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From Dan Graziano of the Newark Star-Ledger:
The Dodgers continue to look everywhere for a shortstop, and tons of names have come up in connection with their search. They don't seem likely to land the Pirates' Jack Wilson, but they're scouring other organizations for options, having touched base with Toronto about John McDonald, the Yankees about Alberto Gonzales, the Twins about Adam Everett and even the Rangers about Michael Young, though it's unclear whether or why Young would be available.
Young is new to the discussion. The 31 year-old shortstop is hitting .298/.345/.421 in 469 plate appearances this year. He's currently dealing with a fractured ring finger. His five-year, $80MM extension was signed in March of '07 but doesn't kick in until next year. Even if the Rangers would listen on Young, could the Dodgers take on such a contract?
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We better not be interested in trading Young. Jon Daniels better start looking for a new job if he is thinking about that. Young is more valuable to the Rangers than anyone gives him credit for. He is one of the most undervalued players in baseball.
Posted by: rangersfan | July 29, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Yes, if it involves shipping Andruw Jones out as part of the deal. That might be worth it for the Rangers, though, as Jones' contract goes only one more year, and that Young extension's already looking awful before it even kicks in. The contracts match up almost evenly for next year (Jones $15M, Young $16M).
Obviously the Rangers would need more than that to make the deal worthwhile and sellable to their fan base. That said, it's worth looking into for them.
Posted by: ColonelTom | July 29, 2008 at 10:42 AM
What are the Dodgers willing to give up for Gonzales? Im sure the Yankees proce isnt too high.
Posted by: yanks26ngoin | July 29, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Rangersfan: $16million underrated? Because that's what he will make for the next few years. He is NOT worth that much, regardless of how much "heart" he may have or how "clutch" he may seem.
Posted by: BrianTX | July 29, 2008 at 10:44 AM
i'm guessing they could basically get everett for free from the twins. send over a prospect with a hint of upside and he's off to the dodgers.
Posted by: derby | July 29, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Besides, Texas has a top shortstop prospect, Elvis Andrus, holding his own in AA at age 20, showing lightning speed, tremendous defensive ability, and signs of being a viable hitter in the majors. Andrus is the future at SS in Texas, not Young.
Ian Kinsler (a far superior hitter to Young) isn't moving anywhere, so Young's looking at moving to 3B by 2010 at the latest if he stays in Texas. Young's bat is simply average offensively at 3B. That's not worth $16M a year, not by a longshot.
Posted by: ColonelTom | July 29, 2008 at 10:54 AM
As a Rangers fan, I say no thank you.
LA will only want to trade guys like Jones back. Possibly a deal like LaRoche and Jones for Young.
The Rangers are not trying to unload contracts and are very happy with Young. He's the veteran and team leader on the team. He might not be worth 16M a year but he's still consistently hitting .300 with 200 hits each season.
Posted by: coolbean04 | July 29, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Michael Young just fractured his finger.
Posted by: Playwright | July 29, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Also, don't talk about Elvis. He's probably like 2 years away so Young is not moving positions any time soon.
Posted by: coolbean04 | July 29, 2008 at 10:57 AM
How about Farnsworth, Rasner and Gonzales for Lowe?
Posted by: jjyankeesfan2 | July 29, 2008 at 10:57 AM
....or maybe Britton and Gonzales for Kuo?
(just thinking outloud. don't know what the Dodgers feelings are for either of these players...although I know Lowe will be a free-agent, just like Farns. )
Posted by: jjyankeesfan2 | July 29, 2008 at 11:00 AM
I'm a Rangers fan and I would be willing to listen. Young is getting on and there has been talk about moving him to third base partly because there is a lot of young SS talent in the Rangers system getting ready to push Young. No way do the Rangers want Jones for any deal including Young. You have to start with Clayton Kershaw and go from there.
Posted by: MadmanTX | July 29, 2008 at 11:01 AM
The Yankees can keep Gonzales if they want something more than a marginal player for him.
Lowe? A solid SP
Kuo? A lights out lefty RP
Posted by: MikeClarke | July 29, 2008 at 11:03 AM
And nobody needs to mention Elvis Andrus yet. Joaquin Arias is ready to step up from AAA.
Posted by: MadmanTX | July 29, 2008 at 11:04 AM
No way the Rangers trade any player on their roster unless they're getting back pitching. Also, everyone is quick to mention Texas has Elvis Andrus waiting in the wings... why so quick to forget about Joaquin Arias who was the minor league player of the year in the system a few years ago?
Posted by: Drago | July 29, 2008 at 11:04 AM
Wow, ok. The Yankees arent dealing Farnesworth. They wont have a replacement. If they get a starter, which is now highly unlikely, it will be Washburn. The only concievable trade to do would be a mid level prospect with some upside for Gonzales.
Posted by: yanks26ngoin | July 29, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Arias is not an option. He would have a .290 OBP in the Majors. That's OBP and not BA.
Posted by: coolbean04 | July 29, 2008 at 11:08 AM
I don't think the question is "Could they," but, "Should they?"
Another huge contract for a veteran? I like Young, but I don't like many veterans that crosses paths with Colletti.
Posted by: Royboy | July 29, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Madman,
There is no way in God's green Earth the Dodgers would trade Kershaw for Young. Are you high? Also, Arias can barely through across the infield after his surgery, there is no way he's ready for the bigs yet.
Posted by: BrianTX | July 29, 2008 at 11:11 AM
The Rangers have had Arias (hitting .285/.316/.389 in his second full year of AAA, at age 23) splitting time between 2B and SS, flip-flopping with non-prospects Ryan Roberts and Drew Meyer. He's being groomed as a utility infielder at this point - a good one, mind you, but not a long-term starter.
Posted by: ColonelTom | July 29, 2008 at 11:13 AM
I know MY would love to play back home in LA, but the Dodgers aren't going to part with the players it would take to pry our team leader away.
Posted by: txrangers22 | July 29, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Michael Young is one of only 3 people in MLB history to have 5 straight 200 hit seasons. How can u expect Josh Hamilton to continue to drive in runs without Young on base. Andrus is doing well in AA but he is nowhere near major league ready.
Posted by: rangersfan | July 29, 2008 at 11:19 AM
i hear the rays inquired about albert pujols. that's printable right?
Posted by: uncannymanny | July 29, 2008 at 11:24 AM
"You have to start with Clayton Kershaw and go from there. "
The Dodgers would hang the phone up before you could finish Clayton's first name...
The Rangers would obviously have to eat some of the contract if they wanted anything in return, but you'd think if JD is trading Young, LaRoche would be part of the deal and you'd work from there... Daniels would probably require some type of pitcher in return as well.
I'd be all for trading Mike if you could get a couple of good prospects in return. With Hamilton and Kinsler breaking out in huge ways this year, it's not like they'll be scrambling to find a new face to market to the fan base...
Posted by: N41D | July 29, 2008 at 11:24 AM
How about, Laroche and someone for perkins and everett from the twins
Posted by: kentonpieper | July 29, 2008 at 11:25 AM
"The Yankees can keep Gonzales if they want something more than a marginal player for him."
What incentive would the Yankees have to deal Gonzales if they didn't get something more than a marginal player?
The onus is on the inquiring team to make the deal worthwile. You can't offer crap to fill your needs and expect a trade to happen. No team is trying to help any other team when it makes a trade.
Posted by: V | July 29, 2008 at 12:00 PM
The Dodgers should contact the Indians who have a SS playin out of position in Cabrara he is a defensive wizard who is that to be struggling because of being played at 2nd base with johnny Peralta at Short for Cleveland.
The Dodgers know already what players the Indians are interested in from we they tried to optain CC and through the players talked about during the Blake trade.
McDonald / LaRoche / Hu and DeWitt are player that came up oftain and The Indians may be willing to pick up Andrew Jones last year of his contract if the right trade can be made. And with Cabrara you control him for the next 5 or 6 years on the cheap.
Just a thought since they have already talked so much this year.
Posted by: baseballnuts | July 29, 2008 at 12:11 PM
"There is no way in God's green Earth the Dodgers would trade Kershaw for Young."
Absolutely correct. They wouldn't even discuss Kershaw for Miguel Cabrera, let alone Michael Young.
"The Rangers would obviously have to eat some of the contract if they wanted anything in return, but you'd think if JD is trading Young, LaRoche would be part of the deal and you'd work from there... Daniels would probably require some type of pitcher in return as well."
Having Meloan would be useful here. Still, I think Young and cash is worth LaRoche straight up at this point. Maybe a throw in prospect.
"How can u expect Josh Hamilton to continue to drive in runs without Young on base."
Easy. Hamilton has been driving in Ian Kinsler, not Michael Young.
Posted by: AA | July 29, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Just because the Rangers have sucked for years doesn't mean the GM is a gullible sucker. And just because the Dodgers want a player doesn't mean they get to just have him at whatever price they choose.
The only way the Rangers would even consider parting with Young, the heart and soul of the team, would be for Kershaw and probably Broxton, too. Yup, his price would be that high.
Considering that, and considering how all you Dodgers homers insist that Kershaw is unavailable, then this is officially a stupid, pointless thread.
Posted by: J the Dizzolla | July 29, 2008 at 12:21 PM
OK, as a Rangers fan, I am ok with the idea of dealing Young but a major league ready pitcher must be included in the deal. Also, it would be much easier to deal Young in the offseason to get a better package. Nothing will happen now.
Posted by: Texas Baller | July 29, 2008 at 12:27 PM
I'm a Rangers fan and you're on crack. If we were offered Kershaw, JD would make the trade faster than you can blink.
Just because the Rangers have sucked for years doesn't mean the GM is a gullible sucker. And just because the Dodgers want a player doesn't mean they get to just have him at whatever price they choose.
The only way the Rangers would even consider parting with Young, the heart and soul of the team, would be for Kershaw and probably Broxton, too. Yup, his price would be that high.
Considering that, and considering how all you Dodgers homers insist that Kershaw is unavailable, then this is officially a stupid, pointless thread.
Posted by: J the Dizzolla | July 29, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Posted by: coolbean04 | July 29, 2008 at 12:31 PM
oops meant to put qoutes so most of the writing above is a copy and paste.
"Just because the Rangers have sucked for years doesn't mean the GM is a gullible sucker. And just because the Dodgers want a player doesn't mean they get to just have him at whatever price they choose.
The only way the Rangers would even consider parting with Young, the heart and soul of the team, would be for Kershaw and probably Broxton, too. Yup, his price would be that high.
Considering that, and considering how all you Dodgers homers insist that Kershaw is unavailable, then this is officially a stupid, pointless thread.
Posted by: J the Dizzolla | July 29, 2008 at 12:21 PM"
Posted by: coolbean04 | July 29, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Was anyone seriously suggesting a Young for Kershaw deal? I thought the point was more that Jon Daniels is looking for a Kershaw-type player during the trade deadline, and if he doesn't get a bite he's perfectly happy to keep the team as it is.
Posted by: Drago | July 29, 2008 at 12:37 PM
"Easy. Hamilton has been driving in Ian Kinsler, not Michael Young."
Who Josh Hamilton has driven in , 2008:
Ian Kinsler - 32
Michael Young - 26
Josh Hamilton - 24
Other - 21
Yep...he sure isn't ever driving in Michael Young.
Posted by: Zebraheaded | July 29, 2008 at 12:56 PM
How about Everett for LaRoche.
Posted by: HouseThatKirbyBuilt | July 29, 2008 at 12:56 PM
no way the rangers trade mike young. no way on earth. at least not this year. and if they somehow did - it would have to include at 3 top prospects, including kershaw. NO WAY THAT HAPPENS.
Posted by: tmoney352 | July 29, 2008 at 01:05 PM
"The only way the Rangers would even consider parting with Young, the heart and soul of the team, would be for Kershaw and probably Broxton, too. Yup, his price would be that high."
I LOL'd. Dodgers had a "Heart and soul of the team" too, his name was Ladouca. Heart transplants heal quickly. Anyway, the thought of adding another player with Kershaw, let alone Kershaw himeslf, is nothing short of laughable.
Posted by: abcrazy4dodgers | July 29, 2008 at 01:10 PM
Oooops, LoDouca. How dare I forget how to spell our long since departed heart and soul's name =)
(Another cry for edit button)
Posted by: abcrazy4dodgers | July 29, 2008 at 01:13 PM
One more add....
If there is ANYTHING a Dodger GM would ever refer to past history on, that would be trading a young can't miss arm for a middle infielder.
Tried that once. Unfortunately for Fred Claire, that appears to be his legacy (For ya'll east of New Mexico, that was Pedro for Delino).
Posted by: abcrazy4dodgers | July 29, 2008 at 01:26 PM
Seriously, enough with the Clayton Kershaw suggestions. Not gonna happen. Sure, it would be great to get that arm back home, but it's not happening.
If the Dodgers were to take on Young, the Rangers would have to take on Jones. That's how that works. LaRoche would also be coming to Texas in a deal like that. The key piece for Texas would be a pitcher, and that is where Scott Elbert comes into play. And finally, the trick in JD's recent deals has been grabbing the teenager. So, the Dodgers would likely have to throw in some young pitcher.
So, the deal would look like this:
Young + throw in for Andruw Jones + LaRoche + Elbert + Low level prospect
Posted by: SteveBuechele | July 29, 2008 at 03:05 PM
LMAO!!!
I never knew how many dumb ranger fans there were until I saw this topic.
Kershaw was untouchable for a top 3 3b that was 24 years old in Cabrera, let alone a top 10 SS that is 29(or 30).
I love michael young, but no way he is close to worth kershaw.
Posted by: Ivdown | July 29, 2008 at 03:05 PM
Ivdown,
There are plenty of dumb Dodgers fans too, and plenty of smart Rangers fans. It's just how it works.
And on a side, I don't see either team doing what would be necessary to get this deal done.
Posted by: SteveBuechele | July 29, 2008 at 03:08 PM
If you're the Dodgers and you want to acquire a player the Rangers have no interest in trading, be prepared to be asked for the moon in return. That doesn't make Texas or its fans any less smart; quite the contrary actually. Worst case scenario is they keep Young which is what they wanted to do all along. It's not like they're the ones knocking on LA's door in this scenario.
Posted by: Drago | July 29, 2008 at 03:56 PM
Did anyone even notice who broke this story? Dan Graziano, a beat writer for the New York Mets. Secondly, just because the Dodgers inquire about a player doesn't mean that there are any trade talks actually happening. As a Dodgers fan I wouldn't mind seeing a trade happen, but I hardly put any credibility to this story considering who is reporting it.
Posted by: bleeddodgerblue | July 29, 2008 at 06:29 PM
its not that rangers fans think we can get kershaw, its that the rangers value young so much it would take kershaw in return to get him.
AND THAT WONT EVER HAPPEN. so the point is moot. the dodgers wont be getting young in a trade, and no one besides texas will probably see his services until after his contract is up. and even then the rangers will probably throw lots of money at him to try to persuade him to stay.
Posted by: tmoney352 | July 29, 2008 at 06:55 PM
"If we were offered Kershaw, JD would make the trade faster than you can blink."
JD would make a Kinsler-Kershaw deal faster than you can blink.
"Tried that once. Unfortunately for Fred Claire, that appears to be his legacy (For ya'll east of New Mexico, that was Pedro for Delino)."
Really bad deal, but like the Pierzinski deal, it made sense for the Dodgers at the time.
Posted by: AA | July 29, 2008 at 08:20 PM
as much as i would love for this deal to happen
i dont think it will happen
and to that guy that said that maybe they would trade andruw
the dodgers a paying him WAY to much to even think about trading him
Posted by: baseball4 | July 29, 2008 at 09:00 PM