Jarrod Washburn Rumors: Monday

"Beltre will be a first ballot HOF, by the way, go look at Brooks Robinson's stats"

Holy poop, bro. You realize you can't compare across eras like this, right?

Guru did u just list Wang as a #1? and Washburn as a #3?

"joemorgan#1, way to take me out of context... I said that Beltre is the second best 3B to Alex Rodriguez, true or false?! Oh wait, you only care about offense how 5th grade of you."

False to very false (depending on if you mean MLB or just the AL).

7:00 Lesson: Range Factor
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I said Wang and Washburn are comparable, do you always take sh*t out of context like this, maybe nobody tells you they don't like you, but if you do this regularly, as an FYI, they don't!! I said that Washburn is not as good as Wang, better against the AL East, is that accurate?! Yup. They both have low strikeout totals and rely on defense, accurate?! Yup. Someone by the way referenced Ichiro, well we wouldn't have lost the damn game two nights ago if he would've caught the ball. So yes defense hasn't been great, especially with many players making errors they normally wouldn't this year, so Washburn's suffered, and as a team their record suffered...

The Mariners also have dealt with a ton of injuries... JJ Putz has been on the DL forever and he's never once been injured. Batista has been plagued by backspasms and pulled hamstrings all year, he also never is injured. Beltre has been playing with a torn ligament in his thumb since April or May and has played through a couple pulled hamstrings... Silva's had to leave a couple games early and missed a start due to injuries, it all adds up... Wilkerson, Vidro, Sexson, Johjima, and Ichiro were all well below their career averages and when you have that many guys struggling it doesn't go unnoticed, You can usually stay afloat when these things are spread out through a season, but they got piled high and the losses totaled up quick. Now the Mariners have been maintaining around a .500 winning percentage for over a month. Even with this last 7 game losing streak. I hope you go through the same thing with your team, so you can get some perspective... Also Washburn has had 5-6 ER go against him due to bad calls... On pitch tracker his fastball against the Angels with 1st and 2nd and two outs with a 2 and 2 count was not a borderline pitch it was fully in the bottom outside corner of the strike zone, a completely missed called and about 3-4 inches inside the outside corner given to Santana that day and he missed the punchout. Aybar then took a ball and followed with a bloop single to right and they ended up with 3 more ER. Now sure strike zones fluxuate, but when the pitch is a fastball and the whole ball is over the plate and above the knees, there's no excuse for that... The Mariners went on to lose that game like 5-4. So add a win to Jarrod's total, minus a loss, he should be 6-8 with a 4.27 ERA, if you include the other two runs given up at Safeco Field on a similarly bad call, obvious strike, not close but brutally over the middle of the plate, the outside seam of the ball was two inches inside the pate and it was thigh high and he didn't get the call. So actually that would be 2 more ER, I can't speculate on whether that would've adjusted his win-loss record because I can't remember who they were playing, only that it was at Safeco Field and within a couple weeks of the Anaheim game, probably May... Anyways, his real ERA should be 4.12. That's not digging for support of him, that's fact... The strike zone is clearly defined in the MLB rules book and his pitch clearly crossed the plate in both instances well within the strike zone, it was a missed call both times and led to 5 extra ERs. Anybody that argues that either didn't see the game or they are biased against Washburn, which just makes you an ass. 4.50 is a respectible ERA anyways, not great, but tollerable, especially in the AL. But I'm sick of 11 STRAIGHT GOOD STARTS NOT BEING GOOD ENOUGH FOR ALL YOU HATERS!!!

PS. jjyankfan
"Hughes, Rasner, Melky and Britton for Jake Peavy."

That wont happen and I personally wouldnt do it. I have no idea why the Yanks never call up britton who has good numbers evey year. I think you got to give Hughes a chance I still think he can be a number 2 guy. And i like Melky. I know Peavy is great but call me crazy I think its too much. I'd rather have Tim Lincecum, who I think is goin to have a crazy good career and is much younger.

"I have no idea why the Yanks never call up britton who has good numbers evey year."

A-(Flipping)-Men. The pen has been stellar as of late, Britton only makes it better. Now that Hawkins is gone, this is my only real issue with Girardi. Regardless, he's doing a far better job than Torre.

do you know jeter has won a gold glove but aberu has had trouble with the wall but Wang we are getting 4.7 jarod not 3.2

SONNY - You didn't correct ANYTHING dude. You just don't understand the situation.

What the Yankees will NOT do anymore is trade a Phil Hughes for a guy like Tex who is a RENTAL. That has nothing to do with trading a B GRADE prospect for a rental catcher like Barjas or Olivo to pair with Molina until Jorge gets back next year. They have about 36 guys with the same B ability as Kontos. HUGE difference between what I said and what you are referring to.

So like I said....READ FIRST before insulting or looking for an apology. I know the Yankees prospect list and the way they do business inside and out.

beltre is average miquel cabera mike Lowell and others Wang and jarrod aren't comparable today Wang has a era of .7 less before he got hurt and the yanks had have many injuries and underprfonces and are in it jarrod is comparable to masterson or pelfry

You are bothering because you don't get that there's no deeper comprehension to be had... 1 ER over the course of a game difference shouldn't matter, 3 or less outs shouldn't matter. It removes the fluke factor, like Jose Canseco having the ball bounce off the top of his head and go over the fence, that could've been the difference between a QS and a non QS. How about playing in NY vs. Oakland where the foul territory is different and there's ABSOLUTELY NO ROOM TO CATCH A FOUL BALL!! Doesn't mean that the pitcher didn't make his pitches, just means that the stands prevented him from possibly ending the inning there... ERA should be looked at from a distance, not analyzed by start anyways, you should know that MoneyBall...

Everything equals out within al nl Era is accurate

guru, now compare robinson to his peers and beltre to his peers, how do they stack up?

your comparing two different times in history, and that is moronic.

Okay, first off the difference is .43 not .70 that's again a huge difference, if Washburn wasn't screwed on bad calls his ERA would've and should be 4.12 or .05 difference from Wang. As for injuries, you can't even compare the Yankees because they can just go buy whatever they want to replace a problem... Underperformers like who?! Jeter, well Giambi over performing cancel that out... How about Cano, oh well then you can point to Damon having his best season in years. How about Melky, slight off track, but not that far off his totals so far as a MLB player, Matsui more than made up for that. As for injuries, Matsui and Alex were injured at the same time, but Alex was back before Damon was hurt. Wang and Hughes are the only two major pitching injuries as opposed to Putz, Bedard, Felix Batista, Rhodes and Morrow still recovering from injury at AA to start the season, Lowe coming back after missing a year, O'Flaherty collapsing in games, Morrow had back issues flair up again on the ATL/NYM/SD swing and missed a chance to save the game in Atlanta, where Batista was forced into the uncomfortable role of being a closer, something he hasn't done since Toronto. THIS WHOLE SEASON WAS A SERIES OF UNCOMMONLY FREQUENT COINCIDENCES... The Yankees spend on a different level and for that reason are not privy to the "we dealt with injuries, so our winning percentage was effected excuse" You can't say that crap when you have 60MM more in payroll than the second highest paid team in the majors. Not to meantion that if you went player for player, the Mariners trump the Yankees injury bug issues 2 to 1.

okay and then let's factor in bullpens... A pitcher like Silva gives up 2 ER in 7 IP against Oakland and then Morrow the best relief pitcher in baseball up until that game gives up two homeruns in the 9th inning against Oakland... I'm sorry, but if Silva goes the distance and gives up 1 more ER, it forces the game into extra innings not ends it with a walkoff. Your concept of numbers is the issue, you think that starters ERAs are the only thing that matter...

Let's go about this a different way... Going off quality starts, Johan Santana, Josh Beckett, Chien-Ming Wang, etc. don't even finish in the top 20 starters in baseball, so that's more accurate?! You are a tool... Get over yourself... If you want to mentally jack off then go ahead, but I'm not here for your pleasure... Personally if you have an issue with my opinion, let it be your issue and move the hell on... You are such a pompus prick... I can't believe you just dismiss things that clearly make sense... You'd rather find a way to rationalize Johan Santana not being one of the top 20 pitchers in baseball over accepting that I maybe am on to something, how big of you! I feel a MoneyBall influence is that the sh*t coming out of your head or your ass?! I can't tell because it all appears the same... I mean you do keep that baseball bible next to your porcelin throne!

Only you would take something like that literally... Your fifth grade intellect is neither enriching or ammusing, just annoying... Atleast I don't spend my time on here trying to punch holes in other people's statements, just to be an ass... I mean seriously, who the hell are you to tell me what I can or can't think... Agree, disagree, but for all the name calling I do, it's because you impose your will upon me like I'm required to think like you, it's not a distant cry from mentally trying to rape someone... I mean my issue is that I throw out scenarios, possibilities, and opinions, along with tons of facts, sure I'll make errors occasionally, but on the whole I'm pretty accurate and I do about 10 times the research you do... Looking up facts to prove people wrong is actually very pathetic... Look up a fact for once to support a statement, not an attack of someone else's creative processes... I haven't heard one illuminating thought come out of your mouth, just nay-saying... It's not that I have a problem with you, just assholes... So don't be offended that I'm just repulsed by your personality and your lack of ambition to create a truly original thought...

I'm out of here for a while, so if I don't respond, it wasn't because your point was that fantastic, it's because I'm two seconds away from praying for God to give me the power to reach through my computer and slap the ever lovin' sh*t out of you! So I'm going to go handle some business and hopefully I won't have the urge to slap you in the mouth when I get back...

Hughes is injured Kennedy underperfomed jeter missed a few posada to ugh yah who did wee buy with posada molina and there is no canceling other guys steped up when needed that's how you overcome injuries like jd drew did with the sox when you get injuries and other people stepping up is how you overcome them

Also, Tim, he threatened to find a way to slap me through his computer. Your site would generate a ton of bad publicity if he were to figure out a way to do so.

So the Seattle upper management is PO'ed? They're the ones that shoehorned themselves into that position. Go ahead and trade him to one of your "20" other suitors, Seattle. The Yankees are probably better off with their internal options anyway.

""They're the ones that shoehorned themselves into that position. Go ahead and trade him to one of your "20" other suitors, Seattle. The Yankees are probably better off with their internal options anyway.""

Jarrod Washburn has put together 9 quality starts in a row. He has a 2.44 ERA over those starts. He also has a 2.49 ERA over the last 3 years pitching in Yankee Stadium.

But yea.. Go with one of your better internal options. I hear Ponson and Rasner are monsters on the mound. Gimme a small break.

Fact is Jarrod Washburn is insanely hot right now and hasn't hiccuped over the last 2 months. From the Mariners stand point, how do you justify dumping a guy that has put up an All-Star calibre 1/3 of a season? He supposedly learn a new pitch and has a new grip on his changeup. Whatever he has changed, its worked. The guy doesn't look like the same guy we have been watching up here the last 2 years.

Oh and whats the big deal with letting go of Gardner? The Yankees have more OFers than they know what to do with. Damon, Cabrera, Abreu, Nady, Matsui and Jackson on the way. Where does Gardner fit in this equation? Most people project him as a 4th outfielder with a Scott Podsednik ceiling. Still not seeing how the guy is a "top prospect".

Jarrod isn't worth gardner he can pintch run and srudd and btw that's what I saw saying with when one get injured others have to step up the yanks did it and so did the soxs but the yanks had to do it alot the soxs didn't but HHS ms diidnt so thais a reason why they struggle might as well dump to improve latter

This should be the trade. Seatle gets : shelly Duncan and burnny Yanks get jarrod and bad prospect an a baller

He wouldn't pitch against the Yankees in Yankee Stadium anymore so that's a pretty useless statistic.

Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | July 28, 2008 at 09:33 PM
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How is that a useless stat line? If he pitches well in Yankee Stadium against one of the more potent offenses in baseball... How does that set him up to face the Rays or Blue Jays there?

Yankee Stadium is a tough place to pitch because of so many reasons. Washburn has proven over his career that he can handle it. I think that's a pretty valuable stat to be honest.

The Mariners can A) give Washburn to the Yankees, and rid themselves of his contract, or B) hold onto him, and enjoy his services.

I don't care, either way.

Just funny to see a team have a chance to rid themselves of a contract, and not bite :shrug:

"Fact is Jarrod Washburn is insanely hot right now and hasn't hiccuped over the last 2 months."

Which means he's due to get shelled.

"Jarrod Washburn has put together 9 quality starts in a row. He has a 2.44 ERA over those starts. He also has a 2.49 ERA over the last 3 years pitching in Yankee Stadium."

He's made a whopping six starts career in Yankee Stadium. Small sample size. Two, he doesn't have 9 QS in his last 9 games. Two games he didn't even go six full innings.