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The rumors of Joe Crede's demise were greatly exaggerated. With many people writing him off after a poor spring, the White Sox third baseman jumped out to a .393/.419/.679 start in 28 ABs. That marks less than five percent of the season, but it's a start. South Side Sox is both supporting and doubting the early returns.
Understandably, Crede is leaving the trade and contract details in the hands of his agent, Scott Boras. He's earning $5.1MM this year, his last before free agency. The hot corner free agent market is looking bleak next winter, and Crede might be the best available. No one's expecting the Sox to extend Crede, but Kenny Williams has surprised us many times before.
The usual suspects remain the most likely suitors - the Dodgers and Giants. There's been nothing cooking on the Crede trade front recently with those clubs, though.
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Both the Tigers and the Tribe are stumbling out of the gate. The White Sox are no worse than the Twins and the Royals...they may be contenders and should keep Crede hoping he has a big walk year.
Then, no matter what, let him walk.
Posted by: pmc765 | April 08, 2008 at 09:36 AM
Nice Rise Against reference with the first sentence there!
Posted by: kgbaseball | April 08, 2008 at 10:16 AM
I know an intra-division deal probably won't happen, but we're here to speculate. If CLEV continues to get no production from LF, think they'd move Blake out there and add a 3B? Crede for Marte?
Posted by: maximumpotential | April 08, 2008 at 10:42 AM
To clarify: CHI would use Fields at 3B, and Marte as a super-sub.
Posted by: maximumpotential | April 08, 2008 at 10:43 AM
the sox have 0 use for Marte. We have Ozuna and Ramirez on the bench who can both play every position in the field.
The sox need to rebuild the farm system they traded for Swisher. They'll get some pitching prospects for crede, not another utility player.
Posted by: riconelly | April 08, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Where are those idiot Giants fans that were saying Pedro Feliz is bettter than Crede? They also said that Crede wasnt worth a top prospect out of their organization. What is the Giants record right now......?
Posted by: BlakJakk | April 08, 2008 at 11:09 AM
BTW I hope the Sox find someway to sign Crede to an extension and trade Fields for some pitching. I doubt Fields will ever be as good defensively as Crede is. When Crede first came up he couldnt hit but he still had great defense.
Posted by: BlakJakk | April 08, 2008 at 11:12 AM
I think the answer to this is obvious: Crede's last name is not Chavez. Crede is consistently under valued and under appreciated. True, I am biased Sox fan who has watched him play since he came up, but perhaps that is the point. He is a stud at 3B and he gets no props because he makes hard plays look easy, i.e. he does not have many spectacular plays because they are routine for him. In terms of hitting, not much has changed. He has always been streaky and will probably come down to earth, but he has always been consistently clutch. No matter what Crede does before the trade deadline, the Sox will NEVER get value back for him, which is sad. I agree they should keep him and try to be contenders. I would prefer to see the Sox sign him long term and make room for Fields by trading Konerko this off season.
Posted by: whimser | April 08, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Blakjakk...
One HR and Crede is God again??
The argument Giants have had all along is Crede wouldn't make us a contender!! Why give up a top prospect (whom Giants control for years) for one year of Crede (with Boras as his agent) and STILL come in last??
This is common sense. Maybe if we added Crede AND Nick Johnson AND Torii Hunter this off season we could have been contenders. Crede alone? no way!
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | April 08, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Im not sure what crede's value really is. Yes, he is a good player, and might be an all start once or twice in the NL, but even that is doubtful. He isn't really the kind of guy whos going to bring back top quality prospects. I think if theres a situation where we can get an upgrade to the back of our rotation, wed have to make the move. The sox have some major league ready talent to trade. I believe kenny will move Joe Crede, Juan Uribe, and perhaps mike mcdougal and brian anderson. Who knows, with nick swisher ready to take over 1st base and carlos quentin looking solid, Paul Konerko could be gone by mid summer.
Posted by: lletdownl | April 08, 2008 at 11:30 AM
This is a great situation to be in for Kenny Williams. He can ride Crede for the season if he continues to play as well as has so far, and either resign him or let him go. I think if he does well he'll be a type B. Or he can trade him and bring Fields up. However, Fields looks bad so far.
It is hard to judge Crede's value though. I can't call him injury prone, but he's not consistent either. I think it depends on if the Sox keep winning or if they flounder. Right now it makes the most sense to hold on to him. Especially because with the makeup of the team, trading Crede for a spare part wouldn't be an improvement, so it would have to be to help rebuild the farm.
Posted by: Chunk23 | April 08, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Crede is a good player, and if he stays healthy will prolly put numbers similar but less to those of 2006. No way he'll stay in a sox uniform into next year.
And his defense has not been that stellar thus far. He's looked a little uribe-ish lazy on some of his throws, hence his errors.
I look for the Sox to keep him another couple months, and trade him, unless they are in first or second with a great record. We need pitching, period, and fields will be good enough (above average) defensively.
Posted by: whitesoxfan424 | April 08, 2008 at 12:09 PM
What the Sox should really do is hold on to Crede and trade Konerko for pitching or a 2B and play Fields at 1B. Konerko is inconsistent as they come and Fields could give them similar power numbers for 1/10 the cost.
Posted by: DannyB | April 08, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Crede is just fine. His 7 games should be more than enough to demonstrate that his back is in great shape and his swing has returned. Anyone who says otherwise is just foolish.
On a related note - the LA Angels are vindicated by the best signing ever of a FA. Torii Hunter is putting up a 333/371/727 line. He is scheduled to break Barry Bonds' Home Run Record sometime in August and finish with 81 dingers.
Posted by: bjsguess | April 08, 2008 at 01:19 PM
A word of caution for optimistic Sox fans. Take a good look at Rich Harden. The guy is aces his first two starts. Discussions are beginning about how he is the prize catch of the season. Then low and behold - his next start is scratched. Who knows if this is an isolated incident or the beginning of yet another injury plagued season.
The longer you hold on to Crede the larger the risk becomes of re-injuring his back. He is a ticking time bomb and should be moved as soon as possible. Holding on to him to receive a maximum return is a huge risk. His performance will certainly decrease and the odds for injury go up every day he plays.
Posted by: bjsguess | April 08, 2008 at 01:23 PM
There are an awful lot of conclusions being drawn after only seven games.
Posted by: sweetswingingbw | April 08, 2008 at 01:36 PM
You should've seen the chat questions...
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | April 08, 2008 at 04:23 PM
I could not agree with Blak Jakk any more. Why the hell do we constantly trade 3rd basemen that are great ballplayers, then turn around and have to rebuild at 3rd? Pauly is the one who seldom gets out of the gate until June/July, would bring great trade value in return, teach Josh to play 1st base, could be a similar player. The Sox don't need to do any trades unless they determine Contreras or Floyd can't pull their weight, and we have all kinds of extra outfielders that will bring a starting pitcher that Coop can fine tune.
Posted by: jrreid | April 08, 2008 at 04:29 PM
Since when is Josh Fields a first baseman?? If Konerko is dealt or takes over DH duties next season with Thome's expected departure, Swisher will take over at 1B.
Posted by: Cold Golden Falstaff | April 08, 2008 at 04:56 PM
Did someone really say fields puts up similar numbers to konerko? In a few years, maybe. But not now. Trade Thome, move Konerko to DH, sign Crede for 3B, and move Fields to 1B. Yes, Swisher plays first and Fields doesn't. But Swisher also plays OF better than Fields.
Posted by: rakman412 | April 08, 2008 at 05:39 PM
"Did someone really say fields puts up similar numbers to konerko? In a few years, maybe. But not now."
Depends on which Konerko you're talking about. The Konerko of 2004-2006,
which knocked out near 40 homers with 100+ RBI and a 900 OPS. OR the Konerko of 2007, which hit .259 with 31 homers and an .840 OPS.
I think that Fields would be able to easily reach 2007 Konerko's numbers. His power is legitimate, and in The Cell, there is no doubt that he could knock out 30 homers and bat .260. Obviously this was a downyear for Konerko, but it'll take a little while to tell whether Konerko actually had a downyear or is simply getting worse.
And they're right that if Konerko gets traded (unlikely considering his 10-5 trade rights are activated in like two weeks, even though I think they should move him if they're not contending) it'll be Nick Swisher moving to first. With Swish at first and Crede at third, they'd have Fields, Quentin and Dye share the corner outfield positions with Owens and Alexei Ramirez in center.
Personally though, I think they should move Dye or Konerko if they can. This team needs to figure out a way to get Carlos Quentin into the lineup consistently, because he still has all the skills that made him an elite prospect like two years ago.
Posted by: scribbletone | April 08, 2008 at 07:58 PM
Pedro Feliz is bettter than Crede, netting out defense and salary.
Crede isn't worth a top prospect from any team, even a team whose minor-league system is as parched and thin as that of the Giants.
The @#%! Giants @#%! suck.
(So does TypePad's antispam filter, for the record.)
None of this makes Crede good.
If he's OPSing 1100 after 500 AB, I will personally go to the best hat store I know in Oakland, California, purchase their finest pimp hat, and eat it. I'll film it and post my meal of shame on the internet.
Will any Sox fan offer so much as a plugged nickel if he fails to?
I didn't think so.
Whiners.
Posted by: wcw | April 08, 2008 at 09:01 PM
I think that if the Giants are on pace to lose more than 100 games, and Crede proves to be at least average with the bat, then they could reach a deal.
The Giants may not want to give up Jonathan Sanchez, and Alderson and Bumgarner obviously aren't going anywhere, but this leads me to Henry Sosa. He's a pretty high risk/high reward guy, but the talent is legit. He's not a top 100 prospect, but he's a legit good prospect and would be a solid fetch for Chicago.
So. Yep, if Crede proves he's healthy in June while the Giants are embarrassing themselves, maybe they add Crede in hopes of turning the teams hopes around a little. Henry Sosa would be the guy I could picture KW going after.
"If he's OPSing 1100 after 500 AB, I will personally go to the best hat store I know in Oakland, California, purchase their finest pimp hat, and eat it. I'll film it and post my meal of shame on the internet.
Will any Sox fan offer so much as a plugged nickel if he fails to?"
And honestly, what an odd thing to say. You really would be willing to bet that Crede can't hit 1100? Do you honestly think there is anyone who would take that bet? Even a dellusional, drugged up, shitfaced drunk White Sox fan wouldn't put his money on that. It's simply preposterous and pointless to even discuss it.
"Pedro Feliz is bettter than Crede, netting out defense and salary."
I'm assuming that "netting out" means ignoring. That makes the previous statement extremely wrong. Feliz is making almost as much money as Crede is.
And on defense, while Crede is very good, Feliz is maybe the best defensive third baseman in baseball.
In fact, Crede's advantages over Feliz are solely based in the fact that he's a superior hitter. He has slightly more power potential, and is probably the better hitter overall. Plus, until his injury, Crede's hitting was on a clear, upward swing. Feliz's hitting was declining.
Posted by: scribbletone | April 08, 2008 at 09:32 PM
Josh Fields is every bit as a good as Joe Crede over the course of a full season. Theonly reason that Crede is still with the Sox is that Williams couldn't move him. A lot of teams think Crede is still hurt. His type of injury can effect him at any point and will likely effect the rest of his career. He will likely develop arthritis in his back. He might have extended healthy stretches....but his back will be an ongoing concern from here on out. Disc surgery is tricky business.
Posted by: coryjwilson | April 08, 2008 at 10:41 PM
I feel that the sox should keep Crede and play Fields at 1b. Instead of trading Paulie though, I feel the Sox should move him to DH and send Thome packing. I didn't like the acquisition of Thome in the first place and this is a good way for Kenny to redeem himself. A lot of teams are in need of a DH and a Thome type of player can bring in good prospects.
Posted by: Tough | April 08, 2008 at 10:51 PM
to the people that are talking about trading crede to Cleveland, u guys are morons
we wouldn't trade crede with in our division
Posted by: ChicagoWhiteS0xFan | April 09, 2008 at 01:51 PM
It's hard to imagine Crede not being dealt. He's unlikely to resign as a free agent. Why pay him big bucks when Fields is under control?
Posted by: coryjwilson | April 09, 2008 at 03:48 PM
It’s a couple games guys… Luke Scott is hitting something like .500/.585/.800… Crede still has the same Crede value ~ high, one year contract w/ Boars as his agent, one team as a possible destination and a prospect blatantly pushing him out the door. If you think his value is rising just because the Giants suck and he is doing good, I would like to point out the fact that the Giants knew they would suck going in…
If anything, Crede’s value has dropped because the Dodgers are no longer interested in a 3B type… When there is only one buyer, and that buyer doesn’t really want what you are selling; well…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | April 10, 2008 at 01:21 AM
o n Tough sorry to say but, that was the stupidest idea i've ever read
"Move Fields to 1B and Konerko DH" KONERKO'S 32 YEARS OLD! AND HIS GOOD DEFENSE
Fields wouldn't come up to play 1B over Konerko no way
Posted by: ChicagoWhiteS0xFan | April 10, 2008 at 04:06 PM
I heard a couple of new rumors about Joe Crede & Josh Fields. One with the giants and one with dodgers: The dodgers give either Andre Eithier or Matt Kemp, because the OF is not completely set, even with Quientin, + a minor leauge reliver.
The Giants rumor is Randy Winn, for the reasons stated above, and Jonathan Sanchez.
Posted by: AriGoldisaG | April 18, 2008 at 08:33 PM