paste from your site into word and go ahead and print it out. A man needs a good read while working in the bathroom suite. So taking out the adds allows me more time 'putting work in' and less time deleting adds....
And I agree with Dean about the add.
Love the changes to come.
Thanks
clarknaddison
Posted by: clarknaddison | March 22, 2008 at 05:59 PM
I agree that shorter taglines are generally better. However I think people new to site wouldn't know what it's about, despite the title.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | March 22, 2008 at 06:57 PM
Some are always gonna like the white on black, but this site is never going to be taken seriously or get major (relevant) advertisers looking like this. There is a reason no major sites look like this.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | March 22, 2008 at 06:59 PM
I agree Tim. Im sure youv put a lot thought into it. Keep it your own though... Have you thought about keeping a columne black and white? Just to keep the old style theme a bit? Or maybe a darker red/blue with white print? Go Cubs!
Posted by: clarknaddison | March 22, 2008 at 07:10 PM
also a fan of the white on black, but change is good too, so whatevs.
On the logo: Everything is in italics, so nothing stands out. y'dig? if one line is in italics, it distinguishes it from the second. That's all.
Posted by: King Grandiosity | March 23, 2008 at 12:32 AM
It seems the consensus on the background is closer to 50/50. Does it have to be to the extreme? A white background is hard on the eyes especially at night and gives some people headaches. Why can't it be somewhere in between? There has to be a middle ground so no one's eyes are hurting and everyone can read it clearly. Simply making the font bigger would fix a lot of problems. They are just too small for some people.
The site is too plain looking and that is what other big sites "don't look like".
Posted by: Sesshomaru | March 23, 2008 at 01:56 AM
Actually going by the replies here, more people like the white on black than the opposite, Tim.
Posted by: Sesshomaru | March 23, 2008 at 01:57 AM
It would appear more people like the white on black, but people are more likely to comment if they are against something rather than for something. If you are for the change, you feel it is going to happen and there is no need for your input. If you are against the change, you feel you need to voice your opinion so that it does not happen.
Anyway, white on black IS easier on the eyes (there have been studies done), but you are right about people taking you seriously and what not. I prefer a darker background, but it will not bother me either way.
Glad to hear a new skin is coming, I always thought this site was rather bland looking.
Posted by: rowdyoctopus | March 23, 2008 at 08:10 AM
rowdy, not to be argumentative... but ...
there may be studies, but apparently not taken too seriously by major media outlets. Almost all credible news sites (i.e., sites meant to be read more than to wow people with design) use white background with dark text.
USA Today, NY Times, ESPN, etc etc. (I'm sure there are exceptions - MLBTR is one! - but the consensus on "good design" for newsy, content-driven websites is to go with black/dark on white, and use color just for highlights.
Anyway, I really don't mean to be nitpicking about it, but not much baseball news this Easter morning!
Posted by: AtlantaMike | March 23, 2008 at 09:56 AM
There is a massive consensus for black text on white background, trust me. I've spent a lot of time looking into it. And as Rowdy said, there's a selection bias in that people who hate the current look of the site sure as hell aren't going to register and leave a comment about it.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | March 23, 2008 at 10:13 AM
Love the new logo.
Posted by: OaklandAussie | March 23, 2008 at 10:36 AM
Black on white is definitely better, it's far more readable and easier on the eyes. I'm a graphic designer and I've never heard anyone claim that white text on a black background is easier to read. Also, I wouldn't go with a serif typeface for a sports blog; serifs, while they print great, can often break up on monitors. San-serifs are quite readable and get the job done just fine. I would stay with the current font and size and adjust the line spacing, it's far too tight now. Larger type actually makes things harder on the eyes.
Posted by: ted | March 23, 2008 at 02:41 PM
As a designer/developer who does a lot of research into user-centric design, I can say that a white background and a slightly larger font will improve usability. That doesn't mean that everyone will like it more, but you can't please everyone!
White on black causes some people real eye pain, just like complementary color schemes can (think red and green, or yellow and purple.)
@Victor: Studies also show that serif fonts are harder to read on screen than sans serif (though the opposite is true in print.) You might be in the minority, but that doesn't cancel out your opinions!
As for the logo, I like the font and colors, but the swoosh is way too overdone and dated at this point. It says "baseball" but it's a bit too obvious, and doesn't address "trade" or "rumors". I would drop the icon and just go with the typeface until something more suited to your brand can be developed.
Can't wait to see the redesign!!!
Posted by: baseballfiles | March 23, 2008 at 03:55 PM
I personally always liked this site because of its simplicity. No disrespect, but I think I'm going to be visiting rotoworld more often and probably wont visit this site much more. A few of my friends came to the same conclusion and have already quit visiting this site. It was cool while it lasted though. I think I'd read pretty much every post for the last couple of years up until a few weeks ago.
Posted by: lih | March 24, 2008 at 09:09 AM