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The Mets designated pitchers Nelson Figueroa and Jorge Sosa for assignment today.
Figueroa, a 34 year-old journeyman, provided a few decent starts but seems to have stopped fooling people. Sosa was just terrible; the Mets will have to swallow his $2MM salary.
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too bad Figueroa was a great story
Posted by: bsalamon | May 13, 2008 at 03:51 PM
Let us all rejoice.
Yeah, last night was the "straw that broke the camels back" in the case of both of these guys. Figgy had been a nice story, but he had a whip over 2 and an era over 7 in his last few appearances after being a nice surprise earlier. Sosa is just brutal. Like the Mota of last year, though atleast they cut their losses with Sosa. Figgy wasn't needed with guys like Armas, Vargas, Bostick, Niese, Vargas all capable of getting filling the 5th spot in the rotation. Last night was killer though, the Mets looked to be getting into a bit of a groove as a team, and Figueroa did everything in his power to give that game away, giving up runs in each of the innings following the Mets getting him a lead. Sosa then came in and made absolutely sure there would be no comeback. It is nice to see that Joe Smith wasn't the casualty of Matt Wise's return solely because of the fact that he had options. He has been great out of the pen for them so they made the right choice. Thank you to Figgy for a few good starts for the Mets, and good luck if you end up somewhere else. As for sosa, I hope he ends up somewhere else in the NL east.
Posted by: nrmax88 | May 13, 2008 at 03:53 PM
I'm kind of sad to see Figgy go... He was a good story, but he just isn't good enough to get major league hitters out...
As for Sosa... thank god.. The dude was complete garbage, and I can't comprehend another team being stupid enough to claim him..
Posted by: Hyro | May 13, 2008 at 03:59 PM
It confuses me to no end how the Braves once got a 13-3 record and 2.55 ERA out of Sosa. I think they replaced him with a robot that year or something.
I was always happy to see the Mets put him into the game when they were playing the Braves, and I agree with nrmax that I'd be more than happy to see him land in, say, Philly?
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | May 13, 2008 at 04:05 PM
FinehamAbounds, it is bizzarre isn't it? He did the same thing for the Mets last year, they picked him up, and he was very good for a little while for them in the rotation, and then pretty solid out of the pen, just enough the fool them into signing him again. Then he bounces around for another couple years until he lands somewhere, gives them a good month or two, and cashes in again. I guess he is an opportunist at its finest. The idea of Jorge Sosa pitching in Philly does bring a smile to my face.
Posted by: nrmax88 | May 13, 2008 at 04:19 PM
I was a bit surprised when the Mets re-signed him because I felt he was obviously a one-hit wonder. Also, I wish the Mets had dealt him when the Tigers were mildly interested in him towards the beginning of Spring Training. Regardless, I'm glad they are both off the team...
Posted by: moebarguy | May 13, 2008 at 04:19 PM
The perfect storm of luck in 2005: Hit luck + HR luck + high scoring offense. Funny thing is he actually cleaned up his K/BB just a little in 2006 but everything else came back down to earth.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | May 13, 2008 at 04:34 PM
Sosa's only decent in the odd number years
2005- good
2006- horrendous
2007- decent
2008- awful
Posted by: octoberredbirds | May 13, 2008 at 05:42 PM
Aww poor Figueroa. He gets his panties in a bunch last night for the Nats whooping his ass and celebrating and toda he has no job.
Posted by: XD23 | May 13, 2008 at 05:59 PM
Got his panties in a bunch? That chanting crap is so bush league its not even funny.
Posted by: stellar | May 13, 2008 at 06:10 PM
Yeah it is such a shame that grown men playing a kids game should enjoy themselves and have fun.
Posted by: XD23 | May 13, 2008 at 07:18 PM
"Yeah it is such a shame that grown men playing a kids game should enjoy themselves and have fun."
Ok, what are you talking about? This is baseball, not some game you play in local parks or back alleyways! Its a somber and miserable job, and each clubhouse has a huge neon sign saying "no fun allowed" that the players should respect...
...Next thing you know they will be wearing their hats insideout, playing practical jokes on eachother and worst of all ~ all rushing onto to the field to celebrate walkoff home-runs at home plate like a bunch of 3rd graders…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | May 13, 2008 at 08:56 PM
I agree, Figs should have been more worried about getting outs then the guys cheering in the dugout. I think MLB has turned into a country club type of atmosphere. In the NHL, you see players talking smack and trying to get in eachothers heads all the time. In the NFL, you dont think there are guys talking to the kicker from the other side of the line of scrimmage as he goes for a game tying fieldgoal with 8 seconds on the clock? Remember when Lebron James whispered into Gilbert Arenas' ear while he was on the free throw line during crunch time?
It isn't as if they were chanting about Nelson's mom, or calling him obscene names. From what I could hear, they were chanting things like "Lets go Zim" or "Lets go three four" or things like that. If a team knows that chatting it up in the dugout can get inside a pitchers head, and they dont do so because they feel it is "bush", then they should lose that game. If you can gain a competitive advantage without breaking a rule, then go for it.
That all said, this is just my opinion, and I can see the flipside of the argument, and why Nelson was upset. But still, to show the other team that it was bothering you, or atleast effecting you to the point that you react in a demonstrative way towards the other dugout while walking off the field is not smart. It certainly wont get them to stop.
A common theme in these debates seems to be a lot of the older people and veteran players who have been around the game for a lot of years seem to call these kinds of things bush league, while younger fans and younger players will say it is youthful exuberance or simply trying to gain a competitive advantage over the opponent. It reminds me of the blog portion of Costas Now with Buzz Bissinger and Will Leitch, where Buzz was calling his style, and the whole blog culture a cheap and ignorant source of information, made up by uniformed and unqualified people. Leitch resonded with the question of what makes it okay for the veterans of sports journalism to judge what is and is not acceptable, just because it is different. People can debate whether these sorts of things are bush league (Joba celebration, Milledge high fives, dugout chanting, Sean Avery face guarding Marty Brodeur, Lebron James getting into Gilbert Arenas' head), but if they are within the rules, then there really isn't anything anybody can do about it, and who is to say what is bush league and what isn't if there are no rules being broken.
Posted by: nrmax88 | May 13, 2008 at 10:23 PM
“A common theme in these debates seems to be a lot of the older people and veteran players who have been around the game for a lot of years seem to call these kinds of things bush league, while younger fans and younger players will say it is youthful exuberance or simply trying to gain a competitive advantage over the opponent.”
…Yeah, but its not like all of this stuff is isolated to the last few years. I mean, look at the people complaining about Joba and KRod today when Eck was much more dramatic years ago. And I sadly have to consider John Kruk correct on that one; he pointed to hitters watching their HRs as more problematic than a closer being excited when the roles are reversed. And then if you wanna be absolutely honest, Satchel Page was said to be rather over-confident and eccentric on the mound from what I’ve heard. Or what about Ty Cobb and his base-running antics? Or worse yet, his incident with Honus Wagner... Then when everything is said and done, one of the most storied moments in the history of the game should probably be called rather “bush” but you don’t hear too many people whining about the Babe calling his shot do you…
And then, how far should we take the “bush” thing ~ I mean, a SB threat getting a blatantly huge lead off of 1st could be considered “bush”, but that’s just always been part of the game. How about lining your SS up on the right-side of the bag? And its not only the players and managers getting into these types of things ~ what about the clubs handing out “thunder sticks” to cause distractions for the other club, or those cheesy little videos on the score board playing “hit the road jack” when the pitcher gets yanked, or mascots as a whole…
So where I can also see both sides of the fence on it, taking the nature of the game and its history in as a whole, and realizing that its rather selective when so much else is just glossed over, well…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | May 14, 2008 at 12:20 AM
I think its funny that only the losing team knows what's bush league and what isn't. It's not BL when someone hits a walk-off and the entire team celebrates at the plate while the batter chucks his helmet into the upper deck. I guess that isn't showing up the pitcher.
When my ears hear Bush League, my head hears Sore Loser.
Posted by: benjoua | May 14, 2008 at 12:36 AM
Honestly, the Mets completely mishandled Sosa. 2005 wasn't the only good stretch he had. He won his first five or six starts with the Mets and had an ERA around 3.00 even at a time in 2007 when the rest of the Mets were in a terrible funk (mid June). They should have either had him start out in the rotation, or cut ties with him right away. His versatility is so overrated. He's a guy that NEEDS to pull it back a notch, pound the zone, etc. NOT let it rip for an inning and then ditch. I don't care how rubbery his arm was or how cool he was pitching back to back days. He should have been a starter or off the roster from a beginning. If he got off to another hot start, the Mets might have sold high on him (not for much mind you, but Omar's a master of weaving another team's trash into treasure, see Ryan Church, Oliver Perez, John Maine, etc.).
Posted by: MEddler | May 14, 2008 at 01:40 AM
Oh, and a little exuberance is fine, but when it carries on and on like that and coaches start getting into it, that crosses a line. Elijah Dukes has had enough problems, the last thing he needs is a coach encouraging him to rub players the wrong way. To his credit, all the bean balls will get his OBP up.
That said, I have absolutely no problem with what Joba's been doing. Papelbon's been doing it for two or three years now, no one complains. I could even stomach what Milledge did slapping the fans hands while taking the field in extras. It was a bit much, but as an isolated incident, I can forgive it. Just don't let it carry on. It may not be bush league, but its childish, and its going to get you on bad graces of possible future teammates.
Posted by: MEddler | May 14, 2008 at 01:43 AM
"Honestly, the Mets completely mishandled Sosa. 2005 wasn't the only good stretch he had. He won his first five or six starts with the Mets and had an ERA around 3.00 even at a time in 2007 when the rest of the Mets were in a terrible funk (mid June). They should have either had him start out in the rotation, or cut ties with him right away. His versatility is so overrated. He's a guy that NEEDS to pull it back a notch, pound the zone, etc. NOT let it rip for an inning and then ditch. I don't care how rubbery his arm was or how cool he was pitching back to back days. He should have been a starter or off the roster from a beginning. If he got off to another hot start, the Mets might have sold high on him (not for much mind you, but Omar's a master of weaving another team's trash into treasure, see Ryan Church, Oliver Perez, John Maine, etc.)."
The problem with Sosa is he can't get Lefties out....at all. He needs to be put into situations where he only really sees Right Handed Batters, which is definately not as a Starter. The Mets had the right idea last year when they used him situationally in the bullpen, but this year for whatever reason they decided to try him as a Long-Man, which was never going to work because, again, Lefties hit .375 off of him. I guess they tried it because Joe Smith was better as a ROOGY and took all of those situations for himself.
Posted by: AdropOFvenom | May 14, 2008 at 06:50 AM
The thing with Figueroa though is I think the chanting fired him up. He was struggling at the point when they began chanting, having already loaded the bases and then walking in a run, and once they started chanting he quickly struck out Milledge and then got Austin Kearns to fly out to end the inning. That wasn't a sign of a guy who was being distracted by the chanting, instead it fired him up and he made the pitches to get out of that Inning.
The problem with Figueroa though was he kept putting himself into trouble. His last start for example, he walked 5 batters and hit 2 more with Pitches. When you let 7 people on without getting a hit, you're just asking for trouble. I guess he lost his command, which kinda sucks because his first 2 starts were really good.
Posted by: AdropOFvenom | May 14, 2008 at 06:57 AM
Does anyone really think players don't talk smack at one another on the basepaths, at the plate, or heckle from the dugout, or that while cheering isn't "bush league," but organized cheering is? Gimmie a break.
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | May 14, 2008 at 10:40 AM
My problem isn't necessarily with the cheering, its with:
A. The fact that Lenny Harris, the Nats hitting coach, was in on it. Especially for a troubled player like Elijah Dukes (who was yet to have a hit yet this season), this is absolutely the wrong example to set.
B. The way it carried on. Anyone watching the game on TV could hear it. It sounded like a little league team. Honestly, even as a Mets fan, I was embarrassed for them.
I remember watching the Red Sox do a little organized foot stomping last postseason. The fact that it wasn't quite as noticeable and there wasn't one guy dancing around the dugout making an ass of him self left me feeling no problem with it.
Posted by: MEddler | May 14, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Yeah, Elijah Dukes is just a completely different story. I wouldnt even have the guts to throw at him on purpose. Did you see the way he was looking at the umpire after he got called out on a pitch right down the middle? He looked like he seriously wanted to murder him. Even like 5 minutes later, they showed him sitting in the dugout, staring out towards homeplate looking deranged. But the guy does have all the tools to be a superstar, maybe he just needs to do some yoga or meditation or something to calm himself down.
Posted by: nrmax88 | May 14, 2008 at 03:30 PM
"But the guy does have all the tools to be a superstar, maybe he just needs to do some yoga or meditation or something to calm himself down."
...Could be worse, he could be throwing baseballs at the fans (Albert "dont call me Joey" Belle), or rushing the stands to punch the fans out (Milton Bradley), or trying to run them over with his car (Albert “don’t call me Joey” Belle again…), or even worse yet ~ throwing firecrackers at those fans in the parking lot! (Eric Davis and his "entourage")
…Ahh, so nice to see the game doesn’t discriminate against the mentally ill ~ makes watching the games so much more entertaining (and a tad bit dangerous…)
Posted by: darkstar1661 | May 14, 2008 at 04:47 PM