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Braves, Angels Scouting Cardinals

Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch mentioned in a Wednesday chat that the Braves are scouting the Cardinals heavily and the Angels have also been watching recently.

One rumor that's been floating about consistently is that the Cardinals are willing to trade pitcher Anthony Reyes.  Yesterday Jayson Stark relayed that John Mozeliak wants "an upper echelon prospect back, plus another piece."


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Is it me or does that sound like alot to give up for this guy? id almost rather give the spots to reyes ( stats pretty decent thus far in AAA) and james ( we know he can pitch well) and keep our prospects. if we are going to give up top tier guys might as well get a proven guy back.

Why would the Braves scout Reyes? They have at least 5 minor league pitchers who could get a call-up and post an ERA of 6. They have a few that could even do way better than that.

I think they are scouting reyes because the braves still like to find bargain ben type pitchers, post sleeper types to come in and contribute. Plus if we could get Anthony reyes cheap, and no, reyes is not worth lillibridge, that could let Jo-Jo to continue improving at Triple-A, making him increase his trade value or just become a better pitcher. I would love for the braves to inquire about Kyle Loshe, but that will never happen as long as the cards are in contention, adn would probably cost too much in terms of prospects to get.

That makes sense. Take a guy who was an okay prospect himself, put him out on the trade market, and demand an upper echelon prospect (which the guy you are offering never was, let alone is now), and another guy, for an okay looking pitcher who might or might not be horrible that has never sustained any ML success, and cant even crack a rotation with guys like Pineiro, Looper, Wellemeyer etc. Its just mind boggling. A top echelon prospect and another piece can get you a guy like Millwood, yet this guy thinks some team will pay that price for his crap pitcher who has really never done anything useful in the big league level, with the exception of one well pitched game in october of 06?

Lillibridge for reyes seems like a good deal to me he's blocked in atlanta and the cards need a future shortstop. I would love to see reyes in a future rotation Hudson,Jurjens,reyes,james,
bennet or jojo.

"Lillibridge for reyes seems like a good deal to me he's blocked in atlanta and the cards need a future shortstop. I would love to see reyes in a future rotation Hudson,Jurjens,reyes,james,
bennet or jojo."

Ugh, please no. If you want a 5th starter with an ERA of 6, just stick with Jojo. He'd do that at the worst, and at the best, he maintains the nice K rate he's had so far this year in Richmond. I agree that Lillibridge is blocked and should probably be traded, but don't blow that trade chip on a guy we don't need.

I don't think the Braves consider trading any better prospects for him. I kind of like the idea of bringing up Charlie Morton..He has a great arm with good movement. Might as well stay in house

Come on..... I wish people would realize that A. Reyes's success so far this year does not warrent a prospect like lillibridge. That move makes no sense for the braves, as wel it shouldn't. If the braves want to make a move for a pitcher to help us out, we need to get a proven contributor, such as Millwood or Blanton.

And finally, Brent Lillibridge is too much to give up for Anthony Reyes..... End of Story.

the post I just gave does not mean I would not trade for A. Reyes, it just means in no way would I give up lilli for him.

Blanton will cost too much and Millwood would be alright. I can't see the Braves trading too much more to Texas in fear of seeing bounce back in their face...

The Angels could send willits and an "Low A" arm for Reyes. The Angels smell a steal, otherwise there is no way they get involved.

Wouldn't that go against the Angels' policy of not going outside the organization to improve the team?

As an Angels fan and a Willits fan, I'd like to see them make a good trade and I'd like to see Willits get a chance to play somewhere. But I'm not a huge fan of Reyes...

I can see a Lillibridge and Low A type guy for Blanton. The A's need a Shortstop of the future if Crosby can't get it done.

I'm all for moving Willits but I sure hope that it is for someone better than Reyes.

What a surprise, braves fans hailing their prospects as simply too much to give up for something they actually need.

I bet you're hoping Scott Thorman will land a young frontline stud.

Oh well

The Braves would definitely be overspending if they gave Lillibridge for A. Reyes. But how do people feel about Lohse for Lillibridge? As a Cards fan I would love if the Cards could continue to compete at this level, but I don't see it happening. If the cards have a chance to flip a couple of months of Lohse for a quality middle infield prospect who's ready to play, they should take it when they can get it.

Ok GoBoSox20...

Here we go again with your idiotic posts...

Lets try this once again...

A. Use Lillibridge to acquire A. Reyes, a pitcher whom we could use but has proven thus far to be no better than jojo reyes or chuck james at the ML level

or B. Use lillibridge in a package to go get a more proven starter.

What you fail to realize in your repetitive stupidity is that we are not overvaluing our prospects, we are turning down scenerios that make no sense, and offering up scenerios that actually make some sense.

Please get with the program.

Again, would love to have loshe, but as long as the cards are in contention, and they could be for a while considering the division they play in, loshe is doing too good to go anywhere at the moment.

If the Braves are going to trade top tier prospects, then make sure you get a stud in return. Reyes is no stud.

It's just funny to hear you talk down about essentially everything, Bravesbeast.

Your team is not in a position to start dictating the terms, you're below 500 and getting worse/older/injured by the day.

Lillibridge is a decent blocked prospect on a team that is soon to be desperate for pitching. The back of your rotation sucks, the front of your rotation is becoming increasingly unstable.

No team is going to sit down with the Braves and allow them to pick up a stud frontline pitcher for a blocked SS prospect on a team that has no business thinking they're in the drivers seat.


Lillibridge for Reyes makes far more sense than Lillibridge for anything resembling a stud pitcher. Far more sense.

There are a couple of Bravesfans that have a tendency to overvalue their prospects (e.g. Chuck James and Brandon Jones for Roy Oswalt), but Bravesbeast isnt one so I am not sure if he was addressing you or not. Either way in this case they are all correct. They have their own sort of crappy Reyes with some upside. They dont need to trade an "upper echelon" prospect to get somebody elses crappy Reyes.

"Lillibridge for Reyes makes far more sense than Lillibridge for anything resembling a stud pitcher. Far more sense."

But it really doesnt though. The Braves already have Reyes, James, Bennett, hell they would be better off using Blaine Boyer to start games then trading any of their valuable prospects for Anthony Reyes. That would be the equivolant of just cutting lillibridge and letting Jojo Reyes start. You arent improving anything but depth, so whats the point. Salty was a blocked prospect, and got packaged to get Texeira, and the Braves werent in a much different situation then they are now. Granted, Lilli is no where close to Salty;s level really, but the point is, why not add Brandon Jones and Chuck James to Lillibridge and try to get Kevin Millwood, an actual useful pitcher, or Joe Blanton, a guy I dont like but at the least will eat innings (and burgers and cakes and such :) )and be league average. If you trade lillibridge for A. Reyes you are essentially just losing Lillibridge for no reason other then adding depth. And to this point, that depth hasnt really shown any evidence it isnt just crappy depth.

I'm not advocating a trade.

I'm simply saying a 24 year old posting a 750 ops last year is not worthy of a "stud" pitcher

Look at how insanely valuable frontline pitching is. Lillibridges value isn't close to being as valuable as a frontline stud pitcher, thus he is closer in value to Reyes.

Sure he could be packaged with something else to net a better return, but I think it's a case of severe homerism if you think this guy is seriously worth some stud pitching.

I am not turning down everything.... All I have said is that while the braves should make a move to stablize the staff, the definitely should not panic to the point they give up a substanial piece of our future just to fix us now. I am not suggesting the braves should think they can dicate anything; however, i am suggesting they not be stupid, as you suggest they should be, and that they should actually be logical in there pursuits.

No one is saying that Lillibridge is worth a stud, all I have said is that he should be part of a package to get a more dependable picther.

GoBosox, as usual, you are the one adding in exaggerations and applying false context to my statements. Lillibridge and Gorkys should only be traded if it is for a pitcher who can help us now and into the future, and A. Reyes is not even an upgrade over what we have now, not to mention his questionable future.

Keep your posts within the context of what I have posted, and then respond. It makes no sense for the braves to sacrifice everything for now, we tried that with the Teixera trade last year, and our postion as a team in terms of the standings has not changed at all. We made that move to help us content this year, at some point you just have to practice some restraint and not trade away the future unless you can get parts to help you know and in the future.

A name you guys have failed to mention is Braden Looper. Once the injured starters come back for the Cards, Looper is most likely one of the odd men out(along with Wellemyer, also another candidate).

Others have mentioned this in other posts, but I'd actually offer more to land Jackson from the Rays than I would to get A. Reyes. Jackson's also erratic but has a lot more upside and can flat our bring it. Plus he's younger.

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